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Science Has Found God

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Or has God found science?
Officials at the CERN particle accelerator (the largest nuclear reactor in the world) have announced that they have found and identified the Higgs boson. The boson was nicknamed "the God particle" because it is the particle that, quite literally, holds matter together. Without it there would be no planets, no stars, no galaxies. It is the very foundation of the entire universe.
The news raced around the world last night as physicists at CERN tweeted the discovery.

Let's update the scoreboard, shall we?

Science -1 Fundies -0

Comments

RoeDapple 2 years, 4 months ago

Oh now Cait, He wouldn't have let us find it if He didn't want us to, . . . would He?

Surely we can now find a way to obliterate ourselves with it. Been nice knowin' y'all!

Flap Doodle 2 years, 4 months ago

Or perhaps not. " ...First, a bit of history. The Nobel Laureate Leon Lederman coined the phrase "The God Particle" as the title of his otherwise excellent book as a way of underscoring how essential the Higgs is in our Standard Model of Physics. You can get away with that sort of hype when you're a Nobel prize winner. It also sold roughly 10 gajillion copies. He also got cutesy afterwards, and used to semi-seriously defend the name by saying that the publisher wouldn't let him call it the goddamn particle.... " http://io9.com/5923170/stop-calling-it-the-god-particle

FloridaSunshine 2 years, 4 months ago

:~)

Can't get the "thumbs-up" to work for me...keeps sending me back to "Login"...over and over and over...

Flap Doodle 2 years, 4 months ago

This may come as a dreadful shock to you, cait. Erwin Rommel was actually a human being, not a fox.

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

This may come as a dreadful shock to you, snap, but I don't take kindly to being gaslighted. (I suggest you look up the term.) Do this again and I will call you on it again. I am an intelligent, adult woman. Your attempts to marginalize me only make you look foolish.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 4 months ago

Mistaking a nickname for the actual nature of something marginalizes you more than I'd ever dream of doing.

rockchalker52 2 years, 4 months ago

R_I, buy Him a compass or a GPS or sumthin'

Cait McKnelly 2 years, 4 months ago

The Higgs boson underscores the Big Bang theory. Obviously, the BB will always remain a "theory" because there's no way to replicate it. But finding the Higgs has made a tremendous leap toward proving it.

classclown 2 years, 4 months ago

cait48 1 hour, 19 minutes ago

This may come as a dreadful shock to you, snap, but I don't take kindly to being gaslighted. (I suggest you look up the term.) Do this again and I will call you on it again. I am an intelligent, adult woman. Your attempts to marginalize me only make you look foolish

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hahahahahaha

Your commenting history suggests otherwise.

An actual intelligent woman would know that gaslighting is not happening here. I suggest that YOU look up the term. Ironic that you call another person foolish based on their comments.

laphroaig 2 years, 4 months ago

For accuracy:

-The Large Hadron Collider is the largest particle accelerator in the world. -CERN is the European Council for Nuclear Research. -They announced that they've found a sub-atomic particle with a mass consistent with what is expected of the Standard Model Higgs Boson. Whether it is the SM Higgs, or another particle with the same mass, has yet to be determined.

It is certainly amazing science, but, as with all science, really has nothing to say about god.

notaubermime 2 years, 4 months ago

First off, your pharynx requires constant maintenance. That is why the tissue is alive and supplied with blood vessels.

I can tell you what it would take to impress me. How about a system where the tube to the respiratory tract (trachea) is separate from the tube to the digestive tract (esophagus) the entire way. That way, you don't have to hold your breath to swallow, nor do you have to rely on a flap of tissue that frequently covers the wrong hole.

Kirk Larson 2 years, 4 months ago

And that kills thousands when food is lodged in it.

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

There ain't no Devil / It's just God when he's drunk -- Tom Waits

DillonBarnes 2 years, 4 months ago

Who would put an amusement park next to a sewage handling plant?

