Anna Undercover Mini-Blog: Strippers > Ignorant Jerks

Posted by Anna Undercover February 26, 2010 at 2:23 a.m.

Anna Undercover Mini-Blog: Strippers > Ignorant Jerks

This entry is about bad commenters who bully me in the comments section of this blog. It was prompted by one sexist jerk's comment on the last entry (shown in the second graphic below). I decided I've had enough, and I'm going to do something about it.

If you're a reasonable person, whether you like this blog or not, this post was not written for you. Please, keep on keepin' on, and start your own blog so people hear you out. If this one offers any lesson to be learned (so far), it's that you better get out there and tell your story or people will still have an excuse to be wrong about you.

And grab some popcorn. This might get interesting. Here's some dirt to start you off: See the comment timestamped 4:47 a.m. for one of the meanest things I've ever said in my life.

(Added 5:37 p.m. EST on 2-26-10: Please read the rest of this blog to the song "We're Not Gonna Take It" by Twisted Sister. Hi C.)!

But for those endowed with rubber skulls, a poor education, and extreme satisfaction through attacking others, let this fabulously on-point XKCD web comic be the first stop on your way to overcoming your interest in bullying people on the Internet.

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Yep.

And I'm done with this crap, too:

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"Wow, you're so arrogant!"

Sigh. Yeah, but this post showing "loud dumb people" that they're loud and dumb doesn't make me arrogant. I'm just another frustrated blogger shaking her tiny fist at the sky. And dude--do recognize that you're essentially reading my diary, so please don't act surprised that it's all about, um, me... and... my... job.

Your stupid is showing when you call a blogger self-obsessed.

"You hate my comments?! Well, I'm not going anywhere!"

Great! Every comment on this blog is a +1 for it, whether you think your tone is negative or not. You do, after all, know where your back button is.

Really, really, really hate the stripper blog?! Ooooh! I can feel it from here. :) Silence is the key if you want to make your point. Otherwise, you're just helping it out.

But, anger and jealousy can no more bear to lose sight of their objects than love, so I totally get it if you stick around. :)

Copy and paste the link:

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AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

Thanks to George for the twice borrowed (OK, blatantly stolen) ammo.
February 26, 2010 at 2:24 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

See xkcd.com for more language, math, and truth than your average "loud dumb" person can handle.
February 26, 2010 at 2:32 a.m.
denak (anonymous) says…

"...Yeah, but this post showing "loud dumb people" that they're loud and dumb doesn't make me arrogant...."

No, but six blogs in roughly 4 days does. Really, seriously, just how much attention do you need???

And they are only "loud, dumb people' if they disagree with you. If they agree with you, then you are sweet little miss buttercup who thinks they are brilliant.

Dena
February 26, 2010 at 2:48 a.m.
Damian666 (anonymous) says…

I think I heard something, "SNAP!"
February 26, 2010 at 2:55 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@denak
Your continued commenting indicates how important this blog is to you.

Even though you (allegedly) have kids to take care of and (allegedly) have a job where you (allegedly) work, I am flattered that you devote so much focus to my personal diary. You don't always understand every word---and lord knows you're still sharpening your argument skills---but I do appreciate the little engine that tried.

You go, girl!
February 26, 2010 at 2:58 a.m.
Damian666 (anonymous) says…

"Crackle"
February 26, 2010 at 3:09 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@Damian666
Lol, perhaps. I've been pretty nice up until now.

"Loud dumb people" make the Internet less fun, and sometimes it's good to stand up to them, even if it's an uphill battle.
February 26, 2010 at 3:11 a.m.
denak (anonymous) says…

"....and lord knows you're still sharpening your argument skill...."

At least I argue and not run away and hide whenever someone challenges me.

And just in case you are wondering, you're not dissing me or even showing me up. You are going to try harder than that.

It constantly amuses me that you, for some reason, seem to think that your blog is exempt from criticism or that you are somehow special in that regard. I can assure you that you and your blog are not. And if you ever were to pull yourself away from your own self-delusion, you would realize that I post on plenty of other stories and most the time at length. (A feat you, somehow, can't seem to manage. Wonder why?

Dena

P.S. Thank you for paying so close attention to *my* life.
February 26, 2010 at 3:20 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@denak
Don't use big words you don't understand.

Also, cutting and pasting links to press releases you haven't read does not constitute making an argument.

Honestly, honey, you know where I work, and thanks to Twitter, it's easy to find out when I'm there. So any time you want to see what a strip club is like, you're very able to do so, providing you read and follow the rules listed on the wall before you come in.
February 26, 2010 at 3:39 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@denak
What sucks the most about verbally beating you up like this is that it doesn't even feel good.

But you (and others) try to bully me with your blatant sexism, your jerk comments, and other tactics, like the hate mail I got a week or two ago. You're not even that nice to other commenters.

No customer treats me like you jerks do. Ever. You've come at me for a couple months now, and I'm done with your bad behavior.

It's time you absorbed this:

You're under-educated, you're ignorant, and you're not bright enough to make up the difference. Educate yourself or learn some new tricks.

The End.
February 26, 2010 at 4:47 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

[I just added the top paragraph so non-bullies won't feel attacked].
February 26, 2010 at 4:52 a.m.
Soap (anonymous) says…

loading haters..
███████████████████] 99% Complete..
February 26, 2010 at 5:35 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@Soap
This is why I'm hot.
February 26, 2010 at 5:37 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@scottpewenofkit
That's pretty rich coming from another Internet tough guy whose first comment on this blog (that I noticed) was that it "gives you AIDS."

