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Anna Undercover: Fired.

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I had seen it happen before.

A girl would saunter in to the dressing room early, wearing flip-flops and sweats. She'd barely be through the door when a bouncer would stick his head in and call her over.

"C'mere for a second," he would say.

Then, not subtly enough, he would silently show her a yellow pad of paper.

A black marker usually spells out the dreaded words, typically in all capital letters.

"[So-and-so] no longer dances here."

It's a message from Jeff, the owner of the Outhouse, and as I understand it, he rarely leaves a written explanation to go along with notes like those.

When the dancer sees the note with her name on it, a look of surprise and injury usually spreads across her face. Some just turn and leave, headed to another club to find work that night. Others cry and need a hug. Others yell about it and make their exit in spectacular fashion.

It hurts to see a girlfriend lose her job, especially when you know you can't do anything about it but try to help her feel better, get her phone number, and wish her the best.

Even if I could save someone I thought should have been allowed to stay, it is Jeff's business, and he's entitled to run it how he sees fit.

Of course, I never thought I would be shown any message on that yellow tablet.

Call it elitism or any other of a number of things, but I felt invincible to getting fired--ever. In following all the rules, genuinely liking everyone, and loving the job, I earned a reputation for cheerfulness and rule-following without really trying.

But last Monday, at 7:00 p.m., one of the nicest bouncers followed me into the dressing room with the dreaded yellow tablet in his hands.

He looked at me with sad eyes, shaking his head.

"I'm really sorry," he said as he showed me the note.

"Anna no longer dances here," it said.

"What?" I said, not believing what I was looking at.

"I'm really sorry," he said.

"Do you know why?" I sputtered. The feeling of surprise was still establishing itself.

"I have no idea," he said. "You'll have to text Jeff. I'm really sorry." I knew there was nothing he could do, so I didn't press him.

The feeling of surprise gave way to a sudden realization that I had to leave the club I loved so much.

"Um," my voice wavered awkwardly as I prepared to make the announcement to the five or so other girls. "It looks like I've been fired."

"What?" someone said.

"What did you do?!"

"I don't know," I said, feeling the tears well up. "I wasn't here over the weekend. I don't know what I did."

I felt hot all over. What had I done? It had to be something.

I would never do something to get myself fired on purpose. I racked my brain.

A girl pulled me aside.

"You never do anything [to break the rules here]," she said. "Are you sure that nothing happened? Did you say something bad about Jeff on the Internet?" she asked quietly. People know about my blog, but only one or two girls have actually read it and told me about it.

"No, I didn't," I said, pausing for a second to make sure that was true. "I haven't posted anything in weeks."

I had nothing to say about Jeff. I'd had five or six conversations with him, really. And posting about some of the things he's talked to us about as a staff just would have been bad form.

"He hasn't even given me anything bad to say," I said. Well, in the context of working at a strip club, but even then, I hadn't posted anything. "And I really haven't done anything wrong that I can think of. I would tell you right now."

I would have.

We were standing in the same place in the club where I'd first admitted to Jeff that I was the one with the blog, and he'd been OK with it. The only time I ever said things about drugs or prostitution, I ran into him at the club and told him about it in person.

"Text him and ask him what you need to do to come back," she said. "Maybe you'll just need to pay a fine or something."

"Is there a fine on the books for me?" I suddenly thought to ask the bouncer.

"Um," he checked the books. "No, there's nothing. I'm really sorry. I wish I knew anything at all."

Jeff does, rather magnanimously, I think, allow some girls to come back after paying a fine for whatever they did. Depending on the severity of the crime committed (and his opinion of you), I've understood fines to be anywhere from $100 to $200, and as high as $500 or $1,000.

I honestly, and truly, had no idea why I was being let go.

"Where else can I go?" I asked the group. "Is any other place even close to the money here?" Girls either shrugged or shook their heads.

On the inside, I freaked out. I haven't managed my money well recently, and even taxes are going to be hard for me to swing.

"Please tell me if you hear anything," I said to the girl. She nodded and hugged me.

"Bye everyone," I said.

I walked to my car and typed out a text to Jeff, a few tears falling in my lap. I couldn't believe this.

"When I came in to work tonight, Cookie showed me a note that said 'Anna no longer dances here.' What do I need to do to come back?"

Jeff rarely responds to texts right away, so I called my boyfriend.

"I have no idea why I was fired," I sniffed into my crappy Samsung. "I don't know what to do. I don't want to work anywhere else." I sat there and looked out over the field in front of me as he tried to make me feel better.

He failed. We hung up.

I didn't know what to do. I didn't want to go anywhere I'd have to explain that I'd been fired, but I had to figure out some way to pay my bills; no choice there.

Suddenly, I remembered the Oracle. (This is not her real dancer name).

She would know what to do, I thought.

Blessed with an exceptionally stunning face and beautiful body, I am lucky to count the Oracle as a friend. She doesn't like a lot of people, and with an acid tongue like hers, you figure that out pretty fast.

Girls are afraid of her, and her customers are obsessed with her. She seems to know everything about stripping, clubs, and navigating the sometimes tricky situations therein.

I needed to talk to her, but it had been a while.

I called her club. "Does [the Oracle] still work here?" I asked.

She does, a man said.

I hung up and punched my destination into my GPS.

An hour later, I found her.

The club was beautiful and big. I looked around. Three stages? Wow.

Where was she?

Then, I saw her.

Forgetting my troubles for a second, I smiled. She was just like I remembered her.

She lay on her stomach, looking very bored, stretched out across the lap of a grinning female customer. Resting her head in her hand, the Oracle managed, still, to have her nose in the air. Looking at her long black hair and her regal pose, I thought of Cleopatra, and smiled.

She waved me over.

"How are you!" I said, hugging her and ignoring her customer, who seemed over the moon just to get to spend time with her.

"Are you busy?" I asked.

I would hate to see this girl mad. She's at least half a foot taller than I am and much stronger.

"No," she said, ignoring her customer in typical Oracle fashion. I laughed silently, again marveling at this incredibly beautiful girl's ability to eschew any practice remotely similar to 'customer service' and still rake in an absurd amount of money.

I told her what happened.

I wanted her to tell me some kind of secret code, some kind of secret password---anything that would get me my job back.

Of course, there isn't one.

She shrugged.

"Sometimes he fires people for no reason," she said. "He's just unpredictable like that."

"You should just move on from there," she advised, shaking her head. "Maybe they'll hire you here," she offered, admitting that money hadn't been good lately.

Well, money is bad everywhere right now, I told her, even at the Outhouse. Money hasn't been consistently good since the end of December, actually. So annoying. [Hearing that money is always bad in January, I decided that next year, I'll simply spend the whole month abroad and forget about trying to make money when there isn't any.]

I went to the management and asked if they would hire me.

They did.

Whew! Now, nose to the grindstone.

Comments

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

It's been a full week now and I still haven't been told (or heard over the grapevine, which is more like a really really fast game of telephone) why I was let go.

I will not be making public the name or location of the club I now work at for the time being. :( Sorry.

For those wondering why I didn't post for so long: I took a week vacation after the last one, and then for the longest time, I just couldn't come up with anything I liked. Then this happened, and I knew I had to update you guys, lol, whether I liked what I wrote or not.

So here it is. :)

Charlie Sabotage 5 years, 2 months ago

sweetface. i have an idea. think back to a certain NYC post someone blogged about. If a certain "someone who owns an establishment you worked for" was to have read that, i have reason to believe it would be grounds for getting fired. I'm not trying to be mean, at all. Alas, that is most likely close to the reason why you were let go.

grammaddy 5 years, 2 months ago

Sorry to hear you have lost the job you loved so much. Maybe soon you will grow to love the new one. GOOD LUCK!!

