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The Power of Passive Suggestion

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In recent years the internet has become a tool for research. We have all seen the optional surveys, but that is only one way to collect data. One of the problems with surveys or questionaires is that people tend to think through what thier response will be. They may exagerate, try to be overtly polite, politically correct or socially desirable.

We observe cause and efffect all the time, but do we really need a real cause to illicit a actual effect?

I have been posting on this forum for a couple years. In that time I have watched the same group of profiles whittle away at others until they either get banned, stop posting or just tip toe around topics they might otherwise engage in. Then I have watched them dance on the graves in a strange sort ritual of way.

In some instances; like with he case of "Oak" it seemed more like hunting than discussion. Now I know the first thing someone will say about this is that irish/Oak etc had 3, 4 ,10 profiles over time. Why did she do that? Could be she wanted to be a part of rather than a outcast. Could be she thought perhaps if she changed her name, her approach, her topic content that just maybe she could be accepted or it could be that she just wanted to prove she could break that ridiculous cyber barrier.

Four days ago I sent 4 messages out randomly to profiles that have engaged in baiting or mocking behaviors against others. I implied that they may have participated in inappropriate exchanges " stalkerish" At first I was kind of bumed out that I hadn't even gotten the slightest nibble, but then last night one of them not only bit but many of the supporting profiles jumped right in there. So then I flagged one of the most prominate leaders to see if the LJW moderator would respond. Then I flagged the whole blog with a explanation of why I felt it was inapproriate; I even used the term "stalkerish" as I had in the messages and as the profile included in the title.

I checked back throughout the day to see how the discussion was progressing. I watched as the initiater continued to defend her/his right and I saw profiles that I haven't seen for a long time coming out like ants at a picnic. *I even saw profile challenge the majority. I saw the names of former profiles and real names being posted in a attempt tp finger who was to blame. I saw them justify and rationalize targeting others. The most important thing I saw was myself and others freely discussing rather than defending on subjects all day long all over the board. Yep all in all it was a good day on the LJW forum.

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

Trying again as you suggested.

So many questions unanswered by artichoke. There are more from fixed asset over on the "stalkerish" blog.

Cat got your tongue?

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

"I attempted to search sybil. Funny nothing you have posted comes up on the site."

Funny? Then this should have you giggling. Let see, these have a lot of things about Sybil:

The one with the horrid wish of harm to children and police doing their job. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/28/resident_sound_dog_ordinance/#c206823

The one were she is disparaging to the Humane Society. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/sep/06/dog_fighting_animal_cruelty_cases_decline/#c207675

Making light of a cat killed by a pitbull. The dog came in the cat's house and mauled it in front of it's family. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/sep/08/police_pit_bull_kills_cat/#c208906

HesterPrynne was a co-conspirator until this bully was disappeareded too. Put that in the search box for more examples of bullying.


"I can go out on a limb here and guess you saved them for months? Years? Yeah kinda stalker like."

Have not saved a thing. I take out the trash regularly.

"Still didn't find the ones you are posting. but did find commet that are 50/50 mixed. Half the responders are rude ( one of them was you as prospector) and others are in agreement."

Okaaaay, did not find my posts AND I was one of the rude ones. That makes a lot of sense. Put up or shut up. Show me the example of the 50/50 mix of which you speak.

"Yeah it looks like some did not like sybil. looks like you bullied her, looks like she likes animals, looks like she empithized with humans."

Likes animals. that are not cats. Empathy is an unknown concept in her simply ugly, visceral posts.

This may help if you find yourself out on a limb again.

Out on a Limb - A Guide to Getting Along http://urbanext.illinois.edu/conflict/

Which choice are you making? http://urbanext.illinois.edu/conflict/maria3.html http://urbanext.illinois.edu/conflict/maria5.html

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 8 months ago

White oleander, Carol Ann Fugate, and so on and so forth...

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

Bright lady, what part of disappeareded do you not understand.

Can't find anything on another bully, enforcer(Kathy Gragg) either because she was disappeareded. First you said you did not know her, later you then deemed her innocent? How did you do that?

