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Racism, Open conversation or sickening argument rant.


I recently spouted off about racism. I said "probably doesn't know he is a racist, he 'really" feels that way. We need to understand that legislation alone doesn't eradicate racism. Legislation is a crucial step but the more important step is open dialogue and discussion of the issues and roots. We have used legislation as an excuse not to face, not to talk about the ugly mental illness that racism is in this country. Racism is a mental disease, I don't mean it can't be helped but it is aberrant thinking. . The therapy is better understanding and open discussion, also action. We need to stand up against it and and recognize it." I really believe this, that open discussion and dialogue will fight racism. I feel we have to stand up to the dialogue. I have learned this to my advantage. We were all raised with cultural truths that may not be as true as we feel. I have had my mind changed in surprising ways by listening. Things I was sure of, when seen from another perspective were different than I thought. When I spouted off about how we need to talk more. I failed to realize was one obstacle is I hate listening to racists. I don't like to spend half the time disabusing them of the imaginary stands assigned to me. The seemingly endless, weary, accusations, justifications, emptying their preconceived basket about what I think and see, getting to the point where it isn't what they imagine what I would say, or I imagine what they would say. Getting to where I show I don't think, if someone takes one side or the other of an issue such as affirmative action , one is a racist or is not a racist. It is a side winding dialogue that is exhausting. I feel people should be looked at as individuals. When one paints another person with a series of stereotype attributes based on what color they are, to me it just is a false picture. The next step is often some sort of , but people of color have prejudice. Yup, all kinds of people are prejudiced, but prejudice and racism is not the same, but they are cousins. So first we start with definitions, then I have to be strong, to shut up and listen. to even be stronger and identify if it is not a conversation, either from me or from the other person, but two people just ranting off the other. not engaged. It is a lesson in humility, in perspective, and in courage. So my first definition is not what is racism but what is conversation.


Liberty275 7 years, 4 months ago

"Racism is a mental disease"

LOL. That's pretty dumb.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

So you think racism is ok, it makes sense to you?

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

Racism is considered a mental disorder in the sense that individuals' perceptions are distorted: denial of reality, delusions of grandeur, projections of blame, and phobic reactions to individual and group differences.

So disorder would of been more appropriate than disease.

Liberty275 7 years, 4 months ago

Interesting. I personally think Asians are superior to European Caucasians because they are neater, more loyal and more respectful of one-another. That makes me, of some european (irish, french, german - whatever), racist because I feel one race (but not mine) is superior.

Now granted the perception may be distorted because I've not lived among Asians, but I see no denial of reality nor do I harbor delusions of grandeur (regarding race), I don't blame Asians for being superior and I'm certainly not afraid of them (nice people I think).

I think your idea that racism is a disorder is just as dumb as you labeling it a disease. Racism is an opinion. Vilifying opinions you don't like by calling the opinion a symptom of an illness is a tactic I would expect from the phelps clan talking about homosexuals, but I'm not surprised to see the same tactic used by the hypocrites on the left.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

while I see you are adept at name calling, I don't see the same adeptness at thinking. You are trying to say an opinion about one race or another is the same as racism. I disagree.

Fossick 7 years, 4 months ago

"I failed to realize was one obstacle is I hate listening to racists."

Where does one find these racists who speak such racist things out loud in public? All seriousness aside, racism is a 'problem' that is 98% solved, and it's the hard 98%, the kind that was embedded in laws and traditions and driven by fear and anger. It was the kind where a mob of whites could lynch a black man on Main Street in the middle of the day, and no witnesses could ever be found, or where the Federal government used black men as guinea pigs their entire adult lives and watched them rot inside out from syphilis in the name of science.

The racist (or racialist) residue that remains is the embarrassed racism of the whispered joke or the lost resume. It has absolutely no standing in law nor in public opinion. If a politician today said on the stump what half the politicians of three generations ago, he could even not be elected to clean up elephant crap after a parade. Where there are hate crimes, they are prosecuted with vigor and thoroughness unimaginable to prior generations.

It's a battle that's won. Time to stop fretting over it.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

Wow, you can't get more sophisticated than plain lying denial. You say Racism doesn't exist, if it does exist it is mildly embarrassing and nothing more. Jesus if you can't make the effort to be serious, then why bother to type. Is this the new language, Where you just lie and ignore the issues you prefer not to be addressed.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

It is good to discuss racism, my perception of racism is different. I think racism and hate crimes are on the rise. I don't see racism as disappeared.. I think the laws are great cultural tools but I don't perceive crimes as prosecuted with vigor and thoroughness. I do see improvement from prior generations. I agree that has changed in my lifetime. I don't dismiss the lost resumes, the remarks, jokes, name calling, slurs, employment and education discrepancy as not important,. those everyday events have standing in public opinion, but more importantly they have standing in the direct effect on quality of life.

Fossick 7 years, 4 months ago

"I think racism and hate crimes are on the rise... I do see improvement from prior generations."

I really don't see how it can be both. But I think the major problem you will have in any discussion of racism is in finding someone, anyone, who will attempt to defend it. As I said, the remaining racism is both personal and embarrassed. It might be felt, but it certainly no attempt is made to justify it except in a few weird corners of the internet. So we can have a discussion, I suppose, about what constitutes racism, or perhaps the extent to which residual racism, as opposed to harmful culture, is responsible for the current state of Black America. But I suspect that Frederick Douglass or W.E.B. Du Bois or even Gordon Parks, could they listen in on it from their time, would truly have no idea what we were talking about. If it is on the rise, it is rising from a level undreamed of by those who knew it in all its virulent fullness.

Saying, "We need to stand up against it" is a half century too late, for you will be standing agasint an army of none. One might as well grow a Victory Garden to help defeat the Kaiser. Nine-tenths of racism today is simply imputed to political opponents by people who use the word, like they use fascist or brownshirt, to indicate disapproval. The rest will die of old age with those who grew up believing that it was as normal and natural as we believe the opposite to be.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

I wish you were right. racism is dead and it it s a fight won, would be great. i don't say this country hasn't seen worse times. I do say that it is cyclical and on the rise. How comfortable to dismiss the clouds and call them blue sky but that doesn't jibe with what is happening. My anecdotal impressions, such as when a government position was being discussed one commenter went off about how the person would not be able to rely on affirmative action to gain another position. There had been no mention of affirmative action , it was layered into the discussion as a racially charged innuendo. If we pretend racism no longer matters because lynch mobs aren't common we are opening the road. Lynch mobs are an extreme but court systems that fail in color discrimination leave persons as dead or imprisoned.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

defend, dismiss, deny

Listen to the old men, once brave enough to win worlds, Now afraid to look the future the present, yesterday, straight in the face.

Asleep, chanting drunk, "57 Chevy is the best thing that ever happened to America." They won't look their grandsons in the face.

Chanting nonsense, birthers denying racism ,pollution, solutions. Science, reason, cataracts all plot. Their team has lost, their stock has dipped, Selling soldiers by the barrel on the NY pit.

pace 7 years, 4 months ago

If one is interested I suggest visiting the NAACP site, to at least view some of the issues. http://www.naacp.org/content/main/

Another site for information is http://www.standagainstracism.org/

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