That was shortly after you said:

"Lawrence is a very small-minded town. For a college town, there is a very heavy emphasis on anti-intellectualism."

This comment of yours can be found here:
http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/sigma...

You're a class act, my friend.
February 26, 2010 at 6:11 a.m.
justforfun (anonymous) says…

WOW Anna!
Maybe you need to get some sleep. Seem pretty pissed today. =)
February 26, 2010 at 6:14 a.m.
cait48 (anonymous) says…

I so love you, Anna :) You go girl! One of my favorite quotes is from a number of years ago on a web blog I still follow. The author said, "This is the internet. It's as civilized as a Viking raiding party." But at least you don't have nasty memories from the days of Usenet.
February 26, 2010 at 6:20 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@justforfun
Oh, yes. I do need to sleep. But sometimes, the bullies need to feel the pain, so I'm bringing it until my flight leaves or I fall asleep, whichever ends up happening first. :) Or maybe I'll get breakfast.

Mean people suck, and they need to be taught a lesson. ::whip crack::
February 26, 2010 at 6:20 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@cait48
Right back atcha, girlie, and I *love* the Viking raiding party quote. So applicable.
February 26, 2010 at 6:21 a.m.
Liberty275 (anonymous) says…

"Anyone can be a stripper."

LOL. Try to get people to pay money to look at you naked. You'll probably go broke.

What is it? Jump on the stripper day? Come to think of it, that would be my kind of day.
February 26, 2010 at 6:38 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@Liberty275
There are certainly some people in this world I'd pay to keep their clothes on, and who knows? Maybe some of them make jerks of themselves on this blog.
February 26, 2010 at 6:40 a.m.
somebodynew (anonymous) says…

@Anna -
I personally love your blogs (and the people who actually know me are either gasping right now, or laughing so hard they can't stand up) and read them all the time. I would actually like to meet you and have a decent conversation, BUT - you do realize that by trying to "take on" the mean and hateful posters you are starting a war which cannot be won, don't you???

I have been around the LJW posts long enough to know there are people who post on here that will argue at anything, and can never be anything but nasty. And that is what makes them happy. The more you pay attention to them and confront them the better they feel. There is nothing that can shame or embarrass these people (except being nice to them), as this is what they live for.

Yes, I know, it must be an extremely miserable existence, but that is them. I just hope you can find a way to ignore them as you seem to have a really good attitude about things and I would hate to see you lose that because of some idiotic trolls who are just baiting you.
February 26, 2010 at 6:49 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@somebodynew and @notjustyoureverydayaveragetrol
Oh I totally agree. It's a Viking raid party, as @cait48 quoted earlier.

But eventually, when people are trying to get to you, you need to stand up for yourself. So I am. :)

I may be feeding the trolls, but they need to know what they're doing isn't OK.

And thank you, @somebodynew. Fear not! Good attitude still intact. :) Just on holiday.
February 26, 2010 at 6:54 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

Aaaaand the snow is paralyzing New York transit. I better get my butt on the subway or I'm going to miss my noontime flight, lol.

Signing off soon.

Enjoy the 'haters'' ball and have some laughs for me.
February 26, 2010 at 6:57 a.m.
somebodynew (anonymous) says…

Good Luck Anna with the travel. That can be a b**ch on good days, much less with what they are facing.
February 26, 2010 at 7:48 a.m.
trinity (anonymous) says…

i know i'll be branded a "hater" or worse, and i honestly don't care one little whit. my thing is-if you truly love your life as you proclaim to, why the hostility? why the hate? why the smarmy-ness? you'll never convince those who are opposed to what you do to have an epiphany and begin to admire you for who you are and what you do. likewise, you'll never convince supporters to decide that those in opposition are right and choose to no longer admire and support you. just seems like a really silly waste, in my opinion. just do what you do and quit screamin' about it.
February 26, 2010 at 7:52 a.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

I know I shouldn't comment, but I can't help laughing. Anna, you baited your hook and landed one of the 3 "big fish"...I mean very vocal detractors to your blog. denak, mounted and stuffed on the wall. That's one big mouthed bass.

For you haters, silence is golden. You don't like it? Don't comment on it. Your comments only bump her blog up for everyone to see, but I'm sure you are all so smart you already realize it. Anna's blog is about Anna, but you detractors make it about yourselves, your values, and how you are projecting them on her. Who's fighting for some attention now?

I know I may be just as bad as you, but taking a different stance. At least I admit it.
February 26, 2010 at 8:10 a.m.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…
February 26, 2010 at 8:24 a.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

Anna: "Silence is the key if you want to make your point."

No, it really isn't. Silence is a form of consent. It isn't that many are "hating" on you personally, although I admit some are, it is the concept that somehow strip clubs and gals grinding on laps of strangers is a perfectly charming occupation suitable for young women. You just happen to be the spokesperson to which comments are being addressed.

There is a reason these establishments are primarily on the outskirts of town, on the margins of society. Nobody really wants them as part of proper society. Honestly, who here among the non-"haters" would think it swell if a strip bar opened up across the street from the home they own (not just rent), or on the strip mall across the street from their children's school?

It isn't just a coincidence that the Outhouse, the place you work, is named after a toilet!

Regarding the lying addressed in this blog entry, as I understand it you did lie to your parents about what you do, correct? (If I am wrong, I apologize.) Yet you have no problem telling the cashier at the grocery store when paying in crumpled up singles that you are a stripper. Well, ever stop to think that maybe that woman is a mother herself? Maybe she doesn't want to hear your "revelation" any more than your parents would. And there is a simple reason for this ... what you do isn't respectable and not part of a respectable society. It is the sleezy side of society, the underbelly, the thing not everyone wants to acknowledge or be part of. Maybe not as bad as doing porn movies, but it is in the neighborhood. That is why you are well compensated for what you do -- not everyone would want to do it.

