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Why didn't you make it go away Mr. President?

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The United States government raised a 2,700 ton ballistic missile carrying Soviet submarine (possibly completely intact) that was over 300 feet long and from a depth of 16,500 feet under the Pacific Ocean in 1974, over 1,500 miles from the nearest land, but today our government is powerless when it comes to stopping an oil leak 5,000 ft under the ocean? The United States Navy was able to splice into Soviet deep sea communication cables with high tech submarines in the 1960's, even hijacking some of their lines to spread misinformation, but today our government is incapable of splicing into a leaking oil line?

What is wrong with this picture?

One of the greatest technological achievements since putting a man on the moon and at the secrecy level of the Manhattan project with the assistance of Howard Hughes as a cover, makes for a very interesting story. http://www.projectjennifer.at/

It's quite obvious the Obama Administration did not do enough. Why does he get a pass on the worst environmental disaster in our nation's history? He has the resources to make the problem go away, yet he did not/has not utilized them. Why not?

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George Lippencott 3 years, 10 months ago

beatrice (anonymous) replies… “George, somehow I don't think that "reaping what you sow" is the same as becoming that which you hate.”

I wish people were better than that but the underlying issue to me is an attempt to discredit a political party and associated ideology. That was my perception of much of what happened to Bush and the Republican Party (deserved or not) and that IMHO is what is now happening to Mr. Obama.

Capturing the right to rule seems to bring a lot of opportunity not only to advance an ideology but also to "buy" voters and reach for the Holy Grail – assured majority status. The stakes have become very high so IMHO unless we reform our system "what you sees is what you gets"!

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independant1 3 years, 10 months ago

Blame? offshore drilling in deep water, as opposed to shallow off shore drilling - easier to exploit or drilling on land

I forgot, oil, capitalism, large corporations are inherently evil. We need more big gov't less big business.

But big bidness provides alot of jobs, good jobs.

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bearded_gnome 3 years, 10 months ago

Brother Prune, small correction, the Glomar Explorer (sp?) didn't get all of that soviet sub, got a big chunk of it along with a dozen or so of soviet sailors' bodies. they were given a proper sea burrial.


Mr. Obama did fail in this response. it was in the plan for response to such a major spill to burn the oil, this was in federal waters, the feds were the first responders unlike Katrina.
instead Mr. Obama, Homeland security secretary Butch, big Al Salizar, et al resorted to the totally inadequate chemical dispersants.

furthermore, Louisiana was pushing hard to build little islands or berms.
Mr. Obama could have short circuited the "environmental impact" studies and waved them the go ahead. he did not.

now he has his AG down there in the midst of the disaster starting to investigate for the blame game, distracting from the effort to stop the flow and mitigate the problem.


sorry, liberals were blaming GWB for Katrina. many blamed Katrina on the fake myth of manmade global warming. they connected that to bush regarding Kyoto. yes, many did blame bush for katrina.
same nnymrods also said there would be many more Katrinas after that, lol.

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Liberty275 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm no fan of obama by any stretch of the imagination, but there is nothing he, the navy nor the coast guard could or can do about the spill other than help with mitigation. Laying any part of the gulf catastrophe at the feet of mr obama is as dumb as accusing dubya of bombing levees following the new orleans hurricane.

Go after obama for his constant lies, socialist leanings and the health care fiasco purchased with liberal corruption, not for this.

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George Lippencott 3 years, 10 months ago

The tool used to harvest half the soviet sub is long since gone. It took a while to design and build it the first time. Other major federal projects took from a year to four to execute. The etechnology being used by BP in part originates with the Navy. It is just plain wrong to suggest that Mr. Obama could have done something of that nature in the time we have had.

BP has the tools and the expertise to do what needs to be done to address the leak. The administration is doing a proper job of oversight. (It probably could have done better before the fact but that is water (oil) over the dam). I am not so sure about the clean up as we seem to have conflicting priorities but I just do not know enough right now to throw rocks. The consequence of the decision to stop all drilling (even in shallow water) has ldled many oil company employees along the gulf. That may have been counter-productive but again I lack sufficient data.

My biggest problem is with the press. They seem to be very busy throwing rocks rather than providiing meaningful, accurate and comprehensive information. Too much politics and not enough action. It us just too early to find fault - our efforts should be on working together to find solutions.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 10 months ago

And good evening. You superstars play nice now. What about that humidity outside.....backyard parties, humidity, beer and mosquitos live unprecedented!

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 10 months ago

Hey there tange. How do you know you or me or any other tom dick or harry would still be breathing were it not for W? How do you know a damn thing for that matter? Are you an idiot savant, or just the first part?

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 10 months ago

Let me clarify, my "political" views of Obama. I've stated before and will re-state, I think he is a sophisticated and polished man----as is his wife---a polished woman. They have a lovely family. I don't fully blame Obama either, as you know I detest Pelosi and Reid. I am not even convinced that Obama is on the same page as them. I know the far-left is playing a very tough game of tug-o-war with Obama. His administration is suffering due to this. This is shown in the polls. The far-left needs to back off. Was there any posts from the rabid Bush haters that could claim similar words as I just wrote regarding W? I doubt it. It was unrelenting hatred for that man.

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tange 3 years, 10 months ago

[tangecho]

BigPrune: "What is wrong with this picture?"

You drew it with a crayon.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 10 months ago

You can believe whatever you want, bea. I could care less what color he is. I was just as hard or harder on Clinton during his disgraceful presidency. But Obama? He has raised the bar on disgraceful, presidentially speaking. And I am as hard or harder on the exceedingly disgusting and disgraceful Reid and Pelosi. I think an (R) congress could rehab Obama; get him thinking more clearly. He has the brains, he is just misguided.