RoeDapple 5 years, 2 months ago

McDonalds is hiring. But then, they would probably fire someone who brought them negative publicity.

corduroypants 5 years, 2 months ago

Guy sounds like a winner. Can't even be bothered to fire someone in person. I guess it ain't IBM though, either.

corduroypants 5 years, 2 months ago

Maybe the Outhouse is more like GE - bottom 10% gets the boot. Or in this case, the go-go boot.

citizenx 5 years, 2 months ago

Three stages. Hmmm. Club O? Baby Dolls?

Whereever you are, I hope it works out. But if not, EVERY strip club is ALWAYS hiring.

classclown 5 years, 2 months ago

So now fans are going to have to drive out to the West Topeka Ballet (WTB).

Now we get to hear about who gets snitched on in the champagne room! I can hardly wait.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Anna Unemployed: Have Pole, Will Travel

Never fun to get fired. Just a dose of reality, I guess, and an example of how women are treated like so much trash that, on occassion, needs to be tossed out by the guy who works the door. (At the Outhouse, do they call it getting "flushed"?) And to think, she went and talked to the legislature in support of this business. Ingrates.

I assume Anna won't answer my question but I am curious, how many people know anyone who strips or has stripped for a living who actually has real money in the bank? How about just own their own home? Some perhaps, but not many. How is it that the money can be so good, yet they always seem to be just one night of dancing awaying from moving back in with their parents? Could it be that the money really isn't that good on a consistent basis, or is it the fast lifestyle leads to fast spending of money like it will always last?

Oh, and Anna, it could have been Grace Kelley doing so, but in no way can stretching across the lap of a customer while performing a lapdance make anyone appear "regal." Anything from "sexy" to "slutty" might fit, but certainly not regal.

Clickker 5 years, 2 months ago

He cant fire someone and charge a "fine" to come back to work there.

That is called indentured servitude, and it is akin to slavery. Both illegal.

suesay 5 years, 2 months ago

She has said in past blogs that she pays a fee to the bouncer every night she works, maybe $40 I think?

coolmom 5 years, 2 months ago

Always sucks to loose a job, but especially one you liked. I for one am sorry that you are in pain.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Thanks. I really loved it there. I'm not mad or anything; I'm just sad that I lost the job I loved and would very much like to go back.

In the mean time, I'll see how it works out at this new club.

Graczyk 5 years, 2 months ago

Sure signs that you work in a crappy, classless industry. 1. Getting fired via yellow tablet. 2. Not being told the reason why you were let go. 3. Being charged a fee to come back.

I've worked for some pretty bad companies in my time, but never something like this. What do you expect though? It's an industry full on dudes misogynistic power trips.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

I can see an argument for power-tripping. The truth in @MacHeath's comment (timestamped 10:08 a.m.) about customers being treated like second-class citizens at some clubs definitely bothers me. It does disappoint me when I see what he refers to. As an industry, we can do better than that; fortunately, a lot of the time, we do.

As the daughter of two entrepreneurs, I grew up with the sense that customer service is paramount, whether the person is spending $1 this time, or even nothing at all for the time being.

classclown 5 years, 2 months ago

From the blog of UndercoverPlumber My big fat butt

UndercoverPlumber (anonymous) says…

I've tried the coveralls thing, but it just doesn't seem to work for me so I went back to wearing regular pants. The problem is with my big butt. Yeah I'm overweight and the pants don't like to stay in place. So when I'm bent over looking at something customers get a close up view of my ample butt cleavage.

I can hear there snickering and their remarks and just know that they're pointing at it. Their words are hurtful. Sometimes I just want to scream at them "Yes I know my butt is big and that you can see my crack.. But I am trying to lose weight."

What irks me the most are the people that assume that since I am practically waving my ample cleavage right in front of their face, that gives them license to do anything they want. I usually get huffy, take their money, tell them not to call me anymore and then leave.

I mean honestly. You'd be surprised at the things people assume they can just drop in there simply because it's waving around in front of them.

Like I said, I am trying to lose weight, but it's so hard and takes a long time. So until I can lose the weight I need and get my pants fitting properly again, I'm trying to find ways to draw less attention to it in order not to be subjected to the rudeness that some customers think they are allowed to get away with simply because they are paying me to provide a service for them.

Do any of you have any ideas? There is one product I was looking at that might help, but it costs money and I would really really appreciate it if one of my loyal fans would purchase this for me... er... donate it to me. Here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6meQnSmVup8

RoeDapple 5 years, 2 months ago

Butt wait, there's more! Order in the next 48 hours, or be one of the first 12,000 to call and we'll double the offer! Yes, you heard right, 2 for the overinflated price of 1 !!! (Extra S&H fees apply)

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm just hoping you don't tell us a customer tried to lick you.

independant1 5 years, 2 months ago

Butt wait, they're only taking callers with last name beginning with A through J this week.

jhawks1234 5 years, 2 months ago

Well we know now she won't be hired back. With his classy ways of firing, I am betting he holds a grudge and with Anna exploiting his firing techniques she will have to pay a huge fine to get allowed back there.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Thank god he didn't take away her pension fund, so she always have that to fall back on.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

It's terrible what happened, but it's good to know you landed on your feet. But now, I think there is an opportunity. First, to silence some nay-sayers by not revealing where you work will eliminate the "this is just a glorified ad" comments. Then you can focus on what really matters, your work in the club in general rather than Anna working at the Outhouse. The Outhouse itself carries a stigma that you unwillingly had applied to yourself. Now you can shake it off and then just shake it.

classclown 5 years, 2 months ago

I know where she works. In fact she has made it very obvious actually. An AW like her isn't very subtle. Trying to be coy by saying she won't reveal the name of the club, but always leaving plenty of clues.

Not to mention that I think she's been following me from club to club. I might have a stalker on my hands. Perhaps I should make a police report. I mean, what are the odds of a stripper showing up at another club I go to? It has to be stalking right?

Alright, that;s it. I'm going to allow paranoia to overtake me and and file a report with the cops that I'm being stalked by a stripper.

BrianR 5 years, 2 months ago

Villain? That is the last word I would use to describe Anna. Or the next to last, I suppose there are worse words.

Kontum1972 5 years, 2 months ago

well keep looking up AnnA...thats all u can do...like a rolling stone... Amen

gatekeeper 5 years, 2 months ago

God, thought she'd finally given up on this blog. She didn't have a place to ask people to patronize, so she wasn't blogging. Now she has a new job so she's back. Guess the sales of your tasteless t shirt aren't going so well, huh? You had been blogging about how good the money was. That was all lies too, huh? Typical peeler, nothing but lies and drama.

Please take this trash elsewhere. Topeka is better suited for it.

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

And here we were hoping that her break would have given you enough of one to leave as well.

I suppose you'll forgo the hypocrisy of your post and move your commenting and trash to Topeka as well - it is better suited for it.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

On a serious note ...

Anna, any thoughts to Plan B?

Whether or not the legislature passes new "rules" that make it harder to make a living at stripping, stripping is a young woman's game. You are getting into it around the age when most have already been chewed up and spit out by it and have hung up their g-strings for good. Have you given any thought to what comes next?

At any rate, my advice is save as much as you can while you can. You won't always be able to make a buck this way, and the longer you wait you might find landing that important career-ladder job a bit harder in the future.

