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May 21, 2010 at 4:54 p.m.
Barack Obama - Dictator of United States? Bush: "It would be easier."
American screenwriter and director Woody Allen in an interview with the Spanish language newspaper, "La Vanguardia" stated, “I am pleased with Obama. I think he’s brilliant. The Republican Party should get out of his way and stop trying to hurt him.”
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How would Allen have the Republican Party "get out of his way and stop trying to hurt [Obama]?” Simple. Allen believes that "it would be good…if he could be a dictator for a few years because he could do a lot of good things quickly."
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UPDATE: May 18, 2010
One of the hallmarks of a dictatorship is to nationalize key industries. Thus, Woody Allen is not the first to project the possibility of a dictatorship. US Representative Maxine Waters , during a Congressional hearing with oil executives stated, “And guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be all about socializing — er, uh. [Pauses for several moments] …. would be about … [pause] … basically … taking over, and the government running all of your companies.”
Chris Matthews, on his MSNBC show ”Hardball,” asked why [President] Obama did not go after BP: "Why doesn't the President go in there, nationalize an industry and get the job done for the people?" Matthews than apparently recommended the Chinese approach, "They execute people for this. Major industrial leaders that commit crimes like this."
UPDATE May 19, 2010 - What did Obama say?
UPDATE: May 20, 2010 - Many seem to believe that George Bush's joke about being a dictator is equivalent to the statements made in earnest by Waters, Matthews, and Allen. Therefore, in the interest of fairness, here is Bush's comment.
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beatrice (anonymous) says…
Well, I guess that goes to show why Woody Allen makes movies and doesn't write policy, now doesn't it? Seriously, since when did Woody Allen become the spokesperson for the Democratic Party?
Do you really think this comedian author actor was being completely serious? I don't. He is certainly intelligent enough to know that what he was suggesting isn't possible.
Also, if looking to comedians to define a party's platform, why just look at what Woody Allen has to say? Can we look at everything Dennis Miller has ever said and suggest that it somehow is viable to what the Republican platform is since he is a conservative? When he says he doesn't care if the earth is too warm in a couple of generations, does this mean Republicans truly don't care for future human life? It must, because Dennis Miller said it!
I voted for Obama. I think he is doing a halfway decent job as President, although I don't agree with everything he has done since elected, and I absolutely believe he will be re-elected in 2012. I'm insulted by comments that suggest those who voted him into office actually want him to be dictator, or that he is the "Chosen One." That is just sore loser talk by those who believe it is okay to be patriotic and believe in American values only when their party is in power. That is the worst kind of patriotism.
Besides, the image of Obama in a dictator's uniform is the kind of garbage Marion used to pull. You can do better than that DIST.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
"I'm insulted by comments that suggest those who voted him into office actually want him to be dictator..."
Don't look now but it was someone who voted for Obama that said, "it would be good…if he could be a dictator for a few years..."
thehynie (anonymous) replies…
It's not surprising that Democratic comedians feel entitled to be party spokespersons. After all, Al Franken is in the Senate. Maybe they are just jealous. Judging by Franken's poorly thought-out amendment regarding increasing government interference in the credit rating business, it seems that Woody Allen doesn't have a monopoly on bad policy ideas. As for Obama, I think he's a very sincere guy who told America what it wanted to hear during the campaign. Since many Americans didn't research his political roots, they were surprised at what they got. I don't happen to care for his particular view of America, or the world for that matter. But the people will decide in 2012, and it won't matter what you or I believe.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
"...the image of Obama in a dictator's uniform..."
No, not a dictator's uniform. That is the uniform of a United States Army Four-Star General. It has the modifications of the Russian hammer and sickle, the Venezuelan coat of arms, and the Cuban coat of arms.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
"Besides, the image of Obama in a dictator's uniform..."
"That is the uniform of a United States Army Four-Star General."
Two quotes come to mind:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Clothes make the man.