Safe travels.
February 26, 2010 at 8:24 a.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

RI made me laugh.
February 26, 2010 at 8:26 a.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

Big hit from the marlin. Reeling it in...
February 26, 2010 at 8:27 a.m.
grammaddy (anonymous) says…

Girlfriend, just keep doing what you do! I'm lovin this, 'bout to go pop some more corn and wait for some more haters.Aint none of these fools paying your bills, so to hell with them. The majority of us enjoy your blogs for the insight they give us about a job most of us don't have the balls for.Get some rest and I'll expect to hear from you again soon. Don't hate..congratulate! It takes all kinds.
February 26, 2010 at 8:29 a.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

gramm, I ask you simply, would you want a strip club on you street? How about you Vic?

Not hating the dancer, just the song she dances to.
February 26, 2010 at 8:39 a.m.
BrianR (anonymous) says…

Anna, if you didn't have a job at all, they would bash you for that.

Between meanies and insufferable know-it-alls, Teh Internets can be a real PITA. I seldom revisit comments that I've made for that very reason. Well, that and the fact that I really have little interest in the opinions of others on the WWW. Actually, I would prefer sitting down over beers and talking face-to-face to trying to have an online discussion, even with people I disagree with. In the instances where that has happened, I came away actually liking the people. My conclusion is that the anonymity makes some people seem crazy. Some are indeed crazy, some just come across that way. danah boyd has written some interesting pieces on the subject.

Cyberbullies thrive on the L J-W site. I don't know why they tolerate it, in some states it is a violation of law.
February 26, 2010 at 8:45 a.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

Oooo, she's a fightin'...wouldn't have it any other way. Get the net ready cuz this one's a whopper!

bea, That is not the point of the blog. Never was. Anna is talking about Anna and her experiences. That question is outside of the scope of this blog and not worth answering.
February 26, 2010 at 8:48 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@beatrice
I'm not addressing questions that imply I need to reconcile my choice profession with an imagined chaperone. As I said to tubs_of_love above, it is sexist.
February 26, 2010 at 8:54 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@BrianR
Anyone who's interesting is going to get bashed. :)

I've spent almost four months now tolerating it pretty well, but at a certain point, you do have to stand up to jerks, whether you will win the war or not.

I'm not in the business of confiscating the Internet from the offenders, but perhaps someone should at least teach them a lesson. Cape optional.

Maybe face-to-face discussion would be good. If I wasn't so terrified that some crazy person might come after me, I'd probably be more out and about and meeting people from LJWorld.com, even. (I'm getting there. Went to church and introduced myself a couple weeks ago, am being more social now that I have just one job, etc).
February 26, 2010 at 9 a.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

"bea, That is not the point of the blog. Never was."

Vic, why not? Who is setting the rules on topics? As I see it, this is a blog about a stripper, and from her vantage point the business of stripping in general. Why not bring other societal factors into the equation? Or are only strippers and those who frequent strip clubs allowed to respond? If so, then take the blog to something other than the community site. Oh, and as far as your fishing analogy goes, don't you think that maybe it is Anna who got reeled in and is now just responding to the detractors rather than just telling everyone about the fantabulousness of being a stripper?

Anna, I've not mentioned a chaperone. You are in this life to make your own decisions. However, as I noted on another entry, your belief that your choice is between being a stripper and being a burkha wearing secretary is the one that is sexist.

I am saying there are far more choices for women. It doesn't take "balls" to do what you do, as grammaddy put it, it takes balls not to just take the easiest way out. To choose not to be a stripper in a world you see as only allowing strippers and secretaries is what would takes balls. Being a stripper is just easy.

Funny thing is, I've received several personal messages from people thanking me for voicing my opinion on this blog. It shows me that many agree that there is a reason to speak up on this blog. peace, bea
February 26, 2010 at 9:41 a.m.
thomgreen (anonymous) says…

First of all, I have to admit, I don't read your blog on a regular basis. Every once in awhile when it pops up under the "most discussed" section I'll take a gander at it. I'm neither here nor there on your subject matter. In my opinion, as long as you're not hurting people, whatever works.
But I'm a little lost, and maybe it's because I haven't followed your blog closely and seen other posts by tubs_of_love, but why was his comment so bad? It seems like he (she?) brings up a valid discussion point that you could use in your blog. Maybe I've missed it in one of your past blogs, but how does your current profession influence the relationships around you? Granted, this is your "diary" and you should write about whatever strikes you. But as a very casual reader, I've seen a lot more offensive comments on your blogs than the one you outlined above.

Anyway, best of luck, when I do read your blog I enjoy your writing style.
February 26, 2010 at 9:42 a.m.
cthulhu_4_president (anonymous) says…

"my thing is-if you truly love your life as you proclaim to, why the hostility? why the hate? why the smarmy-ness?"
**************************************
Perhaps being told repeatedly by morons that what you're doing with your life is stupid has something to do with it. It is possible to enjoy your life and express frustration at those who unjustly criticize you at the same time. As an atheist, your comment of judgement by the 'imaginary chaperone' rubbed me in a very personal way. I'm reminded of a great Don Adams (RIP) cartoon where an atheist is shown being bashed on the head by a person wielding a huge cross being called "Scum of the Earth! Immoral! Evil!!". Then in the next panel the atheist has grabbed the cross, is about to break it over his knee and the person who was holding it says "Hey, let's have a little respect here!". Instead of being bashed by a cross, you're being bashed by a gavel.