Who knows, save up enough and maybe you can open your own club some day and treat the dancers with the respect you obviously aren't given yet desperately seek.

gatekeeper 5 years, 2 months ago

She's said it before, she thinks she's going to be Erin Brokovich.

Seriously Anna, law firms do lots of background checks on possible employees. You'd be better off getting out now and working your way through school at a more respectable job if you really want a career in law.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 2 months ago

My sentiments exactly....

Anna, this career path of yours is a time waster and a possible liability for your future plans.

Danielle Brunin 5 years, 2 months ago

Does this have anything to do with the end of the semester? ;)

jhawks1234 5 years, 2 months ago

Not looking forward to my Rhetoric final

Liberty275 5 years, 2 months ago

Have fun abroad. You'll find something when you get back. My advice, move to Tampa and dance in a real club. Leave the cornfield behind and never look back.

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 2 months ago

I always get a kick out of the people that call Anna an AW or hoping that her blog will disappear showing up and commenting on her blog.

The more hits/comments, the more it will stay on the list where it can easily be seen.

gatekeeper 5 years, 2 months ago

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KansasPerson 5 years, 2 months ago

Gate, once again, if you have problems with the subject matter of this or any other blog, you should bring it up with the folks at the Journal-World. Commenting on a blog only increases the traffic.

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 2 months ago

I may be mistaken, but I believe Anna met with Jonathan and the other powers that be at the LJW and they had/have full knowledge of what she is writing about. Gate's cries about violations of the users agreement apparently don't match those of the staff. He/she better go straight to D-III if any further action is expected.

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 2 months ago

No, I just think it's self defeating. If you really feel that she is an attention whore (aw - KUSP8) then giving her the attention she desires by commenting only spurs her to post more actively. If you can't understand that, then there is no further reason to try and discuss it with you.

Of course, your vehement stand against Anna could leave one to point out that the Pot just might be calling the Kettle black.

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

I like you're the only one who actually states what you don't want read while screaming LOOK AT ME. You're funny and impossible to take seriously.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

The short list of things you say I've written about is not accurate, except for "how great it is to beat guys" who request or agree to that kind of entertainment.

Also, instead of what you've assumed here, you'll find a more accurate description of why I haven't written in a couple of weeks by reading the first post on this entry, which I wrote.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

It's quite counter-productive, isn't it? I think they want to say they were the one who chased her away. AW's are we all.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

CM Punk is a huge wuss and Rey Mysterio is going to stomp him.

619

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Oops, I thought this was the DIST's Guessing Game.

Liberty275 5 years, 2 months ago

She's a capitalist, almost in it's purest form. Given the equality of humans, we should treat her as anyone else of any gender. If she wants to sell peeks at her body, she should have that right.

Aren't you a libertarian?

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

No, the fact that she's empowering women, helping others to do more with their lives and helping the non-psychotic individuals on this site to learn more about the industry from within does make it moral.

I agree that legality doesn't necessarily equate with morality, though. You have the right to blither online attacking individuals and interjecting your opinion as if it were fact, but that doesn't make it any less immoral.

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

Unfortunately I cannot answer your question accurately as I do not have a daughter. At this time I would say that I would be alright with it if it is what she wanted (there are many more jobs out there I would rather her not be doing).

Just because some individuals have a sexual interest in something doesn't make it demoralizing.

Anna has touched on the empowerment thing on occasion in her previous posts and I won't put words in her mouth, you'll need to read those to see her take on it. There are, however, a number of studies and individuals who have taken this side of things and generated some excellent literature on the subject.

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

It's obvious it's your opinion, you just don't treat it as one - or perhaps more correctly, you treat it as if your opinion was the only one and is absolutely correct.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Shouldn't this read: In my opinion it's obvious it's your opinion ... and is absolutely correct, in my opinion.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 2 months ago

"No, the fact that she's empowering women, helping others to do more with their lives and helping the non-psychotic individuals on this site to learn more about the industry from within does make it moral."

Empowering women????? What is so empowering about this blog? I think there are ways to empower other women...promoting stripping isn't one of them.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

There is nothing empowering about stripping. You and Anna both mistake adrenalin rushes for empowerment. Empowerment is about having choices and stripping limits them. Empowerment involves the ability to have the choices to determine one's fate. It is not the "euphoria" you feel driving to work. It is not the rush one gets from all the attention.

Anna comes from a privileged background. She already had options that many don't in the sex industry. She has supportive family to go back to if all else fails. It is unlikely that her family will turn her away if she is evicted or loses all financially. Many in the sex industry don't and unfortunately many "employers" in the sex industry take advantage of that.

She also has no one that is dependent on her for their care such as a child or perhaps an elderly parent. This gives her more freedom to pick and choose as she doesn't have to worry about providing shelter or food for another.

Unfortunately Anna may have limited her choices. It can be more difficult to find a job in a traditional field (such as law). Lawyers can be scandalous but it mainly happens after their career is well established and not when they are starting them.

It sucks to be fired but if Anna examines her behavior, I'm sure she will understand why her job performance was deemed unacceptable. I can think of several reasons off the top of my head: 1. Lots of personal time off - Yes, I understand she was an independent contractor but taking off weeks at a time indicates that you are not serious about being at the workplace and all employers want you to be serious about your time at work.

  1. Comments made about co-workers online - Employers want workers who are effective with others and comments about your co-workers in a newspaper blog have too much potential to blow up into issues at the workplace.

  2. Raving about how awesome the "competition" is in public - You may not be saying anything negative about one of your employers but raving about how wonderful another employer (even if it is in another state) is verboten in any field.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

I think it's best when you have a healthy respect and appreciation for 'the competition.' When I praise competitors, I'm following Google's example.

It's best to give credit where it's due.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Your "employer" most likely does not see it that way. They see it as you promoting a competing business over theirs. In a lot industries, you are not allowed to work for a competitor of your employer. It is considered a conflict of interest and grounds for termination.

As an independent contractor, you have more flexibility in who you work for so, in most cases, it tends not to be an issue unless you are pretty vocal about it.

In your case, it probably was not best to give credit where it's due as it most likely cost you a job you enjoyed.

Liberty275 5 years, 2 months ago

Mea Culpa. I just read your first post.

BrianR 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes, women should do nice, wholesome things, right? It is evident who has anachronistic views of women.

parrothead8 5 years, 2 months ago

Whether I agree with you or not, I have no problem with you telling Anna how YOU define her profession. However, you can't tell Anna how SHE defines her profession. As you point out yourself, she most certainly does not define it as "treating [her] body like mere property." Perhaps I just have a problem with how you phrased this and/or I misunderstand your intent, but it certainly seems to me that you are trying to force your definition on her.

Liberty275 5 years, 2 months ago

"I find the selling of sex to be revolting and immoral regardless of the person's gender."

I find it the same as taking a girl out to dinner and a movie then moving on to more adult entertainment.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of men selling their bodies like chattel? How about movie extras or supermodels?

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

So you don't watch television, buy anything advertised based on sex-sells marketing watch movies where the cast is determined by sex appeal in order to sell tickets by selling sex, or listen to any genre of music which involves the selling of sex - including rap, country, rock, top 40, alternative, classical, independent - or read anything which uses the selling of sex to generate appeal, such as Shakespeare or adhere to any religion that promotes the selling of sex such as Christianity.

You really ought to try to leave your house more often.