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Bob Kraxner 3 years, 10 months ago

It stands to reason that the more oil lost to the sea (wasted) would mean the more precious a commodity it will become, the less known reserves will remain, and the price will naturally skyrocket, due to the greed of the big oil companies. The higher the price the more money the government will get, one way or another.

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Tom Shewmon 3 years, 10 months ago

BigPrune....the obvious. Obama and his radical bunch wanted this to try and prove how they could shut down and impede our oil drilling. Afterall, this has been the most drastic measure this mofo of a joke of a prez has done: to try and stop drilling indefinitely. Go figure? Uh-huh.

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Flap Doodle 3 years, 10 months ago

"The inside story of how Obama failed to crack down on the corruption of the Bush years – and let the world's most dangerous oil company get away with murder" Read it all at: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0#

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denak 3 years, 10 months ago

Ok BP, what would you have done?????

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tange 3 years, 10 months ago

BigPrune: "What is wrong with this picture?"

You drew it with a crayon.

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bennyoates 3 years, 10 months ago

If Obama would've used the federal government to take care of the oil spill and work some magic that Tiny Raisin claims he wants (he doesn't, really--he loves the spill because it gives him yet another chance to whine and condemn the current administration), then it would've been very expensive for taxpayers. I have no problem with helping pay, but Tiny Raisin would. He thinks Obama, the Democrats, and the IRS are worse than Cambodia's Khmer Rouge.

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bennyoates 3 years, 10 months ago

"Even Colin Powell says..."

Given Tiny Raisin's history on these boards, I have to wonder what's behind his choice of words here.

Maybe he thinks those darker types always stick together and he's marveling that General Powell is being critical of a brother...

And then the thing about Obama getting a "free pass"...

Folks, here we have someone, Tiny Raisin, nursing so many wounds to his pride, devoting his life to showing the world how much of a victimized political prisoner he is these days, that he has actually convinced himself that the President is getting a "free pass" over the spill...

That's one reason you'll never be a real threat, Tiny Raisin...you're just too clueless...you are pitiable in the extreme and you've sunk to a new low with this blog and your unbelievably stupid responses on the thread.

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tomatogrower 3 years, 10 months ago

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/06/spill-oil-bp/1

BP is planning to sell oil collected from the spill. That's probably why they aren't too concerned about capping it. It sure seems like a lot of their methods for stopping the spill have been done with the idea of opening it back up later to get the oil. That's probably why everything has been so ineffective. Must protect as many profits as possible, at any cost. Your wonderful god fearing capitalist mega corporations could care less about you, about the country, or about the environment. You conservatives are putting all your sympathy to a cold corporation, and putting the blame on the President. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Technology can't solve all the problems. Yes, they should just take over the rig from BP and send in government engineers, because BP engineers are looking out for profits and not the Gulf. Kill the Gulf, then there is no reason not to drill everywhere in the Gulf, because it's already dead. Of course if the government takes over BP all of you conservatives will start crying socialism. Whine, whine, but no solutions.

I will agree with you on one thing. Obama needed and needs to do more. First, they should have taken over BP completely. BP is even thinking of paying stock dividends!!! Take over the company now! Get military engineers in there to cap that leak without any thought of saving the oil, or being able to get it out again. Use all BP's assets to help with clean up and pay for the lives they have ruined. Stop all off shore drill rigs until the can be examined by real engineers who don't have anything to gain from overlooking problems. It's time to take over BP completely.

And don't start up about how people criticized Bush for Katrina. You have turned around the criticism of his hiring an incompetent person to run FEMA into a silly assumption that we blamed a president for a hurricane. More weird logic.

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thuja 3 years, 10 months ago

Another idiot.

Yeah, all the problems created by countless corporations, interests, and individuals are all Obama's fault. Sure.

You are just stirring the sludge.

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beatrice 3 years, 10 months ago

Obama can stop it if he wanted to, but he is choosing not to. Is that really what you just wrote? That is as stupid as saying George Bush helped plan the 9/11 attacks. No President wants to harm the nation. That is just another ridiculous un-American rant from a right wing fool who earlier ran a blog entry claiming that Democrats were supposed to vote on a different day then Republicans. The LJWorld should have shut him down for that one. This blogger hates America, hates elections, and obviously hates reason.

What is it about conservatives that scream how they want government to get out of the way of government, as Cindy McCain called for at the most recent Republican National Convention, but when business screws up conservatives are now screaming for the government to do something about it!

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic and predictable.

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verity 3 years, 10 months ago

OK, I clicked onto this just to see who wrote it.

I won't make conjectures about technology as I don't know much about underwater oil drilling techniques and "I bet the military could've done something" doesn't really qualify as meaningful information.

But "Obama . . . gets a free pass."? Are you freaking kidding me? What universe are you living in?

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BigPrune 3 years, 10 months ago

I bet the military could've done something. Even Colin Powell said he should've involved the military. Instead Obama leaves it up to BP to make the problem go away and he gets a free pass.

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Paul Decelles 3 years, 10 months ago

Well you know if you don't have the equipment in place for a particular problem then you can't respond to the problem. Also I think it is a bit simplistic to blame Obama for something that has been ignored over several administrations. I do fault Obama for buying into BP's initial low ball estimates of the amount of oil being released from the spill.

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grammaddy 3 years, 10 months ago

I'm sure that if the technology were available, it would have been used.Your theories sound great on paper, but those seldom translate well in real life. Please stop blaming this epic failure on Obama. He's an attorney who is currently the POTUS, He's not an engineer.Blame Bush/Cheney for the de-regulating that made it possible for BP to lie their way through this. BAN OFF-SHORE DRILLING NOW!!!

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