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"Barack was a community organizer, like Jesus was." Really?


Spoken by Democrat Representative Steve Cohen, on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives during the week of 9-11-08. This offensive statement is being printed on bumper stickers and campaign buttons; and is being repeated by Democrat party strategists. Well? Was Barack Obama a community organizer, like Jesus was? I'm not a pastor, minister, or evangelist. I simply ride a pew on Sunday mornings, in a church where we still sing "His truth is marching on." And if you feel as I do, please forward this on to others. ______"Barack was a community organizer, like Jesus was."Jesus started his community organizing after the work of John the Baptist.Barack started his community organizing after the work of Reverend Wright. John the Baptist lived in the wilderness, surviving on locusts and honeycombs.Reverend Wright lives in a sumptuous mansion, in a gated community. John the Baptist preached that people could find peace with God, have their sins forgiven. Reverend Wright taught his people they are victims, and to "kill the white oppressor." Before his community organizing, Jesus was tested and tempted for forty days in the desert, confronting the Devil. Before his community organizing, Barack went to Columbia University, then to Harvard. He won't release his grades. During His community organizing, Jesus said, "suffer the little children to come unto me."During his community organizing, Barack protected the "right" of women to kill their babies, before, during, and after birth. During His community organizing, Jesus taught people to avoid hell and take the redemption God offered.During his community organizing, Barack cared little for his peoples' eternal souls, promoting Marxism and good-works. Jesus wept, when confronted by unbelief. Barack led his people to fight instead. Jesus said "and thou shalt love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind and with all thy strength" is the first commandment. Barack thinks this is the first commandment: "what you have done unto the least of these, you have done unto me." Jesus said, "go forth, and sin no more."Barack sought to make people comfortable in their sin. Jesus performed miracles. Barack says he will reverse the waters, and "global warming." When Jesus confronted evil, he cast it out, defeated it.When Barack confronts evil, he prefers a conversation. When Jesus died, he made a way for us to reach God. Barack has made no such sacrifice. When Jesus was done with His community organizing, many people knew the peace that passes all understanding. When Barack was done with his community organizing, people's hearts weren't changed. After Jesus left, people remembered that a man who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. After Barack left, murder and violent crime increased dramatically in South Chicago. "Barack was a community organizer, like Jesus was." If you want to learn more about the Tennessee Representative who said that, take the link below. May God bless America. http://cohen.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=4


bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

in case the link at the bottom of the blog entry is a problem, here it is:http://www.cohen.house.gov/

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

Bearded_gnome, Since you ascribe to "His truth is marching on", I like to point out some untruths in your blog. I don't believe anyone said Obama equates himself to Jesus. In fact, that is very unlikely since he accepts Jesus as his lord and savior. That would be redundent, in fact, if he were equal to Jesus. You say Obama modeled his community organizing after Rev. Wright. Obama didn't meet Rev. Wright until after he decided to become a community organizer and move to Chicago so it seems unlikely Rev. Wright was his model. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070416/moberg Although many people on the right on ready to dismiss any of the work of Rev. Wright (serving in the military, for one) and his church (serving the poor and afflicted everyday of the week, not just Sunday), many of us have made statements we regret and/or were taken out of context. I'm not sure we need to reject someone in totality because of a few, albeit inflamatory, statements.Many on the right also say Obama has not done anything to denounce or distance himself from Rev. Wright. Here is Obama's own words on the subject if you care to read them without the biased filter of the extreme right. Before you object that this link is from the very left leaning Huffington post, these are Obama's own words, not an interpretation of his thoughts and words by the left or the right. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.htmlMany of the important tenets and laws of our country came out of community organizing efforts in Chicago. There is a history in Chicago for fighting for the oppressed. Child labor laws, worker's compensation, women's right to vote all have their roots in Chicago. I'm sure those earlier community organizers such as Jane Addams were also considered rabble-rousers or miscontents. Wouldn't be more truth telling to compare the attributes of the candidates rather Obama to Jesus and Rev. Wright to John the Baptist? How would your candidate compare to Jesus when it comes to his wordly possessions, love and tolerance to others and his temperment?

bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

This reflects my feelings about this topic. this is not sarcasm or parody. This quote linking Barack to Jesus is deeply offensive, so I did something about it. please feel free to share this with others.