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 8 months ago

I attempted to search sybil. Funny nothing you have posted comes up on the site. I can go out on a limb here and guess you saved them for months? Years? Yeah kinda stalker like.

So I found there are two sybils resistered. when navaigated one ( Caileensybil) says page not found and the other ( sybil3) has comment from forever ago

Then I looked at links where others had said" sybil." Still didn't find the ones you are posting. but did find commet that are 50/50 mixed. Half the responders are rude ( one of them was you as prospector) and others are in agreement. The stories were about a police shooting of a depressed woman, A city council meeting about a dog ,a fundraiser for the humane society and letter to the editor about possible abuse of the horses at the Eldrridge Hotel by some woman named sonia.

Yeah it looks like some did not like sybil. looks like you bullied her, looks like she likes animals, looks like she empithized with humans. look for yourself.

http://www2.ljworld.com/search/?q=sybil&search_type=all_results

Try again.

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

artichokeheart (anonymous) says…

I don't see too much difference between you and your friend Sybil. 'Do you hate her cause she pieces of you?' July 24, 2010 at 5:16 p.m.

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Who has got the decoder ring?

Oh lordy, i hate no one. I just have no respect for and stand up against liars, stalker, and bullies.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 8 months ago

I don't see too much difference between you and your friend Sybil. 'Do you hate her cause she pieces of you?'

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

No, not near the same, Merrill is still here.

Sybil displayed classic P/A bullying and I wanted to should how I put her in her place for making absurd statements on Christianity that wished suffering on children. Yes! Children! It is kind of tough when you can't see all the maniac stuff that started flying that got her disappeareded. You have to take my word unless you know Sybil and can prove her innocent. Until, the one still posting wins.

My point, Bullies lose.

I have no idea what you are talking about. How does one go about getting a blog removed? I know you tried and failed(see above) so why do you think I have that power?

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 8 months ago

What is your point? I could copy/paste Merrill all day and ask you to explain that to me. it would be the same thing. The real question here is; If a tree falls (and a video is included) does that make a bully feel better about getting a blog removed?

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

prospector (anonymous) says…

I am aware of "do a good deed and the favor will be returned tenfold". I do not believe that "ill deeds" was part of the lesson being taught. So, help me find, "ill deeds begat ill deeds tenfold" or something as you claim. You won't and you are wrong.

Sybil said for some reason:

"Do remember the sins of the Father return to visit their Children."

Why? September 5, 2006 at 2:12 p.m.

followed by: prospector (anonymous) says…

sybil writes:

"Prosepector If you kill then your children will reap what you have sown."


Again you are wrong. The "Do remember the sins of the Father return to visit their Children" is old testament and refers to a father's lack of faith and sin will cause the same lack of faith in his children.

tedacted fpr s[acehttp://www.carm.org/diff/Deut5_9.htm

From article I refered:

(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

It is the spinning of Christianity like this that gives it a bad name. Please stop, you are not helping it or anyone else. September 5, 2006 at 3:35 p.m.


http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/28/resident_sound_dog_ordinance/#c206823

Sybil was soon dissappeareded too.

I am sure she was innocent too.

My point has been made. Bullies get what they deserve and are run out of here, as they should be.

Thank you

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

I feel I have tried to help our LJW family understand by words and the examples of others how to identify a bully and stop the bullying. Here, they are powerless except in there own mind. You can ignore them in most instances until someone pushes the limit, for example:

= prospector (anonymous) says…

"...And as for the officer who pulled the trigger, I hope in his final moments it's tenfold.

xxxxx xxxxx

[xxx xxxx} St." --------------------prospector redacted this

Sybil writes:

"...Frankly I see nothing wrong with her last sentence in the letter in fact it is Christian."

WOW

How on God's green earth could you think that? Is the "an eye for "ten"eyes" from the Koran what you are referencing to here?

What part of "...turn the other cheek..." and "...those without sin..." do you not understand?

Jesus would forgive you but you are not endearing others to. So please enlighten me on how you justify that statement. September 5, 2006 at 10:32 a.m.

followed by prospector (anonymous) says…

I asked of sybil:

"Jesus would forgive you but you are not endearing others to. So please enlighten me on how you justify that statement."

