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I am a stripper.

After my day job, while the civilians of Lawrence, Kansas kick off their work shoes and unwind in front of the television, I skip this after-work ritual and shower. I scrub (hard), shave, wax, and shape. I moisturize, polish, and blow-dry. I exchange a button-down shirt and Ann Taylor office slacks for track pants and a t-shirt. I load an arsenal of make-up, fishnets, and caffeinated drinks into my car. Monster bottle of ibuprofen? Check. Tupperware container with homemade dinner to-go? Check. Studded belt of vicious discipline and fury to use on customers who tip me on stage? Check. I love Mondays.

I'm not even halfway there and I have a sh-t-eating grin from ear to ear. Yay! How many people get to smoke and drink at work and beat up their customers (when I feel like it, of course!)--all without getting fired? Since I started stripping on May 5, 2009, the job I thought would be a complete nightmare has only gotten more and more fun. I love it. It has been six months as of November 5th and the novelty remains. ::squeal::

I take 15th Street toward the cornfields of conservative Middle America and blast Rob Zombie, gyrating and swaying behind the steering wheel. The adrenaline rush intoxicates. My pulse picks up. I can never wait to get on stage to jump, spin, and dance to my favorite new songs to impress customers! I enjoy that I'm no longer the anonymous nonprofit office professional; instead, I'm now adrenaline-fueled Anna, mistress of fantasy.

Stripping feels amazingly different than I expected. What I was brought up to see as humiliating now feels so exciting and empowering. At a place we will affectionately refer to as the East Lawrence Ballet (ELB), I'm on top of customers physically and as well as in conversation. I have at least something most of them want: a pretty face to look at, skillful repartée, and other desirable aspects of the girlfriend (or even just friend) experience. A professional party girl, I gently but firmly guide every interaction from clever "pick-up" lines, through entertaining anecdotes and engaging conversation, to buying a lap dance. The challenge is a fun one and I have a great time doing it.

When the road turns from pavement to dirt I always start hopping around, (even in my seat!), anticipating the challenge and the fun that comes with this culturally underground job. It is then, off this dirt road, at this "East Lawrence Ballet," that I don huge high heel shoes, smile, entertain, and take off my clothes for tips. It's like a game, and I love it. Love it.

I am not here to tell you how to feel about me, or my job. I am not here to tell you anything at all, really. Rather, I am writing this blog to show you stripping in Lawrence, Kansas, and offer you a source of information on an industry that appears at once both over- and under-exposed.

There is a lot to write.

To Be Continued…


As I promised to a specific group of Craigslisters: Please indulge in some spelling help and some grammar pointers. (Sorry! LJ-W doesn't appear to care for HTML).

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/itmanagement/0,1000000308,39273376,00.htm

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/commas.htm

Comments

James Bart 5 years, 4 months ago

A nocturnal poster at that...I know it is difficult (if not impossible) to live on a non-profit salary-was money your motivation to cultivate a "second career?" Is Lawrence any different than similiar cities in the opportunity if offers for your second income?
Thanks for sharing this "off the beaten path" slice of the real life of a real person "working for a living..."...

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@jayhawki:

I took the second job because the nonprofit job doesn't pay anything yet; we can't afford it and have a decent way to go. However, we get closer to that point every day.

Overtherainbow 5 years, 4 months ago

Hmm..... Pretty good writing actually. Have you considered majoring in journalism? You might be very good at writing stories from the perspectives of your subjects. Assuming that you really aren't Marion.

I would be interested in knowing more about why you want to expose your story to the public. What is it that we really need to know about the stripping business?

No, I won't be able to recognize your performance at the East Lawrence Ballet. I left Lawrence years ago. I do find the ELB designation both humorous and ironic. I doubt that there are many ballet enthusiasts in your audience.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Overtherainbow: I think I'll be a verified user at some point today. I believe the form went through. Thank you for the compliment on my writing. I do hope there are at least a few "ballet" fans out there. :)

remember_username 5 years, 4 months ago

Well written, with hints of more to read. Sounds like you're getting real job satisfaction out of a part time job. Also, you're in a unique position to make some interesting observations on the human behavior of both sexes at a fundamental level. I suspect your enthusiasm and writing ability will keep your readers under the same spell as your other patrons - I wonder if there's an underlying connection between the two arts?