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Our Lord, who art the tiniest particle that draws together the stuff that makes atoms, miniscule be thy name...

jonas_opines 2 years, 4 months ago

"It is certainly amazing science, but, as with all science, really has nothing to say about god."

Quite. Because there's really exactly One reason to believe in a God: desire. If you want there to be a god, then there will be a god, which makes all of this trying-to-disprove him business exceptionally pointless, and to my mind pollutes and dirties science just as much as religion meddling in politics dirties gods and religions.

Science and religion/spirituality deal with different aspects of humanity, and frankly you could spend your entire frickin' life trying to scientifically document the physical "how" we came into existence and became self-aware, and be left with no answers at all as to what we do with that existence and self-awareness. Which may not necessitate a god for everybody, but it does necessitate Something.

notaubermime 2 years, 4 months ago

Indeed, the act of trying to rationally disprove religion is just as vain as trying to rationally prove religion. It is perhaps ironic that Richard Dawkins' claims on Christianity are so similar in their lack of validity to the arguments that Pat Robertson makes on atheists.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 4 months ago

In other news, lightning bugs do not actually contain lightning.

KSense 2 years, 4 months ago

Question: So this thing holds matter together. So we've discovered it. What exactly (all Evolution verses Creationism aside) does this mean for science and humans now and in the future?

Jeff Barclay 2 years, 4 months ago

Higgs boson or God Particle.? We can call "it" whatever we want. Ancient books call them different things. I was going through an old sacred writing the other day and read this- "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth,visible and invisible... and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.," (Colossians 1:16-17) Can anyone tell me who "he" is? People tell me this is from the 1st century AD. Maybe the ancients understood visible and invisible matter better than we have supposed. What if the glue (God particle) is actually an extension of God?

KSense 2 years, 4 months ago

It's awesome if you think about it. It's like Laminin. Only it's the Laminin of the universe!

beatrice 2 years, 4 months ago

Another attack against people who don't believe as you do. Gee, what a surprise.

Flap Doodle 2 years, 4 months ago

Don't get all inflamed just yet. "... But is this the Higgs boson?

The honest answer is: We don't know yet. We know that the particle in question is a boson, one of the two fundamental classes of elementary particles and the type generally associated with carrying force. We know this, because of the newly discovered particle's diphotonic decay — simply meaning that it decays into a pair of photons, which is something only bosons do. And of course, the mass range of 125-126 GeV is in line with what we expected for the Higgs boson — after all, that's why ATLAS and CMS were looking there in the first place. That, as CMS spokesperson Joe Incandela pointed out today, makes this particle the heaviest boson ever found.

But the Higgs should have a bunch of unique properties that have yet to be confirmed. The most important of these is that its spin value is 0, unlike any known particle. We don't yet know the spin of this new particle. If it's 0, then that goes a long way to confirming that this is indeed the Higgs. If its spin is some other value, then there's a near endless supply of other hypothetical particles it could be. The odds are probably still pretty good that we're looking at the Higgs here, but it certainly can't be taken for granted..."

http://io9.com/5923494/what-todays-higgs-boson-discovery-really-means

notaubermime 2 years, 4 months ago

Science 1, fundies 0, huh? I wasn't aware that there was a large fundamentalist Christian opposition to the existence of the Higgs Boson. I also don't think that you can scoreboard a competition between science and evangelical Christianity mainly because they don't play on the same field.

classclown 2 years, 4 months ago

notaubermime 2 hours, 11 minutes ago

Science 1, fundies 0, huh? I wasn't aware that there was a large fundamentalist Christian opposition to the existence of the Higgs Boson. I also don't think that you can scoreboard a competition between science and evangelical Christianity mainly because they don't play on the same field.

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Look at the source of the blog and then you can understand the idiocy behind it. She has the ability to make inane comments such as that one down to a science. Which is as scientific as she'll ever be.

classclown 2 years, 4 months ago

tange 2 hours, 27 minutes ago

So, that image at the top of this page... spin art?

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I'm thinking that perhaps someone left the crayons within reach.

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