Liberty275 5 years, 2 months ago

No. I spaced out and misread what you wrote. You answered the question before I even asked. Mea Culpa r2.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

There is a difference in using one's body to sell a product and having one's body be the product. Models, actors/actresses do the former. Strippers and professional athletes do the latter.

Seth Peterson 5 years, 2 months ago

No, models don't get paid for the revenue generated by their ad streams or the product the company is selling. A model's body is their product, the company that uses her as contract labor to generate money from their product which they are trying to sell.

KansasPerson 5 years, 2 months ago

"or adhere to any religion that promotes the selling of sex such as Christianity."

Sorry, you lost me there. What the heck are you talking about?

rbwaa 5 years, 2 months ago

for those of you who believe anna should have been given a reason for being fired obviously haven't experienced the 'right to work' law in kansas which means an employer has the right to fire you with no explanation... [unless, of course, you have a contract]

KansasPerson 5 years, 2 months ago

Does the right to work law apply to non-employees?

On another tack -- perhaps her pink-slip (yellow tablet) notice is invalid, since Anna is not her legal name! (Loophole!) :)

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Strippers are independent contractors. They are not employees. Anna had to pay a fee in order to strip at the Outhouse - think of it as renting a booth at a fair to sell products. The owner has basically told Anna that she can no longer set up her booth at their establishment.

ontheroadfitness 5 years, 2 months ago

I have On The Road Fitness... you could have On The Road Stripping and do private strip shows at bachelor parties, frat houses, etc!

Tom McCune 5 years, 2 months ago

Anna has pointed out numerous times before that she is an independent contractor, not an employee. Absent a contract to the contrary, the customer (Outhouse) is free to end their business relationship any time for any reason or for no reason, just as Anna is free to move to New York or Topuka and strip wherever they will put her on stage.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

The stripping Twitter-sphere thinks I should move back to New York. I said if I did that, I'd be the only person ever to get pushed out of Kansas and effectively sent back to Manhattan.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Today's sign of the apocalypse:

There is such a thing as the "stripping Twitter-sphere."

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Having had such a good experience at the Outhouse after hearing it was a nightmare of a place to work, I've learned not to trust rumors about strip clubs. That being said, according to close friends, I wouldn't fit in very well there. I'm not a Junction City girl, they say.

Who knows. Maybe I should try it anyway. I do like my new club so far, though. They are awesome.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Workman's comp is an entirely different animal from unemployment.

LoveThsLife 5 years, 2 months ago

"Jeff does, rather magnanimously, I think, allow some girls to come back after paying a fine for whatever they did."

I wouldn't call it magnanimous. The guy is a tool.....not any better than a pimp. What a joker.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

What a shock -- not much middle ground on people's reactions to the stripping blog.

Love it or hate it, you have to give the girl credit for knowing how to stir the pot. I can see why years ago "Grace Undressed," the original stripper blog, was so popular. With RoeD not writing as much on his blog these days and Ronda dropping her music-inspired stories, things have been a tad dull around here lately. This is apparently what was called for -- a bit of "You're fired!" nekkidness.

Plus, it is really good for a laugh. (I still can't get over the "regal" line! Damn, that is funny.)

However, trying to figure out who said what to whom and then figuring out when they said it is a little crazy with the newly imbedded text. Too many side discussions ends up with people just chasing their own tails ... all of which is in my opinion, of course.

denak 5 years, 2 months ago

I have to laugh. Seriously, when Anna pulled her stupid little stunt and supposedly called the police on me, I talked to a good friend of mine who happens to know quite a bit about the stripping industry in this town. And she told me that the Outhouse is considered such a low-class establishment that the "better" clubs in this town won't hire any girls from there.

So, the fact that "Anna" has to go at least an hour away to be hired, shows what a low-class establishment "Anna" has worked in for the last year and what a bunch of bunk her blog has been.

Dena

P.S. Kansas is an "at-will" state, Jeff doesn't have to give you a reason for firing you.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Dena, your reply came right after mine! Quit stalking me already or I'll call the cyber-police, I swear!

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Funny!

I wonder how many times can someone reply to a reply to a reply ... before the response becomes so tiny on the page it can't be seen with the human eye.

BorderRuffian 5 years, 2 months ago

I wonder if Denak is also an undercover stripper. I mean, take the first two letters of her screen name and put them at the end and you have "Naked."

jonas_opines 5 years, 2 months ago

I commented on the first of these blogs when it was still somewhat novel, and I've tried to stay away from them until here at the end. Call these my final thoughts in the hope that there won't be another of these.

You had to know that this was the condition of the industry, if not beforehand then very quickly after you started. I've never met or even heard of a woman in this industry finding it fulfilling or really anything other than harmful to them in the long run. I've never been sure what your motivations were in starting this blog (though seeing Anna Undercover was here on the wall of the Java Break bathroom leads me to certain suspicions), but you've got to guess that your view into the industry was probably less than appreciated by your employer.

I have no opinion on the morals of the industry past the people I know who have dabbled in and been dissapointed by their experience of it. My personal opinion is less evil than pointless, kind of like my favorite joke on the topic, that it's like throwing a turkey down in front of a starving man and all he can do is yell at it things like "Bet you go good with gravy, oh yeah!".

Anyway, I recommend that you take this opportunity to get the hell out before the industry burns you up.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Katara's 6:55 pm imbedded comment is pretty accurate regarding this situation. Too bad it is somewhat hidden because it is well stated. Anna's comments about how wonderful life as a stripper is while coming from a somewhat priviledged position (her parents put Anna through ballet school and she has been to college) is not accurate of the industry as a whole. Further, she has no children or others who depend on her for income and a family who would take her in if she needed it, which is far different from most sex industry workers. Well said Katara. It was worth repeating.

anomicbomb 5 years, 2 months ago

"Call it elitism or any other of a number of things, but I felt invincible to getting fired--ever."

It isn't elitist, just a tad delusional. Put all the prig moralist nonsense of your detractors here aside--it is time to start being a realist about your job.

Just like ever other girl working in such clubs, you are expendable labor to be exploited for profit. I say this in an amoral sense. Management can be the nicest, most caring people in the industry or petty jerks who don't care at all about who is working at their establishment, and this fundamental reality doesn't change. You are always just another worker, which is really no big deal with the right perspective.

If you enjoy it, can plan for and psychologically tolerate the slow times, rough patches, and occasional mistreatment,, you can make relatively good money (at least in the short term). I think this is great if you understand this reality and choose to engage. Go for it, but with your head on straight.

On the other hand, if you really think the show is about you or that you are 'invincible', it is time to get in touch with reality. You might be special to your customers, but you aren't going to be special to management, regardless of whether they personally like you. You are only as good as the money you can generate without causing potential drama or risk. This blog is likely an example of such a risk, as may be other things you insist on or are extremely public about.

Getting fired and switching locations will likely be a continual element of your reality if you continue to work in this business, even if you don't fully understand the reasons why. If this causes unreasonable personal difficulty, contingencies plans are a good idea to at least consider.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

I always laugh when I see comments from you. I don't mind that you read the blog, and you know I appreciate all your feedback, but you know exactly where to find me!

And I find that funny. :)

Teehee.

On what you said: Well, yes. To all of it. But, not everything I feel is completely rational, and presenting my experiences without how I actually feel about them would be silly.

7texdude 5 years, 2 months ago

Reading this usually makes me laugh and today is no different. How can anyone be surprised -a customer, a dancer, a bouncer, bartender, or an owner - that the stripping business is sleazy. The dancers can be treated poorly? OMG! You were fired without cause? Gasp! And the moralists who scream at Anna that Bible and Jesus will save you, but overlook the Catholic Church sex abuses repeatedly. So funny.....

