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Pastor in Kansas wants Government to Kill Gays http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/pastor-in-kansas-wants-government-to-kill-gays/ The pastor of New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas says President Barack Obama has gone too far in supporting same sex marriage and it’s time for the U.S. government to begin killing gay men and lesbians. “Terrorists are dangerous, the economy is a real and present danger,” Pastor Curtis Knapp told his congregation on Sunday. “But there is simply nothing other than the holocaust of the unborn which imperils the safety of our country or places our people in jeopardy as does the leader of the Western world publicly raising his fist at the heavens and declaring that the bedrock institution of society, ordained of God and meant to be protected by the state, is little more than a convention of convenience with the children of Sodom to transform the meaning of something, which is precious to Jesus Christ, and a living picture of his love for the church into a legally protected justification for perversion and a vehicle of hatred aimed directly at that love.”

Knapp went on to read from Leviticus 20: “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.”

“They should be put to death,” Knapp declared. “‘Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them, no?’ — I’m saying the government should. They won’t, but they should.”

“You say, ‘Oh, I can’t believe you, you’re horrible. You’re a backwards neanderthal of a person.’ Is that what you’re calling scripture? Is God a neanderthal, backwards in his morality? Is it His word or not? If it’s His word, he commanded it. It’s His idea, not mine. And I’m not ashamed of it.”

“He said put them to death,” he continued. “Shall the church drag them in? No, I’m not say that. The church has not been given the power of the sort; the government has. But the government ought to [kill them]. You got a better idea? A better idea than God?”

Listen to Knapp’s entire 1-hour sermon on “The Curse of Homosexuality” here.

Calls to the New Hope Baptist Church were not returned by the time of publication.

Listen to this audio of Pastor Curtis Knapp via Good As You, recorded May 26, 2012. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/30/kansas-pastor-calls-on-u-s-government-to-kill-lgbt-people/

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mrchips 1 year, 10 months ago

Jesus was a huge fan of bacon.

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Ron Holzwarth 1 year, 10 months ago

Do I understand this right? Pastor Curtis Knapp wants gay people to be killed, but he never mentioned Charles Manson, who is alive and well in prison?

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booyalab 1 year, 10 months ago

wrong kind of religious nut.

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pace 1 year, 10 months ago

Stop, stop, I changed my mind, Dear govment, I have changed my mind, you don't need to kill crazy preachers. If you could instead insert (xxx) moneylenders, just the bad one. Kill them. and put a check off on my taxes to pay for the cost, One for money lenders, one for crazy preacher and one for ducks. I like duck.

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pace 1 year, 10 months ago

Now, should I start a campaign for the government to kill crazy preachers, so the state will stay even? Hear me, I am not saying we should kill crazy preachers, we should either have the govenment do it or hire a pryvatized service. if you all think this is making just another govenment departmental thingee. .

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BornAgainAmerican 1 year, 10 months ago

Seneca, Kansas population 2,122 in 2,000. The radical far left really must be scouring the bushes and desparate for material to use in their assault on Christians and traditional America!

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Robert Burnham 1 year, 10 months ago

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woodscolt 1 year, 10 months ago

It might be nice if someone would just take these nuts out for the safety of the rest of the people but then your reminded that it would take a nut to do this and their all on the same team with this nut. (and brownback and Kobach and kline the legislature and on and on.......)

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 10 months ago

Yep, and under "stand your ground", this pastor's words could be considered direct threats.

And we know what "stand your ground" allows if you are threatened.

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gl0ck0wn3r 1 year, 10 months ago

More evidence of why gay folk ought to be pro-concealed carry.

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Fossick 1 year, 10 months ago

ebyrdstarr: "Again, there exist actual public records from the time of Pilate himself, but no mention of this Jesus guy then... And there are lots of records from that time period. I don't know why this total absence of evidence doesn't trouble more people."

OK, one and I'll let it go, this time I double-dog promise.

Can you look into these records for us and retrieve three pieces of information for us?

1) When and where was Pilate born? 2) What was his official title and salary as a government official in Judea? 3) When and where did Pilate die?

If the records are so good, this ought to take like 3 seconds. Find them and I'll agree that the lack of official Roman records for Jesus is troublesome. If such records do not exist, then I suggest you broaden your sources. Fair enough?

