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Why didn't you make it go away Mr. President?

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The United States government raised a 2,700 ton ballistic missile carrying Soviet submarine (possibly completely intact) that was over 300 feet long and from a depth of 16,500 feet under the Pacific Ocean in 1974, over 1,500 miles from the nearest land, but today our government is powerless when it comes to stopping an oil leak 5,000 ft under the ocean? The United States Navy was able to splice into Soviet deep sea communication cables with high tech submarines in the 1960's, even hijacking some of their lines to spread misinformation, but today our government is incapable of splicing into a leaking oil line?

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One of the greatest technological achievements since putting a man on the moon and at the secrecy level of the Manhattan project with the assistance of Howard Hughes as a cover, makes for a very interesting story. http://www.projectjennifer.at/

It's quite obvious the Obama Administration did not do enough. Why does he get a pass on the worst environmental disaster in our nation's history? He has the resources to make the problem go away, yet he did not/has not utilized them. Why not?

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grammaddy 4 years, 6 months ago

I'm sure that if the technology were available, it would have been used.Your theories sound great on paper, but those seldom translate well in real life. Please stop blaming this epic failure on Obama. He's an attorney who is currently the POTUS, He's not an engineer.Blame Bush/Cheney for the de-regulating that made it possible for BP to lie their way through this. BAN OFF-SHORE DRILLING NOW!!!

Paul Decelles 4 years, 6 months ago

Well you know if you don't have the equipment in place for a particular problem then you can't respond to the problem. Also I think it is a bit simplistic to blame Obama for something that has been ignored over several administrations. I do fault Obama for buying into BP's initial low ball estimates of the amount of oil being released from the spill.

BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

I bet the military could've done something. Even Colin Powell said he should've involved the military. Instead Obama leaves it up to BP to make the problem go away and he gets a free pass.

verity 4 years, 6 months ago

OK, I clicked onto this just to see who wrote it.

I won't make conjectures about technology as I don't know much about underwater oil drilling techniques and "I bet the military could've done something" doesn't really qualify as meaningful information.

But "Obama . . . gets a free pass."? Are you freaking kidding me? What universe are you living in?

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

Obama can stop it if he wanted to, but he is choosing not to. Is that really what you just wrote? That is as stupid as saying George Bush helped plan the 9/11 attacks. No President wants to harm the nation. That is just another ridiculous un-American rant from a right wing fool who earlier ran a blog entry claiming that Democrats were supposed to vote on a different day then Republicans. The LJWorld should have shut him down for that one. This blogger hates America, hates elections, and obviously hates reason.

What is it about conservatives that scream how they want government to get out of the way of government, as Cindy McCain called for at the most recent Republican National Convention, but when business screws up conservatives are now screaming for the government to do something about it!

This would be funny if it weren't so pathetic and predictable.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

get out of the way of business, that is

tomatogrower 4 years, 6 months ago

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/greenhouse/post/2010/06/spill-oil-bp/1

BP is planning to sell oil collected from the spill. That's probably why they aren't too concerned about capping it. It sure seems like a lot of their methods for stopping the spill have been done with the idea of opening it back up later to get the oil. That's probably why everything has been so ineffective. Must protect as many profits as possible, at any cost. Your wonderful god fearing capitalist mega corporations could care less about you, about the country, or about the environment. You conservatives are putting all your sympathy to a cold corporation, and putting the blame on the President. Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

Technology can't solve all the problems. Yes, they should just take over the rig from BP and send in government engineers, because BP engineers are looking out for profits and not the Gulf. Kill the Gulf, then there is no reason not to drill everywhere in the Gulf, because it's already dead. Of course if the government takes over BP all of you conservatives will start crying socialism. Whine, whine, but no solutions.

I will agree with you on one thing. Obama needed and needs to do more. First, they should have taken over BP completely. BP is even thinking of paying stock dividends!!! Take over the company now! Get military engineers in there to cap that leak without any thought of saving the oil, or being able to get it out again. Use all BP's assets to help with clean up and pay for the lives they have ruined. Stop all off shore drill rigs until the can be examined by real engineers who don't have anything to gain from overlooking problems. It's time to take over BP completely.

