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How to Stop a Massacre

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Here's the Libertarian solution for stopping massacres. It costs the taxpayers no money, works everywhere, deters violent crime, is employed in as little as five seconds, is easy to learn, requires no police, and most importantly, protects innocent lives.

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Leslie Swearingen 1 year, 8 months ago

Okay, so that makes for a really cute video. I am more worried about someone with a gun being scared and shooting at whatever moves without making sure what they are shooting out. People do stupid things out of fear.

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gudpoynt 1 year, 8 months ago

leave it to idiots.

psycho goes on a rampage with multiple illegal weapons, kills a dozen people and injures 5 dozen more.

and the idiots would have you believe it's because of... wait for it.... too much gun control.

riddle me this idiots, since we're all about living in hypothetical worlds today....

how many mass murders by psychotics have been prevented because the psychos couldn't get their hands on a butt load of highly lethal weapons?

if you're going to keep your heads lodged way up inside your hypothetic-holes, why not explore the space a little?

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notaubermime 1 year, 8 months ago

I have to wonder what the real point of this blog is. The action in the video would not be illegal in Colorado. You can own a gun, get a permit for concealed carry, and it is legal to shoot and kill someone in order to defend yourself or others.

I would say that anyone who wanted to take such an action could have. It isn't like people in Colorado would think "it couldn't happen here". It was only about 5 years ago that someone went on a shooting spree at two Colorado churches and I shouldn't even have to bring up Columbine. Clearly, people are aware of such a threat, have the means to get a gun and a concealed carry permit, and have the legal justification to defend themselves with deadly force with said gun.

If this isn't a legal argument, then perhaps you should weigh the pros of having a gun (loss of life from mass shooting events) versus the cons of having a gun (number of children who shoot themselves with their parents guns each year).

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beatrice 1 year, 8 months ago

It isn't the gun itself that is a problem, it is the person holding the gun. Got it. In this instance, we are talking about a madman who plotted mass destruction. That is where the problem comes in.

For another example, cars by themselves are not dangerous, but when a drunk gets behind the wheel the situation changes. So does this mean that since the car isn't the problem we shouldn't take steps to prevent drunks from getting behind the wheel? I don't think so. Taking steps to prevent drunk driving has saved lives, and we have done this without banning cars.

Regarding guns, we should take greater and more practical steps to help prevent madmen from getting their hands on them. (note I wrote "madmen," not just citizens in general) What steps? I have suggestions, but I don't know for sure, yet we as a society should look at everything.

It is clear that band-aid laws against guns -- not allowing to carry in a restaurant in this town, but okay in that one, for example -- don't work. Also, more C&C holders out there don't add to Wild West shootouts in the streets, so that isn't the problem either. But we need real solutions and we should be able to talk about what those solutions could be with respect for one another. Also, just talking about what can we do does not mean the banning of all guns. The Supreme Court has already ruled on that one. Banning is out. So is allowing all people to have unlimited arsenals in all situations. A reasonable and practical place somewhere between seems to be in order -- when it is time to have that conversation.

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Pork_Ribs 1 year, 8 months ago

Saying that guns are the problem is exactly like saying that a spoon is an obese person's problem.

If you think guns are the problem, take this simple test to see if you are correct:
1. Find a gun. (if you don't have access we can provide one for you free of charge)
2. Load it.
3. Cock it.
4. Release the safety.
5. Lay it on it's side on your kitchen table.
6. Take 3 steps backwards so that it is alone and untouched.
7. Kneel so you can look straight down the barrel.
8. Wait.

If you think guns are the problem...... The only way you can prove, with certainty, that you are not a completely ignorant fool........................is when you get shot.
Good luck with that.

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beatrice 1 year, 8 months ago

tbaker: "Personally I think the movie had more to do with this tragedy than anything else."

Okay, I get to be the first to say it -- Movies don't kill people ... people heavily armed at the movies kill people.

If the movie is at fault, is it this movie alone or all movies in general. Or is it specifically violent movies? Of the millions and millions of people around the world who have watched violent films, why is this the first time this has happened? Might I add that the murderer planned the attack and carried it out without even seeing the movie. So now, speculation on what might be in a movie must be at fault.

Abe Lincoln was shot at a theater -- was the play to blame?

I think you would be better off to blame hair dyes. After all, we couldn't possibly consider the easy access to an arsenal and military strength firearms with 100 round clips.

No, must be the hair dye.

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Agnostick 1 year, 8 months ago

tbaker 7 hours, 27 minutes ago

"FINALLY! After nearfly three years someone figured it out!"


