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What's going on these days? I am all for guns, but do we really need high-capacity pistols? Or high capacity assault rifles? It seems that the only thing they are good at is not defending yourself from a bunch of bad guys, but killing a bunch of strangers. Is it that hard to reload your trusty 1911? And now this deal in ft. hood. Was it a u.s. citizen? how did he obtain these guns? was he an islamic terrorist? if we allow high-capacity magazines, shouldn't we allow government sponsored health care? if the swiss can do it, why can't we?

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 5 months ago

Me also, what porch said. A lot more interesting to get firewood this way, though a trifle more expensive.

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porch_person 4 years, 5 months ago

"roe D for the win!" --- puddleglum

I agree. Hard to uplevel that one. "Game Over, Man!"

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RoeDapple 4 years, 5 months ago

Well Irish, if Cappy is correct about the gun in my pocket, this is what I would make up the difference with....

He obviously was one of those, "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" grade school types who was very disappointed with his version of "Show and Tell"

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Leslie Swearingen 4 years, 5 months ago

My God, Roe! Is that a gun in your pocket or are you really happy to see me? I was never like this before I started commenting on here. I blame this change on Roe, Ronda, Mel, and Multi. I am going to stay with my trusty bow and arrows. Low tech, but stealthy, very, very stealthy.

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tumbilweed 4 years, 5 months ago

Hey, maybe if we had voted McCain in, there would be more troops shipping out, so maybe more of them would go on deadly rampages. Or maybe not. Who knows.

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compmd 4 years, 5 months ago

Marion says:

"Yep, no statement of fact, per se but you did express willingness to make a bet that you were right."

Willingness indeed, yet still, none was made. So now people have to apologize to you for things they never did? Who dropped a turd in your cheerios this morning? Take a pill, dude. Then go outside and enjoy the day.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

you go girlfriend.

allrighty then. the second amendment link with testosterone.

this is easy. the second amendment was written by men, who had testosterone flowing heavily at the time-despite their deployment of powdered wigs and fancy ruffled shirts. like all good stuff, this amendment was inked by men only.

there you go.

second amendment. written by men (not french) and broiling with testosterone. as it should be.

I have no problem with it.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

"6 November 2009 at midnight

Suggest removal

Permalink compmd (Anonymous) says…

" haven't checked, but I'd be willing to bet flamethrowers fall under the NFA AOW provision."

Later compmd wrote:

"7 November 2009 at 8:16 a.m.

Suggest removal

Permalink compmd (Anonymous) says…

“When you find that you are wrong, you will come back on here and let everyone know that you are wrong, right?”

Wrong about what? I made no statement of fact regarding the NFA AOW provision."

Marion writes:

Yep, no statement of fact, per se but you did express willingness to make a bet that you were right.

You are wrong and have been shown to be so.

Where is your admission that you would have lost the airbet that you wrote you were willing to make?

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

"Exercise your First Amendment rights. That's what really brings about change in this country." Except when Dear Leader asks people to report "fishy" information so the dissenters can be identified.

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uneekness 4 years, 5 months ago

You're right! Enforcement is impossible. While we're at it, enforcement of drug laws are impossible too - off the books! Oh yeah, and traffic laws as well - I'm constantly being passed by speeders who are not being pulled over. Get rid of those too! Any others while we're at it?

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compmd 4 years, 5 months ago

"When you find that you are wrong, you will come back on here and let everyone know that you are wrong, right?"

Wrong about what? I made no statement of fact regarding the NFA AOW provision.

"yeah generally, but one of the most accurate pistols I have is a dwm 1908 (1929) and it has a ''snail” 32-rd 9mm drum magazine."

Nice, puddle! There was much more creativity and better craftsmanship in older firearms I think. Perhaps I should have been more specific and said that the accuracy vs. capacity argument held true generally more for modern firearms.

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bc 4 years, 5 months ago

How do gun control laws keep criminals from getting guns?

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uneekness 4 years, 5 months ago

you guys crack me up. I love how you think the government is shakin in it's boots over you guys, or that somehow you're keeping us all free or something. Wow. Unless you have the modern day equivalent of the French Navy backing you up, you're going to be about as successful as Daniel Shays, David Koresh and the Confederate States of America with your little armed insurrection. (Who was it who put down Shays and his Revolutionary War vet buddies' little rebellion? Oh yeah - revered founding father George Washington.)

If you could just let go of your fevered little super-patriot fantasies, you might notice that Democrats tend to favor gun control because the party's base is mostly urban, where senseless gun violence is a serious problem. Sorry, nobody is scheming to turn the country communist, held at bay only because they haven't found a way to "git yer guns."

