But, . . but, . . .but . . It's Obama's Fault.

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Posted by Roedapple September 25, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.

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When President Obama was pushing Health Care Reform he said his plan would reduce the average family's health care costs by $2,500 per year. The most recent statistics show health care has gone up by $2,370 per family since 2009, more than the previous four years of the Bush administration.

How could he have made a nearly $5,000/year per family error in his calculations?

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RoeDapple 8 months ago

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/rising-health-costs-undermine-obama-pledge-to-curb-trend/

“We won’t do all this twenty years from now, or ten years from now,” he said. “We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.”

snap_pop_no_crackle 8 months ago

He also declared that if the economy wasn't fixed in three years that he'd be a one-term President....... Going to stock up on bacon. BRB

tuschkahouma 8 months ago

why do all trolls ignore the obvious.....the bill goes into more effect in 2014 which means the for profit hmo crooks are jacking the prices before they legally can't......how do you propose a debate when the omission of the obvious makes the whole smokescreen blamegame a joke. If the prices are higher post 2014 fine....go after the bill.....however I love seeing the half of the story blamegame proposed here.

RoeDapple 8 months ago

So tuschy are you saying Obama is a troll and lied about getting it done by the end of his first term?

RoeDapple 8 months ago

Or maybe you are referring to the 2 independent studies mentioned in the link in my first post . . .

Fixed_Asset 8 months ago

RhaRhaRhonda must be on vacay.

tuschkahouma 8 months ago

no I'm saying you're all about a false arguement just like the simpleton Jenkins supporters I argued with last night. Why do false arguements with half the facts omitted work with grown people?

Ronda Miller 8 months ago

Fixed, thanks for thinking of me.

It's actually rahrahrahronda.

And I'm back.......

rockchalker52 8 months ago

Good. Stay put.

Fixed_Asset 8 months ago

Well, I'll be. I figured since you got your rear seared by katara and bea over your last ambiguous " blog", you would take a break from your political version of Twister. Carry on.

RoeDapple 8 months ago

tuschy, what part of , “We’ll do it by the end of my first term as President of the United States.” do you not understand? You are one of the first to jump on the band wagon if a Republican missteps or doesn't follow through on a promise, yet you resort to belittling anyone who expects Obama to keep his word. Please explain where I give a false argument when all I am saying is he didn't follow through on his promises.

grammaddy 8 months ago

He didn'tknow ho0wbad it was until after the inauguration. He also didn'tplanon being met with obstructionism.

rockchalker52 8 months ago

A tip o' the cap to you, Mr. Dapple. No Obumble or Otrauma or mope or any other sophomoric insult that some of the President's detractors like to toss around. Instead, you ask a reasonable question about the President's assertions regarding health care. And, btw, I don't cotton to angry insults from his supporters, either.

Honestly, I don't know why the number$ are different from what President Obama expected, but I do believe the information posted in the link you provided:

"DeParle said that the “big increases that occurred (in 2010) were probably driven by insurance plans overestimating what the impact would be and maybe trying to take some profits upfront before some of the changes in the Affordable Care Act occur.”

Administration officials say they never claimed health care costs would go down, only that they would grow at a slower rate than they would have without the Affordable Care Act.

“It is clear that in recent years health care cost growth has slowed,” Health and Human Services department spokeswoman Erin Shields Britt told ABC News. “In the ten years before the health care law was passed, health care costs increased at 8.7 percent per year on average, according to the independent Kaiser Family Foundation. This study showed a rate of increase of 3.8 percent in 2010 and 4.6 percent in 2011, while in a separate study, the Kaiser Family Foundation recently estimated a rate of increase of 4.0 percent in 2012, illustrating that overall health-care cost growth has significantly slowed in recent years.”"

More Americans now have access to insured health care, pre-existing conditions are no longer automatically excluded & there is a significantly less chance of families being forced into bankruptcy for choosing health care over illness.

I also believe that the President's primary motivation for holding the highest office in the land is for the betterment of ALL Americans. I sense that he cares about us all. I don't get that feeling from Governor Romney. It seems as if he (Romney) is only after a power grab so that he may continue with trickle-down elitism that may or may not benefit the stock market, but very rarely trickles to the vast majority of Americans.

These are generalizations, I know, and simplistic at best, but that is what I believe along with the impression that most of the country appreciates the caring motivations of this administration.

You are da man to me, RoeDy. I have long appreciated your wit & civility on this here award winning website. When is the next song blog?

Ronda Miller 8 months ago

Rock,, I shall. Gee it's good to be back home....

I can hardly wait for the debates .....maybe there will be a chance for people to send in their questions. Perhaps Roe can read his questions via Skype on national TV! Get spruced up, Roe.

Do a song blog about home.... traveling..... vacations, Roe.....