And don't start up about how people criticized Bush for Katrina. You have turned around the criticism of his hiring an incompetent person to run FEMA into a silly assumption that we blamed a president for a hurricane. More weird logic.

grammaddy 4 years, 6 months ago

BP has put paying stock dividends on hold until they figure out how much it will cost to clean up this mess. How do you take over a foreign corporation? Oh yeah, I forgot, good old American arrogance.If we don't like you, we just shut you down. And I haven't seen Obama get a free pass on anything. I'm not on BP's side whatsoever. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that they are spending $50 million on a new ad campaign. Seems like finding a way to cap the leak and clean up the mess would go a lot further in cleaning up their image than some stupid ad campaign.But it's probably going to cost 10 times that much.

denak 4 years, 6 months ago

Ok BP, what would you have done?????

grammaddy 4 years, 6 months ago

For real! People are quick to criticize instead of offering solutions.

Flap Doodle 4 years, 6 months ago

"The inside story of how Obama failed to crack down on the corruption of the Bush years – and let the world's most dangerous oil company get away with murder" Read it all at: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/111965?RS_show_page=0#

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

So you are actually admitting to "the corruption of the Bush years"?

Too bad you were unable to recognize it when he was still in office. Just imagine, you voted for him twice! Now, you are saying this spill is Obama's fault because he wasn't quick enough in cleaning up after "the corruption of the Bush years."

It staggers the mind how you can twist your logic into such a knot to reach this conclusion.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

So which is it snap, do you think government needs to "crack down" more on business through regulation, or "get out of our way" as your Republican heroes call for? How convenient of you to flip-flop on this basic concept now. Since you are now pro-regulation, I guess you will be voting against Republicans in the future, correct?

However, I agree. Obama should have overturned more of the Bush administrations blunders. Too bad he has had to spend too much time arguing with your idols in the party of "No!" who have always tried to defend Bush policies, "corrupt" as they may be.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

Tom, we get it. You hate America. So go join the Taliban already.

You call our president a "mofo." Wow. Still upset because "Whites have no power right now" as you recently wrote? We understand the reason for your anger. We really do. Too bad you can't admit it to yourself. Sad, very sad.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

Okay. I will believe what I want.

Just a reminder, you are the one who recently wrote "Whites have no power right now," are you not? When you add the "thug" lines you like to throw out and the "mofo" you just used, I think it is very clear what you really think. And that is sad Tom, sad and pathetic.

Who knows tom, perhaps you could rehab your views of Obama. I doubt it, but it is possible.

Liberty275 4 years, 6 months ago

Rule #1. Kill one million of your enemy for every fellow citizen that dies. Dubya acted with extreme restraint. I'd have had Afghanistan carpet bombed daily for a decade following 9/11. Iraq, he did OK on. All we wanted there was regime change, not revenge.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

"this mofo of a joke of a prez"

Once again Tom, I believe you have made your views of Obama perfectly clear. He is in office, and "Whites have no power right now." We get it. No point in trying to backpeddle now, just because you have again been called on it.

Unless you really are questioning why you live to hate our President.

jaywalker 4 years, 6 months ago

Quit being porch person, bea. It's incredibly unappealing and not a little childish.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

Jay, did you just call me out for picking on Tom for writing "Whites are powerless right now"? Now that is funny.

Sadly predictable, yet funny.

George Lippencott 4 years, 6 months ago

The tool used to harvest half the soviet sub is long since gone. It took a while to design and build it the first time. Other major federal projects took from a year to four to execute. The etechnology being used by BP in part originates with the Navy. It is just plain wrong to suggest that Mr. Obama could have done something of that nature in the time we have had.

BP has the tools and the expertise to do what needs to be done to address the leak. The administration is doing a proper job of oversight. (It probably could have done better before the fact but that is water (oil) over the dam). I am not so sure about the clean up as we seem to have conflicting priorities but I just do not know enough right now to throw rocks. The consequence of the decision to stop all drilling (even in shallow water) has ldled many oil company employees along the gulf. That may have been counter-productive but again I lack sufficient data.

My biggest problem is with the press. They seem to be very busy throwing rocks rather than providiing meaningful, accurate and comprehensive information. Too much politics and not enough action. It us just too early to find fault - our efforts should be on working together to find solutions.