You really want to change the government? Exercise your First Amendment rights. That's what really brings about change in this country. Or better yet, vote. Sometimes your guy wins, sometimes the other one does. But regardless, whoever wins gets to do things like overhaul healthcare, raise taxes, and yes, change gun laws. The winner's exercising of this power is LEGITIMATE, unless overturned in the courts on constitutional grounds (see - you go to court when you think the government has overstepped it's authority, not start shooting at them).

Somehow, without a single gun to back it up, the Supreme Court's rulings on these matters are respected and enforced, even when the executive branch is on the losing end. (Abraham Lincoln excepted.) This is how a CIVIL society works. Maybe someday you yahoos will choose to grow up and join it.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

"puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

i was hoping to get the most testosterone-coated blog ever, but I think its falling a little short."

Marion writes:

Well, why don't you start by explaining to us your perceived connection between Second Amendment rights and testosterone?

(This otta be good!)

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Dan Eyler 4 years, 5 months ago

Be prepared to die for your cause.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

Firearms bans?

Yeah, I think the Obmanistas will try it but I do not believe they will be successful.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

musbhiorlo (Anonymous) says…

guns aren't the problem.

I agree. big capacity magazines are great-btw I have several 75-rd ak drums..but mostly 40-rd ak mags that's my thing.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

i was hoping to get the most testosterone-coated blog ever, but I think its falling a little short.

thankyou for answering my question marion. now if you wanna go back to the personal attacks concerning clips and magazines and drums, let me know.

In the meantime, get your MP40 on, and go have some fun.

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MeAndFannieLou 4 years, 5 months ago

Wow - there is a lot of testosterone on this thread!

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vanguard3 4 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, not Ruger, Berreta CX-4.

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vanguard3 4 years, 5 months ago

I recommend taking a look at a Ruger CX-4 Storm .45 ACP or Beretta Xtrema II for lots of fun, cheaper ammo, and excellent home defense. The CX-4 is better for the close-in, since it's a carbine. The Xtrema II only comes in 26- and 28-inch barrels, but with the 28 and a six-shot extension tube, capacity is 12 rds, and throws them all out in 1.73 sec. A street sweeper. Check out the video on-line. The latter is pricey, though.

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Jim Phillips 4 years, 5 months ago

jimmyjms (Anonymous) says…

"Seems to me that the real issue is that events like this give lie to the idea that concealed carry would work."

Uh, statistics indicate it does. But let's not let the facts confuse the issue.

http://home.pacbell.net/rsdotson/statistics/concealedcarrystates.htm

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

"puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

Marion, does it bother you knowing that there are muslims in the army that are more likely to be guided by their religious beliefs than their officers' orders?"

Marion writes:

Yes.

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farfle 4 years, 5 months ago

I'd love to have a 20mm Vulcan like I had in the Army. It shot 50 rounds per second. It was like a Gatling gun.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

japan did invade the united states-and they won. Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Lexus, Infinity, Sony, Mitsubishi (yep, same company that made the Zero fighter plane seen over pearl harbor). anybody know how well escalades are selling in Japan?

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

Meanwhile the Japanese were arming and training their civilians with bamboo spears to fight off the American invasion.

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BrianR 4 years, 5 months ago

"Japan would never invade the United States. We would find a rifle behind every blade of grass." -- Isoroku Yamamoto, Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II on why Japan would never attempt a conventional invasion of the U.S.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

and what's wrong with the public owning some f-14s? it would be great if the city commission closed down the T and bought some f-14's. sporadic flyovers above downtown-not to mention scaring off all the hustlers from Missouri. And we could protect douglas county from Obama.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

thanks Jimmyjms.

it took a long time. But Really, Why Must I Use Capitalization On My Blog? Isn't It Wasting More Natural Resources?

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hornhunter 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom, don't throw those old clips that don't work away. I heard the government will be have a Cash for Clip program soon.

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

If the people don’t have a chance of resisting our military maybe it is too strong or the people need more firepower.

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jimmyjms 4 years, 5 months ago

Firstly, if you're going to write a "blog," use some capitalization.

Secondly, this:

"If the military is allowed to have high-capacity magazines, shouldn't civlians?"

Why? Should civilians have access to tanks, F-14's, and chemical and biological weapons?

"I love how nobody addresses the real issue here."

Seems to me that the real issue is that events like this give lie to the idea that concealed carry would work. This is an idiotic blog.