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

very well written blog. almost professional in its quality... hmm.... well, i know that diablo cody got started by blogging about her stipper days and now she's an oscar winning screenwriter, so maybe anna has a future in the literary world.

as for being able to go to work and drink and smoke. LOL i know someone who used to be a cocktail waitress at a strip joint and she would be able to co-sign that... and more... they don't just drink and smoke while on the clock. their substances get a bit stronger than camels and jim beam (which are bad enough!). alot of these girls are hopped up-- meth, crack, ex, heroine, you name it. at the very least they are stoned on some good ol' mary jane while working (but then again, who isn't? ha.).

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

What kind of drugs is the author addicted?

Does she claim all of her income?

How much does she make on a weekend night?

tanaumaga 5 years, 4 months ago

shriveled prune loves stereotyping and jumping to conclusions.

GardenMomma 5 years, 4 months ago

Let's see how the blog goes when you have a bad night - when you don't make any money, when the men grab, insult, and are generally stingy (because there WILL be nights like that), when the other girls are spiteful and high as a kite, when the doorman and bartender want their "tip" and suddenly it's 10% tip-out to the house too.

Do you have a boyfriend? How's that working for you? It will be very interesting to see how your world will continue to change the longer you dance. I hope you have a good man if you have one.

Have you met the girls that shoot up to make it through the night or the ones who drink so much they'll probably wind up with cirrhosis of the liver? Have you met the girl whose boyfriend practically pimps her out? What about the girls who'll do almost anything for the price of a lap dance?

Perhaps you'll brush off this comment as just another naysayer or pessimist. That's fine. But be honest in your writing. Sure you can be all happy and dancing in your seat on your way but be honest about ALL the aspects of your second job. I promise you it won't all be rosy and be-bopping.

You say you want to show us what stripping is all about, then be truthful. Or have things really changed that much in the last 10 years?

Good luck with that.

jaywalker 5 years, 4 months ago

Power to ya, Anna, whatever blows your hair back.
Well written piece with a an uncomparable, attention getting title. Even those repulsed by such endeavors will be hard-pressed to avoid clicking on and at least scanning your blog. Good job. I do find it mildly hard to believe you feel this empowered from working the Outhouse, but everyone's gears mesh differently.

Garden, Do you really think she hasn't experienced such nights already?

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@honeychild and The_Original_Bob

I am not a student.

coolmom 5 years, 4 months ago

as long as you are safe and happy i say do what you need to do.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@The_Original_Bob

:) Hopefully, you'll like the next post better.

A lot of people try to speak for strippers, but to date, we do not have a very loud voice of our own in the media. This blog will offer exposure to an actual stripper perspective. It will add to the number of primary sources for people to get first-hand information about strippers and stripping.

I'm sorry you were lazy in college. :)

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Multidisciplinary Maraca...? What? I love Fosse! My background is more in ballet, though.

@Veritas I'm glad!

@roger_gilchrist Clearly, more empirical research is needed on your part. ;)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

"A lot of people try to speak for strippers, but to date, we do not have a very loud voice of our own in the media."

LOL! wow.... that was one great line!

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

LOL @ blessed. i think i'll send my boyfriend in my place... i know that some couples and single women go to ta-ta bars but i am not the one. i have my own rack-- i don't need to look at anyone else's.

he'd probably have a ball tho. lol

remember_username 5 years, 4 months ago

Hey, BlessedSap said something I agree with! Obviously, unlike other blogs, this one provides a "pole arizing view" both liberals and conservatives can agree on.

acg 5 years, 4 months ago

Ugh it drives me crazy that the generalization is all strippers are drug addicted whores. I've known many girls who made a fortune and put themselves thru school or needed extra cash and did it as a second job or some who just wanted some sexual empowerment and decided to dance. Good for u, sweetheart. Now that you're blogging, however, please look out for the trolls. They're going to do everything they can to bring u down, but pay no mind, they all suck.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@acg: Thanks for the encouragement; I appreciate it. Yes, the stereotypes are tired and predictable. Hopefully, by just sharing what it's really like to be a stripper, people will have more information to use when they form their opinions about strippers here in Lawrence going forward. And fear not--trolls don't get to me. :) As someone who works in sales, I deal with trolls all the time. Water off a duck's back!