It is interesting that when Obama is placed in an Army general's uniform that some would see that as a dictator's uniform.
tmkatt (Tom Miller) replies…
and all this time I thought it was "beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder"...guess I misunderstanded...
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
DIST,
I saw that on www.prisonplanet.com
AreUNorml (anonymous) replies…
Just watched Invisible Empire last night on prisonplanet.com. besides all that I'd already known/understood..There was a lot of information in there that left me disgusted.
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
Woody's still married to his step-daughter?
Alfred_W (anonymous) says…
"I am pro-choice across the board" - Dennis Miller, 1990
Calliope877 (anonymous) says…
This is dumb...who cares what Woody Allen thinks?
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
How about what US Representatives in Congress say? Or, news anchors and commentators?
RobertinOrlando (anonymous) says…
Some one needs to remind Mr. Allen that is paid to entertain and NOT give his opinion
corduroypants (anonymous) replies…
And why can't he give his opinion?
beatrice (anonymous) replies…
Because entertainers aren't real Americans. Duh.
Just look at Ronald Reagan.
whats_going_on (anonymous) replies…
if only we could say that to Palin.
tange (anonymous) says…
In defense of Woody, he's not always been supportive of despots...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og7lUp...
( This particular clip shows that he also is supportive of the sort of commenters who've *convened* here. )
tange (anonymous) replies…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RUbJ...
Did_I_say_that (DIST) says…
Here is a translation of the relevant part of the "La Vanguardia" article:
----------- Machine Translation ----------------
Woody Allen is a "big fan" of the U.S. President, Barack Obama, to the point where you think you should be a dictator for a few years to carry out all his plans. "I'm thrilled with Obama, I think it's great. The Republican Party should get out of their way and stop trying to hurt him," Allen said flatly in an interview with Spanish media at the Festival de Cannes, where he presented outside contest, his latest film, You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger.
In his view, the current U.S. president is "cool" and getting to do good things. So "would be good," he added if it could be a dictator for a few years, because it could make a lot of good things quickly. "
tange (anonymous) says…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb517c...
Agnostick (anonymous) says…
"We're more popular than Jesus now."
--John Lennon
tange (anonymous) replies…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1gran...
georgiahawk (anonymous) replies…
It was a true statement, they were more popular.
denak (anonymous) says…
Maxine Walters said.......
Woody Allen said.....
Chris Matthews said......
Funny how Obama hasn't said anything....
This is just a lot of political pandering and over the top speculation.
Dena
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
"Funny how Obama hasn't said anything...."
See update. Actually, listen to update.
denak (anonymous) replies…
Um yes, I did listen to the "update." All seven seconds of it. And compared to what other dictators such as Castro, Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot and Chavez have said, I can see how "this is the moment that the ocean's begin to rise and the planet begins to heal" can be construed as a call to arms and the beginning of the overthrow of the U.S. government.
bearded_gnome (anonymous) says…
hey DIST,
do a little googling on Mad Maxine Waters: I know she's a little hot, in a bag lady sort of way; look at what she's said about the CIA and George W. Bush, for example. but it is important to note that her hubby sat on the board of a bank that benefited greatly from TARP and other government bailout actions...and she's on the "financial services committee along with congressman Denny Moore and Manny Cleaver of KCMO.
Beatrice likes to ignore, and lie about, the fact that the loonie left was first to compare Obama to Jesus. she says it is only the right that calls him "the messiah" or "the chosen One." so, apparently dem congressman Cohen (sp?) and Donna Brazile are in "the right?" and she's even commented on my blog from the '08 campaign documenting that Memphis congressman saying "Jesus was a community organizer ..." and literally dozens of labor leaders across the country [just do a google]
apparently she fergot.
good job DIST.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Try doing a search for "Maxine Waters Socialize Oil" and see how few of the news outlets actually reported her Freudian slip.
bearded_gnome (anonymous) says…
Apparently south american terrorists/communists were pulling for Obama, and meeting with "gringos" about their support of Obama during the campaign.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblo...
verity (anonymous) says…
You couldn't do a better job of photoshopping than that?
