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Over the past couple of days the wife and I noted a lone Canada goose along the road through the southern swamp. It patrolled one side over several days as we passed. We pondered if it had lost its mate and how long it might grieve that loss? Does anybody know much about these critters?

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George Lippencott 3 years, 4 months ago

GUYS AND GALS. ACTUALLY GOT MY PICTURE FROM ONE OF THE REFERENCES. NONE EXPAND ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY LOSE A MATE. I JUST WONDERED HOW LONG THE BIRD WILL STAND GUARD BY6 THE ROAD.

Katara 3 years, 4 months ago

If you actually read the websites, they do provide that information. You have to go past the first sentence though.

The goose will find a new mate in the next breeding season. I will leave it up to you to discover when geese breeding season occurs.

You could also hook your lonely goose by the southern swamp up with the lone goose that hangs out in the field in front of Free State High school.

George Lippencott 3 years, 4 months ago

Hi Katara

Thank you. I of course had read that they will seek another mate. I missed the part about the next breeding season but that can easily be inferred.

My question remains how long will it grieve - that is different. My example is marching up and down the side of the road. Of course I am inferring it is missing its mate - it could be a juvenile in other pursuits.

I do note that as of this morning it is gone. Perhaps it met the single goose that was in the wetlands on the other side of the road? Maybe they do not “grieve” very long at all??? Still noteworthy it was there for at least three days.

Katara 3 years, 4 months ago

Maybe it was guarding its nest. Perhaps it had been hit by a car & had a concussion and was disoriented. Maybe it is an anti-social goose and wants to be by itself. Maybe it annoyed the other geese by asking questions that it could easily find the answer if it wasn't too lazy to do the work.

Or maybe you assume that geese grieve in the fashion that humans grieve and ignore the fact that there is a specific time for breeding in the goose world and geese don't seek mates outside of that specific time frame.

Katara 3 years, 3 months ago

People who have a history of complaining that everyone else is lazy or entitled and then expect everyone else to just hand them the answers to the questions when they ask them, in particular, when the answers are easily accessible.

I'd really classify it more as a strong pet peeve.

Sheryl Wiggins 3 years, 3 months ago

my apologies Katara. I thought it was an interesting question and didn't understand why you were responding as you were. Thanks for your explanation, I get it now.

George Lippencott 3 years, 4 months ago

But they do apparently pair for life.

Apparently our ideological issues flow over into geese. I ask how long they grieve. You respond with mating and breeding.

You could have challenged the very notion that geese grieve. Instead you want to argue about reading something that is not in the article you referenced. Do they grieve as we understand it? If they do (or whatever they do) how long will they wait for their mate to return before moving on???

RTFQ!!!!! You would think that someone who apparently is a teacher would do better???

Katara 3 years, 4 months ago

Sigh.

I didn't reference an article. I linked to a Google search about Canadian geese so you could look the answer up for yourself. You can pick any of the articles that you like to discover the answer.

I don't know why you think I am a teacher but all my best teachers gave me the tools to discover the answers for myself. It is a great teaching method and it discourages the laziness that you display.

By the way, Mr. Dirty Mouth, I gave you my answer as to how long a goose will grieve. It is until the next breeding season when they find a new mate. I apologize for believing you had enough gray matter to understand that from my previous posts. I'll make sure I'll use the simplest explanation and the smallest words so you can understand next time.

George Lippencott 3 years, 4 months ago

Thank you. I did not interpret the articles to say the goose grieves to the next breeding season only that it may wait until the next breeding season to choose a new mate. I can see how you could view it that way. I have no better answer.

bad_dog 3 years, 3 months ago

I suggest you submit your question to the "Sound Off" section.

Sounds like the goose may be in the "Denial" phase of grieving. Watch out when the "Anger" phase arrives.

Paul Decelles 3 years, 4 months ago

George,

I have not seen any good data about your question. Most of the articles I have seen simply cite Konrad Lorenz's book on aggression that discusses grieving behavior in his geese.

Paul

George Lippencott 3 years, 4 months ago

Thank you. From the literature there is apparently no fixed time for grieving.