@Marion: I highly encourage you to pay a visit to any of Lawrence's finer establishments. Paradise, the Flamingo, All Stars, and the Out House are all waiting for you. :)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

acg, i can't remember if it is chris rock or katt williams who has a bit in their standup about strippers and how they "fund their way through school". lol its hilarious.

blessed and username actually have jokes up in here-- kind of nice to see! wow-- stripping brings the world together. i can see the commercial now... on a hillside, lots of sequines and body glitter. everyone holding a coke... "i'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony...."

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Esq2eB: Thanks. Absolutely! :) I'll definitely miss it when I don't need it anymore.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 4 months ago

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9070811 5 years, 4 months ago

GardenMomma

When did you strip and start to feel those feelings? Or did you research and write multiple biographies of strippers? Just wondering as to how you can feel or can predict her future feelings.

Anna, Do whatever floats your boat. Just as long as you play it safe! You are obviously a very smart individual.

grammaddy 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks Anna! It's nice to see stereotypes broken.

tbaker 5 years, 4 months ago

Ah yes, the Out House - my favorite fabric-free entertainment venue.

An oasis of liberty where the bouncers exercise their 2nd amendment rights, and the girls ignore the 16th amendment, and you bring your own drinks. Blogger field trip indeed!

pace 5 years, 4 months ago

I am very disappointed. I have a lovely cast iron medical cabinet, years ago someone painted over the enamel with brown oil paint. I need someone who can really strip and well.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@roger_gilchrist: Though you post in jest, the East coast elitist in me is bristling... :) I want to ensure that you do not give KU credit for my decent education and/or average (plus) writing skills. That is all I shall say on that particular matter.

In related news, I am so glad to be done with college. :P

9070811 5 years, 4 months ago

Yes Roger, your whole comment makes tons of sense.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

i'm not feeling alot of sincerity in this blog but i do sense a high level of cleverness.

you really do have a nice writing style and above average grammar, spelling and use of punctuation, anna. wherever you did attend school taught you well in those areas-- which, coming from me, is a huge compliment. i can't stand how those skills have fallen off w/ the "texting generation".

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@honeychild :( Aw, it's totally sincere. I think people get overwhelmed by my enthusiasm sometimes, and find me a little unbelievable.

@FrancescaPFurbottom Happiness shouldn't darken your day! :) It takes all kinds. Be happy for others who are not anything like you.

FrancescaPFurbottom 5 years, 4 months ago

Don't flatter yourself. You make me intensely sad.

kmat 5 years, 4 months ago

Fake, fake fake. I agree with others, this girl isn't a stripper. If she is so proud of her job, why not tell us who you really are? I'm sure you would drum up even more business if you did.

I found the White Zombie line quite amusing since I saw them at the REAL Outhouse in '93. The reference to that, dancing in her seat at the site of the place, etc.... just leads to the fakeness.

A friend of mine bounced there for a while. And believe me, this guy has extremely loose morals. Even he couldn't take it for too long. Nasty chicks and the place is full of hookers and drugs. Nothing more awesome that a bunch of drugged up prostitutes. The Outhouse is not where you go to see anything that great looking, it's where you go to get a full on nude act, prostitution and don't have to pay for expensive drinks. A gentleman's club it is not.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

hey, do your thing, anna... whether the story behind this blog if genuine or not. you are an able writer and regardless of the source of your enthusiasm, it has a positive vibe to it and that is always a good thing.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

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KansasPerson 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm getting that Balloon Boy feeling.

Calling B.S. on this....

But whatever.

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

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remember_username 5 years, 4 months ago

Quick "removals" somebody must be watching closely. I always wonder what was said, not that I want to read anything particularly offensive, but curiosity often gets the best of me.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@DontheDon What a flattering offer. :) I typically work Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@BigPrune You seem very determined in your opinion that strippers are drug addicts. I am not, nor have I ever, been addicted to anything. :) ...Unless good books and dancing count!

Kash_Encarri 5 years, 4 months ago

Were you wearing the Columbia (can't call it Carolina) Blue outfit last weekend when you started your dance Anna?