It's a sad story: person A has a lifestyle that person B doesn't agree with. Person B lets Person A know this all the time, Person A eventually lashes out, and Person B uses the fact that they lashed out to deduce that person A isn't actually as happy with their life as they claim, allowing person B to climb up on their moral high horse and ride into the puritan sunset to an imaginary land where good people can't become strippers.

RE cyberbullies: If someone is pathetic enough to bully on the internet, I take it as evidence that the internet is the only venue where they can get people to listen to them, as they have probably driven away all of their real-life contacts by now.
February 26, 2010 at 9:42 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@beatrice
"...it takes balls not to just take the easiest way out."

I just cannot conceive of tsking someone because their job that puts money in my hands too easily.

"Being a stripper is just easy."

Correction: being in *sales* is "just easy," because I'm awesome at it.

@thomgreen
Thank you for dropping in. I regret that it's during this tempest in a teapot.

His comment had nothing to do with the blog entry he wrote it on, or stripping, and more to do with his own interest in how 'good women' should behave.

@cthulu_4_president
Thanks for saying that. I'm pretty tired right now and have a lunch 'date,' so I'm going to take a quick nap and run downtown. What's mildly amusing to me is that as long as people are as ashamed, intimidated, and afraid of sexuality, I will be rolling in dough.

Maybe I should thank the haters.
February 26, 2010 at 10:12 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

*because their job puts money in their hands too easily.

Nap time.
February 26, 2010 at 10:13 a.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

Looks like we are going to have to throw a harpoon in this one. Still a lot of fight left in her...

@beatrice

Who sets the rules of the blog? How about the blogger? If it doesn't matter to the discussion, why bring it up? You have made it abundantly clear that you don't like strippers or stripping. And you've got yourself a little fan club too. Birds of a feather.

I am on Anna's side. Not as someone in the industry and not as a regular at the clubs. My friends will tell you that I rarely go out anywhere, let alone strip clubs. I am on Anna's side because I appreciate her as a person and as a writer. I am standing up for her because I don't like it when someone has made her the target of her personal crusade. If you are so against what she does, why don't you go out and do something about it. Go to the city council. Picket in the streets. Be active. Why won't you? Because it destroys your anonymity. Anonymity is that heavy shield that you can put up which makes you and your arguments, in your mind, bulletproof. We don't know who you are beyond what you tell us about yourself. And even that may be fabricated. You can be anyone you want. The mom with kids. The priest commenting in his spare time. The self-righteous nut who abhors anything remotely opposing his views. Without your anonymity, we find out the real you behind the mask and can point out your flaws.

Anna has shed some of her anonymity by having this blog in the first place. She let us in and allowed people like you to come out of the woodwork. I think that is why she has encouraged you to blog. Let everyone know the real face behind the mask. And why you haven't followed that advice.
February 26, 2010 at 10:20 a.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@beatrice
I third my own motion for you to get your own soap box.

Sleep. Now.
February 26, 2010 at 10:29 a.m.
RETICENT_IRREVERENT (Ronaldo Ignacio) says…

My dear bea,
My post was not silence, nor was it intended to be funny.
February 26, 2010 at 10:52 a.m.
lindseydoyle (anonymous) says…

Anna, I thought that the guy's comment was reasonable but your response was quite hateful. You are quick to call others "haters" when they are critical or your feelings get hurt. That is nothing but an ad hominem used to stifle discussion. Who is the "hater?" Do you want discussion or your personal fan club?
February 26, 2010 at 11:17 a.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

@lindseydoyle

There were certain people this was directed toward, as well as internet haters in general. We've landed 2 big fish already, the marlin and the bass. Just waiting on the catfish.
February 26, 2010 at 11:30 a.m.
bking75 (anonymous) says…

We are the world, we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day so let's start giving........(wave lighter in the air)
February 26, 2010 at 11:32 a.m.
Kontum1972 (anonymous) says…

AnnA, i am in your court....these people are so angry probably because in their puny lives they always take the easy way out..its like being a soldier.....you either have the Right Stuff or you dont....seize the day.....and dont look back...talks cheap......i seriously doubt they would confront u in person....as they hide behind their keyboards!

I dont imagine u in a soup line...your working and enjoying the life.
February 26, 2010 at 12:04 p.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

Vic: "If it doesn't matter to the discussion, why bring it up?"

Societal reactions to the industry in general don't matter? I don't see how you reached that conclusion, nor am I the only one with this reaction. I mean, it isn't like I'm on here talking about whale hunting. It is related to the discussion at hand, maybe just not the discussion you would like to have. Also, who said you can start questioning me about anything? Where is that written in the rule book? Conversations are free-flowing things that take on forms and lifes of their own. Sorry if they don't follow the "praise" path you care to take.

How do you know I don't do things in my community? Yes, I am anonymous here -- others have taken part on that conversation before, "Vic" -- and it is my choice to remain anonymous. I would never just blab my personal details on these here interwebs. Remember, to me, "Anna" is anonymous too, and I'm quite sure her last name isn't really "Undercover." However, I don't need to have my full name shown here in order to express my opinions, nor would it change my opinions if I did.

I don't care to have my own blog. I do choose to comment on those of others, just like you, "Vic." Deal with it, or, send private messages. I'm not sorry that everyone isn't just swell with how peachy and fantabulous the life of a stripper can be.
February 26, 2010 at 12:13 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

@beatrice

The societal reactions to stripping have been discussed in a previous blog. We know what you think because you are a follower of the status quo. There will always be a demand for things society has deemed "wrong" or "dirty" or "borderline illegal" simply because society has labeled them as such. You choose to be a labeler. Those are your beliefs and you are entitled to them. But the issue is, the horse is dead. And you keep beating on it. You won't change your mind and we won't change ours. Fair to say we are at a stalemate.