BrianR 7 years, 2 months ago

Yawn.Some of these more "out there" blogs make it appear that the paper is being published by a bunch of extremist nutjobs. I hope that most readers at least scratch the surface a bit and find out that the blogs aren't being written by the papers' journalists.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

Invictus,I'm sure you prefer anything that has to do with the Ku Klux Klan.

kugrad 7 years, 2 months ago

Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor. There is nothing offensive pointing out the error Gov. Palin committed by belittling the work of community organizers by playing upon the faith she embraces for political purposes.

Potawatomi 7 years, 2 months ago

Jesus was a dirty hippie and would have probably attend the Wakarusa Music Festival if he was still alive and end up in jail on some redneck charge after being stopped at a check point.

RedwoodCoast 7 years, 2 months ago

And the frantic attempts to smear Obama before the election continue.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

Let's see how offended the right is about Marion's photoshopped, blasephemous photo.

peach_plum_pear 7 years, 2 months ago

Lets get one thing straight - Cohen's remark was not meant to cast Barack Obama as a messiah, but to point out that Sarah Palin's flippant remark that community organizers don't have any "real responsibilities" puts down thousands of important and influential people throughout history. Most Obama supporters do not choose to support his campaign because we see some sort of savior in the man. We've listened to the ideas from both sides and recognize that, unlike John McCain, Obama understands that we can't drill our way out of oil dependency and we can't promote peace in the world without diplomacy.Your whole argument against Senator Obama is a cheap shot aimed at spreading misinformation and insulting the intelligence of anyone who even slightly disagrees with you. If you wish to be a good example of a disciple of Christ, maybe you should try honest argument and respect for all people, even those that disagree with you. It would make your opinions seem more credible than they do in this foolish rant.

james bush 7 years, 2 months ago

It's more important that Obama is a pontificating Chicago politician whose been promoted by somebody to become President of the U S A! Who really is his mentor and/or benefactor? Someone more influential than Rev Wright, I'd guess, but who? George Soros maybe? Dont trust him.At least McCain is a known reformer if not completely admired for his efforts.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

lee66049-I'm sure that your comments about the Obama yard signs is the result of pure, scientific data and not your own biased lens you see the world through? I have no idea if there are more or less Obama signs than Kerry or Gore had in previous elections. Is there any correlation between the number of yard signs a candidate has and the candidate who wins the election?You folks on the right would be gladly have called Jesus a community organizer had Palin and Rudy not besmudged the honorable work done by community organizers through out the ages. Here's a link to a pastor who does believe Jesus was a community organizer so perhaps it is time for the extreme religious right to stop speaking for all Christians.http://pastorbobcornwall.blogspot.com/2008/09/jesus-was-community-organizer.html

woodenfleaeater 7 years, 2 months ago

How is comparing Obama to Osama or having him dressed up like a muslim and his wife with machine gun in hand on The New Yorker political sattire, and comparing him to Jesus is wrong and offensive?

jonas_opines 7 years, 2 months ago

No politicians should be linked with Jesus, nor should they claim that they are operating in his name or according to his word. First, it's hopelessly arrogant, and second, it's undoubtedly untrue. Jesus would Not have been a politician, at least not in the way that we define it.

kmat 7 years, 2 months ago

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7038315I love the picture at this site.Gnome - being a community organizer is noble. Much more noble than marrying into money like McCain. Do you have bad things to say about these organizers? I'm sure you do.Susan B. Anthony. She helped guarantee women's suffrage in the United States by giving public speeches and uniting with fellow advocates of change. Martin Luther King Jr. He helped end racial segregation and discrimination by inspiring a nation to come together and realize their dreams. Cesar Chavez. He helped farm workers secure labor rights and fair wages. Sen. Robert F. Kennedy called him 'one of the heroic figures of our time.' Mohandas Gandhi. He peacefully led the people of India in efforts to acquire labor fairness, women's rights, and ethnic tolerance, and he helped secure the freedom of a nation. But the republican way is of course to slam those that actually help others. It all about self instead of community. Greed, greed, greed. See where it's gotten us? Not caring about our community and our country has led us into another depression.Republicans take, liberals give. Jesus was a liberal.

arizonajh 7 years, 2 months ago

Marion says,"A realistic look at some of Barack Hussein Obama's "community orgiaization":Really a "realistic" look by Michelle Markin? The same Markin that wrote articals like,Obama releases his "in your face" hounds.Barack "the Silencer" Obamas gangland assault on free speech.D'oh-bamas Mortgage industry mess.Snob-ama is not alone.That really sounds like an author that is worried about "realistic" looks at anything having to do with Obama. I guess terms like,"grievance-mongers", "ACORN mob" and "bully tactics" should have tipped me off before I ever went to the site.