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Yes, but I was in a hurry. Besides, it is Woody's vision of Obama, not mine.
jonas_opines (anonymous) says…
Well you get a few points for more support for your premise than I expected, but yeah. . . .
jonas_opines (anonymous) replies…
. . . anyway, perhaps you should change your screen name to why_did_I_say_that?.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Why is that?
The blog has only repeated what some (Woody Allen, Chris Matthews, Maxine Waters, and Barack Obama) have said. The only commentary was to provide a visualization of Allen's comment.
Why did I say that? It needs to be said.
jonas_opines (anonymous) replies…
"Why did I say that? It needs to be said."
Why?
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) says…
I thought Marion was disappearded...
looks like he found a way to get back in.
georgiahawk (anonymous) says…
Be afraid, be very afraid, of your own ignorance! Does anybody but the paranoid ignorant faux news crowd care about this and assign any value to it? Do you really think America is so fragile that a "dictatorship" could even happen? The Cheney/Rove presidency was the closest we have ever been to a dictatorship! Get a grip people!
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Twenty years ago no one would have thought that the government would take over a large segment of the automobile industry or move towards nationalizing health care.
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) replies…
Really? Because it was 1993 when Clinton suggested nationalizing health care. That was only 17 years ago.
It was in the 70's that the government took over passenger rail from private companies.
It was in 80's that the Resolution Trust Corp, which is owned by the government, took over failing S&Ls.
In 2001 the government took control over airport security from private security companies.
I guess nationalization is NOT something new to our government. We've been doing it for decades.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Jesse,
I will stick with my statement. On May 19, 1990 I would never have thought that the US government would take over health care or a large segment of the automobile industry.
Amtrak was formed when the last three railroads offering passenger rail services were about to bankrupt the passenger divisions in order to close them. The government formed a separate corporation that offered common stock to railroads as line-use incentives. Amtrak is a great example of why government should not be involved in private business. Tax payers have to add $1.5 Billion per year to keep it operating. The private businesses were right; it should have been dissolved.
Airport security? There was something that caused the government to take over Airport security. However, as to its success - let's hear from frequent travelers.
My recollection is that the Resolution Trust Corp was activated to liquidate S&Ls that were insolvent - not to run them. Did they actually end up operating S&Ls?
Back to health care. In 1990 I would not have thought it possible. In 1993 I found out that some people thought it was possible and attempted to take it over. Now, in 2010 it has happened.
So, when those on the left say, "that could never happen", forgive me if I am skeptical.
Cappy (anonymous) replies…
Or the huge bailouts RayGun had to loan Chrysler essentially making them owned entities until they repaid the loans.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
More proof that government should not have interfered. MOPAR had a good run under Lee Iacocca. However, where is the company now? Back to bankruptcy, but for government interference. If Amtrak costs taxpayers $32 per passenger, how much will it end up costing taxpayers to sell a Chrysler?
Liberty275 (anonymous) says…
Woody knows that every great socialist experiment needs a dictator. He's admitting it. Obama could be our Chavez, O ye liberal comrades! Don't be shy, we know you agree with Woody even when he's fooling around with his former step daughter (it isn't like he's a mormon).
somedude20 (anonymous) says…
Sonny Bono
Fred Grandy (Gopher) jesus!
Fred Thompson
Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger
Ronald Wilson Reagan
Quality people all the way around! One for the Gipper
MojoCatnip (anonymous) says…
BP made a mess of the Gulf, and now they have to clean it up, and that costs a lot of money.
Republicans made a mess of America, now Obama has to clean it up, and that costs a lot of money.