As for the issue of anonymity, you are right. I don't know who you are. You may be some major political activist, but I doubt it. If so, you'd be letting the world know what it is you do. Why do I think this? Because you are still here. You are just like everyone else, myself included. You want your thoughts heard, but your face hidden. You want to be famous, but private. You want the world to hear you scream, but can't find out who you are. You have just as big of a desire for attention as Anna or myself, if not more so.

Anna has accomplished what she intended to do with you. That is challenge the way you think. She came out and said "Here I am. Here's what I do and I like it!" You heard, "She's a stripper and she's happy? That does not compute! I must tell her that what she does is dirty and wrong and she should be ashamed." That brings me to:

@powershopper

Anna has welcomed anyone to verify her existence by telling you where she works and given you her twitter account. Feel free to visit her if you want to verify her existence. As for what she says about where she's from and how she got here, the truth is stranger than fiction. I have never met her but I don't see any reason she's had to lie to us. Take it as you will.
February 26, 2010 at 12:39 p.m.
MeowKitty (anonymous) says…

In response to @Denak’s comments

“’…and lord knows you're still sharpening your argument skill....’
At least I argue and not run away and hide whenever someone challenges me.
And just in case you are wondering, you're not dissing me or even showing me up. You are going to try harder than that.
It constantly amuses me that you, for some reason, seem to think that your blog is exempt from criticism or that you are somehow special in that regard. I can assure you that you and your blog are not. And if you ever were to pull yourself away from your own self-delusion, you would realize that I post on plenty of other stories and most the time at length. (A feat you, somehow, can't seem to manage. Wonder why?
Dena
P.S. Thank you for paying so close attention to *my* life.”

I really don’t have the time or the energy to argue this properly, but before you pass judgment on what a person thinks/does not think, I present to you exhibit a:

http://www2.ljworld.com/weblogs/anna-...

I presented a criticism of her blog, but I presented it in a matter that was not demeaning, condescending, or just plain rude. Sometimes the comments you do make have merit, but one important thing to learn is it really is not what you say but how you say it. I don’t know you, so I have nothing more to go on than the comments I see on Anna’s blog. Nor do you know Anna beyond the blog, so what you see here is what you know. It seems as if you have a problem with strippers in general and have chosen this rather public figure as an outlet to your anger, which sucks in the fact that it would be good to see some spirited, well supported and constructive debate on this forum. I believe a lot of your comments would be great for that if they were just phrased a little less like you were on a high horse. I, as a reader but a not so frequent commenter, enjoy what every person on here has to say as it adds to the experience of what a blog should be about IMO. Some of the best blogs I have seen are where people share their experiences/the experiences of those around them that may be controversial, funny, or just plain WTF moments and people laugh/share/debate over these because that is what makes us stronger as people and as a community. @Denak I do appreciate what you have said, I just wish it didn’t seem like so much of a personal attack to Anna, because you don’t have to like or even respect what she does, but the fact that she puts it out there is pretty awesome. It gives everyone on here a dose of reality on the positive, negatives, and if anything should stall if not stop some of the stereotypes that strippers do get. Ok this got way longer than I planned, but I don’t expect it to be one giant happy family, but at least slightly mature. (although… the internet doesn’t have a reputation for that I know!)
February 26, 2010 at 12:43 p.m.
vertigo (Jesse Crittenden) says…

"A lap dance is so much better when the stripper is crying..."

Nah- in all seriousness you just need to ignore the haters and let their comments slide off like water on a duck's back.

Dena seems to be very intolerant of your profession. Why? I have no idea. I can guess that since she was a Marine she was used to being in places where a lot of her co-workers attended strip joints. Maybe she had an ex that left her for a stripper, or often ignored her and went out with his buddies to the strip clubs... maybe that's the reason behind her deep seated hatred of strippers. Who knows.

All I know is there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking your clothes off, and making good money doing it. Whether you are intelligent, average, or not so bright. It's a job were you can only do it for so long... then you will have to rely on your other talents (intelligence). Do it while you can, before it's too late, before you're too old.

Ignore those that want you to conform to THEIR moral beliefs.
February 26, 2010 at 12:44 p.m.
amphigouri (anonymous) says…

Anna, I am an industrial designer with 20 years of experience and a six-figure salary. Dancing funded my education. That being said, I would never admit this fact in "polite" society. I post "polite" in quotes as many of your dissenters, who are supposedly of this so-called society, aren't polite. I'm concerned that some of your stronger responses lower you to their "polite" level -- it's just not worth your energy. On the other hand, I enjoy Denak's comments. They serve to remind me how wonderful it is to not go through life completely miserable. Chin up. And thank you -- I truly enjoy your blogs.
February 26, 2010 at 12:58 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

@powershopper

I seriously doubt you are going to get that even if you tried. If you want proof, go to the Outhouse. Meet her there. You don't get pictures because that destroys what little anonymity she has left. You are looking to discredit her because she seems too good to be true, and by an internet rule, she likely is. From what I do know about Anna beyond this blog, which I can tell you is not that much but more than you will ever find out, she hasn't lied about who she is. But I know, I know, pictures or didn't happen, right? Whatever.
February 26, 2010 at 1:27 p.m.
KansasPerson (anonymous) says…

The problem as I see it is not who believes what, but the fact that technology has emerged faster than our societal manners have evolved.