Thanks for the bible verse google list, but the question was not answered Sybil. Please justify your statement, "...her last sentence in the letter in fact it is Christian". The "fact" or your opinion to justify this would do.

Thanks September 5, 2006 at 12:04 p.m.

followed by:

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 8 months ago

You're the one with all the questions. Continue on your quest.

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prospector 3 years, 8 months ago

Hey, you lit this rocket. Not liking the ride? To hot in the kitchen for you? Feeling corner? Avoiding the questions?

Do you have a grasp of what passive/aggressive is? Doubt it.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

"...So then I flagged one of the most prominate leaders to see if the LJW moderator would respond. Then I flagged the whole blog with a explanation of why I felt it was inapproriate...;"

Since you will not reveal the LJW response to you for allowing the "Stalkerish" blog to remain, make your case here. Tell us why you felt it is inappropriate.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

Understanding P/A is difficult.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

You sure are spending alot of time trying to figure this out.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

"...I saw the names of former profiles and real names being posted in a attempt tp finger who was to blame. "

Mission Accomplished!

"...I saw was myself and others freely discussing..."

When you can't flag them, join them.

"...I watched as the initiater continued to defend her/his right and I saw profiles that I haven't seen for a long time coming out like ants at a picnic...."

I looked at the posts and every single one is a regular, frequent poster. Under P/A, see delusional.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

You could not get the "Stalkerish" behavior blog banned, as you expressed you had with an explanation. Would you be so kind to share the LJW's reasons or response to you as to why it was staying up.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

The power is limited to what you allow. Not to worry now the scrammble begins for validity. It is all in the mind I tell you, all in the mind.

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Kris_H 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm not really a part of all this as I don't post on LJW online much, but wow. For just a minute, I'll be a part of it.

This is an internet forum/blog place with limited readership, yet someone thinks there is "power" associated with it.

Power? What power would that be? What is the significance of this "power?"

Ultimately, if you aren't discussing some real issue, there is nothing here but smoke, mirrors, and puppets on strings.

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pagan_idolator 3 years, 9 months ago

So who were the other three people who got the message from artichokeheart? Anyone? Anyone?

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consumer1 3 years, 9 months ago

Youa are welcome, I guess I didn't realize you were asking me for an answer. Sorry. Con1

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consumer1 3 years, 9 months ago

Verity, When I first began posting on here, my intentions were sincere and somewhat Niavte (sp?). It didn't take long to find out there are are some very mean spirited folks out there who like nuting better than to try and feel superiour to others. They do this by slanderous comments, ganging up on an individual, hurtful tactics designed to humiliate another. So, I come from an Scot-Irish background and decided I was done trying to comment from a casual perspective. I go for blood now whenever I see one of these heartless Psuedo intellects trying to control and undermine the intent of other posters. There are posters on here who probably have an orgasm because they get the chance to correct someone's grammar. this is shallow, mean spirited and downright cowardess. So. I look to aggravate them.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

consumer1, nothing wrong with cleaver, nefarious is my beef. What you describe sounds to me to be Machiavellian. If it is an end to their means, they run with it. The true P/A does not see it, while the trolls/bullies work it to there advantage.

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consumer1 3 years, 9 months ago

P/A hmmm, I wonder if there isn't a fine line between being passive agressive and just thinking oneself clever? I have known plenty of people who presented themselves in a very articulate manner disguising slanderous intent, and wondered, aren't they just being passive agressive by masking their true feeling behind a barrage of psuedo intellectual bs? Or do they just deem themselves as smarter, better and superiour to others?

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beatrice 3 years, 9 months ago

Tom: "The far-left are about as unstable as you can get. OK, bring on the insults---I'm ready."

Insult people by calling them "unstable" all in an attempt to demonstrate your own stability. I believe you just defined irony.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

Yes but in the animal world they only hunt for survival. Really not the same as the internet variety.

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Boston_Corbett 3 years, 9 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

artichokeheart (anonymous) replies…

Thanks consmer but, it think I may have upset someone on here. July 23, 2010 at 10:58 a.m.

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Snort

Me think consumer1 was referring to the P/A info. Understanding P/A is helpful.