Hey sore losers...i mean, Confederates...uh, I mean Teabaggers, stop whining. You lost. I know it stings, but if you want to "take back your country", you won't be taking it back from a brown man that makes you uncomfortable in your overalls. You are going to have to take it back from the future of this nation that voted for him and for progressive thinking. Deal with it. You'll have your chance on election day, until then, shut it.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
You might want to read the blog. Your comments have no relevance to the content.
Does name-calling make you feel better? The left calls for Obama to be dictator and then blames the right for saying it. Now you call the right names; how long before you blame the right for calling themselves names?
jonas_opines (anonymous) replies…
"The left calls for Obama"
Do you have any non-spun evidence for that? I don't see any here.
A couple people, by the way, does not "the left" make.
Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…
It's BP's fault!!
llama726 (anonymous) says…
"Reading comprehension, please. There is no accusation of Obama being a dictator"
"Barack Obama - Dictator of United States?"
Hmm. I am not accusing him of that, I'm just asking a question in such a way as to imply that. Just like your buddy Glenn Beck just asking questions about Obama being racist against white people?
You guys are nuts. Please leave your houses and get jobs.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
It is an Obama supporter (Woody Allen) that is calling for Obama to be proclaimed dictator.
The title could be: "It would be good if Obama could be a dictator!" That is what Woody Allen said. Would that be a better title?
The left brought this question to the table; this blog is only highlighting the question.
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) replies…
One man does not the left make.
His views do not correlate to the views of the entire liberal population in the nation.
iamtired (anonymous) says…
"You guys are nuts."
Are you referring to those calling for a socialist America (Waters, Allen, Matthews)?
"Please leave your houses and get jobs."
Does this imply that you are at your job, using the company computer on your bosses time?
jonas_opines (anonymous) says…
Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for his life.
Give a man a blog and the results will often be fishy.
llama726 (anonymous) says…
No, iamtired, today is one of my days off. Thank you for your concern.
America has elements of socialism, but will never and should never go fully socialist. There isn't a single extreme that holds all the answers. As a government, we should keep our minds open to things that work and adapt to meet the changing times. That means that the market has to be regulated and the problems created by capitalism should be answered, without killing capitalism.
I, like most people in this country, don't think corporations should be able to do and say as they please with their only check being from the market which can't control them. Too many abuses within our government and business world are done for profits. At the same time, we need private enterprise to be the vast majority of our market. There has to be a balance.
Obama has said that he doesn't want the government to have to run businesses. But people don't want to listen to that, it's not sensational enough. To sit here and have a discussion about socialism related to Obama is disingenuous at best.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
But, don't you think you should follow your own advice, "Please leave your houses and get jobs"? Or, do you assume that you are the only one with time away from work?
"To sit here and have a discussion about socialism related to Obama is disingenuous at best."
To have a discussion related to Obama without including socialism would be disingenuous, at best.
"Obama has said that he doesn't want the government to have to run businesses."
However, his actions differ significantly from his words. The man is not what he says, he is what he does.
llama726 (anonymous) replies…
Have a good day. Get some sleep.
Made_in_China (Paul R. Getto) says…
"It's been proposed before, but the conditions have never been more right for the 22nd amendment to be repealed" === Won't happen, T.S., but it's a good reminder the polling data on Clinton suggested he could have elected to a third term if it were allowed. Figured this topic would bring out the best in people, and it definitely has.
deathpenaltyliberal (anonymous) says…
PS - Your Mom's calling for you, it's lunchtime!
deathpenaltyliberal (anonymous) says…
This is a stupid blog created by someone with too much time on their hands. To take an idle comment by a has-been movie producer and warp that into President Obama as dictator is simplistic at best, childish at worse.
Why don't you spend your time working or volunteering, instead of pushing this puerile nonsense?
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Allen's comment was made during an interview with a La Vanguardia reporter; it was not an idle comment.
Water's comment was made during a Congressional hearing; it was not an idle comment.
