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Gun Sales Are Up, Crime Rates Are Down!

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/september/crime_091911


Maybe we have people like this to thank . . .

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RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

One little gray haired lady took on five armed robbers and had them clawing over each other trying to get away!

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

That is a large "PUSH" sign on the exterior of the door. After two pulls, the robber finally figured it out.

Never underestimate the ignorance of a criminal.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Doesn't look like they had it figured out when they were trying to get away either.

grammaddy 2 years, 4 months ago

Gun sales sky-rocketed the week after the Colorado shooting.Not so sure that's a good thing.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

I agree with you. People seem to take delight in watching old people shooting at someone. Don't quite see the humor in it myself.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

And, do older people have names or are they all grandpa and grandma?

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Nobody is taking delight in watching old people shooting at anyone, frankie8. Would you have enjoyed the clip better if it had been the would be robbers doing the shooting?

grammaddy, with more and more people willing to defend themselves, and the byproduct being lowering of crime statistics, how could it NOT be a good thing?

Might I suggest that if places of business posted this sign as an alternative to the "No Guns" sign crime statistics would fall even more?

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

And the title came from a 1940 movie starring May Robson and Harry Davenport.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

I think crime is down because we have a Democrat in the White House.

That seems as valid as anything presented here.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for injecting a little humor into the blog, bea!

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

I don't think she was joking. That was not a joke! Was it? Ohhhhh! :-(

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

What happens if robbers assume that the shopkeeper or house owner is armed and so that shoot first? Maybe when armed thieves go into stores they just want money or in this case jewelry and don't want to shoot anyone, but this is going to force their hand. Good one, beatrice

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

"Just give the nice robber your money and valuables and maybe he won't hurt you . . . " But frankie8, it usually doesn't work that way. Does it? Sorry frankie8, but when a would be robber comes in with guns drawn he has already declared his net worth and is responsible for what happens next.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

All that is left is for me to decide if I want to have my crow boiled, baked, fried or ricasseed. Roe of course you are quite right and I was being foolish and I am willing to admit when I am wrong. Your argument makes a lot of sense. Thank you.

KevinBacon 2 years, 4 months ago

Defend ourselves against armed robbers? That's exactly what they'll expect us to do!

Whether they fire the first shot or not, I'd still rather be armed myself.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Is it irony or just playing the odds that this blog appears telling of how safe we are because of all our guns on the same day when our country experiences another mass shooting?

Once again, our thoughts go out to those killed.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

I thought that too bea, and it is a terrible tragedy.

Let's try to compare the two events though. First, I never said we are safe, although I do believe we are safer.

The Jewelry store was attacked by five armed thugs with guns drawn, yet one 65 year old woman was able to stop the robbery by shooting quickly and aggressively with no one in the store injured.

The Sikh Temple was attacked by one suicidal domestic terrorist, met no resistance and was able kill six and wound three, including one armed policeman who got there after the attack before he himself was killed by a second policeman.

I'm thinking if it had been an unarmed jewelry store and an armed Sikh worshiper the stories "might" have been reversed.

notaubermime 2 years, 4 months ago

You seemed to have skipped over the part where the gunman shot and killed an armed policeman. Why do you think that an armed Sikh would necessarily have had a better chance than a better equipped police officer who was undoubtedly trained for such situations?

Also, correlation does not equal causation. For instance, the rate of violent crimes in this country has been declining since the early 90's and through that same period of time, gun ownership has declined as well. Further, a map of gun ownership by state shows many of the same trends that a map of firearm deaths does: http://www.newsbatch.com/gc-regionowndeath.html

All of this is just to say that I very much disagree that owning guns makes society any safer. Then again, I also would not agree that gun ownership is the cause of violent crimes.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

I didn't skip it. Unless the policeman has died in the last few minutes he was expected to survive as of 5AM this morning. Also, as I wrote, he was injured after the attack had taken place in the temple, outside.

You say correlation does not equal causation. I'd be interested to see your view if crime was up with increased gun ownership.

Gun ownership is down? I know better. See my post below regarding Ruger And Smith&Wesson

notaubermime 2 years, 4 months ago

That's true, I reading through the news this morning, I must have missed the part where the officer was just wounded. Still, he is in critical condition and none of this changes the fact that a trained, well-armed police officer was badly injured by the shooter.

I would hold the view that correlation does not equal causation no matter which way the data pointed. In fact, in my post, I stated: "I also would not agree that gun ownership is the cause of violent crimes." I think that registered, legal gun ownership has little to do with violent crime rates, good or bad. I whole-heartedly support registered gun owners whom safely store their guns and are trained to use them. That support does not change no matter what type of gun it is.

