Obama Just Won Re-election

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I'm sure every religious right wingnut and Teapublican is screaming from here to Timbuktu. Frankly m'dear, I don't give a damn. There's many a woman that can sleep easier in her bed tonight and may end up staying alive because of it.
Now how's that again? There's no "War on Women" in the GOP? Say that a little louder, please.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

"Now how's that again?"

Why did they not vote for it? Maybe there was a kennedy amendment that said if you drown a woman, being drunk and rich is an adequate defense. That wouldn't be really great, would it?

You are saying something did not happen and that lack of action supports an assertion, but you are either ignoring or just don't care to say why the action never occurred.

"religious right wingnut and Teapublican"

Eat some ice cream. It will make you feel better. Better yet, try some gelato. There's a shop downtown that sells it. Somebody here knows the name of the place.

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

You really don't know how to respond to this, do you, L275?
Dragging up something that happened 40+ years ago - check
Refusing to admit that a political party could do something in concert for the sole reason of obstructing another party - check
Ending up with a nice little piece of gaslighting -check
Typical L275 response -check

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

So why did they not vote for whatever violence against women law? I don't know of anyone that doesn't believe assaulting a woman should be a felony, left, right, libertarian, whatever.

There has to be a reason they decided to not vote, but I doubt it has anything to do with not wanting to punish people that commit violent acts against women. You apparently don't care and would rather post hysterics.

Try the gelato. Seriously, it's really good.

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Check out Katara's response just below the Truman photo. She spells it out in small words and little sentences for you. I don't need to reinvent the wheel.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Yeah, you left out the part about giving visas to illegal aliens. I figured it was something like that.

How is that a war against women?

parrothead8 9 months, 2 weeks ago

They voted to not renew the Violence Against Women Act. That's how it's a war against women.

Kathy Getto 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Nicely done, cait!!
This, coupled with Mitt the Twitt's choice for his running mate....... The gifts from the extremists just keep coming!!

Frankie8 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Well, that sounds like a line from The Campaign, I have never read anything sillier. Unless they had a seance and talked to the Ghost of Ted Kennedy and frankly, I don't think he would go for such an amendment. It was a mistake that he made a lot of years ago. He didn't drown anyone, it was an accident, doesn't he deserve forgiveness as we would like to be forgiven if something that terrible happened to us? He was a great senator who truly cared about the people that he served, about the whole country for that matter. If Ted Kennedy were alive today he would be at the forefront of those advocating for the Violence Against Women Act.

jafs 9 months, 2 weeks ago

It was an accident, but there's some evidence that if he had called 911 rather than fleeing the scene, she might not have died.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

His brother would have went back and got her out himself.

camper 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Really goin to the bottom of the barrel bringing up the Ted Kennedy thing.

snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 2 weeks ago

In other Democrat's War on Women news: http://news.yahoo.com/pelosi-gives-senate-democrats-pay-women-less-pass-182037278.html

PamelaWatters 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I just listened to it, Pelosi said, but not in the way they state it. She was saying that the Senate is a different world from the House & she couldn't speak to that. I would imagine that the Paycheck Fairness Act would apply to the government, as well.

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

This article was written on a slant for the sole purpose of slamming Pelosi. I would suggest that if anyone actually goes to this link that they watch the video (and judge for themselves) what she actually said.

PamelaWatters 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The story is a distraction to take away from the point of the PFA.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

And your "article" was written for what purpose?

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I'd say this is a strawman fail.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

More like you lying by ommision.

Did_I_say_that 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

They opposed it because it had new language in it that included LGBT folks and it allows temporary visas to undocumented immigrants. It also expanded services to Native American women on reservations and women in rural areas.

I was under the impression that reducing violence against ALL women is a good thing but the Republicans obviously think that only certain groups of women are worthy of protecting.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

"it allows temporary visas to undocumented immigrants"

What does that gave to do with violence against women? Why is that part of a bill aimed at reducing violence against women?