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jackbinkelman 1 year, 10 months ago

I say boycott Seneca, Ks. until the city leaders publicly condemn curtis knapps' hate speech. Hate speech is not free speech, even inside the new hope baptist "church".

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yourworstnightmare 1 year, 10 months ago

Nothing in Tacitus's account about Jesus being zombie-fied (raising from the dead) and doing his zombie magic on all of his followers.

Did Jesus exist? Probably. There is physical and historical evidence.

It is a fallacy to jump from existing to being the son of god and savior of humanity.

What does Tacitus say about that?

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verity 1 year, 10 months ago

No need for Comedy Central---

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Fossick 1 year, 10 months ago

blindrabbit: "E nough of this crap that cannot be proven not only because of lack of evidence but because of two ostrichs with formed intransigent positions."

On the contrary, we are making great progress. Sure, it's slow going, but we ought to be careful. Besides, another comment calling that pastor a poopyhead hardly adds to the discussion, no?

But look what we have established simply by agreeing on Antiquities 20.9.1. There was a man named Jesus who widely referred to as "Christ," living within decades of 62 ad, probably in Judea, maybe in Jerusalem. This man had a brother named James who was executed by Jewish religious authorities, implying that his 'crime' was a religious one against Judaism rather than a regular crime against Rome. Sure, we are a long way from Easter, but we surely have established the "No evidence" theory to be false. Since we also have the works of the Apostolic Fathers, who believed that James died from being thrown off the temple, we have also added another buttress to Josephus' claim of independence.

ebyrdstarr: "What documentary proof would satisfy you?"

I told you what proof: exactly what you ask from me, a contemporary document that establishes your contention that the early church changed Josephus. If you don't have one, then an admission that you are willing to believe a Professor of German (Wells), on faith, when he talks about historical events for which there is no documentation.

However, since it appears you'd like to move on, I present Tacitus Annals 15:4:

"Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilate, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their center and become popular."

Tacitus, Roman Senator and Historian, wrote Annals and Histories, which cover the reigns of Claudius 14ad on through the death of Domitian in 96. His work is generally accepted as absolute best Roman historical writing we have. So I look forward to you telling the class why the best Roman historian, who asserts that Christ was executed by Pilate in the same Judea that the Jewish leadership executed his bother, does not mean what we think it means.

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Pastor_Bedtime 1 year, 10 months ago

Taxpayer-funded hate speech from another Christian Supremacist. Not a big surprise.

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buffalobill 1 year, 10 months ago

Religion is like a fart if you have to push it too hard it's probably a turd.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 10 months ago

Fossick and ebyrdstarr: Boy this story has given you'all a good shot at some old tyme mental masturbation at the expense of others. E nough of this crap that cannot be proven not only because of lack of evidence but because of two ostrichs with formed intransigent positions. Again, the story is about a whacked-out, bigoted Seneca whipping up his congregation of like-minded's about some civil rights issues that besmirch their antiquated beliefs.

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tange 1 year, 10 months ago

I have no idea what's transpired here, but why is that man shouting at all those shy girls?

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gudpoynt 1 year, 10 months ago

Pastor Knapp has no idea how sexy he sounds when he get's all Bible-righteous.

I don't know nuthin bout no baby-holocaustin', but THIS child of Sodom can sure feel the fire all the way down in my throbbin' brimstones! Yowzah!

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Fossick 1 year, 10 months ago

ebyrdstarr: "Surely you can concede that the lone, sad little Josephus snippet does not counter that claim one bit."

Of course I'll concede it - I chose that one little Josephus quote because it unarguably falsified your original claim, not because it addressed a wholly new claim you brought in later. As you have admitted that your original claim can no longer stand, I consider that closed.

But you might remember way back when you said, "Dollars to donuts I can guess the first three pieces of proof you will claim..." You knew then I had plenty. Now you're pretending I have but one? Bad form, Peter. (from a source)

So shall we move on? Would you prefer to discuss Tacitus? Acts? The Ante-Nicene fathers? The Roman monuments? Nero's blaming of the 64ad fire of Rome on Christians? The Talmud? The problem is that "the sources [you] have" are not all the sources. It's also likely that I'm just as familiar with your sources as you are.

Erdman*, the "Doctor of Disbelief" who has a cute little Darwin fish on his website, accepts the historicity of Jesus because he's read more and wider sources than you. It's not a matter of faith, but a matter of the preponderance of historical evidence. That's what you're fighting in this quixotic tilting at Jesus-myth windmills.