You did not write an "article". Its just a simple little opinion blog.

I am not afraid of bullies.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

I'm not affraid of wolves or stalkers.

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Boston_Corbett 3 years, 9 months ago

I do not enjoy reading stories about breastfeeding. Never have.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

"As I said I flagged your comment becuase it was a lead into more stalking of others."

"I flagged your post."

"I found them nad went on through hitting suggest removal."

"I will be flagging this post of yours too as you are using my blog to continue to harass others."

Enjoy the story

http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

"I heard i am missing a couple personas of you though."

Oh, do tell Sweetcheeks.

Voices in the head are not listed under the P/A traits listed above. That sounds more serious.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

Again.

You might have stalking mixed up with standing up to bullies in my opinion.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

This is great P keep supporting the stalking concept. I heard i am missing a couple personas of you though.

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consumer1 3 years, 9 months ago

Very good article. I have decided, it doesn't matter what you say, do, feel, smell, look like, taste like, someone is going to take exception with your comment and call you names, try to humiliate you, berate you, or just talk trash to you. That is why I always come out with serious attitude. I come out swinging! I see this as war. There are a handful of people on here who actually try to discuss, the others just cuss. even when I tried to be congenial and understanding to someone's post. There will be several posters call names, and try to belittle. I am done with trying to be nice. I know I have not been nice to too many people. But slap me once, shame on you, slap me twice shame on me. There are people who post on here who I intentionally try to aggravate. The funny part is the ones throwing the most stones are the ones who are the most fragile. That used to be me. now I am calloused and just vindictive. So, I try not to post too often.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

"As long as somebody else makes the major decisions, the passive-aggressive person will have somebody on which to place the blame if something goes wrong.

Passive-aggressive personality is listed as one of the abnormal personality disorders with the American Psychological Association. As such, people who suffer from a passive-aggressive personality have more limited abilities to reason with logical arguments and thoughts.

It is important to remember this if you encounter somebody who has this disorder. Rather than debating the person using the same methods you would use with logical person, you will need to use other types of arguments and techniques to get your point across.

Even though it is not a debilitating mental disorder, people with this disorder can prove to try your patience and cause a great deal of frustration."

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

"Dealing with passive-aggressive people

While the traits described above are many of the personality characteristics of a passive-aggressive person, there are several more. People with a passive-aggressive personality might only show a few of these characteristics or any combination of these.

If you have a relationship with one of these personalities, whether it is a coworker, a significant other, or a family member, there are some techniques you can use to deal with them.

Passive-aggressive people can be emotionally exhausting and frustrating. The following tips, however, can help you keep your sanity.

The first rule for dealing with a passive-aggressive personality is to refrain from getting into a power struggle. They have had a lifetime of practice in doing this and you probably will not win this struggle. In the end, you will likely end up being frustrated and the other person will feel like they have won a battle against you.

Next, do not let the passive-aggressive person get to you. They usually know how to get under a person’s skin and irritate them until they become frustrated.

Once you have become irritated and frustrated, you lose any edge that you may have with them. Passive-aggressive people often feel a sense of accomplishment when they get somebody frustrated with their subtle tendencies.

If you find yourself in an argument or struggle with a passive-aggressive personality, try to turn the tables on them. Describe the behavior that they are exhibiting in a calm and rational manner.

They will likely deny that they are behaving in such a way and probably say that it is merely your perception, but putting them on the defensive will often make them back down.

You can also point out the inconsistencies in their behavior or their argument. Trying to see the argument from their point of view will help you debate with them with more success.

Finally, ask the passive-aggressive person how they would solve or improve the situation. Since they are accustomed to avoiding responsibility and making decisions, they will likely avoid the opportunity to give their advice. "

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

Dealing With And Understanding Passive Aggressive People By Chad Hagy Published May 01, 2007

"...Passive-aggressive people also have a unique way of interacting with others. They may seem excessively paranoid or overly sensitive about what people are saying. They might also feel that everybody “has it in for them” and nobody wants them to be happy.

This is a way that passive-aggressive people pass off their unhappiness to outside factors rather than accepting their own ability to be happy. If they can find a way to blame others, they can shirk off the responsibility for creating their own emotions through their actions.