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RoeDapple 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom, Back i the early '80s a friend and I got a fantastic deal on 1000 20 round mags for AR style rifles. He kept 100, I kept (xxx), and we sold the rest. I sold off all 50 and 100 round mags I had, all Ruger mini's and haven't looked back. Had too many problems with 50's and 100's, and the Rugers were never my favorite. High capacity mags that fail can take the fun out of an afternoon of plinking, and I have enough 20's and 30's to melt down all (x) of my AR's without reloading a mag.

Just went out this morning to recheck the zero on the deer rifle. 308 Win. shot a .315 inch 5 shot, 100 yard group straight into the wind. Took out the Stag Arms Lefty and ran a couple of mags through it too. Spotted Bambi and Faline on the way home....

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

top j sez: If a few others around would have had their weapon, it would not have mattered that he had high-capacity mags, Besides, if he is military, he had access to al of that stuff, and a civilian ban would not have done a thing.

this makes sense to me. and this is a serious question: If the military is allowed to have high-capacity magazines, shouldn't civlians?

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

faking it marion? only a novice would ever refer to a magazine as a clip.

I was using your words.

sounds like it is you who is faking it.
there are more Mp38's in the united stated than anywhere else in the world. hop on you tube and you can watch an old lady firing one in a wheel chair. yeah, they are small-compared to a MG-34. yeah, they are big-compared to a p-38 yeah, i have fired one. No, I don't own one. yeah, the muzzle climbs. no, not as much as a ppsh. yeah, I have fired one of those also. No, I don't own one.

are you still not going to answer my question? typical.

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75x55 4 years, 5 months ago

Sound like he took care of all of his people, whether they liked each other or not, Tom.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

"...maybe you should go back to topeka?" - puddle

Just be glad he doesn't moderate THIS forum.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

"puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

marion, how many rds does the c-clip(sic) hold?

compensator or not, a .45 climbs like the federal defecit.

even a nice lil' MP38 climbs . but-how bout this:does it bother you knowing that there are muslims in the army that are more likely to be guided by their religious beliefs than their officers' orders?"

Marion writes:

puddleglum is completley out of its depth and faking it anda has revealed those facts by using the term "c clip".

No one who has even been in the same room with a Thompson would describe a "C" Drum as a "clip".

LOL!

The "C" Drum:

http://www.tommygunshop.com/cgi-bin/itemdetail.asp?itmid=673

The "L" Drum:

http://www.tommygunshop.com/cgi-bin/itemdetail.asp?itmid=661

"C" = Roman numeral for "100".

"L" = Roman numeral for "50".

Had you been awake in class, you would have instantly recognised this but since you are faking it anyway.............

Further, as there are only very few MP-38s in the USA, it is highly unlikely that puddle has seen one, much less fired one.

A '21/28 can be kept on target by an experienced shooter with little or no muzzle climb.

An MP-38 is hardly "little":

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg33-e.htm

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remember_username 4 years, 5 months ago

Did Tom just go off the deep end at 8:46, or did I miss an earlier post?

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

marion, how many rds does the c-clip hold? compensator or not, a .45 climbs like the federal defecit.

even a nice lil' MP38 climbs . but-how bout this:does it bother you knowing that there are muslims in the army that are more likely to be guided by their religious beliefs than their officers' orders?

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

agnostick, thankyou for your typical name-calling.

you sound like the only extremist around here. maybe you should go back to topeka? thankyou

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

Actually, puddle, the 1921/28 Thompson with its vertical foregrip and fitted with a Cutss Comsensator is accurate well out to 100 yards, quite capable of putting half a dozen rounds on target in just over a second.

When using an "L" drum the thing is ideally configured.

The "C" Drum makes it a bit heavy, especially when the shoulder stock is removed for those up-close-and-personal situations.

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

"I love how nobody addresses the real issue here."


Blame that on the jerkwad that started the thread. There's no real issue to be found in that spew of mindless rambling.

This event is not even 24 hours old... and yet the usual extremist suspects are already jockeying for political positions, trying to leverage this one way or another.

We don't even know who any of the victims are--their names haven't been released, because they're still trying to notify families!

If the author of this post had any sense of decency, they'd delete it and quit playing "Political Necrophilia."

Agnostick agnostick@excite.com

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

so how many bullets did it take to take down hasan? 30-rds?

I love how nobody addresses the real issue here.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

drake-maybe your buddy's gun has a defect. I have never had any trouble what-so ever: except from cheap plastic mags that suck.