While I prefer a more open-border policy than conservatives, I can see why they didn't vote for the bill as it is polluted by an issue that is irrelevant to the overall bill.

That's akin to a bill increasing funding for schools and allowing the Canadian pipeline. Would you vote for such a bill? Are you against increased school budgets?

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

"temporary" being the key word.

How hard would it be to prosecute the abuser if the person being abused was deported?

Pretty convenient for the defendant if you ask me... I guess since the woman you beat is no longer in the country then you can get off free and clear, ya know that whole "right to face your accuser" 6th Amendment thingy.

So tell me, why are the Republicans ok with women beaters getting off scot-free because the accuser was deported when we could issue a temporary visa allowing them to stay long enough to see the person prosecuted?

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Also, when the victim gets deported, she usually loses access to her children. Those children may still get left with the abuser. Why would Republicans want to leave children in an abusive situation? This can happen when the abuser is a U.S. citizen and the woman is an undocumented immigrant.

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I believe a judge can rule all parties in a lawsuit must remain in the jurisdiction. You don't need a visa if a judge has ruled you must remain in jurisdiction.

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I believe you are wrong.

Here's a case in which the judge stated he had no power to stop the deportation of five witnesses to a crime.

Paragraph 10: http://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/595/595.F2d.116.78-1352.524.html

Liberty275 9 months, 2 weeks ago

If that be the case then there is no choice but to grant a visa but it should be valid only during the period of the trial.

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

I agree. However, the visa provision has been on the books since 2000.

They're called U visas and they're good for only 4 years and only up to 10,000 are granted a year.

So why, all of a sudden, are the Republicans against something that's been law 12 years?

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Undocumented immigrants were immigrants that were allowed here already on a visa (student, migrant worker, etc) and overstayed the visa. They also include victims of human trafficking. I would think you would understand why those groups of women are so vulnerable to domestic violence and I would think you would understand why those groups of women don't have the recourse that female U.S. citizens have.

It really doesn't make sense to deny a temporary visa to a woman who is trying to escape abuse. People who are within our borders get to have our protection (police, medical help, etc) while they are here. We don't leave tourists to fend for themselves when something happens to them while visiting but the difference is that tourists have a much greater chance of having recourse against their abusers in the home country.

Additionally. there is nothing in the language that grants the woman a permanent visa or citizenship. They still have to go through the normal channels to gain those.

I think the inclusion of undocumented immigrants was probably a lesser factor in opposing it than the inclusion of LGBT folks.

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The Senate has a different version.

camper 9 months, 2 weeks ago

But deportations have increased under President Obama.

jhawkinsf 9 months, 2 weeks ago

And at the rate they're being deported, they'll all be gone in a century. Assuming not a single one enters. Yes, yes, job well done.

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

57% more deportations per month than under GWB. Hmmm.

snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Oh, do let us revisit this example of hysterical hubris in a few weeks to see how reality matched up with cait's prediction. There's every possibility major LOLZ will occur. (from a source)

Pastor_Bedtime 9 months, 2 weeks ago

"hysterical" is a quite poor choice of words here, don't you think?

snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 2 weeks ago

It's exactly the word I chose to use.

Pastor_Bedtime 9 months, 2 weeks ago

My point exactly. Shows resentment toward women, which I guess is another plank of your platform.

Agnostick 9 months, 2 weeks ago

snap_pop_no_crackle 9 hours, 50 minutes ago

"Oh, do let us revisit this example of hysterical hubris in a few weeks to see how reality matched up with cait's prediction. There's every possibility major LOLZ will occur. (from a source)"

Noted!

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Ah. So no credit for any of the good things done under his watch, but full blame for the things done wrong (for example Fast and Furious).

snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 2 weeks ago

It's also worth noting that despite the recent discovery of what may be the Higgs Boson, organized religion has not collapsed.

Glenn Reed 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Heheh.... this one gives me the giggles... seriously... you must be joking...

The idea that your faith gives you the power to disregard a fact does nothing to make the fact any less factual.

I imagine someone might have said something similar when questions came up about the earth being flat or spherical.