What makes you think it took people that long to figure it out? I'm aware of Quantrill--as I'm sure a lot of other LJWorld.com users are. I never mentioned it because it's a shtick I've seen countless times before. Pick any forum or message board, read three or four pages, and you'll inevitably run across a "Quantrill" or a "Jim Bowie" or a "Thomas Paine" or "John Locke" or "Cato The Elder"… ad nauseum. These folks form a type of pathetic internet identity crisis: users who take up the figure/image of some historical figure from centuries past, as if it's meant to give off some sort of "credibility."

I take particular fun out of toying with these misguided folks and their musty old air of "morals" and "ethics." Good times, good times...

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RoeDapple 1 year, 8 months ago

Okay, I've waited all day for someone to say it. Am I the only one to notice gramps is the only one firing a weapon, and continues to fire even after it is obvious these clowns only want the hell out of Dodge? Even firing his last shot after they are outside and presumably running for their lives? I have no sympathy for them but doesn't it quit being self defense under these circumstances? I can only wonder if there is more going on here than the video shows . . .

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tbaker 1 year, 8 months ago

I wonder...will there be a call to action to ban hyper-violent movies the pyscho mass murders tend to be inspired by, or will we hear more whining about gun control which of course only “controls” the law-abiding people and has zero impact on the homicidal maniacs. Hummmm….

Lets see…Hollywood donates a lot of money to Democrats who are currently running things, so the movies are safe. The majority of the US population supports the 2nd amendment and the NRA is a strong voice in congress on both sides of the isle…and it’s an election year….so the politicians will trowel-out their particular flavor of time-tested dogma along partisan lines, but not a one of them will touch a radioactive loser issue like this.

Show of hands – had you been there, would you have objected to someone in the audience standing up and shooting back at this nut job? I wonder how the 12 dead, 59 wounded would have answered this question.

The video’s merits are self-evident. One armed citizen in that theater could have made a huge difference. Great post Liberty. Thanks. (I was going to say you hit a bullseye)

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Agnostick 1 year, 8 months ago

Ever notice how extremist right-wing crackpots love to bash Hollywood, and the people that work there... except when certain movies and TV shows salve their conscience with one blood-soaked revenge fantasy or another?

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 8 months ago

Let's not pretend that making the theater a firearms-free zone accomplished anything other than giving the shooter a room full of defenseless targets.

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beatrice 1 year, 8 months ago

To the video -- this wasn't a massacre halted, but a robbery prevented. This is being shown now because of what happened in Colorado, but the two situations are not similar.

That said, good for the brave, armed citizen. It appears the gentleman who took matters into his own hands had training, was prepared to go on the offensive (as the Navy Seal in vertigo's post mentions), and that the obviously young criminals were not prepared for that type of response. Good for the gentleman and everyone else involved. He acted quickly and it all worked out. It was also not a crowded environment -- say, like a theater -- and it was well lighted.

Even then, it could have turned very bad very quickly. Watch it again. With the criminals separated, as they were, the one not being shot at could easily have turned and started blasting with what appears to be a shotgun. Obviously glad that didn't happen, but it could have. Just saying ...

To C&C holders and vertigo's posts, I have to agree that training is the key. I am all in favor of allowing people who are properly trained to carry. Perhaps because it is in the 2nd Amendment, I also feel there should be uniform, national laws across all states regarding where and when people can carry.

I also like reading about the flashlight -- something I've long carried with me.

However, let's not pretend that more shooters in the movie theater would automatically have prevented the massacre in Colorado. They could have done more harm than good. Again, just saying.

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 8 months ago

continued...

Concealed Carry If you’re lucky enough to live in a state like Texas that not only allows concealed carry, but supports the use of deadly force, then train to use it.

Think seriously about whether it’s worth a Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) permit in states where you’re likely to get screwed by a jury if you use it. Example: I can get a CCW in CA but I’m likely screwed if I shoot somebody. The mostly liberal (I’m a registered independent for the record) jury will be sure to have my ass and it’s why I own a dog that’s trained to bite and protect (another good option). Nothing makes me happier then visualizing PETA pitted against other wild-eyed liberals.

Bottom line is that if you own a gun and have it as daily carry, you’d better rehearse your use scenarios both physically and mentally, and the same with the gun in the home. Mental practice is extremely valuable after you’ve mastered the basics. FYI, shooting paper at the local range will not prepare you for a defensive shooting situation. Rehearsing defensive scenarios is the only thing that will prepare you.