I'm not sure what cracks me up more: a stripper complaining about how he mistreated by her boss or a churchgoer who screams slut at her after praying for the safety and health of the pope. HAHAHAHAHA!

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

7texdude, so one must be a churchgoer to have a sense of morality? A sense of right and wrong is only equated to religion? That sucks, seeing as how I am an atheist. However, this is a stripper's blog, so indeed, the Catholic Church did not come into the conversation. Just to clear the air, those who abuse children and hide behind the church are far worse than those who simply strip -- there, feel better now? I would as soon listen to the Pope on issues of morality as I would Larry Flynt.

However, you are the ONLY one here to metion Jesus or the Bible here. The only one. Don't believe me, then do a search to find either word on this page.

No. One does not need to be a Jesus freak in order to appreciate a basic level of morality or have even the simplest understanding of how human beings should treat one another. One need not have religion in order to have morals.

1029 5 years, 2 months ago

keep your chin up, sometimes look em in the eye, show em the skills you learnt, and you'll do just fine.

-unknown 19th century poet

independant1 5 years, 2 months ago

Did B say GRL?

I have everything I had 20 years ago, only it's all a little lower. (Gypsy Rose Lee)

Zilla 5 years, 2 months ago

He'll hire you back I'm sure. The first time I got canned from the OH, I didn't have to pay anything to go back. I've only been fired 3 times from that place in the 5-6 yrs that I worked there so I consider myself lucky.
This place isn't any lower class than any other strip club in Lawrence. Word of mouth doesn't count. Go there yourself and ignore the hype. One of these days maybe I'll make a return. =) Girls drive out to work at the OH from places as far away as Warrensburg. They wouldn't do it if they didn't feel it was worth the trip. It's the most well known and gossiped about strip club in town. No matter what anyone says this place is a legend.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

:) It is a legend. Such a well loved one, too. The fact that everyone pays Jeff's high fines to come back and be in that atmosphere with those girls demonstrates exactly how much we love it.

People who don't get the Outhouse just, well, don't get it. :)

I spoke with some people yesterday and Jeff is apparently mum on the subject. One of the bouncers said that he spoke with him and Jeff still wouldn't say what it was. Whatever the reason is, the bouncer told me, "it's between you and Jeff."

Great! (Because we hang out all the time to brush each other's hair and talk about American Idol).

The girls have their theories, of course. I'll call you about those, but it's nap time for me now. :)

Zilla 5 years, 2 months ago

Ha ha. I just got a mental image of you and Jeff gossiping about American Idol and doing eachothers hair. That made my day.

ohseriously 5 years, 2 months ago

Getting fired stinks. The upside is that it can be a little gift of time for reflection to re-evalute your path. As a professional hatchet-wielder, I think 95% of the time persons who are taken off the company rolls know exactly why it happened. May not want to own it, but they know why. Even if employer gives you a reason (and good employers will) that is probably not the sole reason or even the main reason. That's HR "CYA" policy and procedure.

Good suggestions here why you were likely fired, Anna.

My two cents is that the sex industry NEEDS to stay on the outskirts of communities to protect the privacy of it's consumers, the thin blurry line of other legal issues that occur at strip clubs, and the sense of excitement that sexual intrigue gives (dirty little secrets!). You are wrecking that sense of intrigue publicly.

This is my question to Anna: I thought you took this job to make extra cash to pay down your debts? Now, you quit your day job, you have not worked in weeks and you have no savings? What happened there?

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

As I've written, Jeff has known about this blog for four months now, and it would be difficult to argue that it's read by so many people that the stripping industry in Kansas is no longer on the "outskirts," as you say.

I think I only have 12 Google Reader subscribers.

It is not true that I "have not worked in weeks." I was let go last Monday, as I said, and did not give any other information; however, I'm happy to fill you in. Here you go: I worked two days last week. (Three is best, but two is not unusual for a dancer).

ohseriously 5 years, 2 months ago

My bad - just a week of vacation - not weeks.

Stripping (and all sex industry jobs) is a career that is outside of community norms. How can you possibly argue that it is not by making a case that your blog is popular?

But that is why you are so entertaining!

My question is: What happened to the plan to use the money earned from stripping as a fun second job to pay down credit card debt?

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Sigh. What did happen to the plan to pay down the credit card debt?

The good news is that I've been making pretty big payments compared to before. The other good news is I've finagled a way to stop any interest from accruing.

The bad news is that with the rest of the money I've earned, I started behaving carelessly. It started with Paris, continued in New York, and bit the dust in Nevada. ::facepalm::

Luckily, this does not spell game over, and I can get back on track.

Was thinking about writing about this.

anomicbomb 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm glad to hear the 'back on track' talk =)

I know you know this, but inconsistently paying jobs that have occasionally huge spikes (stripping and poker come to mind) are damned hard to budget. Anyone who has never experienced trying to handle what this is like has no idea how hard it is to be smart with money when it is coming in all fast and furious during the good times. It is against our human nature to rationally plan out those big nights/weeks and prepare for slow times.

I wish you luck! No advice here as I'm not a great model for this and am just lucky to finally have a consistent and good paying job =)

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Also, I said my blog is not popular. Twelve Google Reader subscribers does not remove the stripping industry from the "outskirts."

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Also: When Jeff learned about my website, I offered to use it (not the blog, here) to help him promote a new part of his own business.

He was pleased with the idea, and offered me free tipout for that night.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Sigh...

And then you used your LJW blog to talk about how great other clubs are. How do you not get that business owners that you derive you income from generally do not like you talking about the competition in a flattering way?

When you talk about working at others clubs, customers that come to see you go to where you are and not to his club. He loses out on paying customers.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Which club(s) are you speaking of? Just the ones here in Lawrence, or the one in New York that I reviewed--Private Eyes?

It would be ridiculous if I claimed it wasn't possible to have a good time at the other clubs in town. Of course it is. They each offer something different, and my 'home club'--the one I worked at first--will always hold a special place in my heart. :)

Additionally, each club seems to cater to a different crowd.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Paradise would be one of them that you have blogged about off the top of my head.

Holding a special place in your heart really means nothing to a business owner that makes his money off the bodies of others. You not there & blogging about how wonderful other clubs are = less paying customers for him. Why don't you get this?

He makes his money off your tipout & cover charges. If you have a fan base coming to the OH because you are there, he makes more money. If you are not there (for whatever reason) that fan base is less likely to make an appearance and pay cover charges & he is not getting his tipout from you.

This seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

I've never "blogged about" Paradise. I've mentioned that I had a great time there, but never spent an entire entry on it.

I do spend entry after entry raving about the Outhouse, though.

It would be dishonest and very silly of me not to admit I had a great time at another place as well, lol.

Additionally, Paradise and the Outhouse have vastly different customer bases. There may be some overlap, but it's likely very little.

Paradise caters to a mostly Tonganoxie- and North Lawrence-based blue collar crowd who like a smaller, more intimate environment. I met Tongie-ans only very rarely at the Outhouse, and it would be difficult to call that venue's wild atmosphere 'intimate.'

Matthew Fowler 5 years, 2 months ago

People that own, work at, or patronize strip clubs are all losers. So, in order to solve your money troubles, you might want to look into "not being a loser." Then go from there.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

Casting a very wide net there Mr Fowler. Probably not a good idea. I would recommend you think about the position you have taken and come up with some reasons why EVERYONE associated with these establishments is a "loser." Otherwise, you are just barking at the wind.