Armstrong 8 months ago

And wait til '14. If the majorityof this POS bill is not repealed I suggest investing in KY cause it's gonna hurt

Katara 8 months ago

It is no different than the credit card reform. The credit card companies took advantage of the time before it was in effect and jacked rates up. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/01/AR2009070103868.html

Do you honestly believe that insurance companies wouldn't do the same? The same insurance companies who engaged in rescission when a policyholder has a major illness? http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/02/think-youve-got-health-insurance-better-double-check-and-be/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702455.html

Fortunately, that practice end with ACA. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/03/opinion/03mon1.html?_r=0

RoeDapple 8 months ago

Except you can cut up your credit cards and be better off without them.

JHOK32 8 months ago

Help me understand why it is such a Godawful terrible thing for every American to have health insurance? As we speak there are thousands of people all over this country literally dying in their homes because they have lost their health insurance when they lost their jobs or simply cannot afford the $500 - $1000 a month to have health insurance. In another 5 years it will cost $2000 - $5000 a month to have health insurance. If you are the parent of a child with luekemia what do you say to your child? "I'm sorry but your fellow countrymen don't give a damn if you die a miserable death because you were too unfortunate to be born into a family whose last name isn't Bush or Romney."

Armstrong 8 months ago

It's not bad to have insurance, it's the fleecing the working people have to take to provide it

mcallaigh 8 months ago

If it fleeces working people, it has done the opposite of its intent.

It doesn't really start until 2014. And yes, hospitals do in fact charge 'the insured' more to recover costs of people who don't pay. But that is still not the reason this idea might work.

We pay multiples more for health care in this country that statistically has less effective results than most other modernized countries. This is because of the way we structure incentives in the heathcare industry.

Liberty275 8 months ago

"Help me understand why it is such a Godawful terrible thing for every American to have health insurance?"

Because the government should never be allowed to tell citizens how to spend their money. In reality all they can do is take our money. Even Obamacare can't get around the constitution to make people spend their money.

All he and the congress has managed to do is punish us with an additional tax unless we spend our money the way the law deems best. That is repulsive.

Did_I_say_that 8 months ago

"Spending on health care rose 4.6 percent in 2011 — up $4,500 per person, on average — according to the nonpartisan Health Care Cost Institute. That’s up from a 3.8 growth rate in 2010.

Health insurance premiums for individuals and families also climbed year-over-year, up 3 percent ($186) on average for an individual and 4 percent ($672) on average for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation."

It appears that the increases are where the spending occurs: health care providers. Premiums for insurance are not rising at the same rate as providers are increasing costs.

mcallaigh 8 months ago

http://www.kaiseredu.org/Issue-Modules/US-Health-Care-Costs/Background-Brief.aspx

I think you may want to read the reasons Kaiser sites costs have increased before you might post something ridiculous like... never mind.

Not that anyone would believe what information an insurance provider would post about cost increases... well, some might.

Did_I_say_that 8 months ago

by DIST

Scotchguard 8 months ago

Don't know why he's talking about an increase in out-of-pocket spending on medical bills. Obamacare has already saved our family a bundle o'money in out-of-pocket costs. Maybe he's one of those who didn't point out to his insurance company that they are obligated to pay certain charges under Obamacare....

Gotalife 8 months ago

All the negative posts about Obama, all the speculation about what could and/or would be, all the hopes of Romney winning mean very little at this point. It's pretty obvious our president will be re-elected.

beatrice 8 months ago

Yep, this year you have the choice of voting for President someone who forced citizens to purchase health insurance so they would be accountable for their own actions and not be freeloaders, or Barack Obama.

I do find it fascinating how the former Republican view of mandatory insurance as the freemarket solution to rising healthcare is now socialism simply because it was adopted by Democrats.

The bulk of the law needs to go into place before the savings are realized.

Liberty275 8 months ago

"I do find it fascinating how the former Republican view of mandatory insurance as the freemarket solution to rising healthcare is now socialism simply because it was adopted by Democrats. "

Why do you think Obama even has a chance? If it wasn't for Romney's hypocrisy regarding socialized health care, they would already be remodeling the white house.

jafs 8 months ago

I'm not sure that's true.

There's plenty of other hypocrisy to find in Romney.

And, his policies have significant problems as well - at least the ones he's provided any details for, so far.

Frankie8 8 months ago

Well, President Obama considers his actions before he makes them, he is capable of talking to foreign leaders in a way that gets their respect, unlike some who believe that America is superior to every other culture, and that those "lousy foreigners" do not deserve respect. There is no way that a thinking person cannot respect and admire this president. He will be re-elected and all of us had better pray for more democrats in congress because otherwise we are in for more of , no, no, no, like a two year old throwing a temper tantrum.

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