Matthew's comment was made on his MSNBC show, "Hardball with Chris Matthews;" it was not an idle comment.
deathpenaltyliberal (anonymous) replies…
Did_I_say_that (anonymous) replies…
Allen's comment was made during an interview with a La Vanguardia reporter; it was not an idle comment.
Do I hold the right responsible for everything that Mel Gibson says? Get real.
georgiahawk (anonymous) replies…
Spot on!
beatrice (anonymous) says…
This is just another example of how Republicans will completely distort and blatantly lie in order to get a point across. To pretend that Woody Allen -- Woody Allen! -- has any sway or in any way represents the Democratic Party is beyond ridiculous and a blatant lie. Putting an image of Obama, our President of the United States of America, in a military uniform is also a direct insult to our military. Why do those on the right hate our military?
Bearded, it was John McCain who had a video about Obama "The Messiah" on his homepage during his failed bid to be president. Pretend it is the left who do this. Feel free, because rational people recognize lies when they read them.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
"Putting an image of Obama, our President of the United States of America, in a military uniform is also a direct insult to our military."
I could not have said it better myself. DIST, the military has been insulted. How dare you put the Commander In Chief of the Military in an Army General's uniform!? Do you not see how that would insult every military man and woman in the country? Obama is an insult to the uniform. You need to change that picture.
liberallibrarian (anonymous) says…
I'm sad I just spent 2 minutes reading this ridiculous blog. I voted Obama- will vote for him again. Couldn't care less about Woody Allen's opinions on politics. newsflash: Not every democrat agrees with what every other democrat says.
Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…
A librarian can afford to waste two minutes. Computers have made them little more than reshelvers for bums that can't afford their own libraries anyway.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
"I'm sad I just spent 2 minutes reading this ridiculous blog."
I would be sad also. A librarian ought to be able to read much faster than 119 words per minute since the average adult can read 200 - 250 wpm.
"Not every democrat agrees with what every other democrat says."
Agreed, there is a lot of infighting amongst liberals.
deathpenaltyliberal (anonymous) says…
"TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
Don't kid yourself, Woody Allen is speaking on behalf of every far-left loon from Manhattan to Malibu."
Hey, Tom, Bill O'Reilly just called and wants his talking point back.
deathpenaltyliberal (anonymous) says…
TomShewmon (Tom Shewmon) says…
...He's part of the C.L.a.P that barry often speaks of. "
You guys like talking to yourselves? There is a term for that (hint: two words, the second rhymes with perk) but it's also known as the rightwing echo chamber.
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
The sooner Dear Leader is back in his mob-financed Chicago mansion, the better off America will be.
Alyosha (anonymous) says…
George Bush said things would be a lot easier if this (America) were a dictatorship, just as long as he was the dictator. See him say it in his own words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNo0_k...
Did all the fear-filled commenters here give Bush a pass on his own dictator statement, saving your fearmongering only for Obama, who didn't say what Bush himself said?
This post is much ado about nothing.
Of course Americans should be wary of our country becoming a dictatorship. This is a rankly partisan post, not intended to foster civil discussion. It's basic fearmongering that any American should discount.
End of discussion.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
Were there any Bush supporters calling for him to be declared dictator? If so, provide a citation. If there had been, it would have been just as threatening to the freedom of the US.
georgiahawk (anonymous) replies…
Repubs are good at deception because they have practiced it for years, they know that you never state your goal, you just work for it behind the scenes and lie about it when caught. bush is not the smartest man, he was probably sent to bed early by Cheney/Rove for repeating what he had heard in 'private' discussions.
ilikebutter (anonymous) replies…
So to be clear, iamtired, what you're saying is this:
if a movie director wants his president to become a dictator the sky is falling, but if Bush (the actual president) says he would gladly run a dictatorship it is not at all threatening?
That. Is. Ridiculous.
Remember everyone, winning an online argument is kind of like winning a footrace with a person on crutches....not very impressive.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
"Remember everyone, winning an online argument is kind of like winning a footrace with a person on crutches....not very impressive."