Liberty275 5 years, 2 months ago

If having a 20 year old girl grinding on your lap for a measly $20 makes you a loser, That's the best sort of loser I can imagine. I loved it back in the day, but I'm married now and I don't feel like driving to the outhouse or the dirty bird.

As for the stripper being a loser, in the right town they can make a thousand dollars a night for doing nothing more than being friendly. Try making that at your job at banana republic.

gatekeeper 5 years, 2 months ago

Grinding on crotches is a little more than "being friendly". The right town, the right gentleman's club, only the hottest chicks with the biggest fake boobs - that's how you can make big money peeling unless you're doing other things on the side (which the bouncers at the OH say happens all the time).

SLOPOKE 5 years, 2 months ago

I would'nt SAY LOSERS, that only describes the person using it...It is tuff when you are a good person trying to make a living in and around people very Liberal with a sick ego..THAT'S LIFE in the fast lane---Mr. mfowler Stay on it girl!!! With ya!!

SLOPOKE 5 years, 2 months ago

I have not read all comments; and I don't know exactly how you were hired on...And I'm not sure if you want to say?? I'm on Disability and worked at all BP shops(7 yrs.). The company sold out and when the new owner took over, he came in and fired every one and brought in his own people..I kebt coming to work AFTER I notified the FED's, and the State employment service, with a Disspute, And won,and got my job back With my personal comfort stool...I loved every minute of it...New store manger and her friend set me up,on a bogus story and in the end they got there way, and let me go...F---em. I enjoyed every min. of the fight..There is more than one way to skin a A-- ho--!!

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

That's quite a story. As of right now, I miss the job, but I'll stick with the new place for the time being. Of course, my opinion on what to do is kind of in motion, but I'm pretty sure I'll stick with this plan.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

The illusion of quick and easy money explains that, Multidisciplinary.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

It's not just the money.

What many readers need to wrap their heads around is that these girls love their jobs and like the local legendary dive that is the Outhouse. Many people don't want to work anywhere else.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

And this should scream red flag to you.

How many of those girls have other options?

People do not normally go back to the place that let them go unless they have no other options. If you have such an emotional attachment to your place of employment that you are willing to pay an outrageous fine to be allowed to work there again, you need to examine how healthy you are emotionally.

Definition of insanity = repeating the same actions over and over expecting different results.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Do you even get what you are saying?

This guy fires you (which hits your self-esteem no matter who you are) and then adds insult to injury by charging you a fine for the privilege of working at his establishment... where the exact same thing will happen again as your friend Zilla experienced.

Does this sound empowering to you?

What you are describing (and what you can't wrap your head around) is the same mentality of an abused spouse that refuses to leave the relationship because they loooooooove him & he isn't so bad, really.

And you think this is a good thing? That the money you make there is worth it?

Figuring a CBA is definitely not a strong point for you.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Why? You've told us what it is... law school supposedly to seek justice for those in the sex industry.

The irony is pretty thick.

A sound CBA would tell you the sex industry is not a smart choice for income. A good CBA would figure in ALL costs, not just monetary ones.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

That's not what I meant. I have a lot to do today, though, so our conversation will have to end here. Take care. :)

Zilla 5 years, 2 months ago

That's sort of a skewed perceptive on something you don't really have insight on, but, hey, if that's how you feel...

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

It's pretty funny when people pull the "You don't understand because you are aren't there" argument. Not much that different from the "You just don't understand him/her like I do" argument.

Empowered people see the situation for what it is...abusive and disrespectful.

Jerk fires you, refuses to give you a reason as to why you are no longer welcome and actually goes all passive-aggressive by not communicating with you directly & doing the "You know the reason why" schtick...but you still go back despite the fact that the jerk apparently does this more than once to various girls (three times for you, correct?) and you believe others don't really have any insight on this.

Claiming one must have direct insight through experience on a situation to fully understand it is bunk.

I can observe someone get burned from sticking their hand in fire and not have to do it myself in order to figure out that fire is hot.

Zilla 5 years, 2 months ago

No...I was simply meaning that my experience wasn't like that at all. I loved working there. I can't remember why I got fired the first time, but the second time was for throwing a drink in someones face, the third time was because I took a vacation without notice. So those were my fault. But, that doesn't matter. And if you never take a chance on anything because you observe that it isn't working out for others, what a boring existence you must lead. That's like saying, "I see all these car accidents on the news so therefore I'm not going to drive." And also you consider yourself an "empowered" person? How so? I'm curious as to why...

KU_Dude 5 years, 2 months ago

Dear LJW,

Can someone really link you from an adult entertainment site?

Go here and then click on the blog. http://www.annaundercover.com/

It seems to me that this is a major violation of the use agreement.

KU Dude

KansasPerson 5 years, 2 months ago

"Adult entertainment site?" Are you serious??

It's got a "what to do in Lawrence" link (canoeing! horseback riding! music lessons! pretty racy stuff if you ask me!), a store with one t-shirt for sale, an outdated mention of when she'll be working (but not where) in which it doesn't even mention what she does, and the requisite "about me" page which talks about family, books, and stuff like that.

If that's your idea of an "adult entertainment site," well, sorry, but you're wrong.

KU_Dude 5 years, 2 months ago

There's profanity on the t-shirt link You do know what she's talking about when she uses the word "taco" that way don't you? Just sayin'

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

By your same logic we should then report all websites that talk about someone being a pianist. We all know what they are talking about when they say they have been playing for years. Those pianists. Porn peddlers I tells ya.

somedude20 5 years, 2 months ago

unless you are "mentally challenged" you know darn well what "taco" "she" is referring to when "she" tells you that "it" won't give you "heartburn"

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

If you want to flag every site as a pornographic site that uses double entendre or even mentions anything remotely "adult" or can be misconstrued as "adult," the internet would be a barren place because there would be nothing but porn everywhere...wait, there already is.

Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 2 months ago

We get linked from all over the Internet, including from some places I wouldn't voluntarily go. But no, that's no violation of the TOS. Anyone can link to us.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

I think we need to address the context of being "fired" here. To the average person, being fired means you did something wrong to lose your job. It carries a deep, severe wrongness that makes each and every one of us fear it.

Reading the blog, Anna mentions something about "fines on the books." It seems to me that most girls getting "fired" from the OH have issues of unpaid fines. Fines probably resulting from things like coming in late, not coming in at all or maybe complaints from customers. She also mentioned "Jeff rarely responds to texts right away." This tells me that her boss either is not always accessible or doesn't communicate things to the employees too well. Lastly, seeing comments from other former OH dancers, it seems apparent that girls get "fired" and come back often. Maybe "fired" wasn't the best of terms as it has brought about the question "What did you do?" and allowed for speculation in some wrong-doing. Maybe the phrase "ending the partnership or engagement" may be a more accurate portrayal of what really went on.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

The White Knight strikes again...

When your source of income tells you that you are no longer welcome at their establishment, you have been fired.

This guy fires people by a note - of course he doesn't communicate too well but either way, he has made it clear that Anna is no longer welcome to work there. He does not have to give a reason because not only is Kansas an at-will state but she is also an independent contractor.

The fines mentioned do not seem to be unpaid fees. That would be silly for him to fire someone who owes him money. It would be very unlikely that he would get it back then. The fines referred to are more likely penalty fines for girls whose "crimes" were not bad enough to completely blacklisted. But as others have asked, why would you want to go back to a place that told you they did not want you around? Are they that desperate?