What i mean is this: At a certain point in our pre-blog lives, society seemed pretty well agreed on certain things. It was (and still would be) considered rude to approach a total stranger dancing in a club and tell her that you don't agree with her choice of profession. On the other extreme, it would not necessarily be considered rude (if it was done courteously) to express such an opinion to a friend who has just told you that she is working as a stripper. I'm not sure what the polite way to say that would be these days -- we're no longer in a period of history, sadly, where you can launch a civil discourse with "I fear I do not agree with you" -- but I'm sure it could be done, with courtesy, between friends.

The problem is, what is a blog and how should we be responding to it? Is a dissenting comment on a blog the online equivalent of approaching a stranger and giving her what-for? Or is a blog, by its nature, a formal introduction of sorts, and an invitation to bypass the "we're all strangers here" line? Does a blogger, by the act of writing a blog and putting it out there, also extending an invitation to agree/disagree on the same personal level that a face-to-face friend could get away with? (again, if done politely)

I'm not asking for an answer on this, because it's not something we can just decide; it has to evolve through the decisions and actions of bloggers/commenters over a period of time. I'm just saying that as long as people are going to have opposing paradigms of blogging (and commenting), we are going to keep on having this back-and-forth discussion.
February 26, 2010 at 1:30 p.m.
Kontum1972 (anonymous) says…

AnnA,,,while you were sleeping...the torture didnt "STOP".....they all keyed up now...
February 26, 2010 at 1:57 p.m.
gatekeeper (anonymous) says…

I went back and read your last blog with the comments from tubs. You seem to attack the arguer (hater) and not the argument. You have to understand that a large majority of people won't like the profession you are in and that by posting these blogs, you will get comments you don't like. But I don't think it's in your better interest and doesn't paint you in a pleasant light when you attack them, usually for asking a question. Just my opinion, but I think you would be better served by arguing over the content of the post and not making personal attacks. Just a suggestion.
February 26, 2010 at 1:59 p.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

Vic: "... You want to be famous, but private. ..."

Um, no. Not even close, and the thought even makes me chuckle. I'm simply taking part in conversations, not shouting peace. I don't care for fame, notoriety, or infamy. Just voicing opinions.

As far as what Anna said and what I supposedly heard, please know, I first responded when she wrote about being disrespected at work (see her other recent entry). She told of being groped, of drunks harrassing her, of guys throwing crumpled up dollars at her, and people not respecting her -- and I responded with "Duh!" It wasn't at all a separation of intent and meaning. I read it clearly. I also have no doubt that Anna is happy doing what she does - for now - but that isn't the only side of stripping that should be heard, in my oh so humble opinion.

I don't care that stripping is "dirty," and I've never suggested she should be "ashamed" (please, talk about the actual words written and how another reads them!). I care that this is what some women feel they must resort to in order to make it in our society. I'm glad some are happy with it, although it effects us all. (Notice how some assume that those in oposition to the profession must be ugly or too old to be strippers themselves? What does that say about what greater society thinks about women in general?)

However, taking a stand againt stripping isn't my crusade, but since there is a blog dealing with the subject I'll respond with the full extent of my opinion, as have you in your support. Nice to know you would like to silence that opinion or for me to take it elsewhere since it doesn't conform with the fantasy Anna has created for you.

One more aside -- if you aren't anonymous on the interwebs, you should never broadcast that you are on vacation in another state. Might as well just place an advertisment for burglars to visit!
February 26, 2010 at 1:59 p.m.
dmb41fan (anonymous) says…

Anna, I am very much a champion of people who motivate themselves and drive themselves to whatever destiny they decide is suited, and if working in a club, gas station, or as a trash man, I say "congrads" on saying you are willing to work hard to make yourself or your situation better. I'm not a big fan of people posting mean and disparaging comments about stereotypes or people they have never met, as I feel that is very poor process. By not knowing all the background information and doing due diligence to understand a situation/person/mindset you are making to many assumptions to make any valid points in my opinion.
I'm a bit surprised by your attitude towards some of the less intellectual comments by people on your board, as in every job, customer service and dealing with poor attitudes is a fact universally. I truly hope that your mindset and goals for the message board don't change or adjust because of few inept comments. Sometimes it's best to follow your own advice and if you don't have anything to say that is positive, let it go, you can't change people, they have to want to change themselves, just try and inform with the best info you have at hand and let them decide. I think if people become more active listeners, they might hear some things they need to hear. Keep your course, get some rest, and start fresh
February 26, 2010 at 2:10 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

@beatrice

I am not in the business of silencing opinions. Nor do I have any notions that the stripping profession is all sunshine and rainbows. I know Anna is the exception to the norm. I feel I am fighting off personal attacks against her character rather than attacks on her profession. If I have misconstrued your arguments as personal attacks rather than shots at an industry you, and I for that matter, know very little about, then I apologize. But, unlike the assumptions of one @powershopper, I am not in this for some extra curricular activity. Call me a white knight. Call me a good Samaritan. But, if it's too good to be true, it probably is, right?

Anna has never asked me to fight for her. She has only thanked me for doing so. I stumbled upon what I know about her by sheer dumb luck. I wasn't looking for it, it found me. And by that, I feel responsible for what I know and what I think she is and feel I must stand up to defend her honor.

