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Casey Anthony found guilty on four counts of lying.

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In a court case that has captivated not only our nation, but the rest of the world, taken control of top news channels for years, and made everyone hate rather than feel empathy for a young mother who lost a daughter, it is shocking to hear it's all over.

The jury is in and Casey is out - of trouble that is. She can receive up to one year of prison time for each of the four counts of lying she's been found guilty of. I'm guessing she's served almost three years already.

What are your thoughts about the verdict? Do you feel Casey's father should go on trial for the numerous and horrendous crimes her defense team accused him of?

Comments

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I agree I would have been hard pressed to find her guilty of first degree, pre meditated murder, but I'd sure have bet money against this outcome. Wow!

Jonathan Kealing 4 years ago

I was surprised she was not found guilty of the lesser included offenses, particularly child abuse.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I agree, Jonathan, but I think the child abuse was really only linked to what was the entire murder scenario. Apparently the prosecution just didn't show enough direct evidence.

I did think the entire family very strange behaving. The brother sobbing on the stand because he wasn't told Casey was pregnant didn't make sense. The father sitting with a blank look on his face while being accused as a sexual molester was very odd too.

yanman 4 years ago

I cannot believe this woman killed her daughter and will walk away with time served while on trial. Goes to show, if a woman kills her child the belief in juries is that she brought them into this world so she can take them out as well. Once again, Lady Justice shows she is not only blind but stupid as well. I did think the defense attorney showed some class with his post trial comments.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Yanman,

It will be interesting to see what the juriors have to say about their decision. I absolutely didn't feel that the prosecution had a clearly defined pre meditated verdict, but who goes out and parties when their daughter is missing or dead?

I think Casey is screwed up in the head for a reason. I think Casey wasn't charged by her parents for stealing all those checks and money from her mom for a reason. I think George knows why.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Are you toying with us, Liberty? :)

This is the case in Florida where the young mother was accused of killing her two year old daughter three years ago and keeping the body in the truck of the car for a time before tossing it in garbage bags into an area about 13 houses away from where the grandparents lived. Casey lied and told everyone that Zanny the nanny had her. There was no Zanny the nanny.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I didn't see the World Cup.

I tried to avoid the trial too, but alais, I got sucked in. :)

Steve Jacob 4 years ago

I did not pay any attention to this until today. Weak motive, no physical evidence. What is a jury supposed to do?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Apparently as they did. And they aren't talking yet. Good point. I'm sure Nancy Grace is wringing her hands.

deec 4 years ago

Just to put this in perspective, Per the CDC, in 2008 in 16 reporting states ( AK, CO, GA, KY, MD, MA, NJ, NM, NC, OK, OR, RI, SC, UT, VA, WI), 136 kids were killed by a parent. That's one every roughly 2.7 days. I'm appalled that every few months we get one of these National Enquirer sorts of stories to distract us. Why is one child's murder more heinous than others? Usually because there are some sordid accusations involved. It's prurient "slowing down to look at the car wreck" nonsense promulgated by the media to keep our baser selves amused. End screed.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I agree, Deec. And sadly while all the media hype focuses on one child, other kidnappings and murders are ongoing.

These stories that take over generally aren't about non white children either.

verity 4 years ago

I think the outrage of many Americans to this verdict has shown that too many people don't understand the law. Not guilty doesn't necessarily mean the jury thinks she is innocent. The prosecution just didn't prove anything except that she lied. None of us were in the courtroom, but I suspect the jury did the right thing.

Nobody except Casey Anthony and perhaps certain members of her family know what happened. There was obviously more here than we know about and I suspect we would be shocked and horrified if we knew what went on in that family.

As for her father going on trial---was there ever any proof that he did what they accused him of? The DNA tests sort of blew a lot of that out of the water. Not saying he didn't, but again you have to have proof.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

At this point, if the father were to be accused of sexual abuse, lying and covering up the crime, tampering with a crime scene, etc., it would be Casey testifying against him. Now that she's found guilty of four counts of lying, who will believe her?

RoeDapple 4 years ago

Since she was not convicted of murdering her daughter she can legally pursue book/talk show/movie deals. Very likely could make millions. Will probably meth herself into oblivion.

RoeDapple 4 years ago

"I'm appalled that every few months we get one of these National Enquirer sorts of stories to distract us."