BuffyloGal 7 years, 2 months ago

Somehting smells kind of fishy here. There's a reason they're called pews.

verity 7 years, 2 months ago

I have an Obama sign in my yard. I did not have one for Gore or Kerry.Therefore, there are more Obama yard signs than there were for Gore or Kerry.

beatrice 7 years, 2 months ago

jay, "Patchouli, incense, and cat dander are messin' up your head." As I pointed out, that description is way, way off. But it proves what you think of when you think of "liberals." You describe liberals as a certain type, then call me "snooty" for calling you on it. Face it, you are the type of person who must stereotype others when they don't see things your way. You are closed-minded, pure and simple. And you aren't kidding anybody about being undecided. Your constant support of McCain and his half-baked Alaskan running mate make clear who you plan to vote for. Quit lying to yourself, since it isn't working on us. When the time comes, we all know you will vote for the non-change agent McCain.

rachaelisacancer 7 years, 2 months ago

Gnome - You'll be the first to heaven, I guarantee it. I can make that guarantee because I, like yourself, can take the word of god and shape it to mean anything I want. Good job xtian soldier!

bearded_gnome 7 years, 2 months ago

Jesus is rolling over in his grave:---sorry, Jesus isn't in a grave.TW,try rereading my blog entry:I didn't say Obama modeled his community organizing after rev. Wright, but I did say he came before Obama. and, even Hillary has described the messianic portrayals of Obama. to say that our founding fathers were "community organizers" also is offensive and belittles them too. George Washington was a community organizer? no, he was a wise military and political leader. everything in this blog is accurate. no, not intended as an insult. and btw, the reason why Obama's community organizing came up was because he and his peons were belittling Sarah's experience as a mayor, you know, where she actually had to decide things. this congressman meant what he said. and as I point out in the blog entry, its not just him saying and printing this. coordinated by Obamaco?sorry Dupe-plenty, I just took the initiative. and, I've never been kicked off the system for violating the TOS, as you have.

stephenj 7 years, 2 months ago

I think the comment was made to point out the stupidity of all the hundreds of RNC delegates who laughed when Rudy made fun of Obama for getting his start as a community organizer. What's so funny about that, huh? The Jesus reference, I believe, was made to strike a chord with these laughing right-wingers.Palin got her start as a pageant runner-up. haha?

lee66049 7 years, 2 months ago

Anyone else notice we don't see as many Obama yard signs and bumper stickers as we saw of Gore or Kerry?That should tell you something....oh and Jesus was a carpenter and a teacher, not a community organizer.

1029 7 years, 2 months ago

must...grasp...at...strawsI disagree with the whole "community organizer like jesus was", but this "blog" is pathetic. Does bearded_gnome even know any of the specifics of the "community organizing" work that Obama did? Or did he just see some talking head's opinion being spewed while some repetitive video montage of Wright is shown and desperate speculations of associations and motivations are made? It's not as if the extent of Obama's "community organizing" was done in front of cameras or followed by news media. So where are people like bearded_gnome getting their information from? There are hundreds of impoverished people that are living at least a little better today thanks in part to the work done by Obama. The only thing I've ever come across were positive testimonials from interviews or testimonials in community development publications like Shelterforce. Obama had a positive impact on many people's lives and it doesn't seem very christian to condemn him for it.This is what turns people off from Christianity and will lead to its inevitable demise: The fact that Christians express so much hatred towards others and display such a disdain for people who help other people. They claim to know what God thinks and how Jesus would act and feel. Christianity is a disgusting religion. Christians should be embarrassed by this "blog". These are the people who "ride a pew on Sunday mornings"? Hateful individuals who condemn people for helping others? If you don't like Obama, don't vote for him. Don't condemn a person for helping others just because you don't agree with his political affiliation or the views of some of the people that he knew.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

jaywalker says "Making light of the noble work community organizers perform is one thing, snidely equating an opponent to Pontius Pilate is disgusting."I guess that's the issue with politics and religion, the truth or intent lies in the eyes of the beholder. You find one side just making light of noble work but the other side disgusting. I wonder which side you represent???