"Widowed geese have been observed circling around and around, crying in heartrending sorrowful tones when their partners die or are murdered by hunters. The remaining goose may mourn for a period of time and then mate again. Or they may mourn for the rest of their lives and never seek another mate. Just as with people, it varies with individual geese. "

The goose I referenced was gone after three days. Now there is a pair where the single goose was located.

headdoctor 3 years, 3 months ago

I am going to have to mark this on the calendar. Moderate actually did a blog on something besides tax and entitlement complaints or about city codes. I was expecting any moment to see that the grieving goose had been turned into a depressed goose because of some perceived inequity about taxes or entitlements for geese and how it directly compared Moderate's inequity in taxes or entitlement benefits. It was even more refreshing to know that the poor goose was not expected to remove snow from its nesting area since it only had a bill instead of hands to work a shovel or snow blower.

Sheryl Wiggins 3 years, 3 months ago

and yet you took the time to read the blog and make a snide comment.....

headdoctor 3 years, 3 months ago

And you took the time to read the comment and reply.

Sheryl Wiggins 3 years, 3 months ago

yes, yes I did and now I can't stop reading and replying ;-)

George Lippencott 3 years, 3 months ago

Katara (anonymous) replies…

People who have a history of complaining that everyone else is lazy or entitled and then expect everyone else to just hand them the answers to the questions when they ask them, in particular, when the answers are easily accessible.

I'd really classify it more as a strong pet peeve.

Moderate Responds

I love you too. I would make exactly the same observations about you but it is unlikely you would comprehend them. I was tiring of all the ideological certainty on here and was going to quit but you have reminded me as to why I am here.

Katara 3 years, 3 months ago

You know, in the time that you took to write this blog & find the picture to put up, you could have simply contacted KU and gotten into touch with someone who studies migratory birds' behavior. Or you could have called KS Fish & Game or any one of the many resources that we have available that are simply in the phone book.

And because I would done so instead of writing a blog so others could spoonfeed me an answer is why you could not make exactly the same observations about me.

(And actually I have contacted the KU Entomology Dept. in regards to an unusual beetle that we found. They were pleased to talk with us and compare our beetle to their collection so we could discover what it was. It was a good educational experience.)

camper 3 years, 3 months ago

Moderate, is this another experiment? I remember the last one, and you pulled me in. You fooled me big time.

My only question is about the picture. How could this be a Canada Goose if you saw it in Lawrence. This seems very odd to me. Hope that bird has a frequent flier card.

Katara 3 years, 3 months ago

We need to track down that bird and have it show its long form birth certificate to make sure. It might vote in one of our elections.

headdoctor 3 years, 3 months ago

It is quite simple, camper. Canadian geese and their sub species are reasonably intelligent migratory birds. This one could be retired, a lazy liberal, or a spoiled brat baby boomer goose that doesn't want to put out all that energy flying back and forth so decided to claim duel citizenship. It is hanging around to suck up all our habitat resources without paying its fair share.

George Lippencott 3 years, 3 months ago

Hello camper,

I thought about it. Where were all the wetland lovers? But I really was interested in the goose. Have run into them all over. Their size and ability to co-exist with us intrigues me. My question was real.

Naively I hoped that somebody on this space would have a non political answer. I have used KU resources as well as county and state resources on such pursuits in the past (before I started the blog). They have been most helpful as Katara points out. It was just my choice to use the blog. Really did not expect such a critique.

The picture is not of the bird in question. It in fact it came from one of the references that Katara and others ultimately provided. I had already used the web to try to find my answer and had not found an answer to the specific question I posed. I keep trying to master the ability to put pictures on here. I blew this one as it is too small.

One might note that the answer Katara provided after chiding me for not finding it is not the same as I found provided by a recognized expert as provided by Paul. Persistence sometimes pays off in geese as well as politics.

camper 3 years, 3 months ago

Hi moderate. It is all good. Better to talk about geese than politics. I'm just making sure I don't walk into another trap ):

George Lippencott 3 years, 3 months ago

Katara (anonymous) replies…

We need to track down that bird and have it show its long form birth certificate to make sure. It might vote in one of our elections.

Moderate Responds

Isn't it eligible for motor voter registration (fly in)

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