People who tend to be passive-aggressive are not typically open to receive suggestions for how to do things.

When a passive-aggressive person is given a suggestion or an alternative way to do something, they will generally avoid doing the task in that way out of spite for the person who gave the suggestion.

Oftentimes, passive-aggressive people will resent people who offer advice and suggestions; the people feel their way is the best way. Even if somebody offers another way, they will resist it despite the fact that it might be a better option.

You might also notice that passive-aggressive people have a tendency to be sullen and stubborn. Oftentimes, this appears to be like pouting or sulking and it can frustrate people around them. They might also be easily offended because they will take the things that people say to them and misconstrue them into a personal attack.

They do this because it puts others on the defensive that, in turn, helps them appear like a victim. Even though they tend to be overly sensitive to the things people say to them, they are often quick to point out the shortcomings of others.

Passive-aggressive personalities also have a fear of intimacy. For them, intimacy is a sign of dependency and they do not like to feel dependent on anybody or anything.

Passive-aggressive people are generally self-dependent and they prefer to make their own decisions without input from others. Although they often involve themselves in relationships, both intimate and platonic, their negativist personality traits tend to be an obstacle that presents itself.

In addition to the disdain towards intimacy and dependency, passive-aggressive personalities do not communicate well. This trait plays into a type of self-fulfilling prophecy. "

http://www.lifescript.com/Soul/Self/Motivation/Dealing_With_And_Understanding_Passive_Aggressive_People.aspx

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 9 months ago

Today is the birthday of Don Drysdale.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

Do you like the group Black Flag?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wizKUrUgFOw

Bert got nothing on them.

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RETICENT_IRREVERENT 3 years, 9 months ago

On this day in 1929 the Fascist government in Italy bans the use of foreign words.

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

artichokeheart (anonymous) replies…

BTW I looked that up & there is page not found under one and the other is a letter to the editor. Not sure what your point is but like I said; face your demons and move on. July 23, 2010 at 8:49 a.m.

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The teacher incident

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/may/23/lhs_assistant_principal_arrested_dui/#c152563

The Doggy incident

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2006/aug/28/resident_sound_dog_ordinance/#c206823

You're welcome for the assistance.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for you observations g _rock but I'm only trying to point out injustice on forums. Prosepector just came on here & tried to start another fight with another poster. I see alot of ancient history on here. Come to terms with your demons it and move on.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

Please don't stalk on my blog. I flagged your post.

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g_rock 3 years, 9 months ago

I stand by my statement that the internet does not revolve around you or the other poster. You both are attentionwh*ring. You make a great team!

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prospector 3 years, 9 months ago

Oak etal never did try to endear herself to anyone. I can think of at least 6 people that were told "Go to Hell" by her.

If you have been here for years surely you recall the 150+ posts on one article by enforcer slandering a school official before being dumped. Also, this person, verified as Kathy Gragg, stated about a police officer that was doing his official duty, shooting a dangerous dog, would suffer ten fold for his actions, along with his children and imagined it was a "Christian" thing to wish on someone. Warped and very sad is all I can say.

You might have stalking mixed up with standing up to bullies in my opinion.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

The funniest part was that the worst one's flocked to that blog like it was the mothership, then proceeded to publicly stalk randomly.

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Ralph Reed 3 years, 9 months ago

Right on the money Artichokeheart. I post with my real name & have been stalked here & in real life because of what I say. Not much more I can add to that. Well done.

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Ralph Reed 3 years, 9 months ago

Right on the money Artichokeheart. I post with my real name & have been stalked here & in real life because of what I say. Not much more I can add to that. Well done.

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Amy Heeter 3 years, 9 months ago

Nope stalkerish is finding a needle in a haystack at 1:58 in the morning just so you could call it stalkerish. Now go find the other hidden treasures.m And,peace be with you.

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Benjamin Roberts 3 years, 9 months ago

"...Four days ago I sent 4 messages out randomly to profiles that have engaged in baiting or mocking behaviors against others. I implied that they may have participated in inappropriate exchanges 'stalkerish'..."

This sounds inappropriate and "stalkerish."

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