Empowered people move on to newer and perhaps better opportunities. They don't repeat the situation.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm just trying to draw inferences to what she wrote, just like everyone else. I can only assume she didn't want to leave the OH due to the probable facts that 1. she has developed a client base there, 2. the money was good, and 3. she liked the people she worked with. I will concede the point that sometimes it is good to move on to newer and possibly better opportunities.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

  1. Her client base will follow. I don't think client base is really the best term for in. Fan club would be more accurate for someone in the entertainment business.

  2. The money at the OH could not have been that good or she wouldn't have been moaning about her financial woes or working at different clubs.

Or her financial woes (i.e. the credit card debt she mentioned as the reason for starting this job) are too big for 1 income to handle. It also probably has a lot to do with her trying to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer budget. It is not doable for the long-term.

  1. Liking the people you work with is not a good reason for going back to a place that has told you they don't want you there. Would you go back into a bad relationship just because you like the person's friends?

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

My client base probably won't follow.

Money everywhere is bad right now. If you ever want to put your fingers on the pulse of the economy, walk into a strip club and ask the girls how they're doing.

It is not accurate to say that credit card debt is the sole reason I took this job. I took it so I could continue working in nonprofit management during the day. Credit card debt is just one of the things I wanted to pay for with my income.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

And how well did that work out? You quit your day job, correct? So the purpose of taking on the stripping job was kind of pointless if that was the main reason.

And really? Money is bad everywhere right now? Really? Money was bad last year too but you chose to take a job that relies on people having extra money to spend. Does that sound like a financially smart thing to do?

Add that in to the fact that you lack money management skills (or at least the willpower to use them). From the couple of times I bothered to read your Twitter thing, you nickel and dime yourself to death. You talk out of both sides of your mouth concerning finances. "I'm saving for my LSAT fund!" then skipping out on working (your source of income) to travel here and there. Not exactly the best way to pad your pocketbook.

Law school is a pipe dream for you at this point. You don't exhibit the drive nor the willpower to even get to it. You are in your late twenties and have not grasped the concept of delayed gratification (Granted, there are many out there who have not gotten it & this is why our economy is where it is at). Its all good splurging now and then but when your whole financial life is one splurge, you need to re-evaluate your goals and how important they really are to you.

If law school is what you truly want, ditch the travel, the eating out, the coffees, the drinks, etc. Buckle down and earn the money. That means working more than occasionally and more than just when you feel like working. It means cutting out the unnecessaries. If stripping is how you plan on doing this, you'll have to work more than 1-3 nights a week.

Have you even thought about the cost involved? I don't get the impression your plans have even gotten that far. Use this as a basis for your figures (and this is one of the cheaper options).

http://www.law.ku.edu/prospective/costsaid/tuitionfees/

You will also have to consider that you most likely do not meet the qualifications of Kansas resident for tuition purposes, especially if you take the job in New York for the summer. Residency is no longer easy to get at KU. It has not been that way for years. If you didn't graduate from a KS high school and cannot prove that you will take a career that will keep you in KS, you are mostly out of luck.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Some of your assumptions are correct; however, some of them aren't. It sounds like you're lacking a big chunk of information, but I don't have time to get into everything at the moment.

Please remember that it's OK to ask questions.

I hope you get outside and enjoy the weather. It's beautiful today.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

I can only go by the info you put out there (and you put out a lot of info - some of which I do not believe is intentional and will probably come back to bite you.).

We've tried the Q & A games before, Anna. It is not productive when you chose to play coy about your answers. I am a direct person.

I've been outside many times already today. It is beautiful. Your not so subtle backhanded attempt at snottiness is not so beautiful though. Perhaps Jeff got tired of the insincerity that you often display to others here?

You have been given useful info here by many. It is your decision whether or not as to use it to your benefit. I am not so hopeful that you will though. You don't seemed to have learned much from your experiences.

Matthew Fowler 5 years, 2 months ago

Don't waste your time, Katara. This is all a bunch of BS. If this woman aspired to being in a profession that helps and makes a difference, she'd be doing it already.

Her mentality reminds me of the guy who says he's finally "seen the light" and quit drinking...until the next time he has a beer.

Another thing...who the hell creates a blog that is certain to attract criticism and abuse; and then talks all 'nicey-nicey' and conciliatory to those posting the abuse? This girl is addicted to getting shlt on--but we already knew that by her choice of profession, didn't we?

Anna, put your clothes on, get a life, go be someone important and do good things. It doesn't cost a penny.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

It's called "kill them with kindness." I have have been guilty in the past of getting angry and taking part in the equivalent of a shouting match on this site. What has it got me in return? Ridicule. I feel it best to keep my tone down in the hopes that other commenter will do the same. Angry criticism and abuse are only heaped upon someone when there is hopes of a reaction, namely the return of the anger and abuse. Anna and I seem to have mutually agreed to not fight the angry people and instead, attempt to have a real discussion in these comments. Some it has worked, namely the spirited discussions with Katara, while others, namely yourself Mr. Fowler, continue to be angry. I hope you'll come around and join the discussion instead of lobbing insults.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Both you and Anna came in with a predetermined idea as to why I think stripping is a bad idea as a job the first time around and have just now seemed to have gotten a clue that I have no moral issues with the nekkid stuff.

Please do not make the mistake of assuming that your "niceness" (read as slightly better veiled nastiness) is the reason I am having any form of discussion with you or Anna.

And why are you speaking for Anna again? Are you a frog in her pocket? She is a big girl and does not need a rescuer to come in to defend her honor. How patently sexist! You don't do this with the males on this forum that take a beating.

It is simply comedy gold to watch you chide others on behavior.

619.

Booyaka.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Yes and no. Some do aspire but just don't know how to get there. They either were given the tools but never were taught how to use them (which I think is Anna's case) or they don't know how to get the tools.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

I regret that you've interpreted my tone as anything other than sincere.

Take care.

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

No, you don't.

There has not been any sincerity in your responses to anyone here that has disagreed with you. All one has to do is review all your previous blogs. You had ample opportunity to have good and productive discussions with people here but chose instead to insult with blanket labels and snideness.

All the things you've accused others of on here, you are doubly so guilty of doing.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

Perception is reality. This is the way you have chosen to perceive my comments to you. So be it. I have attempted to be civil and I will continue to do so. And I don't speak for Anna, but like everyone else here, I can make inferences and perceptions on what she says and means. I just chose to voice what I think she is saying and I will continue to do so until she tells me otherwise.

I_Scenet_It 5 years, 2 months ago

Katara FTW!!!!

Seriously Vic, give it up champ. You're labeled (as Anna's lap dog) and NO ONE will ever take you seriously again, Captain Save a Stripper.

Anna, you're weak. You avoid your critics. Answer some questions or stop blogging. Take a page from Kevin Smith. He’ll answer any question about anything, whether good or bad. You should do the same.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Doing dramatic readings of my comments is the only thing that will make them sound in any way insincere.

However, you are entitled to your feelings.

If you insist that I don't mean what I say, and that you don't believe what I'm putting out there--including this response to what you've claimed--then there is nothing left that I can do for you.

(@Katara)

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

Actually, no. Context is what does and you obviously lack some. I'd suggest re-reading your responses back to those who aren't applying their lips to your backside.

If you can't catch a clue as to how you come across--then there is nothing left that I (or anyone else for that matter) can do for you.

ohseriously 5 years, 2 months ago

Fired....let go....forced or agreed to resign....laid-off....contract not re-newed. Same thing.