Me too deec. Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell will be searching for something new to screech about for sure.

labmonkey 4 years ago

Roe... hypothetical question... You have to either spend the night with Nancy Grace, Rosie O'donnell, Whoopi Goldberg, or be slowly killed by fireants, which option do you choose?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Now wait a moment, Whoopi doesn't belong in that mix. Does she? Lol

RoeDapple 4 years ago

Ya ain't makin' this easy lab . . .

Can I choose two blackhawk helicopters and a SEAL team?

labmonkey 4 years ago

To spend the night with or to kill you?

RoeDapple 4 years ago

Since the first three options would get me killed at home I'll take my chances with the SEAL team . . .

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

How about if Sarah Palin is leading the SEAL team? Does that help or harm your cause?

RoeDapple 4 years ago

Death sentence for sure. Would that send me to the HOT place?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Only Sarah and you know for sure. And no one is talking.

labmonkey 4 years ago

Just remember to not wear your moose antlers.... or do. Maybe Sarah will find that kinky.

RoeDapple 4 years ago

You know about my moose antlers? Guess there really are no secrets on the internet ;-)

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

So let me get this straight, via pillow talk between Lab and Sarah, Lab found out about Sarah's experiences with Roe and antlers. It's a small world after all. Is this an adult forum now, Jonathan?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Well, multi knows, but she's not telling. :)

labmonkey 4 years ago

I figured it involved wearing moose antlers, and Sarah talking about getting Moose and Squirrel in a bad, fake Russian accent.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Was she dangling upside down from a rope while sipping vodka, eating a boiled potato, smoking a filterless cig and gazing at Roe longingly through a spy glass?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Not a Nancy Grace fan, eh? Lol. She's a strange one. How did she get that show? I can think of about anyone I'd prefer to listen and watch.

I don't predict Casey will have a wonderful life, but guilt sure hasn't seemed to get in the way of a pursuit for happiness, nor the death of her daughter, so what do I know?

birdsandflowers 4 years ago

So will they have to re-open the investigation to find the "real" killer?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Interesting thought. If the prosecution still believes it was a homicide and committed by someone other than Casey. Maybe they will let it drop as an accident. That's difficult to believe.

birdsandflowers 4 years ago

Yeah, and a truly innocent mother would expect, if not demand, the case to be re-opened, but since this is Casey Anthony -- not gonna happen.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

She knows what happened. She says it was a horrible accident rather than a murder, so she doesn't have any need to ask for further investigation. And likely doesn't want more either. :)

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Most of us in the 'grief' profession tell clients to do what they feel like doing - that there is no right or wrong way to grieve. I've dealt with grief and grief victims for a large portion of my life. Some of us can not get out of bed we are so grief stricken, some people can't wait to get on a regular schedule and back to work, some reach for a bottle of liquor or pills to drown or deaden their pain. Some people can't sleep, some over eat. I guess I'm saying I've seen a wide variety of responses. I've not seen someone partying with a smile on their face and lied about the child being with a nanny and still alive. Her response absolutely does not fit the incident.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Lol about the just wear blue and white. My thoughts exactly as I got dressed yesterday. I do wear my brightest red lipstick for the ocassion though per usual. :)

I guess I could just go with the blue and allow skin and hair color to cover the rest.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Yeah, the last name Grace doesn't exactly suit her. You'll love, or hate, the quote one of the guests on her show is saying this evening. 'Blame it on Zanny the Nanny to save your fanny!". Hehe

Steve Jacob 4 years ago

I did see her a few minutes after, she was about to blow. Watching her now, bring up a DUI arrest (not convicted) of jury member. Stay classy!

jhawkinsf 4 years ago

I recall a few years ago seeing a survey that said more people believed Oliver Stone's version of JFK that they believed the Warren Commission. Now, people believe all the crime drama shows like CSI. And in the absence of all kinds of forensic evidence, juries just don't believe. And they find them not guilty. Once again juries are allowing Hollywood to substitute their imagination for their own common wisdom.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Good points, jhawkins.

There is much discussion this evening on varied news shows such as CNN that most of the high profile cases are found not guilty. Examples besides this are Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson.

Then again, not being on this jury, it's hard to say why they made the decision they did except to say they obviously didn't feel, as you stated, that there was enough direct evidence linking Casey.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I'd like to see Casey's parents bring a civil suit against her. Now that would be interesting.

RoeDapple 4 years ago

Wait til she gets the movie deal though . . .