But perhaps we should begin with your words on the Testimonium Flavium. At first you say, "if Josephus had such a record, why on earth didn't he write about it? " Then when addressing the documentary evidence that he did exactly that, you say, "We know another portion of Josephus was tampered with to bolster the Jesus story, a tampering that occurred some century or two after he wrote the Antiquities..."

So where is your documentary proof** that the Testimonium Flavium was "tampered with to bolster the Jesus story"? It's time for you to present the actual historical evidence of your assertions, for a change. Remember, we're looking for documentary proof, the same kind you ask of me, and the same kind I'll provide lots and lots more of if you continue to ask so nicely.

Extra Credit: As it is historically demonstrable that the very survival of Josephus' complete works was the doing of Christians and not Jews, for what possible reason would the Christians have preserved those works if Josephus' mentions of Jesus did not occur in the originals?

  • Whose middle initial I originally mistyped. ** By which I mean actual, real second, third, and fourth-century documents, not speculations about what Josephus ought to have written instead, or who should have mentioned it but did not.
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blindrabbit 1 year, 10 months ago

You are never going prove the Jesus story to the satisfaction of everyone. Anyway, who really cares, the story is about a nutcase preacher in Seneca, Kansas who if further disgracing the reputation of the State. Further proof of "Whats the Matter With Kansas" and the influence of our "C-Street Governor".

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Pastor_Bedtime 1 year, 10 months ago

But remember, any opposition to this zealot is anti-Christian bigotry.

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Crazy_Larry 1 year, 10 months ago

"Remember: Jesus would rather shame gays than let orphans have a family" (a source)

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asixbury 1 year, 10 months ago

Frankly, who cares what anyone's religion says about homosexuality or their right to get married. This is the government we're talking about; the government should not discriminate against homosexuals because of some people's religious beliefs. No one is saying Christians must support gay marriage or participate in any way. We're saying homosexuals should have the right to get married to the person they love, just as heterosexuals have the right. If you don't like it, don't do it. Just because they have the right does not mean Christians support homosexuality. Living in a secular society requires a give and take. It seems some Christians cannot wrap their heads around the fact that we live in a democracy, not a theocracy!

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tomatogrower 1 year, 10 months ago

Is he a Christian or not? I'm tired of all the Christians who practice their religion from the Old Testament. Aren't they suppose to follow the New Testament? Jesus said judging others was bad.

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Fossick 1 year, 10 months ago

"Then prove it. Go on. Don't just tell me I'm full of it (which I'm not). Try to prove me wrong."

You said "there is no historical evidence that this Jesus guy ever even existed," which statement is either true or false. There is either historical evidence, or there is not.

I would actually start with a quote from Lawrence's own Bert R. Erhman - no fundamentalist, he - who writes that "This does not mean, as is now being claimed with alarming regularity, that Jesus never existed. He certainly existed, as, Christian or non-Christian, agrees, based on clear and certain evidence. " Even agnostics will admit that "virtually every competent scholar of antiquity" believes that Jesus existed. I'm starting with that to illustrate that you are not simply up against me, but against all of modern scholarship. If you think they base that conclusion upon nothing, then you are free to do so. But it's rather like a high school creationist who claims to a biologist that there is no evidence for evolution.

However, is there historical evidence? Of course there is. Just as you know what I'll present, I already know how you'll try to explain it away. But we shall do the dance anyway. All I need is one piece to show your claim false.

Doubtless you'll find fault with the Testimonium Flavianum, however, Josephus' description of the death of James, whom he calls "brother of Jesus, who was called Christ" (Antiquities 20.9.1) is evidence of the existence of Jesus, and is accepted by the vast majority of historical scholars as such.

Even the Secular Web notes of the passage, "However, while there is some reason to believe that this second passage is a fabrication, there is not enough evidence to definitely conclude this." It exists in every copy of Jopephus, is not pro-Christian, and, unless one holds a prior commitment to the non-existence of Jesus, one cannot conclude that it is a fabrication.

If it's not a fabrication, then it is historical evidence of the existence of Jesus.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 10 months ago

More good P.R. for Kansas and it's quest for relevance in a modern world!