You are right - fired may not be the best word for Anna to use, but I am sure that she feels the pain of rejection that the word "fired!" lends in our common usage. It is a very hard thing to go through - especially when you are not given a reason. That is why HR people will give a reasonable reason - lessens everyone's pain and tension and prevents lawsuits.

Still, I contend that 95% of persons KNOW WHY given some self-reflection. And that KNOWING WHY does not mean that they were in the wrong either....maybe just the wrong person for the position at the wrong time. I have been involved in hundreds of terminations - only a few true narcissistic personalities lacked ANY self-insight into why it happened. It may take a normal person weeks and months to process and understand what happened.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Under normal circumstances, you are absolutely correct.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

And I thought we were going for a low hate, low anger discussion...

power, your seething anger and hate is palpable from here.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

If you have questions about what it's like to work with me, the people I've worked with are very easy to find.

Good luck!

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Lol it's all good. No worries. Thanks though. :)

I_Scenet_It 5 years, 2 months ago

^^^^^^ Arrogant and Diva are spot on descriptions of her.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Whether you're talking about me or Zilla, you're incorrect.

whats_going_on 5 years, 2 months ago

Who fires someone like that...thats stupid. Be glad you don't work there, Jeff sounds like a douchetool.

Fixed_Asset 5 years, 2 months ago

It is very telling, with all the subjects discussed on this site, the one that stays at the top is about a stripper getting fired.

Marty_McFly 5 years, 2 months ago

You were probably fired because you weren't "hot" enough any more...or Jeff found someone better who would work for less and "do" more.

Vic 5 years, 2 months ago

Sorry Marty, "work for less" doesn't apply in this line of work. Anna pays for the right to dance on the stage or "tipout" in their lingo. Jeff doesn't pay her anything, the patrons do.

whats_going_on 5 years, 2 months ago

and btw...that tshirt is ridiculous. I'd laugh at any unfortunately moron who purchased, and actually wore it.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

It hasn't sold well, so I'm probably going to take it down anyway. Fear not.

I_Scenet_It 5 years, 2 months ago

It's a RIP OFF of the Pink Taco resturant shirts. It be nice if she had an ORIGINAL idea. I bet Joe College made that crap.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

It's an inside joke with my roommates that happens to work as a t-shirt.

Joe-College wasn't involved. I went to a private maker in Olathe to make it.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

FYI: A new entry in a blog is not a "new blog."

Sorry; I'm not always available. I sleep during the daytime (mostly) and on top of having a non-computer night job, more than a few hobbies, and a new part-time gig during some daytime hours, it is unreasonable to expect me to respond to every person, every time they comment.

On not responding to negative comments: I don't always respond to these because the person has usually made their point, and since this blog is about me, my job, and how much I love it, I've already made mine. And the ad hominem attacks are predictable and boring, so skipping those improves the quality of the comment section overall.

Moreover, there's no need for me to defend myself if it's quite clear that the attack was unnecessary and any implied insult was inaccurate in the first place.

anomicbomb 5 years, 2 months ago

Anna,

+1 on not wasting your time on the petty moralists who have their minds made and don't even want to consider that you may like your situation and it isn't terrible for you. Some detractors have valid points to consider (as you know), but for all of those that are doing the same predictable nonsense, screw 'em =)

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Somebody should ask Anna if she had heard of the "Grace Undressed" blog before coming up with the quite similar title of her own blog. I'd ask, but she wouldn't answer because I believe I have already made my point.

independant1 5 years, 2 months ago

One man plus 2 beers equals $20. (Anna Nicole Smith)

bearded_gnome 5 years, 2 months ago

I'd read more current postings, apparently about 11 of them, but they're burried in the d----d threading! not in chronological order.


  1. I see creepie stripper groupie [vic] is back in the swing trying to defend his "our dear Anna."

2. TOB: Does this mean she will move her blog to cjonline.com?

one can only hope so! but then, what'd CJonline ever do to deserve such a fate?


  1. many people believe that there are strong links between pornography and violence against women. also, pornography and domestic violence. there is no dispute that pornography does objectify women. stripping is simply live action porn. and though sex acts don't exactly take place, it is for prurient interest, and a form of prostitution: Anna wouldn't grind the schlub's crotch unless he paid her.

anomicbomb 5 years, 2 months ago

"many people believe that there are strong links between pornography and violence against women."

These people are dead wrong. There is no link between watching porn and treating women violently. The best "evidence" of this has actually been spurious correlations between porn magazine sales rates and violence against women. However, if you look at the rates of all magazines that younger men tend to buy, these same correlations exist. The truth is that younger men are more likely to be violent in general. This violence most often occurs against other men, though sometimes occurs against women.

In areas with more young men, there will be higher rates of violence against women. In areas with more young men, more porn will be sold. Correlation does not equal causation, and there is no evidence that porn causes violence against women.

"There is no dispute that pornography does objectify women."

I dispute!! If you argue that during sexual acts for money people become sexual objects, your argument becomes a tautology. During any sexual act, people are at least in part sexual objects. In this sense, 'sexual objectification' is a natural part of being a sexual animal. We recognize the sexual aspects of others as aspects of their identity and when we engage sexually we realize their sexual aspects as object forms. Big deal.

If you argue that porn makes people see women only as objects, this is nonsense. People are complicated and nuanced in many ways, even the dumb ones. People can have objectifying thoughts (wow, that girl looks good....i'd kinda like to have sex with her) and then still fully respect women in general in their day to day lives and treat them equally. People can watch porn for fun and still live life treating women equally. Hell, people can "sexually objectify" a person in a given sexual situation (such as fully appreciate and get into a hot kinky sex session) and 5 minutes after the situation engage in a multitude of ways (as a mother not a lover, as an intellectual equal, as a friend and confidant, etc.).

Maybe you can't, but millions of us can, so don't let your deficiencies be a reflection on the rest of us that can both enjoy sexuality in a multitude of ways while also respecting women in general.

If you argue pornography uniquely harms women, you had better have some evidence to prove it, and more than just anecdotes from people who hated their experiences. Any job can be proven harmful if that is your standard.

rbwaa 5 years, 2 months ago

it takes an open mind and honest interest to fully understand this song and its relevance to anna's life

Katara 5 years, 2 months ago

And that certainly makes one ask why on earth would one want to return to place that treats its workers that way, let alone pay a fine to do so.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Darling, I'm not upset or anything, but I should tell you that always get the giggles when a poster still wonders if I exist. I mean, my boyfriend, even one ex-boyfriend, my roommates, a couple current and former co-workers, and other friends have all posted at one time or another on this blog, and you could even come and see me naked at the Outhouse, had you chosen to do so. My dance name is "Anna," after all.

Sigh. :)

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

Sorry, it's actually two ex-boyfriends who have posted on this blog. I believe one of them revealed himself.

independant1 5 years, 2 months ago

Gravity will someday bring an end to your livelyhood, you really need to diversify my deere. That is, while you still have time to cultivate another steady source of income.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 2 months ago

You're totally right, and I'm on it! Very excited, actually. Diversifying in ways I never imagined. I really wish I could post about it here but I can't. :D I can't even post about it soon unfortunately. Sigh. But it's really cool and I'm crossing my fingers that everything works out. :)

There's more than one thing in the works, actually. And 'diversify' has never been so applicable to a situation. Lol. Very diverse. And very happy with the plans. :)

OK! I really have to finish up this post on taxes, or I'm gonna be so mad at myself.

TTYL.

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