Liberty275 4 years, 6 months ago

I'm no fan of obama by any stretch of the imagination, but there is nothing he, the navy nor the coast guard could or can do about the spill other than help with mitigation. Laying any part of the gulf catastrophe at the feet of mr obama is as dumb as accusing dubya of bombing levees following the new orleans hurricane.

Go after obama for his constant lies, socialist leanings and the health care fiasco purchased with liberal corruption, not for this.

bearded_gnome 4 years, 6 months ago

Brother Prune, small correction, the Glomar Explorer (sp?) didn't get all of that soviet sub, got a big chunk of it along with a dozen or so of soviet sailors' bodies. they were given a proper sea burrial.


Mr. Obama did fail in this response. it was in the plan for response to such a major spill to burn the oil, this was in federal waters, the feds were the first responders unlike Katrina.
instead Mr. Obama, Homeland security secretary Butch, big Al Salizar, et al resorted to the totally inadequate chemical dispersants.

furthermore, Louisiana was pushing hard to build little islands or berms.
Mr. Obama could have short circuited the "environmental impact" studies and waved them the go ahead. he did not.

now he has his AG down there in the midst of the disaster starting to investigate for the blame game, distracting from the effort to stop the flow and mitigate the problem.


sorry, liberals were blaming GWB for Katrina. many blamed Katrina on the fake myth of manmade global warming. they connected that to bush regarding Kyoto. yes, many did blame bush for katrina.
same nnymrods also said there would be many more Katrinas after that, lol.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

Scientists are pretty much in line that climate change is real, while those who say it isn't aren't scientists, but are right-wing loons. Well, lets see, which side should I take seriously?

Also, people didn't blame Katrina on Bush, they blamed the response on Bush and the fact that he hired his friend, the horse show guy, to head up FEMA. Sorry this obvious fact is beyond your simple comprehension.

However, if you think Bush got blamed for Katrina, then feel free to blame the oil spill on Obama if you think it will make you feel better. It won't make any sense, but then, since when do the arguments of right-wingers need to make any sense?

I still the defense from right-wingers that since Bush got "blamed" for everything, which they hated, that gives them the right to blame everything on Obama. Became that which you hate, someone who blames others even though you know it isn't accurate. Funny.

beatrice 4 years, 6 months ago

George, somehow I don't think that "reaping what you sow" is the same as becoming that which you hate.

I don't disagree that much of the rancor levied against Bush pretty much guaranteed that the same would happen to Obama. That doens't surprise me. I just find it humorous that those who cried the loudest about people unfairly blaming all troubles on Bush are now the same ones to blame all things on Obama. They hated it before, yet they do the same in return. In other words, they just hated it directed at them, but they love being that type of person themselves. They love being that which they hate. I just find the whole thing silly and dumb, and I don't mind pointing it out.

BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

There is speculation that the submarine was essentially intact when brought to the surface as there was a leak to the press right after the sub was brought to the surface.....so who knows?

Even though I hate Obama's taking over of major companies, the BP disaster is an exception especially with the tools he has at his disposal, mainly the US military. He could've sent in the military and billed BP.

BigPrune 4 years, 6 months ago

There is speculation that the submarine was essentially intact when brought to the surface as there was a leak to the press right after the sub was brought to the surface.....so who knows?

Even though I hate Obama's taking over of major companies, the BP disaster is an exception especially with the tools he has at his disposal, mainly the US military. He could've sent in the military and billed BP.

independant1 4 years, 6 months ago

Blame? offshore drilling in deep water, as opposed to shallow off shore drilling - easier to exploit or drilling on land

I forgot, oil, capitalism, large corporations are inherently evil. We need more big gov't less big business.

But big bidness provides alot of jobs, good jobs.

George Lippencott 4 years, 6 months ago

beatrice (anonymous) replies… “George, somehow I don't think that "reaping what you sow" is the same as becoming that which you hate.”

I wish people were better than that but the underlying issue to me is an attempt to discredit a political party and associated ideology. That was my perception of much of what happened to Bush and the Republican Party (deserved or not) and that IMHO is what is now happening to Mr. Obama.

Capturing the right to rule seems to bring a lot of opportunity not only to advance an ideology but also to "buy" voters and reach for the Holy Grail – assured majority status. The stakes have become very high so IMHO unless we reform our system "what you sees is what you gets"!

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