supertrampofkansas 7 years, 2 months ago

"This quote linking Barack to Jesus is deeply offensive, so I did something about it." - Bearded Gnome"try rereading my blog entry:I didn't say ..."Hmmm maybe you are having your own comprehesion problems there Bearded. Explain to us how the offending quote "links" Obama to Jesus. Nothing in that quote says that Obama is Jesus. If I say that I love my next door neighbors like Jesus would love them, does that mean I am saying I am Jesus? I mean we all even talk about trying to "be like Jesus" or "act like Jesus". What exactly is offensive? Seems like you should reexamine what was actually said. Personally, I think you are being blinded by your own prejudices and this is simply much ado about nothing.

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

logicsound,I get what you're saying with your 11:14 post, but if you're going to give Cohen's phrasing some spin and context, couldn't you do the same with Palin and Rudy? I mean, if Cohen spoke that phrase as a response, isn't it logical or just fair to assume that the jabs at BO's early work were in response to the numerous jabs at Palin's work as mayor?I'm not a fan of either tactic, the sarcasm and digs are tiresome. But while you expect that kind of rhetoric during NC's to stir up the crowd, cheesy and/or non-constructive as it might be, but Cohen's remark was worse, especially considering it was spoken on the House floor. Making light of the noble work community organizers perform is one thing, snidely equating an opponent to Pontius Pilate is disgusting.

beatrice 7 years, 2 months ago

I'm shocked that Bearded hasn't stooped to his usual name-calling in his blog! Come on BG, where is the typical "Demonrats" line that you like to use to describe half the voting populace? How about your usual line of calling people who care about their planet "green-wheenies?" I guess with an "official" blog, you are pretending to be respectable. Well, most of us know the truth about your typical hateful rantings on this site. With BG and Marion Lynn having their own blogs on this site, the LJWorld gives validity to the hate that these individuals espouse. Pathetic. What is next, a blog from a Grand Wizard? Christian fanatics have been lying about Obama being a Muslim, of being sworn in on a Koran, and some have even claimed that he is the anti-Christ. Because of their religious fanaticism, these people will do and say anything to keep him from being elected, country be damned. Like the individual who wrote this garbage -- Pathetic. LJWorld -- clean up your blogs!

sfjayhawk 7 years, 2 months ago

Who is this jeebus guy everyone keeps talking about? Is he running for office someplace?

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

bearded_gnome (Anonymous) says: Jesus is rolling over in his grave:sorry, Jesus isn't in a grave.***TW,try rereading my blog entry:I didn't say Obama modeled his community organizing after rev. Wright, but I did say he came before Obama.and, even Hillary has described the messianic portrayals of Obama.to say that our founding fathers were "community organizers" also is offensive and belittles them too.George Washington was a community organizer? no, he was a wise military and political leader.everything in this blog is accurate.Bearded gnome, I never said the founding fathers or George Washington were community organizers, but that certainly would not be offensive to say so. However, the community organizers that I talked about who were instrumental in child labor laws, workers compensation and women's right to vote came long after our founding fathers, more like the 1850's-1920's. I'm sorry you are filled with so much rage and hatred, no one will ever confuse you with Jesus or a community organizer.

1029 7 years, 2 months ago

"When Barack was done with his community organizing, people's hearts weren't changed."Clear b.s. There are plenty of accounts of people that claim to be better off thanks to Obama's work. Do you want to tell them that they aren't better off now even though they profess that they are?"After Barack left, murder and violent crime increased dramatically in South Chicago. "There are simply no facts to back this up. Do you think this was even measured? "Hmmm, (pointing at calendar) this was when Barack "left" here in the fall and see if you look here you can see that....."What a bunch of garbage. Bearded_gnome must have woken up feeling extra stupid this morning.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

jimincountry (Anonymous) says:At least McCain is a known reformer if not completely admired for his efforts.McCain as reformer, he himself admits he voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time. Way to go out on a limb there to vote for the party line 90% of the time!