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Agnostick 4 years, 5 months ago

Attention all passengers: Please remember that express buses to CrazyBaseLand depart every hour, on the hour.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Here's the part that irks me drake. My now dead bro-in-law sold me that gun about 2002, and had to have known this. He died of pancreatic cancer in 2004 and sneakily left about $400k to his x-wife and daughter. My sister fought it in Alaskan courts and never got a dime back. Well, now his first wife died and the trashy daughter is driving around an Escalade and living high on the hog. I liked him and he was my pheasant hunting buddy for years. I guess he was just p/o'd at my sister and her daughter for some stuff---very long story. He was morpheined to the bejesus at the the end and probably did not know what he was doing. I asked my sister, "Why in the world are you letting Sandy and Shawna (the x-wife and daughter) stay with you like that?" I guess they were at their house for like several weeks prior to his death. My sister is a trusting soul----and a bit naive. I would've never done that----they conspired the whole time right there in the house behind her back and boom! out $400k----cash----and some of it was from the sale of her house in Fairbanks when they sold it circa 2000. The upside is she has his retirement, a paid off house worth about $450k, a condo in Mexico paid off and worth about $150k and other entitlements she has not even dipped into yet. Still, that mini-thirty thing and that other stunt shows what you sometimes never know about a person. He screwed my parents over on some real estate "deals" to apparently. Why am I going on about this and who cares? Got me.

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drake 4 years, 5 months ago

No problem Tom. I hated to get rid of mine too, but a gun that will not feed with a 30 round clip is not any better than a hammer for defense. My buddy that bought it also got about 12 different mags w/ it from all different manufacturers. He was sure that he could file or manipulate at least one to work in the gun. Nope.

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

There should be an acronym for the by now GOHSP. Gun Owners Have….

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BlessedSap 4 years, 5 months ago

You’d rather see an America where the government criminalizes 200 million gun owners. You had better start building prisons.

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Kirk Larson 4 years, 5 months ago

Flamers, heh, heh. Got that right. Most gun "enthusiasts" are compensating for the inadequacies of the "weapon" god gave 'em.

$0.02

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

blue harley- 100 rd mag for your 1911?

sounds cool, but also extremely heavy. do you have to have a tripod for that rig?

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

Marion, does it bother you knowing that there are muslims in the army that are more likely to be guided by their religious beliefs than their officers' orders?

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Are you serious puddle? For a Ruger? You can PM me or my email is campdavid599@earthlink.net. Thanks....and don't worry, I'm not a survivalist nut.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

compmd: "Also, generally, weapons designed for higher capacity are not the most accurate. The uneducated seriously underestimate the difficulty in accurate marksmanship."

yeah generally, but one of the most accurate pistols I have is a dwm 1908 (1929) and it has a ''snail" 32-rd 9mm drum magazine. it is the most accurate pistol I own-except for target .22 high standard stuff.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

Marion, a thompson? I bet you couldn't hit the side of a barn if you were inside the barn with that thing. I figured you would be the type for a collection of chauchats. avez-vous l'amusement avec moi encore?

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

Rex, lighten up.

Drake, I may have missed your advice. I love this rifle and that sucks.

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom, I have a metal 30-rd clip for mini-30 if you want it. cheap. and money back guarantee .

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drake 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom, I've commented to you before about the mini-30. There is no high cap mag for the mini-30 that will work. NONE!! Stop wasting your time trying to find one. Sell the rifle and buy a mini-14 instead. 30 round clips available that actually work.

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Rex Russell 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom, That last post,even as you try to mask it humor,tells me volumes about you. Get help.

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Tom Shewmon 4 years, 5 months ago

I've had a hell of time trying to get a high cap mag for my Ruger mini-thirty. I had one that didn't work---jammed after the 1st or 2nd shot, ordered one from Cabela's on-line---never came----bought one AT Cabela's, didn't even lock into the gun. Am I going to be overwhelmed when Obama's Civilian National Security Force comes around to gather me up for dissing him? I was planning a stand-off. That gun has a Redfield scope that is deadly accurate as far as the eye can see. Forget that whole idea!!wink

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RoeDapple 4 years, 5 months ago

http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believe-are-actually-legal.html

"There are currently no federal laws governing or restricting the ownership of flame-throwing devices. Some states have laws restricting possession of flamethrowers, with violations only considered to be misdemeanors, but 40 states have absolutely no laws whatsoever concerning flamethrowers."

Only 1141 shopping days left until 12-21-2012 !!!

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Flap Doodle 4 years, 5 months ago

Fill in the blank " Don't f_ ed the trolls."

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

Bondmen:

Why are you using the shooter's middle name?

;)

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bondmen 4 years, 5 months ago

It's human motivation one should look to and not an inanimate object if you seriously wish to get to the bottom of the whys and wherefores.