Dorothy and ToTo! and "Your not in Kansas Anymore" Fred Phelps Kris Kobach Phill Klein Goat Gland Doctor Public Schools and Evolution by Steve Abrams Smilin Sam from Brownbackistan No State Art's funding Flat and featurless Speaker Mike O'Neal Shooting Illegal border crossers from helicopters No National Parks Bigoted as you Might Expect Tornadoes Home of the Koch-A-Kolas No Natural Lakes; ponds, ditches and Sloughs don't count K-U Football and K-State Basketball Lawrence--27 Square Miles of Reality.... Surrounded by Kansas

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ProfessorSeamus 1 year, 10 months ago

You can read the full, long winded version of my thoughts at www.centerfieldpolitics.blogspot.com if you are bored. Short version - this is wrong. Those of us that disagree with this expression of hatred have a duty to speak up and say it is wrong.

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JustNoticed 1 year, 10 months ago

I think Jesus was so full of love that he just had to be bisexual - had to be. And glory to him for it.

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Patricia Davis 1 year, 10 months ago

Time for this church to lose tax exempt status. It's a cult not a church.

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blindrabbit 1 year, 10 months ago

This isn't a religious thing, it is a control thing. Another old white man trying to foist his backwards, narrowminded, bigoted beliefs on a bunch of gullible right wingers! A truly Kansas tradition, welcome to Brownbackistan!

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jafs 1 year, 10 months ago

Since Leviticus is in the OT, Jesus didn't have anything to do with it.

And, it's remarkable to me that so many focus on one thing in that book, while ignoring a huge number of other things.

Also, of course, the OT is pretty much the Jewish Bible, and the NT is about Jesus' teachings, which often differ greatly from OT content, in the direction of love, forgiveness, grace, etc. rather than punishment/condemnation.

You'd think that Christians, who follow Christ, might pick up on that difference.

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KSense 1 year, 10 months ago

Homosexuality is undoubtedly and completely against the teachings of Jesus Christ but so is killing.

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mikekt 1 year, 10 months ago

I do recall Jesus Christ interfering with a mob of people who were about to stone a woman to death for violating the Old Testament sexual laws, which was the prescribed thing for them to do. This pastor would probably have to take 1/2 his congregation out to the parking lot under Old Testament Laws and stone them to death for acts of adultery, as the Old Testament would have viewed their real life behaviors, as punishable by being stoned to death! I guess every mob needs somebody to take their minds off of their own short comings & i suppose that was a backhanded blessing, of sorts to his adulterous audience! If humans weren't adulterers where would half of the country music industry & rock be today? If you are looking for the anti-christ just go into the bath room, turn on the light & look in the mirror because that is the only person who can make you choose to do anything that is non christ like or to behave in a christ like fashion. Christ taught to Love God & to Love Your Neighbor As Yourself. ( did you see any exceptions in those simple teachings ) If you dislike what your neighbor does you could always be grateful that you don't have to walk in their shoes! Maybe there is a reason why they call "The New Testament" by the name "NEW"? Do you think? Has something changed that you refused to notice for whatever reasons? Well, i don't have to walk in your shoes nor act out of hate to make me feel better about the fact that i'm less perfect than God,..... which i get.

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tange 1 year, 10 months ago

“‘Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them, no?’ — 'I’m saying the government should.'"

Hmm... clear sense of separation of church and state.

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Agnostick 1 year, 10 months ago

Just a matter of time before someone comes forward with video of Pastor Knapp getting a "massage" from a male friend. That's how it usually is with bigots--they're most abhorred by what they see in the mirror.

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Greg Cooper 1 year, 10 months ago

This is so wrong. The "preacher" who quotes Leviticus as the "word of God" is using words written by ancient MEN who, for whatever reason, deigned to pass of theeir writings as that word. While they may be right, I find it quite a stretch to take a man's word as truth, especially when that word advocates the killing of another. After all, don't the Ten Commandments advise against murder?

The unfortunate thing is that this guy is playing right into the prejudices and ignorance of those who listen to him. So sad, and so wrong.

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RoeDapple 1 year, 10 months ago

I figure if there is a heaven and a hell I will be surprised wherever I end up at who I see there. Or maybe not.

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fearthetaliban 1 year, 10 months ago

Fred Phelps is finally getting some competition

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Roland Gunslinger 1 year, 10 months ago

Truly the message of love everyone touts the bible to be.

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