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Kash_Encarri Columbia uses such a washed out shade of blue. :P None of my outfits are that color. I always wear Bettie Page-style fishnets, if that helps.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@BigPrune You know what? I'm totally addicted to Teapouro.

lounger 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh its all fun and games until somebody gets hurt physically and mentally. Be careful AnnaUndercover....

Kirk Larson 5 years, 4 months ago

You absolutely go girl! I have known some sharp and erudite strippers. Smart and making a lot better money than me! Amongst all the talk about strippers being exploited, the smart ones know that, if they keep their heads, they are exploiting the customers. It's been a long time since I stepped into any off the local skin emporia. Maybe I'll go to the Outhouse and see if I can't pick out this intriguing blogger.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

this thread is effing hilarious! all of the removals-- wow. just imagining what might have been said is amusing to the utmost.

multi, you're on fire, girl. love that last comment. you had me choking on my cheesy potatoes (its lunchtime as i type this) while i was trying to read. LOL

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@DontheDon Ew, no. Please kindly take a long walk off a short pier.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

.... never seen the adjective "erudite " followed by the subject "strippers". first time for everything i guess....

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Cappy :) Nice to hear! Re: exploitation: yep, it's just like every other sales job, after all.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

don's comment remains standing! the dude w/ the red button must have taken his lunch break.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

don.... dude.... i think i speak for the rest of us when i say you're getting a bit too creepy up in here.

tvc 5 years, 4 months ago

I bet anna is thinking twice about giving people her real name.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

one thing i will say about this blog is, its showcasing the funnier among us here at the ljw and its ferreting out the creepier of our population as well.

ksdivakat 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh this blog is a riot!! In this case I have to say that I totally agree with KMAT! I know the perosn who OWNS the outhouse and she is right, even the OWNER says its a bad place to be. Those guys dont "respect" those girls, cause those girls will bo out back and do ANYTHING for dudes paycheck, and I do mean ANYTHING. She is also wayy to educated to be so stupid as to dance out at a place like that, but I do think that there is an alterior motive for the blog, what it is, I dont know, but she aint no "respectable stripper" at the outhouse, thats for sure!

frogtoad 5 years, 4 months ago

Are you getting year end bonuses? What's the healthcare like? Once I went to the Outhouse. I was scared of the bathrooms.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@The_Original_Bob The jig is up! Your ability to discern my ("mismatched?") statements is uncanny. I cower before your superior mental powers and beg that you have mercy upon me.

@roger_gilchrist I have no idea what you're talking about.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

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Beelzebub 5 years, 4 months ago

If Anna enjoys her work and isn't into the loser/drug/alcohol lifestyle then I say Have fun babe. If I weren't married and broke I'd go out there and get some dances. The only way to have fun in these t*t bars is to be prepared to blow at least a couple hundred bucks...that'll get you a lot of attention from the dancers. A few years ago I went to the Bird fairly often. Two of the "girls" there ended up starting their own businesses...one still pretty successful on Mass St downtown. There may be exploitation of the dancers by the bar or it's employees, but it's the chumps who go in and blow their hard earned cash that get taken the most. Still, it was a good time for me, as far as I can remember...

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

don, i'm glad you're cognizant of your image on here and i hope you really are harmless and sweetness and light.

multi, well said, darling. however, now i want to know what "mischief" you were making. intriguing. ;)

Mike Blur 5 years, 4 months ago

As a verified user, and as someone who has been an active participant in Lawrence counter-cultural activities for over 3 decades, I'll say that, over the years, I have known a lot of strippers. Many of them are complex individuals (how many women aren't?) A few were pill poppers--but then again, you find pill poppers across a wide swath of the general population.

In any case, I am here to say that I know Anna, and her story is legit. She's bubbly, happy (infectiously so), and witty and articulate!

Before the course of this discussion proceeds any further, I just had to stand up and say that yes, Anna (and her story) is for real.

Hi Anna! ;)

amphigouri 5 years, 4 months ago

The Brothers Gilchrist are triggering my PTSD.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@blur OMG! Hi Mike! This is my new hobby. It's too much to type, but when I posted on CL asking people to come to the East Lawrence Ballet to buy dances and help me pay down my LMH bills, the ensuing (admittedly mild) sh*tstorm inspired me to start a blog so people can see what I'm actually like. :) Anyway, C. is coming to the ELB soon. Yay!