I give up. You win the argument.
ilikebutter (anonymous) replies…
...not very impressive, was it?
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
No, but there was no real competition. ; - D
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
Let us hope the Fear Monger in Chief keeps hitting the campaign trail for Democrats.
“washington (ap) — Voters rejected one of President Barack Obama's hand-picked candidates and forced another into a runoff, the latest sign that his political capital is slipping beneath a wave of anti-establishment anger.
Sen. Arlen Specter became the fourth Democrat in seven months to lose a high-profile race despite the president's active involvement, raising doubts about Obama's ability to help fellow Democrats in this November's elections.
The first three candidates fell to Republicans. But Specter's loss Tuesday to Rep. Joe Sestak in Pennsylvania's Democratic senatorial primary cast doubts on Obama's influence and popularity even within his own party — and in a battleground state, no less…”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/po...
verity (anonymous) says…
I find it interesting that you rephotoshopped the image since I made my comment.
You are really too funny. I get such a kick out of you guys and your fantasies.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
verity (anonymous) says…
"You couldn't do a better job of photoshopping than that?"
Did_I_say_that (anonymous) replies…
"Yes, but I was in a hurry. Besides, it is Woody's vision of Obama, not mine."
So, I take the time to do a better job of editing the photo, post it, and what? Now, you are complaining that I followed up on your criticism?
You are really too funny. I get such a kick out of you. I might get a kick out of your fantasies, but we don't really know each other that well.
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) says…
http://knowyourmeme.com/i/23371/origi...
jbiegs (anonymous) says…
This coming from the guy who recently said he thought Roman Polanski had paid his dues, lol.
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
Dear Leader’s turning out like an abusive boyfriend that won’t call you back after he’s had his way with you.
“At a ceremony to sign a bill promoting press freedom around the world on Monday, President Obama refused to take questions from reporters. “I’m not doing a press conference today,” he told Chip Reid of CBS News, “but we’ll be seeing you guys during the course of the week.”
So when the president hosted a “news conference” in the Rose Garden with the president of Mexico on Wednesday, Mr. Reid thought maybe this time Mr. Obama would take questions. Instead, Mr. Obama allowed only a single question from the American news media, calling on a reporter from Univision, making it unlikely that he would be asked about Tuesday’s anti-incumbent election results.
Sure enough, Mr. Obama was asked about the Arizona law aimed at stopping illegal immigrants, a law he had already denounced in his opening remarks and was happy to denounce again in response to the question. He did not have to offer his thoughts on the loss of an ally, Senator Arlen Specter, in Pennsylvania’s Democratic primary, or on any other topic.
As the event ended and Mr. Obama swiveled to head back into the Oval Office, Mr. Reid tried again and shouted out a question about the elections.
Mr. Obama ignored him. Maybe he meant later in course of the week.”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/20...
beatrice (anonymous) replies…
The President is Near!
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) replies…
Still quoting nighty, bea? You're better than that. Oh, actually you aren't.
beatrice (anonymous) replies…
The President is Near, dad blam it!
Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…
If a rightie had said that, I'd think it was backdoor racist comment. Since you said it, I think it's funny.
Aguilar (anonymous) says…
Did_I_say_that......
I wish you could see the narcissism in your replies. The condescension is overwhelming.
You have to be Marrion Lynn. What happened to being open about who you are?
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/jul...
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
A hat trick; wrong on all three counts.
This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
jonas -
You normally stick to the facts. Ad Hominem is below you.
jonas_opines (anonymous) replies…
If you're not Marion, then there was no ad-hominem.
We can discuss facts when you bring facts to the table. All I see here is spun crap. Don't fault me for pointing it out.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
"If you're not Marion, then there was no ad-hominem."
Bad spin there, Jonas. You know that an ad hominem is a fallacy; you stated a fallacy in order to create prejudice.
"We can discuss facts when you bring facts to the table. All I see here is spun crap."