beatrice 7 years, 2 months ago

jay, your fantasy life is really running away with you. Like many Americans, we do have 2 cats, but beyond that -- way off. Laughingly way off. But thanks for the stereotype. Glad I can point out that you aren't nearly as open-minded as you pretend to be. Further, if you believe that McCain the yes man will bring about change, then have I got some stock in an investment firm for you. You can't vote 90% along party lines, then claim to be the man who will go against your own party lines and be taken seriously. It ain't gonna happen. If you want someone to go against Washington as it has been run the last 8 years, as the way it has been run by the Republican administration of the last 8 years, then McCain simply is not the person to do it. He agrees with too many of Bush's policies. I know that truth must hurt. This is why the only reasonable vote if you are at all interested in change in 2008 is to vote for Obama! Obama 2008!

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

towannaclue: "I guess that's the issue with politics and religion, the truth or intent lies in the eyes of the beholder. You find one side just making light of noble work but the other side disgusting. I wonder which side you represent???"Nice, towanda, but turn that question around on yourself. Yes, I say it was making light of noble work when someone says a mayor has real decisions to make as compared to a community organizer. Problem is there's a slight truth to that, but I still don't like it. But spouting that 'Pilate was a governor', invoking the man who ordered the crucifixion of Christ in comparison with Palin-- you really think those two things are equal? Gee, 'I wonder which side you represent?' If a pro-McCain politico or backer were to say something that pathetic I'd react with the same groan of revulsion, like when the 'terrorist fist bump' nonsense arose. Your back's gonna hurt if you keep leaning to your left so much.

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

towannastillneedinaclue:"Way to go out on a limb there to vote for the party line 90% of the time!"Name someone who doesn't vote along party lines like that. That's an 'everyone' problem, dear. And I'd have to say at least he votes, as opposed to BO who seems to think he's still in grade school 'cuz he usually responds "Present" when a decision needs to be made. Swell.

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

Logic, It does make perfect sense, as a matter of fact, and I completely agree. I think what you're trying to say is that deciding to become a CO is about self-sacrifice and truly for the greater good. Ideally that would be why politicians got in the game....maybe in an alternate universe that's how it works. I gained a lot of respect for Obama when he explained in his book (can't remember which one it was from, passed them on to my folks) how he went into the work as CO full of grandiose visions of making a difference and how the reality of the task and the enormity of the help needed subsequently led him to question whether he was actually helping or not making a difference whatsoever. It was a constant struggle to stay with it, but he did. Like that a lot. I've tried to find the Guiliani speech since we started this conversation, but the links I found were'nt working or the problem was on my end (nothing in the ATL seems to be working right these days). Like I said, I didn't find Palin to be particularly derisive, but I didn't like it either. So much about these races and partisan politics in general is beyond the pale, I truly wish it was played out on an amicable stage since this is about America, our home, not some Orwellian play. I've said before how refreshing it would be to have the candidates speak in a 'Dale Carnegie' type of fashion, know what I mean? Say something positive and then provide your rationale as to why you'd do something different than they. I'd like to think that would be the type of politics that would get more people to listen and then, hopefully, actually vote! Instead we're filled with back biting and snideness, subtle jabs and innuendo. It almost smells like a dressed up Springer show when it's all said and done, and jackasses like Hannity play ringmaster. One way or the other, hope we're able to wade through the BS and get it right this time. Got an awful lot riding on this hand.

beatrice 7 years, 2 months ago

And your neck will hurt if you keep doing what you are doing, jay.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

jaywalker,McCain says he's a maverick, voting with a failed administration 90% of the time is not being a maverick. It's being a "yes" man.