@The_Original_Bob Backfire? There is no backfiring happening here. I think people are understandably skeptical, though much like the next person, I do get annoyed when I'm not taken seriously. If you think this was anything more than a regular day on an anonymous Internet forum, you should see the sh*tstorms on Fark.com. They're amazing.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

i wuz gone post on this heer bloog but if mrs roe caut me ritin too a striper well that bee the las of me aint nuff cuzins too pertec me ...

oh....

dang..

ware the erace buton..

now i didit...

jes lookd up that boatin werd ..

oh...my....

gess i has led a shelltrd life...

Beelzebub 5 years, 4 months ago

Damn...intelligent, "bubbly", educated, "infectious smile"....what nights did you say you worked?

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

roe... was wondering when you were going to chime in. welcome to the blogs where skeptics are extra skeptical, clowns are extra funny and pervs are showing themselves w/ strange kind of proud creepiness. its been weird all the way around...

multi... i'll email you if i can come up w/ any idears. ;P

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

Sorry mel, had a dr. appt this a.m., when I got back this had gone a little viral so i been sittin here kinda slack-jawed, lookin fer the right werds......

so multi, more on the good old days? ;-)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

i think i just vomited in my mouth a little bit........

:/

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@roger_gilchrist A gentleman does not ask such things. A gentleman shows up and selects whichever dancer he most likes while being extremely polite to everyone else.

@Beezelbub I already said! ;)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

roe, that's no excuse. they make 'net ready mobile devices for such occassions! you're slacking, son, you're slacking!

mdrndgtl 5 years, 4 months ago

I can say with %100 confidence that this garbage was written by an actual stripper. I hope she is more exciting in person, tl;dr...

bad_dog 5 years, 4 months ago

Hmmm, looks like roger_gilchrist got disapearededededed.

Kinda ironic that a blog about a stripper took him out...

Beelzebub 5 years, 4 months ago

Thursday, Friday, Saturday....sigh....it's always good to find a dancer who is interesting and fun, as well as hot....Guys, quit your speculating and bullsh**ing around and get out there and support this Anna Undercover!

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

mult-- LMAO!! girl, i reiterate, you are on fire today!

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

izat wut colege guys do i dont think i be thinkin buot my mama in thees sitchuwashuns...

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

does lawrence import strippers from johnson or wyandotte county??.... (or jackson county. lol)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

multi, me thinks you are on to something...

AlexM80 5 years, 4 months ago

As a former dancer as well not everybody adheres to the stereotype of sex, drugs, and rock 'n roll. If you've even seen Varsity Blues then you know rock 'n roll is music they dance too. If you go to Satin Dolls in KCMO they played rap and hip hop. Must be why they are closed. hmmm? Anybody getting this? Getting to know the songs they may be dancing to is a great way to make the extra cash. I picked out my own songs too and was doomed by one poor selection. Now I can faithfully say I have never used illegal drugs in my lifetime nor have I ever had any sexual encounters for anything of monetary gain. As one had put it, ''Everyone has at one time committed prostitution. By Law, anyone who exchanges sex for anything of monetary value has just committed an act of prostitution.'' Meaning your wife rubbed your pants zipper just to buy her a new purse. Thats monetary value. Now some girls are happy with doing what they do and (also my advice) the ones that dont are ones to really stay away from. Now I know this isnt all that much help from some opinions and beliefs but unless you walk the line dont believe everything.

If the owner of The Outhouse knew of what was going on it would have been shut down and s/he arrested. So I dont think thats the case. Good try.

AlexM80 5 years, 4 months ago

Are you talking about sex trafficking now because I'm really confused?

Yes that would be considered. It would also be considered many other things. I bounced for a girl doing private parties. The guy wouldn't let her go. I walked in, put my hand on his chest and told him to let her go. He of course threatened assault, which is any unwanted touching, so I threw kidnapping, assault, sexual assault, attempted rape, and prostitution his way. Needless to say he let her go quick. Then I told him, ''I hope you didnt check in under your own name.'' Oops. blacklisted and kicked out.

Beelzebub 5 years, 4 months ago

Some women, who perhaps don't come from such a sexually repressed culture as we have here in the USA, or who are just comfortable with themselves, may find dancing/stripping to be a fun and not too formal way to make a living. Doesn't mean they're f**ked up.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

but, beel, realistically there is a very good chance that they are effed up. seriously.

