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Evolving dialogue

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God: Charles?Charles: What?God: Thank you Charles.Charles: What?God: Thank you.Charles: For what?God: For the book.Charles: What book?God: "The origin of the species."Charles: Oh that one. Actually the title is "On The origin of the species." It initially had a longer title but we shortened it. Thanks. I think that there is an idea there but I don't think I did very well explaining it. I worked on the idea for some time but I didn't understand enough myself. I needed more data.God: You did better than I did. Charles: What do you mean?God: Well I came up with that simple idea of the world being created in 7 days. Well 6 actually. I put in a rest day on the 7th. I had to keep it simple. Man's mental abilities were pretty primitive in those days. I couldn't make it too complicated. Actually I made up different stories for different groups or visa-versa but that is the one that seemed to stick.Charles: Wait! Who am I talking to?God: God.Charles: No way. There is no God. I must be dreaming.God: Whatever.Charles: If you are God, why did you make so many mistakes?God: What mistakes are you talking about?Charles: There are lots of them How about the appendix or prostate? That one is really causing problems for me these days.God: Sorry about your prostate. I never claimed to get it right all of the time. Maybe all powerful, but not perfect. You do need more data.Charles: So your claim is that you set things going but then it was up to chance?God: Well, not totally chance. There are some rules. Your metaphor doesn't rely solely on chance does it?Charles: Chance plays a part but survival is not based on chance alone.God: Exactly. Charles: If you like my ideas, what about all of those people saying that your 7 day thing should be taught instead of my ideas.God: I like your metaphor but it is a bit simplistic as well. It is better than my story and as you collect more data other ways of helping people understand what the world is all about will evolve. Be patient with the folks that hold on to old ways of understanding. Not everyone gets it right away. But they do need to leave me out of science classes. I have my own realm.Charles: So how did you do it? Assuming that you did it. God: I'll ignore the second sentence. I set up a few rules. Charles: What rules?God: If I told you, all of the fun would be gone.Charles: So how about a hint? Is quantum physics on the right track?God: You deny that I exist but you want me to reveal my secrets? Quantum physics is an interesting metaphor. Charles: The jury is still out on you. I studied you for a long time but when I went out in the real world you just didn't make sense. What do you mean that quantum physics is an interesting metaphor?God: Maybe you needed more data. I like quantum physics. It has all of those far out ideas. All of those dimensions, uncertainty and things exploring all states at the same time. Didn't I do a good job with the brain? Charles: The brain is amazing. It is capable of making up some really weird ideas. After all it created you.God: Watch it.

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tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 4 months ago

Jonas: "If he came back... of course, he isn't coming back, because he's dead...."Rumor has it that Alanis can raise the dead... if only for chit-chat.

acoupstick 6 years, 4 months ago

"When asked about his religious views, he wrote that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally 'an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind.'" -wikipedia

Paul Decelles 6 years, 4 months ago

What a hoot. But Dave is right; expect our resident anti-evolutionists to bovulate very gaseously about your little skit.

David Lignell 6 years, 4 months ago

Holy Cow, John! Or should I express it as Great Mutating Bovine?! You're taking a risk with this one, eh? Somehow, though, I think you know that already. Enjoyed the skit, especially the humor behind it, but I hope you've evolved a thick skin against the comments that will follow. I know, I know, I'm singing to the choir. (Old Church expression there.)Still, some folks might think you're poking fun at their God, and they'll let you know about it. Good thing I'm one of those crazy preacher's kids who grew up learning about a loving God who uses humor as a way to celebrate life.

bondmen 6 years, 4 months ago

Charlie Darwin is not just a dead racist but a believer in God now that he's on the other side. I'll bet you evo-devos would not believe him were he to come back and tell you first hand what's on the other side - and who he met!Say what ever you want now but to me it's quite clear that God always has the last word. And since He spoke the creation into existence, we know His word is very powerful and full of meaning.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 4 months ago

Whoa, FMT... sounds like an exorcism might be in order.

FMT6488 6 years, 4 months ago

Here's a simple thought for those with simple minds: My god is MINE! not yours, not Tom's, Bondmen's, Jonas's - I refuse any and ALL who say their God is better! Yell, scream, shout, etc. all you want - I will ignore you. Try to physically hold me down to force your version of God (and/ or righteousness) on me and I will do my best to stop you Hopefully without harming you), but hurt/ harm me in any way and I will do my best to aid you in meeting your maker. This rant brought to you by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

RJ 6 years, 4 months ago

does evolution make mistakes, or is it perfect?

jonas_opines 6 years, 4 months ago

"does evolution make mistakes, or is it perfect?"The appendix. "I'll bet you evo-devos would not believe him were he to come back and tell you first hand what's on the other side - and who he met!"I could say the same of you. If he came back and said there was nothing there (of course, he isn't coming back, because he's dead) you would say he was a lying deceitful leftist.

tangential_reasoners_anonymous 6 years, 4 months ago

I just have a hard time imagining Alanis Morissette playing the C...anadian role.

jonas_opines 6 years, 4 months ago

FTW? I thought this would go farther than that.

jonas_opines 6 years, 4 months ago

bondmen (Anonymous) says: "jonas_opines is hopeful if not self convinced there is no God, no resurrection of the dead and no final judgment."Hopeful? No, no, I really just don't care. If it turns out that I'm wrong I'll accept the consequences, but I couldn't follow a god like you describe even if he was proven to exist. My parents created me too, and if they had a system in place for me that I thought unfair, irrellevent or repugnant, I wouldn't follow them either. Fortunately, I don't find their way of life any of those things."jonas_opines believes there is no spiritual afterlife - no eternal reality!"Not true, I just don't believe in your interpretation of what it is."Put your faith in jonas_opines or in God."Well, you can actually talk to me, but I don't want your faith. I'd prefer you evaluate my ideas, and that of any god, based on their merit and how well they work in practical, applied reality. I wouldn't ask any people to view my views as authoratatively True any more than I think they should do the same for a gods. I understand quite well that I don't have all the answers.Unlike some. . .

bondmen 6 years, 4 months ago

jonas_opines is hopeful if not self convinced there is no God, no resurrection of the dead and no final judgment.jonas_opines believes there is no spiritual afterlife - no eternal reality! Put your faith in jonas_opines or in God.

RJ 6 years, 4 months ago

didn't Darwin re-cant his theory of evolution and come back to faith?

RJ 6 years, 4 months ago

Sometimes I try to correct my wife's mistakes, then I find out that I didn't understand what she was saying. Then she tells me, tries to explain it, and I still don't get it so I just smile, nod and then tell all of my friends how crazy she is.Maybe some of you know what I'm talking about?

David Lignell 6 years, 4 months ago

Hey, John, am I good at making predictions or what? Agree with Tange:an exorcism may be in order. In fact, exorcisms are now on special: two for the price of one. And if you hurry, you'll get a set of Ginsu knives for free. But that's not all, folks. Call within the next 1O minutes, and you'll get a second set absolutely free!

kansas778 6 years, 4 months ago

bondmen (Anonymous) says: Put your faith in jonas_opines or in God.*******Which god? There are hundreds, you need to be more specific.

FMT6488 6 years, 4 months ago

Thanks, tangential_reasoners_anonymous! Only posted that to see what comments would be made - and I got myself a real laugh reading yours. Eyes watering, grin big enough it hurts, etc.

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