As I said, gun ownership is down since the early 90s. Look it up. Your post below only dealt with gun ownership being up in the last couple years. Different time frame.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Funny thing is, gun sales seem to go up when Democrats hold the oval office. I have said about Clinton and now Obama, they both should get sales commissions from gun manufacturers. Even though they are thought to have more restrictive views on gun law, the most restrictive laws have been passed while a Republican holds the office.Just proves the top dog doesn't always get what he wants if he has a senate and congress that see it another way. As per your comment about ownership being down, in '99 there were 2800/100,000, dropped to 2100/100,000 in '02 then steadily went up to 3200/100,000 in '11. What those numbers don't show are private sales between individuals, something I myself did when money was tight in the last decade. There was a strong market for guns and prices were up so many collectors like myself let inventory drop for the cash available. Never did anything illegal to my knowledge but have since then gone through a dealer for buying or selling.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

You are arguing number of Americans who own guns, I am referring to the number of guns owned by Americans.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Just like the recent video blog by Liberty, you are talking a robbery and a killing rampage. Yes, the woman prevented a robbery -- and thank god nobody was hit by one of the random bullets that didn't find their target. Are you really saying people in places of worship should be armed AND trained as well as the police? What next, the Amish children killed should have been packing heat?

We continue to have mass shootings because it is too easy for criminals and the criminally insane to get their hands on guns.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 4 months ago

Disarming law-abiding citizens will not make them safer. It does give the criminals a safer environment in which to practice their trade.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

frankie8 I'm impressed! One would think you have been following the writings of Uncle Ted.

(or Cuzin Roe?)

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Ah, then you dispute the FBI's statistics?

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

The Washington Times - Gun Ownership up, Crime Down - June 18,2012 "Gun-control advocates are noticeably silent when crime rates decline. Their multimillion-dollar lobbying efforts are designed to manufacture mass anxiety that every gun owner is a potential killer. The statistics show otherwise." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/18/gun-ownership-up-crime-down/

Opposing Views - FBI Stats: Gun Sales Up, Violent Crime Down = June 11, 2012 "The continuing decrease in violent crime comes at a time when firearms ownership has increased across America, a fact that utterly contradicts the mantra of anti-gun groups that that more guns equals more crime." http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/gun-sales-violent-crime-down-again

Independent Journal Review - Go Figure: Gun Sales Go Up, Crime Goes Down - June 19,2012 "There are times in this life when it’s nice how the painfully obvious proves itself, yet again. In this case, an editorial report from Emily Miller of the Washington Times shows that the rise in gun ownership has contributed to a lower crime rate." http://www.ijreview.com/2012/06/8489-go-figure-gun-sales-go-up-crime-goes-down/

NRA-ILA - Gun Ownership Up, Crime Down - June 19,2012 "Gun control advocates are noticeably silent when crime rates decline. Their multimillion dollar lobbying efforts are designed to manufacture mass anxiety that every gun owner is a potential killer. The statistics show otherwise." http://www.nraila.org/171646

But hey, don't let facts get in your way, uncleandyt.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Again, there is zero proof in the correlation of guns sales and lower crime rates. It is likely due more to the proliferation of video cameras everywhere to catch people than anything else ... except for there being a Democrat in the White House.

I mean, we have a Democrat in the White House and crime rates decline.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

And I ask you, if crime were higher would you believe it was because there is a Democrat in the white house or because there are more guns?

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

It isn't higher, but in that hypothetical situation I would probably just blame FoxNews.

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Ah, so the Democrats can do no wrong. Have any nuclear weapons to back that up, Mr Truman?

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RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

I like this quote from The Washington Times link - "Mr. Obama could honestly take credit for this jobs program, economic boost and the reduction in violent crime that has followed the spike in gun ownership on his watch. Instead, he’s silent about his greatest positive accomplishment."

Sturm, Ruger & Co. sold 1 million firearms in the first quarter of 2012 - an amazing 50 percent increase from the first quarter of 2011. Smith & Wesson announced a firearm-order backlog of approximately $439 million by the end of April, up 135 percent from the same quarter in 2011. NSSF estimates the industry is responsible for approximately 180,000 jobs and has an annual impact on the U.S. economy of $28 billion.

labmonkey 2 years, 4 months ago

I actually bought some Ruger stock last week. They are guaranteed a bigger profit over last year... they have so many back orders, they just have to fill those and not take another order to make a bigger profit.

labmonkey 2 years, 4 months ago

It also amazes me when politicians from New York want gun control, considering a good chunk of gun manufacturers in this country hail from New York.

rockchalker52 2 years, 4 months ago

Most gun owners are way cool. It's the ones who modify their equipment that concern me.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

Hey, Sunny Jim, whacha going on about. This is my modified weapon (do I have a gun? Maybe I do and maybe I don't) and I think I am way, way cool.

http://www2.ljworld.com/users/photos/2012/aug/06/238933/

rockchalker52 2 years, 4 months ago

Was it Dinty Moore? Becuz that stuff's lousy.

Leslie Swearingen 2 years, 4 months ago

Yes it was! I took two bites, put it back in the can and then blew the hell out of it. Before it could do me any harm. I like to think of it as a pre-emptive strike and the wood post that got took out is collateral damage that is acceptable.

patkindle 2 years, 4 months ago

when seconds count, and the police are only minutes away The original point and click interface is a Smith & Wesson.

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