But think what you will. You're life doesn't effect mine and, unless you work where I work, mine doesn't effect yours. Live long and prosper.
February 26, 2010 at 2:18 p.m.
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February 26, 2010 at 2:25 p.m.
kthxbi (anonymous) says…

is this your first relationship Vic? Because you're doing it wrong.
February 26, 2010 at 3:05 p.m.
gatekeeper (anonymous) says…

dmb41fan - are you a warehouse member? :-) Touring season is almost here.
February 26, 2010 at 3:19 p.m.
bking75 (anonymous) says…

Maybe everyone should just meet at the Outhouse and have a lively discussion. We could all wear nametags with our screen names on them. That would be great fun.
February 26, 2010 at 3:28 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

Man, once the big fish got caught, now all we are catching is carp. Throw 'em back!
February 26, 2010 at 3:29 p.m.
gatekeeper (anonymous) says…

Vic (anonymous) says...
Man, once the big fish got caught, now all we are catching is carp. Throw 'em back!

So you're admitting you're just a troll?
February 26, 2010 at 3:37 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

Did you read the blog? This whole blog in particular was a troll and we landed 2 big fish and several carp.
February 26, 2010 at 3:42 p.m.
gatekeeper (anonymous) says…

Then me thinks you need a life.

I read the blog and it just sounds like she's b*tching because she doesn't like how some people respond to her posts. Sorry, don't understand the mentality of people that get off trying to stir up trouble.
February 26, 2010 at 3:46 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

You take and you take and you take until you can't take anymore. Sometimes, you just got to let people know what you think. And sometimes, you may reach out and bridge that gap. Some people just need a good slap in the face. Others...well...are just mean.
February 26, 2010 at 3:53 p.m.
gatekeeper (anonymous) says…

Oh yeah, Anna takes and takes and takes. She dishes it out all the time. And she brings it upon herself by writing these blogs. Did she think all responses would be about how wonderful she is, how strippers are the best thing on earth? I agree with other posters, you gotta crush.
February 26, 2010 at 4:01 p.m.
KansasPerson (anonymous) says…

Vic (anonymous) says...

"Did you read the blog? This whole blog in particular was a troll and we landed 2 big fish and several carp."

"We"?? I didn't realize Anna had taken you on as a co-writer.
February 26, 2010 at 4:14 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

Sorry. As a commenter fighting on her side, I just felt I was along on the fishing trip. She's the captain of this ship.
February 26, 2010 at 4:16 p.m.
kthxbi (anonymous) says…

hahahahaha
February 26, 2010 at 4:23 p.m.
Vic (anonymous) says…

To be or not to be – that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
And, by opposing, end them. To die, to sleep
No more – and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to – ‘tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep
To sleep, perchance to dream. Ay, there's the rub,
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th’ oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th’ unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country from whose bourn
No traveler returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pitch and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action.—Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remembered
February 26, 2010 at 4:30 p.m.
corduroypants (anonymous) says…

You are one weird dude Vic.
February 26, 2010 at 4:50 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

"We're not gonna take it! No, we ain't gonna take it!"
February 26, 2010 at 5:02 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@corduroypants
Oh, don't add to the jerkiness.
February 26, 2010 at 5:02 p.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

Vic: "You take and you take and you take until you can't take anymore. Sometimes, you just got to let people know what you think."

I couldn't have said it better myself.
February 26, 2010 at 5:06 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@powershopper
You already know a place you can see me and you know how to find out when I'm there.
February 26, 2010 at 5:09 p.m.
xbusguy (chris Ogle) says…

anna, watch yourself...... you are showing too much.
February 26, 2010 at 5:24 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@xbusguy
Eventually, you do need to tell the bullies about themselves.

:) Fear not.
February 26, 2010 at 5:26 p.m.
tubs_of_love (anonymous) says…

Oops! Just posted on the last entry. Guess I'll do a copy and paste.

Man, I got you all ticked off! Haha! You never answered my boring question, rather you posted an entry?
February 26, 2010 at 5:47 p.m.
tubs_of_love (anonymous) says…

Here it is, from me, the ignorant jerk.

@Anna - I like reading you're entries, mainly for the commenters circus that follows, so yes, I want to be here. As far as me being curious about strippers, lets face it, there's not all that much to be curious about. You just love yourself and you're world. Diva B.S. I do not appreciate diva wannabe's and thats why I prefer my girl scouts over you.

So, my question is uninteresting and boring is it? Maybe thats just you're way of getting around my question. I know you don't want to answer it, it would make you look bad. When you go to you're sisters wedding, maybe tell you're family you're secret and post about what they say. You won't. Where do they think you work? Are you in fact, a liar?
February 26, 2010 at 5:50 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

Announcement:

Holy crap. I just got a call from the club that didn't hire us before. The manager checked out our pictures and we're both hired!

Going out to celebrate and have birthday drinks with friends.

Take care, everyone. :) See you at Lace in July!
February 26, 2010 at 5:52 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@tubs_of_love
Go back to your basement.
February 26, 2010 at 5:53 p.m.
bking75 (anonymous) says…

"We're not going to take it........anymore" duh dee duh dee Sorry. Can't type out guitar sounds.
February 26, 2010 at 5:55 p.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

I'm assuming Lace is better than the Outhouse, yes? Just based on the names I would have to assume this.

And you got hired just based on how you looked in a photograph? That seems rather superficial. What about your dancing skills?

Must ... resist ... commenting ... further ...
February 26, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
tubs_of_love (anonymous) says…

@Anna - How did you know!? :)

Wow! You were just waiting for me.
February 26, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@beatrice
Lace is really different from the Outhouse. I'll have to post about it some time. I'm so excited! It's amazing. I'm in the throes of calling people and have to jump in the shower to go out, so I'm going to disappear now.

It says on my resume/the sheet I filled out for them that I went to a famous ballet school.