They say madmen become psychiatrists to figure themselves out. Well sometimes they don't and instead they become the inmates in charge of the asylum, and certainly this appears to be the case with Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

Yet the genesis of his insanity becoming reality seems to be Barack Hussein Obama's failure to keep his promise to pull US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. And in the back of Hasan's mind there is his holy Koran which tells true believers to kill the infidel (which is most of US). Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan is apparently a well schooled true believer.

Sadly there were signs aplenty of his approaching crackup. Words he spoke in anger and disgust and comments made on social internet sites. When will America wake up to the very real threat from the enemy within its own military ranks? How many more such incidents will it take?

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

"compmd (Anonymous) says…

"I haven't checked, but I'd be willing to bet flamethrowers fall under the NFA AOW provision."

Marion writes:

Well, call ATF this morning and ask.

You are wrong.

When you find that you are wrong, you will come back on here and let everyone know that you are wrong, right?

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TopJayhawk 4 years, 5 months ago

If a few others around would have had their weapon, it would not have mattered that he had high-capacity mags, Besides, if he is military, he had access to al of that stuff, and a civilian ban would not have done a thing.

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prolifersforwar 4 years, 5 months ago

We are going to need, like, sooooo much ammo during the end of days.

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compmd 4 years, 5 months ago

Surprise! Military officers have access to guns!

"we might be the only first-rate country in the world that allows assault weapons and high-capacity pistols-but at least we have a government that doesn't supply us a shred of health care."

This doesn't make any sense. People pay (usually a lot) for their guns, the government doesn't give them away.

I pay 99c for each real HK 20rd mag for my HK91. Show me a low cap pistol mag that cheap.

Also, generally, weapons designed for higher capacity are not the most accurate. The uneducated seriously underestimate the difficulty in accurate marksmanship.

I haven't checked, but I'd be willing to bet flamethrowers fall under the NFA AOW provision.

Sorry, no ban is going to happen. People today can walk into a gun shop and buy AK47s, AR15s, and even .50BMG rifles. Heck, I'm a regular guy and I have an HK91, which is a huge high power battle rifle. Good luck enforcing a ban on people who have stuff like that. As the great Spartans once said when told to lay down their weapons, "come and get them."

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

The BBC reports:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8345881.stm

"The move comes 10 days before President Barack Obama is due to make his first visit to China since taking office.

He will be in China from 15-18 November."

Marion writes:

Is there any chance at all that they will keep him?

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1029 4 years, 5 months ago

Well, one day when the taxman comes knocking at your door to rob you of your hard earned wages you will understand why we need high-capacity pistols and high-capacity assault rifles. It's coming soon with the Obama socialism and the health care. And if anyone got close enough to you for you to be able to tell that they were good or bad they probably would have already killed you anyway so you may as well kill them first while they're still a stranger to you. It only makes sense.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8345713.stm

"Maj Hasan, aged 39, was a military psychiatrist and was reportedly due to be sent on a mission to Iraq.

His cousin said Maj Hasan - a US-born Muslim - had been resisting such a deployment."

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

The wounded suspect's name is Nidal Malik Hasan.

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BigPrune 4 years, 5 months ago

...and he is a Psychiatrist.

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blue73harley 4 years, 5 months ago

Just watching the news...so far they are reporting that he had one semi-auto pistol and one revolver....and a bad attitude about serving in an armed conflict. His cousin refers to him as a "good American". Right. Praise be to Allah.

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75x55 4 years, 5 months ago

A military officer with a couple of pistols - how would "bans" have affected any outcome? Stupid knee-jerk emotionalism.

Relinquishing your rights and liberties never ensures your security, only your servitude.

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, I got.................a few 50 rounders for my Thompson Guns....................................

..well and a few "C" drums left over from WWII............

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blue73harley 4 years, 5 months ago

I have a 50 round drum for my 1911. I have no trouble reloading.

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tbaker 4 years, 5 months ago

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Thomas Jefferson

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

Marion writes:

"puddleglum (Anonymous)"

Are you a pothole or what?

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Marion Lynn 4 years, 5 months ago

"puddleglum (Anonymous) says…

and why are flame-throwers illegal?"

Marion writes:

Oh, man, I now have the opportunity to have more fun with you, puddleglum, than can be imagined.

Flamethrowers are "NOT" illegal!

LOL!

Flamethrowers are "NOT" firearms and therfore do not fall within the pervue of firearms laws.

You so silly; you velly, velly silly, long time!

Generally, flamethrowers are sort-kinda-perfectly-legal.

Illegalise flamethrowers and you illegalise those weed flamers that you can buy at the local builders material supply houses!

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puddleglum 4 years, 5 months ago

and why are flame-throwers illegal?

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