Organized religion has a long history of ignoring reality. It's difficult to convince someone that 2+2= 4 when they spent their life thinking that 2+2=5. Particularly when a society provides penalties, like excommunication, for asking such questions.

Armstrong 9 months, 2 weeks ago

How's life in the bubble today ?

Glenn Reed 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Bubble? Stealing content from Bill Maher doesn't say much for your creativity.

Armstrong, saying someone's in a "bubble" suggests that they're immune to new information.

Snap's comment could be restated as: "Even with the constant discoveries science makes, organized religion is strong!" Which is as close to saying "I'm in a world-view bubble" as one can get.

If you disagree with someone, form a cogent argument to counter them. Get evidence, preferably empirical evidence from good sources.

Just using the word "bubble" without defining which "bubble" you're talking about makes you look like an idiot. I'm trying to help you out here....

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

He allowed the states to try things that would work to increase employment. He didn't gut the work requirement. The same requirement is still there but states have more flexibility in developing something that meets it better.

This is a good thing.

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

You are incorrect. Education programs and job training programs already count toward that work requirement and have since the 1996 bill was passed. Those are good things. You want a person to have the skills needed to obtain employment.

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

"gutting the work requirement in welfare reform"

A straight up unabashed lie.

Work requirements are not simply being dropped. States may now change the requirements — revising, adding or eliminating them — as part of a federally approved state-specific plan to increase job placement.

I thought the GOP was big on states rights and allowing them to operate without onerous federal regulations.

By the way, this flexibility given to the states, was backed by Romney in 2005- as well as Jeb Bush, Mike Huckabee, Tim Pawlenty and many other Republicans.

Pay attention to the paragraph title State Flexibility: http://blogs-images.forbes.com/rickungar/files/2012/08/prg052605a-41.pdf

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

One of Mitt the Twit's signature lies. How's that KoolAid going down?

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/07/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obamas-plan-abandons-tenet/

Politifact says your pants are on fire, rockchalk 1977.

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

402 is the section that has the work requirement, while 407 contains the details.

You just proved you are lying since 402 wasn't the section that was waived, and 402 is the section that contains the work requirement.

camper 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The idea was to give the States more say in their requirements.

Armstrong 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Barry, buying one welfare vote at a time. Unfortunate he has a large purchase to make since taking office.

Guardian 9 months, 2 weeks ago

The Liberal desperation is running rampant.

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Notice how the conservatives on this board aren't calling out the Republican legislators for voting no in this law... instead they're deflecting the conversation to things other than violence against women.

Very telling.

Either they don't care that women should be protected against violence or there is no defense for the conservatives who voted against its passage.

cait48 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Like I said in my response to L275, they really don't know HOW to respond to this. If they defend their senators, they come off looking like they're defending "wife beaters". If they don't defend them, then they're being traitors. It's the classic rock and a hard place. So they spin and twirl and bring in every strawman they can think of to deflect attention away from the point of the law. I really hate myself for it but, frankly, I'm rather enjoying the schadenfreude.

Katara 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Exactly, vertigo.

vertigo 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Your comment just shows your ignorance on what this law does.

Agnostick 9 months, 2 weeks ago

This is really the only thing worth remembering:

by Agnostick

Remember that day? Remember how much our world changed in a few short hours? In a matter of minutes?

And there's how many weeks until Election Day...???

snap_pop_no_crackle 9 months, 2 weeks ago

ag, you think the Democrats are going to crash airliners into skyscrapers? Dude, that's harsh even for you!

Armstrong 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Snap, Snap, Snap. D's can't win an election in Kansas, why do you think they could fly a plane ?

Guardian 9 months, 2 weeks ago

Maybe, just maybe, a couple of reasons the Republicans did not vote on the issue are; 1.) because they thought it redundant to pass a law making an already illegal act illegal, and 2.) maybe they realized what the bill really is...a ploy for The Narcissist in Chief to sucker in the women voters. The sheep are drinking the Kool-Aid.

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