I won't get to flex those muscles at this job. The stages are too small. But I promise I'll be more graceful than anyone else. :)

...I am going to work my tail off between now and July and be the most awesomest in-shape stripper ever. :)

Woo!
February 26, 2010 at 6:04 p.m.
audibleangel (anonymous) says…

Shockingly the only thing that bugs me about this thread is the improper use of the contraction you are (you're) where it should be 'your.'

Anna, expect criticism if you're working in the bizz. Don't waste space arguing with people who don't agree with you.
February 26, 2010 at 6:55 p.m.
beatrice (anonymous) says…

"Shockingly the only thing that bugs me about this thread is the improper use of the contraction you are (you're) where it should be 'your.'"

audible-laughter on this end!
February 26, 2010 at 7:07 p.m.
brian1981 (anonymous) says…

I thought the whole point of this blog was for Anna to continue getting the attention she craves after she leaves her place of work.

Not that I have a problem with either the job or the blog; I just thought people saying nasty things is pretty predictable on an internet site catering to a community of 90,000, especially considering the blogger's subject.

I mean if people are too mean, you can always sign off. It's all voluntary after all. That said I enjoy the blog.
February 26, 2010 at 7:37 p.m.
tubs_of_love (anonymous) says…

@audibleangel - Sorry, 'you are' correct, or 'you're' correct. I just read 'your' post. Got it, improper use corrected.
February 26, 2010 at 8:13 p.m.
Newell_Post (anonymous) says…

.... I thought the whole point of this blog was free (and uncensored) advertising for The Outhouse.
February 26, 2010 at 8:42 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

@Newell_Post
The Outhouse is a place I work right now. I adore it, but I like most of the other clubs in town that I knew, too. Strippers are contractors. As a free agent, I could technically work at Baby Dolls or anywhere else if they hire me.

If it's free advertising for the Outhouse, it's just because I happen to work there. :) I do love the place and everyone in it, though. :)
February 26, 2010 at 8:48 p.m.
AnnaUndercover (Anna Undercover) says…

*that I know.
February 26, 2010 at 8:49 p.m.
Newell_Post (anonymous) says…

... OK, free and uncensored advertising for Anna....
February 26, 2010 at 9:32 p.m.
thebcman (anonymous) says…

the only "ignorant jerk" in this blog is named "Anna"
February 26, 2010 at 10:47 p.m.
rantor (anonymous) says…

Poor baby, You put the blogs out there and then cry when it isn't all cheery support. There are a lot of other people who'd like to climb out of the gutter, but you claim you're there by choice. Can't say I have any sympathy for you. Suck it up.
February 27, 2010 at 1:22 a.m.
cait48 (anonymous) says…

You really need this tee shirt, Anna. :)
http://www.zazzle.com/you_say_im_a_bi...
February 27, 2010 at 5:05 a.m.
davey (anonymous) says…

Anna ... You should take the negative comments on your blog as a compliment. Some of the most talented journalists in the world are successful because they raise the ire of people and write controversial opinions on hot topics (no pun intended). Keep up the good work. You are a talented writer who has obviously gained a following. Ignore the negative comments and stay focused on the bigger picture. Don't get tangled in negativity. Remember ... negative comments are an indirect compliment to your journalist abilities!!!
February 27, 2010 at 8 a.m.
davey (anonymous) says…

Anna ... You should take the negative comments on your blog as a compliment. Some of the most talented journalists in the world are successful because they raise the ire of people and write controversial opinions on hot topics (no pun intended). Keep up the good work. You are a talented writer who has obviously gained a following. Ignore the negative comments and stay focused on the bigger picture. Don't get tangled in negativity. Remember ... negative comments are an indirect compliment to your journalist abilities!!!
February 27, 2010 at 8 a.m.
bblbfolks (anonymous) says…

This is the first I've seen of this blog. I don't even care what the actual blog part says, it's the biting comments and bashing of others that will keep me tuning in. You people are better than the Jerry Springer Show. I have nothing against strippers, other than the fact that if I went to see one I would wake up with my junk super-glued to my leg...thanks for that visual go to my wife.
February 27, 2010 at 9:32 a.m.
WillNYC (anonymous) says…

You know, It's an economic recession. We all do what we have to do to make ends meet. I received my masters degree, which was paid for by working as a bartender at a very well known Ladies club on the Lower West Side. I wore less clothes than buss boys at "54*" The money is good and covers the bills for as long as you need it to. Careers are dwindling, and jobs are not around. Minimum wage is paid now to over 20% of our population. And we all know you can't survive on minimum wage.

If people want to shoot you down for what you do, they'll have to recipricate the same to models, actors, olympians and blue collar workers, all who use their bodies to collect a source of income. It's no different.

Cheers for what you do, Cheers for your blog, and Boo on the people whose lives are so insignificent that they need to express their opinions on a blog, that if they dont like, they dont need to read.

It's still a free country, Individuals have the opportunity to use the mouse click. If they dont like, theres a back button on the top left hand side of the web browser and a little X on the top right.

Cheers!
February 28, 2010 at 8:58 a.m.
Kontum1972 (anonymous) says…

Thanks AnnA,

for your reply...your SUPER!

eo aka Sky
March 1, 2010 at 8:29 a.m.
cutthroat717 (anonymous) says…

Damn, I miss all of the good battles when I'm gone. I really should keep up with this more often when I'm on the road!!
March 2, 2010 at 1:50 p.m.
pantheon (anonymous) says…

I have trouble taking anyone using "Courage Wolf" as an avatar seriously.
Of
March 2, 2010 at 6:14 p.m.