For most of you, the best bet is to buy a good tactical flashlight, there are plenty on the market. Specs: At least 200+ lumens, waterproof, LED, and a 3volt lithium battery. Use and carry your light with you at all times. It’s the best non-lethal and practical option available, in my opinion. You can take it anywhere – including on an airplane – and if it’s a high lumen model it will blind people in broad daylight. I can’t recommend this purchase enough.

Learn From an Expert There are plenty of former Military and Law Enforcement that have great self-defense skills. Just vet your instructor carefully, ask for references and proof of service. While there are many solid instructors out there, there are also a plethora of wannabe Rex-Kwon-Do types who are self-proclaimed experts and worse – lie about their service.

Alter Your Lifestyle, and it May Save Your Life Avoid opening night and large crowds (e.g. go to Disney World during off-peak) that make easy targets. FYI, most domestic and foreign terrorists want the biggest bang for their buck. They want Yankee stadium sold out and not Padre stadium at 60% capacity. It sucks to live this way sometimes but ask the survivors from Colorado if it’s worth a minor lifestyle change. I say it is, and it’s the main reason I’m watching the Olympics on TV and not attending this year. London is too much of a risk for a variety of reasons that I will not go into on this post.

Don’t Be a Victim Rehearse emergency scenarios before there’s an emergency, the time to practice is NOT when it’s happening.

The world is a dangerous place these days. Be prepared.

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 8 months ago

From a former Navy SEAL:

As I continue to read about the terrible tragedy in Aurora, Colorado, I can’t help but think there’s some lessons from my time as a Navy SEAL that I can pass on to the average citizen. I want to make sure that the victims of the Aurora do not suffer or die in vain. As a country, we need to learn from this tragedy, raise awareness, and save lives in the future. So here goes…

Don’t Make Yourself an Easy Target When at sporting events, concerts, and the movies, choose seats that give you a tactical advantage always. What do I mean? Choose seats that allow good and east vantage points and a hasty exit point. Always stack the odds in your favor. It’s the reason I still combat park (back in to a space) and sit with my back to the wall when I’m eating.

Active Shooter Scenario Advice Take cover and not concealment. Concealment hides, cover hides AND protects. It’s the difference between hiding behind a movie seat or a concrete wall.

Don’t lie there with your eyes closed and get shot. Think and move. In these situations you have to take charge and get in the mindset of self-rescue. You cannot wait for first-responders – it takes too long. A good decision executed quickly is better than a great one never executed. Violence of action, as we call it in the Spec Ops community, will often change the odds in your favor.

For close quarter combat drills we’d draw a gun with someone over 20 feet away running at us. In most cases you can be on someone before they can draw and take a shot. I’m not advocating running straight at someone but if you have the tactical advantage (jam, re-loading, distraction or the shooter isn’t paying attention) then take the shooter down or get the hell out of there. Remember that a moving target is extremely hard to hit, even for the well-trained shooter. Deal with the situation with your eyes wide open.

In Aurora, the shooter was severely weighted down with armor and his helmet would have also limited his vision. You can use all this to your advantage.

Flashlight anyone? I have one for daily carry and take it everywhere with me. It’s become another extension of me and has diffused at least two potentially violent confrontations in a non-lethal way. I recommend the Surefire P2X Fury Dual Output LED.

How to use it in this situation?

I would have pulled my high lumens pocket flashlight and blinded this guy. The high powered beam would have taken away his vision for 3-4 seconds, which is an eternity and enough time to flight or fight. There’s also no shame in surviving and getting you and your loved ones out of harm – especially little ones. Be a hero to your kids and family for surviving, nobody can expect more of you than that. Like we say in Survival Escape Evasion Resistance (SERE) school, “Survive with Honor.”

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 8 months ago

While I agree I think it would have been very difficult for someone carrying to stop the Aurora massacre.

  1. It was a dark environment.
  2. Tear gas was deployed in the theater.
  3. The shooter was wearing kevlar.
  4. People were running around in chaos

Unless you were given the opportunity to put your handgun to his temple, getting a good shot off to stop this event would have been miraculous.

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Flap Doodle 1 year, 8 months ago

In other news, the USMC is buying Colt 1911s again. The best close combat handgun was designed over 100 years ago and is still unsurpassed.

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RoeDapple 1 year, 8 months ago

Anyone that thinks Gun Free Zones are a good idea should post one of these at each entrance to their homes

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Liberty_One 1 year, 8 months ago

You notice you never hear about a mass shooting at a police station or NRA meeting or gun club or any other place you'd expect people to be armed. Usually it happens in places where you would not expect the victims to be able to defend themselves. We see just how quickly the cowardly criminals run when someone is shooting at THEM.

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Liberty_One 1 year, 8 months ago

Thanks to Mike Adams who came up with this blog post.

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