The blog only provided context and a quote from Woody. The updates did the same. I provided no spin since I made no commentary. The only license I used was the visualization of Obama in a uniform.
Please provide an example of spin from the blog.
jonas_opines (anonymous) replies…
BS on any spin. Ad hominem is attacking the source of an argument instead of the argument in order to discredit the argument. Since I was talking about Marion, and you say that you're not Marion, then you're either wrong in calling the fallacy, or you're a liar.
We're done.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
Aguilar -
13 of your 23 posts have been directed at Marion. You really need to get a life separate of Marion. You have went five months without posting. Your first post upon returning is to accuse someone of being Marion. DIST is not Marion; alas, Marion has been disapeardeded. Try getting out a little more; it will be good for you.
Aguilar (anonymous) replies…
As you said, I've been gone for five months, so it's obvious I have a seperate life from spewing hot air on here. What kind of life would I find if I checked your stats....? Not enough time in the day for something so mundane.
And yes, I've had the displeasure of coming across the aformentioned spammer, aka Nick Danger, everybody that knows him personally feels the same way I do about him....
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
It is more likely that you are Marion and used the "Aguilar" account to spark activity on the Marion blogs.
BigPrune (anonymous) says…
Did Obama blow up the BP oil platform two weeks after he was giving the okay for more offshore oil drilling? Seems like now everyone is harping to halt offshore oil drilling........kind of like how Bush got blamed for blowing up the levies in New Orleans.
BTW - where is the outcry regarding the lack of the Federal Government's response to this oil mishap? If Bush was in office, people would be calling for his head, and he'd be blamed for trying to help out his oil buddies ny not doing anything. How much did BP donate to Obama's campaign again? Was it one week or two for Obama to fly over the slick?
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) replies…
So Obama is supposed to throw on a dive suit and fix the leak himself?
The Coast Guard were the first people on the scene. You know them right? They're a part of the Dept of Transportation... a federal agency. Outside of their response what else can the federal government do?
Just so we're clear a federal agency was the first to respond to the oil rig, the first to start looking for survivors, the first to set up a command center, they started putting barriers up to help contain the oil, they are overseeing BP's cleanup and containment of the slick.
Outside of that there's not much else the feds can do.
Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…
Wasn't Bush supposed to command Katrina's storm surge to remain in the gulf?
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) replies…
No he was supposed to direct FEMA to get our citizens out of a hurricane's path. One that we knew was coming well ahead of schedule. Louisiana requested 700 buses from FEMA to evacuate people. They received 100.
Once the levees broke and people were trapped in the city it took two days before rescue operations even started.
I don't blame Bush for FEMAs failures. But had he been more of a leader and pushed, FEMA would have acted on his words instead of their lackadasical response we saw.
The difference between the two? We knew about Katrina ahead of time and failed to prepare.
The oil rig wasn't something we knew was going to occur.
beatrice (anonymous) replies…
But .... but, Bush! waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
TopJayhawk (anonymous) says…
I have reached an agreement with some of my liberal friends.
We are going to vote against all incumbents regardless of party. If you can get them out in the primary so much the better.
If we could get rid of sixty to seventy percent of the incumbents, I think even the ones left would get the idea and start to do the right thing, if only to protect their phoney-baloney jobs.
independant1 (anonymous) replies…
i 2nd that motion
independant1 (anonymous) replies…
i 2nd that motion
snap_pop_no_crackle (anonymous) says…
It's looking more and more certain that a North Korean torpedo was responsible for sinking a South Korean naval vessel not long ago. Our Dear Leader is concentrating on lambasting Arizona for trying to enforce the laws the feds ignore. One would hope he'd have something to say about the Korean situation.
Liberty275 (anonymous) replies…
obama is too cowardly to have words with North Korea.
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) replies…
You mean like this?
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/05/...
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
Snap,
Maybe Bill Clinton can do something with the situation.
beatrice (anonymous) says…
New Headline added: "It is Bush's fault!"