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

What color is the sky in your world, bea? How did you 'point out that I'm not open minded', or am pretending to be? Could you be a little more snotty? I know, silly question, 'course ya can. Allow me to respond in kind...As for the 90% crappola, as I asked towanda, name someone who doesn't vote along party lines like that. You read that, so obviously you can't. If you actually cared, or were fair, rational, and mildly intellectually curious...(sorry, had to take a chuckle break), perhaps you'd take the time to look up McCain's record when it comes to standing against his party AND Bush. But it's more convenient (and lazy) to regurgitate the 90% spittle, I understand. And I'll say again, at least he votes. So apparently the 'change' you're looking for is ........ someone who's brave enough to vote 'present' if the bill is politically slippery. Brilliant.Sorry, bea, but I am still undecided as to my candidate. I don't vote party lines, never have never will. And I certainly will not fall in line like a swooning groupie behind a rock star simply because he can deliver a line and he's "not the other guy", as you so obviously have with your not-so-open mind long ago. "I know that truth must hurt".

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

And squid jacket corn flakes, bea. Makes as much sense, huh? What the hell are you babbling about this time?Don't bother. I'm concerned for ya, darlin'. Patchouli, incense, and cat dander are messin' up your head.

BuffyloGal 7 years, 2 months ago

Well, you were close. McCain will win not only Kansas but the nation, maybe not in Lawrence, but Lawrence don't count anyway._____What does the bumper sticker say? 27 miles of reality surrounded by Kansas? Reality doesn't count in presidential elections. I think we'd all agree to that!

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

logic,Maybe I didn't understand completely where you were coming from, and 'spin' was probably the wrong word. I'll admit that the entire context of Cohen's statement was unclear in the soundbite I heard. So when you say, "his point was exactly what I said it was-if community organizer is a position to be mocked and derided, then it applies to all who've held that position"I do find you to be giving him a lot of latitude. I heard "Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor". That phrase doesn't seem to be merely backing community organizers, but also equating ALL governors, in particular Palin, to the man who presided over the trial, the persecution, and the crucifixion of Christ.While Palin and Rudy joked about organizers in reference to BO's service and compared to actual governing experience (I never heard Rudy's speech, I'm just going by what you and others have said), I didn't find it derisive. Palin quipped that mayor was much the same except with actual decision making. It was spoken sarcastically, but it is in essence true, don't ya think? Doesn't matter in the long run, I think too much has been made of both statements, and I don't care for either. My point to you was that if you're going to give Cohen the benefit of the doubt and put the justification of defense behind his comment, wouldn't it be fair to think the same for Palin's? If you figure Cohen spoke in defense of CO's, can you also see Palin and Rudy's quips as defense for the belittling of her mayoral experience?And I'm not referring to Pilate as despicable, but the correlation of Cohen's statement as such. Your's is a nice way to view Pilate to be sure, but that is not the context with which Cohen threw that reference out there, and that's what I have a problem with.

notajayhawk 7 years, 2 months ago

banned (Anonymous) says: "I would have to say by now, its clear Obama will win- not here in redneck kansas, but KS don't count anyway."Well, you were close. McCain will win not only Kansas but the nation, maybe not in Lawrence, but Lawrence don't count anyway.

towanda54 7 years, 2 months ago

I'm deeply offended that students at a Chrisian college would hang an effigy of Obama in a tree. Offended, but not totally shocked by it.Obama effigy found hanging on Ore. campusThe Associated PressOfficials of a Christian university say a life-size effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was hung from a tree on the campus.George Fox University President Robin Baker says a custodian discovered the cardboard cutout of Obama early Tuesday at the Oregon school and removed it.The effigy was accompanied by a message targeting participants of a minority student scholarship program called Act Six.It read, "Act Six reject."Baker says he met with the students in the Act Six program, who receive full scholarships, late Tuesday and plans to address the school's student body Wednesday.

jaywalker 7 years, 2 months ago

Beafool: "But it proves what you think of when you think of "liberals." You describe liberals as a certain type..."No bea, it proves what I think of when I think of you. And I defy you to provide a quote from any of my postings where I 'describe liberals as a certain type...'.I can't help it if you're misguided and foolish, bea, nor can I combat your obvious close-mindedness, you spell it out daily. When I go to bat for McCain or Palin it's usually against the sillier postings and silliest posters. I can't help you're at the top of that heap either. And I certainly couldn't care much less if you 'believe' I've already decided on McCain, who besides myself gives a fig anyway? As I've said, I'm waiting on the debates (and now have to wait longer, damn it!), but please feel free to continue swooning like a moonbat. I'm gonna make an informed decision, not one based on hatred of an ideology or a sitting President. So sorry if that ruffles your feathers.

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