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Then they can recoup the thousands of dollars she stole from them.

beatrice 4 years ago

I have not followed this case at all and only know the absolutely basics. I do feel that if she didn't kill her child, then a special place in hell needs to be reserved for Nancy Grace. To be convicted in public opinion because of non-stop sensationalist reporting by some yammering head is simply a horrifying thought. I wonder if at any time Grace truly slandered this woman, and how much she could be sued for if she did? I'll bet she always covered her tracks by precluding all of her shows by pointing out that the woman was only "the accussed." Sickening.

Who would you rather be stuck in a broken elevator with -- Nancy Grace or Glenn Beck? Nancy Gracy or Nancy Pelosi? Nancy Grace or Ann Coulter? Nancy Grace or Michael Moore? I believe dislike for her may just cross political lines.

Of course, if this woman did kill her child but just not found guilty of doing so, she should have to spend her time in hell with Nancy Grace.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Oh my gosh! You are on a roll, Bea! The people you list are too hysterical.

The thought of spending hell with Nancy Grace is indeed frightening - especially if she feels you're guilty. I hate the term she coined for Casey; Tot Mom. It's all she ever calls her.

Imagine what Grace will be like going through menopause.

labmonkey 4 years ago

I will ask you the same thing I asked Roe... a night with Nancy Grace, or a slow death by fire ants :)

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

No fair, he had more choices.

I'm going with the fire ants. Nancy Grace is just too cruel and sadistic. :)

mom_of_three 4 years ago

But if you watched any of the case, and I watched more than i wanted to, the "special experts" on several channels all thought she was guilty of something, and they heard the same thing the jury did. NONE of them believed she would get off pretty much scott free. And she was convicted of lying to law enforcement. Lying to them about what - where her child was all that time? She was lying to cover up something, something that happened. A child is dead and even if she just did drown in a pool, i would think that would constitute child neglect or something since her body was hidden for months.

8 weeks for a trial that took 10 hours to absolve her. Something happened somewhere.
and law schmaw - we weren't there, but no one predicted this would happen, not even biaz himself.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Agreed, Mom, but remember we did see things and hear things the jury did not. Casey supposedly acted very differently when the jury was not present. We saw her laughing and flirting with the attorney, they did not.

We also heard what expects were saying that the jury did not. I do feel that they just didn't spend the time they maybe should have.

I'm sure many jury members believe her to be guilty, but they just aren't sure of what, and not enough direct evidence.

verity 4 years ago

I was comparing this to the two high profile murder cases in Lawrence that were decided on circumstantial evidence---Martin Miller and Thomas Murray.

  1. The evidence all pointed to guilt

  2. There was a very strong motive

  3. There was a plausible narrative that fit the undisputed facts

  4. Neither was up for the death penalty

This case was a muddle. As mom of 3 says, she was lying to cover something up, but we don't know what that is. The state never came up with a convincing narrative and the defense managed to muddy the water with all sorts of unsubstantiated claims.

One of the lead prosecutors just announced his retirement. I doubt the state will be pressing anymore charges---they've already been embarrassed quite enough.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I'd be very surprised if prosecutors take it any further too. As bad as I thought the defense did, questions that were never answered were raised. Good enough!

verity 4 years ago

All the defense needed to do was raise doubts. They never had to prove anything. The lead defense attorney has been criticized for his strategy, but it worked. Maybe it was bad on purpose---so bad it was good?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Agreed. It couidnt have been too bad if they won. Certainly good enough !

Mike Ford 4 years ago

this verdict flies in the face of the clueless, lifeless, flock to the bug light people with their mob mentality. they convicted her a long time ago with the help of vapid tv people like nancy snarlnose grace. what a smart country. the fifth graders win today.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Just to beat labmonkey at his own game, Nancy Grace or a slow death by fire ants?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Jessie, the jury had the capability of finding several charges besides the death penalty. They could have found first degree, pre-meditated or, manslaughter, second degree manslaughter. I think the prosecution tries for the highest possible offense in a case such as this, but the jury had many choices besides the highest or lowest. They even had child abuse in the mix. It wasn't an all or nothing case.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I think the jury understood the charges, they appear to be a bright and varied group of people who brought much knowledge with them as well as life experience. I am surprised they didn't find enough evidence of one of the charges besides lying - which was a no brainer. The judge has stated he agrees with the juries decision. Appears to be a crime with mucho coverup.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

What is strange to me is how so many people take off from work to now go to the place Kaylee's body was found as well as standing and chanting outside the courthouse. Wow! Now the Anthony family is receiving death threats!

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

It's a good thing you didn't suggest this option to the defense! It just may have been utilized by them. Bad, bad!!! :)

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I must have missed your prior comment. That's pretty good when you're outdoing your own comments. Maybe you can figure a way to outsource them too. Lol

grammaddy 4 years ago

No justice for Caylee, not today.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I agree, Gram. At some point there will be, some manner whether it's karma or another means.

RoeDapple 4 years ago

"Maybe Casey is an islamic convert and was just protecting her family's honor."

May I suggest two Blackhawk helicopters and a SEAL team?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Nah, just Palin armed with moose killing gun.

Ceallach 4 years ago

I find it amazing that a jury would find her not guilty because there wasn't enough direct evidence, yet, say her father was strange and obviously hiding something . . . with no direct evidence, just a feeling.

palin_rocks 4 years ago

Moose antlers. I will always have the memories.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

This may be inappropriate coming from a female, Sarah, but you have a nice rack, or is that wrack? Or is that set of antlers?

Kontum1972 4 years ago

thats wreck...like in train wreck u betcha,,,,

curious_one 4 years ago

Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to anyone anymore.

somedude20 4 years ago

Lets hook old Casey up with one Mr. O. J. Simpson. May you have to listen to Europe sing "The Final Countdown" on an endless loop.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

That's a scary and interesting thought.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Excellent point, Curious. Our system may not be perfect or please everyone, but it seems to have stood the test of time.

It's guilty by media these days until proven innocent without a shadow of doubt. Just think of all the other newsworthy items we missed out on.

RoeDapple 4 years ago

If this doesn't get off CNN soon I'm switchin' to FOX . . .

Cait McKnelly 4 years ago

Nooooo!!! Don't go into the light, Roe!!!

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

It's too late, Cait. I saw him as he was sucked into oblivion.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

There is no escaping it. Nancy Grace was clucking with George on the news this morning. She's everywhere - one would think she were Kalee's granny.

birdsandflowers 4 years ago

I am going to use this forum to write out my final thoughts on Caylee's death as a way to process my feelings. My heart was broken when I heard the verdict only thinking how Casey got by with it.

I have always thought she used chloroform on Caylee so she could party and one time it was too much. As far as the duct tape -- I don't know; maybe she placed it there after Caylee died to make it look like a murder if Caylee was ever found. I hate to think she did it on purpose. But then, there's always the possibility she first chloroformed her then placed the tape to suffocate her so she would "die in her sleep" making it a less painful death. Again, hate to think of that, but when nothing makes sense we try to come up with versions to help us deal with it, or at least I do.

I believe the prosecution went for the wrong charges and should have approached it as an accident. They should have gone easier on Casey's actions, personality, words, etc. only to prevent jurors from having empathy for her.

Defense celebrating!! When I saw the woman defense attorney jumping up and down with glee in a bar celebrating with champagne, I wanted to vomit~~!! That was a disgusting display! Really?? A beautiful little girl is dead and there are no other suspects to pursue to get justice for her death!! In my heart, I saw it as the attorneys celebrating that their client just got by with the death of her little girl.

While I bought into all the media surrounding this ordeal -- I strongly believe our media goes over the top in reporting way too much and we, as the public, should not be privy to anything a jury wouldn't hear or see -- jail house phone conversations, pictures, etc. Our justice systems should use gag orders to keep certain things from being released to the public until it is presented at trial.

Lastly, I think the instructions put forth before the jury made it harder for them to give a guilty plea. I'm not sure what they were (would sure like to know, though), but I think the instructions tripped up some of the jurors.

In the end, this whole matter is in God's hands. We have to believe His divine justice will prevail, that Caylee is in a happy place, and Casey will have her time in His court.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I think your version is as just and insightful as any explaination. I'm sure attorneys for both sides worked grueling hours and became attached to the outcome far more than they should in a professionally speaking manner. I too felt heartache about how callous their celebration seemed. However, one has to surmise that if the prosecution had won, they'd have celebrated in the same fashion over justice and a young women about to be put to death.

gogoplata 4 years ago

Why can the cops lie to the people they question but the people being questioned can be penalized for not telling the truth?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Because the police are doing so to protect us and gain insightful information, whereas the criminal is lying to protect their 'ass' and get away with murder. :)

gogoplata 4 years ago

Spoken like a good little sheep.

If lying is wrong the police should be prosecuted the same as everyone else.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

You gogo, Gogo

I suppose the police shouldn't be able to speed to catch criminals or 'trespass' or go the opposite direction up an alley. Riiiiiiight!!!!!!!

gogoplata 4 years ago

Police should only be able to speed while in pursuit with lights and sirens on and if they can't do that safely they should be held accountable for any bodily injury or loss of life caused by them. Police should not be able to trespass unless in active pursuit. (4th amendment)

"Because the police are doing so to protect us and gain insightful information" Riiiiiiight!!!!!!!

Or just maybe the police are trying to find the person being questioned guilty of something, anything. Many cops are just looking for something they determine to be incriminating. That is why you should never under any circumstance talk to the police! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4...

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

If only Casey would have watched that video in advance, she wouid never have lied to the police since she wouldn't have talked to them. Therefore she wouldn't have been found guilty of anything!

gogoplata 4 years ago

Everyone should watch that video.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

There again, why do people assume someone is guilty because of utilizing that right?

gogoplata 4 years ago

He talks about that in the video. Some people do assume that a person is guilty if they take the 5th but the point of the Bill of Rights is to protect the citizen from the government. It is like saying if you don't have anything to hide why wouldn't you let the police search your home without a seach warrant.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

That belief system is held by the majority, until it happens to them. Being falsely accused that is.

dogsandcats 4 years ago

I was able to use this trial to weed out my Facebook friends list. Anyone who posted stupid status updates got the ax. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) how many people were posting hateful vengeful things about the jury. The jury was only doing their job! If they want to point blame, it should be at the prosecutors. If only people cared as much about greater social ills as they do about this trial or any other media circus, the world wouldn't be such a crappy place.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Unfortunately, I would believe it. Even Nancy Grace was reduced to name calling. Oh wait a minute, she's always that way. :). She's a female criminal justice Jerry Springer one woman show at times. And she's a tough cookie and verbally abusive to her own guests and experts.

It's sad that the Anthony family is receiving death threats as well. People, what strange animals. :)

How many did you de friend?

verity 4 years ago

Caylee Anthony is beyond justice. There is nothing that can bring her back or make things right. It breaks everyone's heart that such a beautiful child is no longer among us. However, for those who know that Casey Anthony murdered Caylee---no, you don't know that. We want answers, surety and closure and for now there are no answers. Sometimes we just have to live with uncertainty.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

While I may agree with your statement about not knowing, there are thousands upon thousands who disagree. They do feel they know without a doubt. The prosecution and some of her family members may believe they know with certainty.

The jury however did not.

verity 4 years ago

You are correct. However, believing or feeling has no influence on facts and it disturbs me that so many people feel they know this and a number of other things which are only feelings.

It also disturbs me that so many people are out for blood and this episode is like red meat to mad dogs.

I didn't follow the story that closely, but there is the possibility that it was an accident that somebody tried to cover up and it also seemed like Casey's father might have been involved in some way. Yes, Casey's family or some members thereof may know what happened. I'm pretty sure the prosecution didn't. Even if they knew they didn't know, they have to act like they did. They may have known they didn't have a good case, but if they had decided not to prosecute for lack of evidence, they would have been crucified.

Justice may not have been served, but unless someone talks or other evidence comes out, this is all that we are going to get---uncertainty. It's the way the system works. As I have been told in instructions by a Lawrence judge as a potential jury member---it is better to let ten guilty people off than to convict one person who is not guilty.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

It is unsettling how many people are so crazed about the outcome - to the point they're threatening someone's life! Bizarre.

The court of public opinion has come in and it isn't positive for Casey. Who knows, a different jury may have come to a different conclusion. We'll never know that either. She's fortunate Nancy Grace didn't sit on it. :)

ferrislives 4 years ago

Nancy Grace irks me too, but the only woman burning in hell concerning this entire episode is the mother that went out and partied with a big smile on her face while her little girl was "missing". That is an undisputed fact, regardless of what Nancy Grace has to say about it. She's a sick woman, and I hope that she ends up getting what's coming to her.

LoveThsLife 4 years ago

Regardless of the verdict, I doubt Casey Anthony will have an easy life after all of this. I feel bad that Caylee was born into such weird circumstances, I just have to have faith that she is in a better place now.

The case that has really interested me is the Amanda Knox, that case is just strange.

beatrice 4 years ago

Read more about the case today than I had the entire time of the trial. Almost all of the evidence was just about attacking Casey's character, not actual evidence linking her to the death of the child. No DNA evidence, not actually knowing how the child died, just nothing. I personally have no idea why most people get tattoos of any kind -- should I consider their stupid decisions (in my opinion) to mean they are all potential murderers? If we convicted everyone for odd behavior when they aren't behaving according to social norms, there would be a lot more people in prison.

From what I read, the jury came to the absolute correct decision. There is no way they could have found her guilty "beyond a shadow of doubt." If there isn't physical evidence or witnesses, then there is doubt.

Does this mean Casey didn't commit the crime? I don't know. There just wasn't enough evidence to convict her of committing the crime. I guess this puts me in the minority on this one.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Agreed, Bea. I know the a large portion of crimes are convicted on circumstantial evidence, but this wasn't one of them. Someone got away with murder or covered up an accident. That seems difficult to believe too - the accident scenario - but truth is indeed stranger than fiction as we learn anew daily.

verity 4 years ago

Bea, it's not "beyond a shadow of doubt," it's "reasonable doubt." Not to be the correction police, but that does make a big difference, especially in circumstantial evidence trials.

I listened to one of the jurors being interviewed last night. She did indicate the the death penalty aspect had some influence on her and it also weighed on her mind that they might have set a murderer free, but she definitely felt that she could have come to no other conclusion. As you said, the prosecution had no case.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

To be among the correction police, the prosecution indeed had a case, they didn't prove all of the charges. She was found guilty of four counts of lying to police. Compared to the other charges, it wasn't a major, or life, threat. For you, myself, most individuals, four years and four thousand dollars are quite a punishment. She also will need to reimburse cost of search and trial to the state. We don't know the amount as yet, but it will be a life messer! :)

verity 4 years ago

I stand corrected.

I meant they failed to make a case for murder and didn't have the evidence to back up their claims.

beatrice 4 years ago

You reasonably doubt my use of "shadow"? I just so happened to have learned quite a bit about courtroom proceedings and the absolute proper use of law terminology from watching several hours worth of television law dramas over the years. I've seen actors play very convincing lawyers on tv, so I pretty much consider myself an expert in these matters.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Lol, that made my day. So what you're saying is that you know as much about this as the rest of us! :)

verity 4 years ago

I love shadows, just not cast over my doubt.

Lawrence_Pilot 4 years ago

Can someone please tell me how this is newsworthy for citizens of Lawrence, KS? (Or anywhere else?) We don't know this woman, never seen her except on TV, she's never been to Lawrence as far as we know. So tell me again why we should give a rat's hindparts about her?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

You mean you only watch local news? The world over follows cases such as this. They're referred to as human interest stories. We humans have a lot of interest in things that help us escape, try to help us figure out why other people act as they do, outrabhorrent an abhorrent act by what most consider a middle class family.

Lawrence_Pilot 4 years ago

Americans are obsessed with porn: Sexual porn, crime porn (like this case and any white child or girl who is killed or goes missing), and grief porn (where people grieve over or with people they don't know and have never met. Sick, sick, sick.

Do yourself and our society a favor: If you have never heard of the person, don't read the second article about them. Put the porn down for a few minutes and do something constructive.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Well, you just broke your own rule. You're on here a second time. It's not a lot different than people watching a train wreck or someone crowding towards a fire. Curiosity is a common human condition and generally not harmful to anyone. A waste of time perhaps.

tbaker 4 years ago

Not guilty does not mean innocent.

denak 4 years ago

Doesn't matter. The moment Casey killed her daughter she ceased to become a victim and became the victimizer. Casey Anthony made the decision to kill her child. She can not blame that on George Anthony.

There are 49 women on death row right now. 11 of them are there for kiling their children.

Trying to blame it all on childhood sexual abuse is the easy way out. Lets not forget who the real victim is.....the real victim was a 2 year old little girl who was murdered by her mother.

Casey could have done things differently. She could have gotten therapy. She could have taken parenting classes. She could have called child protective services.

She didn't do that. She choose to kill her child.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Who do you go to when you don't trust police, your parents, authority? She's still a very young girl.

denak 4 years ago

She isn't a young girl. She is a 25 year old woman. She was 22 when Caylee died. She was old enough to understand the ramifications of her actions. She is not the victm in this case.

The victim was a 2 year old child. Not her 22 year old mother.

denak 4 years ago

Casey Anthony got away with murder for one simple reason---decomposition.

Had Caylee been found days or even a week after her death, this would have been a much different trial. By the time, they found Caylee most of the physical evidence was gone. "Dry" cases like these are difficult to prove. And some of that is the "CSI" effect that was mentioned earlier. Juries expect everything to be laid out for them. If a prosecutor gives them A, B and D, they can't make the logical conclusion as to what C is. They think that CSI does it in 30 mins so hey, since the prosecutor didn't, then the person must be innocent. Beyond a reasonable doubt has been replaced by "no doubt"

Also, we need to get away from this notion that women/mothers don't kill their children. This is patently not true. Women/mothers are the number one killers of children in this country. We recoil from that thought because we are so invested in believing this myth that motherhood is "natural" and that it "completes" a woman and that that is the mother's natural domain but a child is killed by her mother at almost a rate of one a day in this country. Casey Anthony got away with murder because we just can't get past that erroneous cultural bias

Lastly, I know everyone grieves in their own way but if my child went missing, I wouldn't wait 31 minutes before I started searching and panicking and calling the police. I sure as heck would not wait 31 days. The fact that she waited 31 days and then repeatedly lied to the investigators pretty much says it all. Those are the actions of someone who is guilty of something , not a mom who loved her child.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

I agree with most of what you say. I work with many people who have been sexually abused or raped as well. It can be a misconception that they all turn out the same Outcome depends on age of onset of abuse, severity, how long it lasted, how it was resolved, personality of the individual, other factors such as additional abuse.

We can't group anyone, even abusers, in a lump.

denak 4 years ago

What sperm? There was never any legitimate proof that Casey Anthony was sexually abused. That was a scheme cooked up by the defense. Even the judge told the defense to back off that assertion.

Face it, sometimes people go wrong even in the best families. No history of abuse or anything.

You are making excuses for Casey Anthony. You and others are doing mental gymnastics to try and make sense of why a mother would kill her child because it is foreign in our society but the fact is women kill their children all the time and it isn't because of childhood sexual abuse.

And even if there were sexual abuse in her past, you can only use that as a excuse for so long. No one gets a free pass for murder just because they were sexually abused.

verity 4 years ago

I find it very disturbing that you "know" that Casey Anthony got away with murder---and you know what juries expect.

Not everybody watches CSI---I avoid it like the plague.

Just because Ms. Anthony didn't do what you would have done doesn't make her a murderer. And even if she is, it was not proven.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

There are many who feel this strongly. It sounds as though a few who sat on the jury believed her to be guilty. You're correct, it wasn't proven of what she had done except lying.

denak 4 years ago

It wasn't proven because the body was so badly decomposed. Not because she didn't do it.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

We don't know who did it. We can only surmise. There aren't a lot of mothers who kill their children. It's a rarity. Casey is a young woman. Brains aren't finished developing until age 25. Add sexual abuse to the mix and she wouid have been stunted emotionally and even less mature. Not making excuses, trying to find understanding and compassion. Dear daddy knows

much more than he's saying. Again, she is the way she is for a reason. The defense talks about how dysfunctional the family is.

Btw,you should have been an attorney! You hold your own quite well. Heaven forbid if you'd been on the jury. It would have been a hung jury or a hanged Casey!

Does any if this let Casey off the hook? No, the jury did that. The rest of the family needs to accept their input

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Denak,

Possible so. Possibly the assistance and knowledge from her father - ex cop - kept evidence from being left to begin with. It could have been his idea to toss the bags into a place that would destroy the evidence.

I agree with smitty. Why the doubt of sexual abuse? She is a product of something horrific. Why else does she hate her father and have no respect for her mother. Again, her brother was crying for a reason on the stand.

Not being told his sister had become pregnant wouldn't cause a reaction such as he had. Guilt over his role in the death of Kaylee because of her mother's sexual abuse maybe would be. 1 in 4 girls are sexually molested by the time they are 18. This girl is a monster for a reason.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

It can.

And Denak, without DNA evidence, how do we know it wasn't dear old daddy? The defense used him as a scapegoat for a reason. That's why I ask in my blog if he'll be charged. A few main problems: Casey would have to testify and she's a liar, and no DNA evidence.

denak 4 years ago

They used him because it was an easy red herring to throw out there. Divert from the real issue. Use race in the O.J. Simpson trial andyou can divert the jury's attention away from the domestic violence issue. Throw in the "casey was molested" red herring and divert the jury's attention from the real issue of Caylee's murder.

And you are right. There is NO DNA evidence, no evidence whatsoever that George ever molested Casey. Even the juge told the defense to back off that assertion.

And once again, regardless of whether or not Casey Anthony was molested as a child, she still had a choice as an adult woman of 22. She chose to kill her child. She is not the victim here. Caylee is the victim.

denak 4 years ago

No, it doesn't. He RETIRED. People retire. Nothing sinister about that.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

My take on Smitty's comment is that he'd know how to get rid of DNA and the body because of his knowledge.

denak 4 years ago

So, if she is a monster for a reason, then all murderers are a monster for a reason???

People don't kill for greed, for revenge, for the thrill of it???

People kill for a number of reasons and it has nothing to do with their upbringing.

People want to find a reason for why she did what she did so they can label it, tuck it in the back of the minds and go on with their lives. They don't want to face the fact that there are just some people on this Earth that are sociopathic. They don't feel remorse. They don't care.

This is not the first time a mother has killed in order to get rid of an unwanted child. It won't be the last time. Women kill and they kill for the same reasons that men kill. We, as a society, are just conditioned to think of excuses for why women kill and we are conditioned to just accept male violence.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Smitty,

If it isn't too much to ask, would you post this on my latest blog so more people are aware of it? I believe it speaks volumes about Casey.

Thanks!

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

But so many other instances and realities and examples and outcome. One story in a million in the naked city.

I never understood why the defense didn't use insanity as their defense. The defense attorney certainly stated recently how messed up she is neurologically.

verity 4 years ago

Interesting thought. My opinion would be that insanity has become a very suspect plea and often hard to prove. Also, wouldn't that entail admitting that she was guilty of murder and possibly meaning she would spend years in an institution until she was cured and not dangerous? I would imagine they considered it and considering the evidence (or lack thereof), decided against it.

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

True, but it would have beaten the death penalty! :)

Besides it's innocent by reason of insanity - not guilty.

Perhaps the fact that she lied so much precluded the ability to use that defense. Lying shows you knew what you were doing was wrong. Isn't that in part how they prove innocent by reason of insanity. Not being sane enough to know what they did was wrong?

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

That's a shame. Hopefully she's well not and didn't pass the legacy along to off spring of her own.

verity 4 years ago

You made me curious, so I looked it up.

From Wikipedia: "A defendant claiming insanity is pleading "not guilty by reason of insanity" (NGRI) or "guilty but insane/mentally ill" in some jurisdictions which, if successful, may result in the defendant being committed to a psychiatric facility for an indeterminate period."

Although "innocent by reason of insanity" is sometimes used by the press, as far as I can tell the "not guilty by reason of insanity" plea is what is offered in court.

I'm sure "edbyrdstarr" would know---where is byrd when you need him?

From the Psychiatric News April 19, 2002 http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/37/8/24.full

“There are good studies showing that a successful insanity defense occurs in less than 1 percent of all criminal prosecutions,” said Jeffrey Metzner, M.D., immediate past president of the American Academy of Psychiatry and Law (AAPL) and chair of APA’s Council on Psychiatry and the Law. “If Andrea Yates wasn’t found legally insane, you know it’s pretty difficult to find anyone not guilty by reason of insanity.”

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Thanks for hunting this down and posting. Close, but no cigar on my part. :)

What about that twinkie defense. There have been some strange ones!

I still am haunted by the two brothers who shot and killed their parents and claimed sexual abuse by the father. I totally believed them and they were found guilty.

I believe there was a special about them a couple of years back. I'm blanking on their names - mendara or some such.

Now I'm going to have to google them.

Cait McKnelly 4 years ago

My husband (a law student) told me some time ago to never ever talk to the police for any reason, even if it's just a witness statement, without an attorney present representing you. Police can be (and when it comes to the blue line, for the most part are) corrupt. I watched a so called "narcotics squad" rip through a woman's house, deliberately shattering china and glass family heirlooms, destroying her computer and literally ripping the back door off of her house. They took knives to her furniture, ripping stuffing out of cushions and mattresses. Her crime? She had been "approached" by a police officer at a bar and turned down his "offer". They arrested her for having "meth materials" when they found a 20 year old bottle of acetone, with a cap so rusted you couldn't take it off, in her basement. It was left there by a previous home owner. This was on a Friday night so of course she was jailed for the weekend before she could get an attorney and get before a judge. She was chronically ill with diabetes and didn't receive medication or insulin for the entire time she was in jail. When she was finally released her attorney took her straight from the jail to the hospital. She was admitted and remained there for three days. All of this because she insulted a police officer by refusing to give him "what he wanted".

Ronda Miller 4 years ago

Now that'd scary. I think the point of the shared video was that we shouldn't speak to the police even with an attorney.

Whoever has the biggest weapon often wins. Injustice!

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