But ... but, Bush!
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
By the way, didn't you get the memo? It is now official: Nothing is Bush's fault.
As all Republicans (or whatever it is that passes for a Republican these days) know, we now understand that Bush may well have been the best President ever. He was the "Decider," but he wasn't a dictator.
Me? I blame Woody Allen. I think he planted the bombs that blew up the oil well.
beatrice (anonymous) says…
Tom called the President of the United States "Mack Daddy."
Of course, race has nothing to do with his hatred. Right.
georgiahawk (anonymous) replies…
Tom is the one unraveling! Sad and pathetic but at the same time fun to watch!
beatrice (anonymous) says…
DIST: "Many seem to believe that George Bush's joke about being a dictator is equivalent to the statements made in earnest by Waters, Matthews, and Allen. Therefore, in the interest of fairness, here is Bush's comment."
First off, fairness? You can't be serious. It would have been an example of fairness if you had done this up front, but not after receiving 100 plus comments and the blog is nearing its end. Second, it is time for a reality check. Waters, Matthews and Allen weren't really speaking in earnest. Nobody was really and truly calling for America to be run by a dictator. They were making a comment that speaks more to their frustration with the Party of "No!" than a desire to be ruled by a dictator. Once we realize this, then we can agree that Bush said a joke that could be considered in the ballpark at least of the ideas espoused by Waters, Matthews and Allen.
From what I can tell, only one of those four people - Waters, Matthews, Allen, Bush - were ever President of the United States, and Obama ain't on the list. Obama never made this kind of joke.
So DIST, why again did you need to trash the current President because of the comments of others? Exactly how is this leading to civil discourse? What are your motivations for trashing our President?
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Bea,
The original blog (anything before the updates) was simply a report of what Woody Allen said, a picture of Allen, and a picture of President Obama that visualized what Allen had said. There was nothing to "trash the current President".
It was the first commenter that then set the tone for the rest of the comments and updates.
beatrice (anonymous) replies…
Riiiiiiiight. Manipulating a photograph of the President so he appears to be wearing the uniform of a dictator isn't trashing the man.
As I said earlier, this is exactly the kind of thing Marion would do.
BigPrune (anonymous) says…
" Allen believes that "it would be good…if he could be a dictator for a few years because he could do a lot of good things quickly."
Ronnie James Dio translation: "Run from the heart of the twilight lightning"
http://www.themetallian.com/metallian...
lounger (anonymous) says…
Woody Allen has more guts that most of thes posters (err posers) thats all.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
Agreed. It is amazing how fast the left can distance themselves from those that let out secrets.
jajacut (Jeff Cuttell) replies…
Let's talk secrets Bush/ Cheney lover.
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) says…
Bush is a thief!
He stole Obama's uniform and didn't even have the smarts to remember to take Obama's name tag off when he put it on.
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Good catch Jesse. W noticed too; so, I had to change it.
beatrice (anonymous) says…
DIST feels that Ad Hominem is below jonas. I agree, and can prove it:
jonas
ad hominem
Did_I_say_that (DIST) replies…
Now that's funny - I don't care who you are - that's funny. :-D
beatrice (anonymous) replies…
No matter the internet argument, we must remember to leave room for a little humor now and then. Glad you enjoyed it.
jajacut (Jeff Cuttell) says…
It's SO great what terrible LOSERS the Republicans are! Keep spewing your venom. Your helping the progressive/ liberal cause with your ignorance, lies and spin.
iamtired (anonymous) replies…
Now it is "spewing venom" to quote what the left has said?
whats_going_on (anonymous) replies…
YOU aren't helping the progressive cause either with these comments. I'm tired and weary of the far right as well, but come on now. To assume that one political party does nothing wrong and grouping everyone who doesn't agree with you is a bit pathetic.
Solomon (anonymous) says…
Welcome to Obamanomics.
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy...