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Casey Anthony found guilty on four counts of lying.

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In a court case that has captivated not only our nation, but the rest of the world, taken control of top news channels for years, and made everyone hate rather than feel empathy for a young mother who lost a daughter, it is shocking to hear it's all over.

The jury is in and Casey is out - of trouble that is. She can receive up to one year of prison time for each of the four counts of lying she's been found guilty of. I'm guessing she's served almost three years already.

What are your thoughts about the verdict? Do you feel Casey's father should go on trial for the numerous and horrendous crimes her defense team accused him of?

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Now that'd scary. I think the point of the shared video was that we shouldn't speak to the police even with an attorney.

Whoever has the biggest weapon often wins. Injustice!

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Cait McKnelly 2 years, 9 months ago

My husband (a law student) told me some time ago to never ever talk to the police for any reason, even if it's just a witness statement, without an attorney present representing you. Police can be (and when it comes to the blue line, for the most part are) corrupt. I watched a so called "narcotics squad" rip through a woman's house, deliberately shattering china and glass family heirlooms, destroying her computer and literally ripping the back door off of her house. They took knives to her furniture, ripping stuffing out of cushions and mattresses. Her crime? She had been "approached" by a police officer at a bar and turned down his "offer". They arrested her for having "meth materials" when they found a 20 year old bottle of acetone, with a cap so rusted you couldn't take it off, in her basement. It was left there by a previous home owner. This was on a Friday night so of course she was jailed for the weekend before she could get an attorney and get before a judge. She was chronically ill with diabetes and didn't receive medication or insulin for the entire time she was in jail. When she was finally released her attorney took her straight from the jail to the hospital. She was admitted and remained there for three days. All of this because she insulted a police officer by refusing to give him "what he wanted".

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

True, but it would have beaten the death penalty! :)

Besides it's innocent by reason of insanity - not guilty.

Perhaps the fact that she lied so much precluded the ability to use that defense. Lying shows you knew what you were doing was wrong. Isn't that in part how they prove innocent by reason of insanity. Not being sane enough to know what they did was wrong?

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

But so many other instances and realities and examples and outcome. One story in a million in the naked city.

I never understood why the defense didn't use insanity as their defense. The defense attorney certainly stated recently how messed up she is neurologically.

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smitty 2 years, 9 months ago

First person adult sexual abuse survivor ....bears repeating...

Adult Survivor and pathological lying

I am a 51 year old survivor of child sexual, physical, emotional and psychological abuse. I have developed many coping mechanisms over the years, and I think the one that has been the most destructive is the 'false self' I developed; a part of that being a compulsive liar. The first and biggest lie was that the abuse really didn't happen.

For me, being told not to tell anyone also taught me to lie. Being told I was worthless and will never be good for anything taught me that I had to be something other than who I was. I began to tell elaborate lies about myself, my accomplishments, my social and professional dealings, and personal history. I was starved for the attention and approval I so desperately needed, so I fabricated ways to get those needs met.

I don't know exactly when I began to lose myself to the shame and guilt of what happened to me, but I developed the persona that I thought was what I should be, seemingly open and friendly on the surface, but always hiding the person I really was. After awhile my true self began to dissolve and crumble under the weight of my life of lies, and I actually began to believe them as truth.

I lied about things that really didn't even matter. I lied about nothing and anything... all the time aware that they were lies, but I had become so afraid to be honest because somehow it would make me vulnerable. I had woven a tapestry of deceit, and the thought of it becoming shredded and thread-barren by the truth prevented me from developing intimate, honest relationships. It was so much easier to lie than to face reality!....

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Denak,

Possible so. Possibly the assistance and knowledge from her father - ex cop - kept evidence from being left to begin with. It could have been his idea to toss the bags into a place that would destroy the evidence.

I agree with smitty. Why the doubt of sexual abuse? She is a product of something horrific. Why else does she hate her father and have no respect for her mother. Again, her brother was crying for a reason on the stand.

Not being told his sister had become pregnant wouldn't cause a reaction such as he had. Guilt over his role in the death of Kaylee because of her mother's sexual abuse maybe would be. 1 in 4 girls are sexually molested by the time they are 18. This girl is a monster for a reason.

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denak 2 years, 9 months ago

Casey Anthony got away with murder for one simple reason---decomposition.

Had Caylee been found days or even a week after her death, this would have been a much different trial. By the time, they found Caylee most of the physical evidence was gone. "Dry" cases like these are difficult to prove. And some of that is the "CSI" effect that was mentioned earlier. Juries expect everything to be laid out for them. If a prosecutor gives them A, B and D, they can't make the logical conclusion as to what C is. They think that CSI does it in 30 mins so hey, since the prosecutor didn't, then the person must be innocent. Beyond a reasonable doubt has been replaced by "no doubt"

Also, we need to get away from this notion that women/mothers don't kill their children. This is patently not true. Women/mothers are the number one killers of children in this country. We recoil from that thought because we are so invested in believing this myth that motherhood is "natural" and that it "completes" a woman and that that is the mother's natural domain but a child is killed by her mother at almost a rate of one a day in this country. Casey Anthony got away with murder because we just can't get past that erroneous cultural bias

Lastly, I know everyone grieves in their own way but if my child went missing, I wouldn't wait 31 minutes before I started searching and panicking and calling the police. I sure as heck would not wait 31 days. The fact that she waited 31 days and then repeatedly lied to the investigators pretty much says it all. Those are the actions of someone who is guilty of something , not a mom who loved her child.

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smitty 2 years, 9 months ago

Such a shameful, shallow discussion by the majority of posters.

Read up on adult behavior in sexually abused children. Some is posted above including a first person description of the personality disorders..

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tbaker 2 years, 9 months ago

Not guilty does not mean innocent.

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Lawrence_Pilot 2 years, 9 months ago

Americans are obsessed with porn: Sexual porn, crime porn (like this case and any white child or girl who is killed or goes missing), and grief porn (where people grieve over or with people they don't know and have never met. Sick, sick, sick.

Do yourself and our society a favor: If you have never heard of the person, don't read the second article about them. Put the porn down for a few minutes and do something constructive.

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Lawrence_Pilot 2 years, 9 months ago

Can someone please tell me how this is newsworthy for citizens of Lawrence, KS? (Or anywhere else?) We don't know this woman, never seen her except on TV, she's never been to Lawrence as far as we know. So tell me again why we should give a rat's hindparts about her?

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beatrice 2 years, 9 months ago

Read more about the case today than I had the entire time of the trial. Almost all of the evidence was just about attacking Casey's character, not actual evidence linking her to the death of the child. No DNA evidence, not actually knowing how the child died, just nothing. I personally have no idea why most people get tattoos of any kind -- should I consider their stupid decisions (in my opinion) to mean they are all potential murderers? If we convicted everyone for odd behavior when they aren't behaving according to social norms, there would be a lot more people in prison.

From what I read, the jury came to the absolute correct decision. There is no way they could have found her guilty "beyond a shadow of doubt." If there isn't physical evidence or witnesses, then there is doubt.

Does this mean Casey didn't commit the crime? I don't know. There just wasn't enough evidence to convict her of committing the crime. I guess this puts me in the minority on this one.

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LoveThsLife 2 years, 9 months ago

Regardless of the verdict, I doubt Casey Anthony will have an easy life after all of this. I feel bad that Caylee was born into such weird circumstances, I just have to have faith that she is in a better place now.

The case that has really interested me is the Amanda Knox, that case is just strange.

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ferrislives 2 years, 9 months ago

Nancy Grace irks me too, but the only woman burning in hell concerning this entire episode is the mother that went out and partied with a big smile on her face while her little girl was "missing". That is an undisputed fact, regardless of what Nancy Grace has to say about it. She's a sick woman, and I hope that she ends up getting what's coming to her.

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verity 2 years, 9 months ago

Caylee Anthony is beyond justice. There is nothing that can bring her back or make things right. It breaks everyone's heart that such a beautiful child is no longer among us. However, for those who know that Casey Anthony murdered Caylee---no, you don't know that. We want answers, surety and closure and for now there are no answers. Sometimes we just have to live with uncertainty.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Unfortunately, I would believe it. Even Nancy Grace was reduced to name calling. Oh wait a minute, she's always that way. :). She's a female criminal justice Jerry Springer one woman show at times. And she's a tough cookie and verbally abusive to her own guests and experts.

It's sad that the Anthony family is receiving death threats as well. People, what strange animals. :)

How many did you de friend?

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dogsandcats 2 years, 9 months ago

I was able to use this trial to weed out my Facebook friends list. Anyone who posted stupid status updates got the ax. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) how many people were posting hateful vengeful things about the jury. The jury was only doing their job! If they want to point blame, it should be at the prosecutors. If only people cared as much about greater social ills as they do about this trial or any other media circus, the world wouldn't be such a crappy place.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Because the police are doing so to protect us and gain insightful information, whereas the criminal is lying to protect their 'ass' and get away with murder. :)

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gogoplata 2 years, 9 months ago

Why can the cops lie to the people they question but the people being questioned can be penalized for not telling the truth?

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birdsandflowers 2 years, 9 months ago

I am going to use this forum to write out my final thoughts on Caylee's death as a way to process my feelings. My heart was broken when I heard the verdict only thinking how Casey got by with it.

I have always thought she used chloroform on Caylee so she could party and one time it was too much. As far as the duct tape -- I don't know; maybe she placed it there after Caylee died to make it look like a murder if Caylee was ever found. I hate to think she did it on purpose. But then, there's always the possibility she first chloroformed her then placed the tape to suffocate her so she would "die in her sleep" making it a less painful death. Again, hate to think of that, but when nothing makes sense we try to come up with versions to help us deal with it, or at least I do.

I believe the prosecution went for the wrong charges and should have approached it as an accident. They should have gone easier on Casey's actions, personality, words, etc. only to prevent jurors from having empathy for her.

Defense celebrating!! When I saw the woman defense attorney jumping up and down with glee in a bar celebrating with champagne, I wanted to vomit~~!! That was a disgusting display! Really?? A beautiful little girl is dead and there are no other suspects to pursue to get justice for her death!! In my heart, I saw it as the attorneys celebrating that their client just got by with the death of her little girl.

While I bought into all the media surrounding this ordeal -- I strongly believe our media goes over the top in reporting way too much and we, as the public, should not be privy to anything a jury wouldn't hear or see -- jail house phone conversations, pictures, etc. Our justice systems should use gag orders to keep certain things from being released to the public until it is presented at trial.

Lastly, I think the instructions put forth before the jury made it harder for them to give a guilty plea. I'm not sure what they were (would sure like to know, though), but I think the instructions tripped up some of the jurors.

In the end, this whole matter is in God's hands. We have to believe His divine justice will prevail, that Caylee is in a happy place, and Casey will have her time in His court.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

There is no escaping it. Nancy Grace was clucking with George on the news this morning. She's everywhere - one would think she were Kalee's granny.

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RoeDapple 2 years, 9 months ago

If this doesn't get off CNN soon I'm switchin' to FOX . . .

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Excellent point, Curious. Our system may not be perfect or please everyone, but it seems to have stood the test of time.

It's guilty by media these days until proven innocent without a shadow of doubt. Just think of all the other newsworthy items we missed out on.

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somedude20 2 years, 9 months ago

Lets hook old Casey up with one Mr. O. J. Simpson. May you have to listen to Europe sing "The Final Countdown" on an endless loop.

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curious_one 2 years, 9 months ago

Innocent until proven guilty mean anything to anyone anymore.

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palin_rocks 2 years, 9 months ago

Moose antlers. I will always have the memories.

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Ceallach 2 years, 9 months ago

I find it amazing that a jury would find her not guilty because there wasn't enough direct evidence, yet, say her father was strange and obviously hiding something . . . with no direct evidence, just a feeling.

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RoeDapple 2 years, 9 months ago

"Maybe Casey is an islamic convert and was just protecting her family's honor."

May I suggest two Blackhawk helicopters and a SEAL team?

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grammaddy 2 years, 9 months ago

No justice for Caylee, not today.

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Gandalf 2 years, 9 months ago

Maybe Casey is an islamic convert and was just protecting her family's honor.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

What is strange to me is how so many people take off from work to now go to the place Kaylee's body was found as well as standing and chanting outside the courthouse. Wow! Now the Anthony family is receiving death threats!

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Jessie, the jury had the capability of finding several charges besides the death penalty. They could have found first degree, pre-meditated or, manslaughter, second degree manslaughter. I think the prosecution tries for the highest possible offense in a case such as this, but the jury had many choices besides the highest or lowest. They even had child abuse in the mix. It wasn't an all or nothing case.

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Roland Gunslinger 2 years, 9 months ago

I think the prosecution over reached when going for first degree murder. Had they sought a conviction on a lesser degree of murder they probably would have got it.

Premeditation is what the prosecution didn't prove. What if it was a negligent homicide that she tried to cover up? That isn't premeditated. That's why the jury acquitted. The prosecution couldn't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Casey intended to murder her child.

Also this was a death penalty case. I believe the jury erred on the side of caution due to the publicity of recent post-conviction exonerations.

Sad day for Caylee.

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Mike Ford 2 years, 9 months ago

this verdict flies in the face of the clueless, lifeless, flock to the bug light people with their mob mentality. they convicted her a long time ago with the help of vapid tv people like nancy snarlnose grace. what a smart country. the fifth graders win today.

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verity 2 years, 9 months ago

I was comparing this to the two high profile murder cases in Lawrence that were decided on circumstantial evidence---Martin Miller and Thomas Murray.

  1. The evidence all pointed to guilt

  2. There was a very strong motive

  3. There was a plausible narrative that fit the undisputed facts

  4. Neither was up for the death penalty

This case was a muddle. As mom of 3 says, she was lying to cover something up, but we don't know what that is. The state never came up with a convincing narrative and the defense managed to muddy the water with all sorts of unsubstantiated claims.

One of the lead prosecutors just announced his retirement. I doubt the state will be pressing anymore charges---they've already been embarrassed quite enough.

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mom_of_three 2 years, 9 months ago

But if you watched any of the case, and I watched more than i wanted to, the "special experts" on several channels all thought she was guilty of something, and they heard the same thing the jury did. NONE of them believed she would get off pretty much scott free. And she was convicted of lying to law enforcement. Lying to them about what - where her child was all that time? She was lying to cover up something, something that happened. A child is dead and even if she just did drown in a pool, i would think that would constitute child neglect or something since her body was hidden for months.

8 weeks for a trial that took 10 hours to absolve her. Something happened somewhere.
and law schmaw - we weren't there, but no one predicted this would happen, not even biaz himself.

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beatrice 2 years, 9 months ago

I have not followed this case at all and only know the absolutely basics. I do feel that if she didn't kill her child, then a special place in hell needs to be reserved for Nancy Grace. To be convicted in public opinion because of non-stop sensationalist reporting by some yammering head is simply a horrifying thought. I wonder if at any time Grace truly slandered this woman, and how much she could be sued for if she did? I'll bet she always covered her tracks by precluding all of her shows by pointing out that the woman was only "the accussed." Sickening.

Who would you rather be stuck in a broken elevator with -- Nancy Grace or Glenn Beck? Nancy Gracy or Nancy Pelosi? Nancy Grace or Ann Coulter? Nancy Grace or Michael Moore? I believe dislike for her may just cross political lines.

Of course, if this woman did kill her child but just not found guilty of doing so, she should have to spend her time in hell with Nancy Grace.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

I'd like to see Casey's parents bring a civil suit against her. Now that would be interesting.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Good points, jhawkins.

There is much discussion this evening on varied news shows such as CNN that most of the high profile cases are found not guilty. Examples besides this are Michael Jackson and O.J. Simpson.

Then again, not being on this jury, it's hard to say why they made the decision they did except to say they obviously didn't feel, as you stated, that there was enough direct evidence linking Casey.

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jhawkinsf 2 years, 9 months ago

I recall a few years ago seeing a survey that said more people believed Oliver Stone's version of JFK that they believed the Warren Commission. Now, people believe all the crime drama shows like CSI. And in the absence of all kinds of forensic evidence, juries just don't believe. And they find them not guilty. Once again juries are allowing Hollywood to substitute their imagination for their own common wisdom.

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Multidisciplinary 2 years, 9 months ago

I do not watch Nancy Grace, well...because she's who she is. LOL. But I would have paid good money to see her when she heard the news..and for the next 24 hours. She's gonna blow...just a matter of when and where. XD

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Multidisciplinary 2 years, 9 months ago

"...but who goes out and parties when their daughter is missing or dead?" - Ronda 1) I have no idea what this mother did when she went out.

However, I know first hand and from talking with others, that in stressful situations, following a death, long term illness, etc... therapists, doctors, counselors,clergy and even SRS will tell parents not to stay in all the time. They are urged to take a break from the situation, home, hospital for their own emotional and physical health.

Yes, it may seem odd. You might think they would sit by the phone for years, or stay at the hospital 24/7. But that's not what is currently recommended for parents, siblings, etc.

In fact, it can be right down hard to make yourself do. It takes practice, letting go of it all just long to go out for a few hours routinely.(of course that cell phone in on your hip) You may not feel like being in public, or seeing anyone. Going out for dinner can be hell at first. Our first time out, to see a movie? What Dreams May Come. Cuba Gooding, Robin Williams. Where their children die, etc. etc. We sat in horror, tears pouring down both our faces. We of course had no idea before we went. It nearly killed us all over again. I think it was a test of strength that we didn't walk out early. Imagine, being single, being urged to get out of the house. You call a friend, they invite you to join them. It happens to be a party atmosphere, people you know.Or say, somewhere you used to go, a local place, such as the Sandbar. At least you know they know you're ok. Doesn't mean you can really party, or that you wouldn't like to just be home, in bed, with everything okay as it used to be.

I have friends that have been railroaded by spouses, manipulated by the spouse's lawyers and friends in the legal system. I've seen people write outrageous lies about someone, and thankfully, they had proof that the antagonist was lying. Thank goodness they did.

While I have no idea what is true in this case, I do know the media went wild, and we've seen before how wrong they can make things. Witch hunts. I'm glad we have a legal system, that requires more than hearsay and circumstance. I wish it worked better. Some get life, and they are innocent. We've seen that. Those offenders were often the victims of witch hunts. Others aren't caught, or not enough evidence.

I'm glad I wasn't on that jury. I really feel for those who were. Good that you put this up, people have been a bit crazed since the verdict.

Question...on the 4th, do you just wear blue and white? :) I'd never thought of that before.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

She knows what happened. She says it was a horrible accident rather than a murder, so she doesn't have any need to ask for further investigation. And likely doesn't want more either. :)

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birdsandflowers 2 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, and a truly innocent mother would expect, if not demand, the case to be re-opened, but since this is Casey Anthony -- not gonna happen.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Interesting thought. If the prosecution still believes it was a homicide and committed by someone other than Casey. Maybe they will let it drop as an accident. That's difficult to believe.

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birdsandflowers 2 years, 9 months ago

So will they have to re-open the investigation to find the "real" killer?

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Not a Nancy Grace fan, eh? Lol. She's a strange one. How did she get that show? I can think of about anyone I'd prefer to listen and watch.

I don't predict Casey will have a wonderful life, but guilt sure hasn't seemed to get in the way of a pursuit for happiness, nor the death of her daughter, so what do I know?

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RoeDapple 2 years, 9 months ago

"I'm appalled that every few months we get one of these National Enquirer sorts of stories to distract us."

Me too deec. Nancy Grace and Jane Velez-Mitchell will be searching for something new to screech about for sure.

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RoeDapple 2 years, 9 months ago

Since she was not convicted of murdering her daughter she can legally pursue book/talk show/movie deals. Very likely could make millions. Will probably meth herself into oblivion.

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verity 2 years, 9 months ago

I think the outrage of many Americans to this verdict has shown that too many people don't understand the law. Not guilty doesn't necessarily mean the jury thinks she is innocent. The prosecution just didn't prove anything except that she lied. None of us were in the courtroom, but I suspect the jury did the right thing.

Nobody except Casey Anthony and perhaps certain members of her family know what happened. There was obviously more here than we know about and I suspect we would be shocked and horrified if we knew what went on in that family.

As for her father going on trial---was there ever any proof that he did what they accused him of? The DNA tests sort of blew a lot of that out of the water. Not saying he didn't, but again you have to have proof.

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deec 2 years, 9 months ago

Just to put this in perspective, Per the CDC, in 2008 in 16 reporting states ( AK, CO, GA, KY, MD, MA, NJ, NM, NC, OK, OR, RI, SC, UT, VA, WI), 136 kids were killed by a parent. That's one every roughly 2.7 days. I'm appalled that every few months we get one of these National Enquirer sorts of stories to distract us. Why is one child's murder more heinous than others? Usually because there are some sordid accusations involved. It's prurient "slowing down to look at the car wreck" nonsense promulgated by the media to keep our baser selves amused. End screed.

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Steve Jacob 2 years, 9 months ago

I did not pay any attention to this until today. Weak motive, no physical evidence. What is a jury supposed to do?

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

I didn't see the World Cup.

I tried to avoid the trial too, but alais, I got sucked in. :)

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

Yanman,

It will be interesting to see what the juriors have to say about their decision. I absolutely didn't feel that the prosecution had a clearly defined pre meditated verdict, but who goes out and parties when their daughter is missing or dead?

I think Casey is screwed up in the head for a reason. I think Casey wasn't charged by her parents for stealing all those checks and money from her mom for a reason. I think George knows why.

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yanman 2 years, 9 months ago

I cannot believe this woman killed her daughter and will walk away with time served while on trial. Goes to show, if a woman kills her child the belief in juries is that she brought them into this world so she can take them out as well. Once again, Lady Justice shows she is not only blind but stupid as well. I did think the defense attorney showed some class with his post trial comments.

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Ronda Miller 2 years, 9 months ago

I agree I would have been hard pressed to find her guilty of first degree, pre meditated murder, but I'd sure have bet money against this outcome. Wow!

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