AlexM80 5 years, 4 months ago

Actually I have been and have known more than four dancers that had worked there. None did drugs or anything for extra cash. Again for those that assume they know everything....dont. Then again if you want to close the club down keep chatting. Put Anna out of this job and then call this whole thing fake!! Anybody game? I only know what I know because Feds showed up to my place one day. Not for me but my gf at the time. They didnt need to talk to me nor did they subpoena me like they did with her. So I then knew that she was uh in trouble. I have called others out since then. So I wont back every single stripper, but strippers in general that abide by the rules. Ive been to Shady Lady where my best friend works. Shes not into drugs and is getting married next year. there can be a few good ones mixed in with the bad ones.

AlexM80 5 years, 4 months ago

In one way or another we are all effed up.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

i bin thinkin al day we needs a sank4ever tipe to git in on this an it shud role on intoo the weakend that is unles jonatahn stiks a forque init but i bettr not talk boutit

Shane Garrett 5 years, 4 months ago

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Overtherainbow 5 years, 4 months ago

Come on, guys. Lets provide some better literary input. Anna is obviously a good writer. With proper input, she might even land a piece in Harper's or The Atlantic. Her better-than-KU education ought to be good for something. If taking pants off on stage helps put words on paper, great! By the way, what do you charge for used garter belts?

Overtherainbow 5 years, 4 months ago

If this is really a business promotion, I suggest an alternative that is both more direct and more effective. In Honolulu, one strip bar installed an ATM machine next to its dance floor. The machine was intended for men whose abilities to resist temptation were limited. The intent was to deprive them of what little ability they had.

ATM machines in strip bars give the concept of a hangover an entirely new definition.

Sunny Parker 5 years, 4 months ago

Times are tough....about to get a lot worse! Taxes...food...gas....We'll all be dancing and stripping just to pay the house payment!

Lulu 5 years, 4 months ago

This is abominable against womyn and the equality we fought for to earn our places in the booth if this cinderblock was specific to womyn and showed enlightnement of our cause as a womyn only kind of affair without the excesses of smelly beer breathing heathen brutes who denigrate and laugh as the sight of womyn scatilly clad working for a slip of a coin in the slot of life than I would be for these sweat boxes dancing about our countryside.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

thet wer purty good lulu but yuo aint no sank4ever cuz yuo uzed tooo minny caps an prereoids watever an i cant talk boutit

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 4 months ago

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Katara 5 years, 4 months ago

The_Original_Bob (Anonymous) says… “So why the ibuprofen?” Katara

Have you ever seen the bruises on the interior of a strippers legs? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nope, can't say that I have.

Isn't it a bit too dark in stripper clubs to see the bruises?

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

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tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm not saying that all dancers are on drugs but, I knew an ex-stripper that actually got her job back because she was buying painkillers at the club from a girl she used to strip with. Talk about being at the right place at the right time!

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

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llama726 5 years, 4 months ago

Marion, why don't you keep your garbage comments to yourself. What's your experience in sociological or psychological research? Or do you want to share some anecdotal evidence with us from your wizened little brain?

puddleglum 5 years, 4 months ago

so is annaundercover just really marion?

twinetowngirl 5 years, 4 months ago

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BorderRuffian 5 years, 4 months ago

Smart girlz can be stripers 2. Wasn't Asia Carerra a card-carrying member of MENSA?

Mike Wagner 5 years, 4 months ago

I just want to know why the IRS doesn't crack down on strippers. Sorry but If we gotta pay taxes, you gotta pay taxes!

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

So, who will do the next 'final' student blog? And what will the title be?

"I Am A Bored Housewife"

"I Am A Mailman By Day, A Chippendale At Night"

"Boxers or Briefs?"

Inquiring minds want to know....

Kris_H 5 years, 4 months ago

This got interesting for me because I knew a stripper once, an intelligent and beautiful young woman who decided to take her good looks and athletic ability and use them to make money while she was in college. I believe we were calling them "exotic dancers" back then.

She did just fine. She didn't do drugs, not even alcohol as far as I know. I don't think she loved stripping, but she regarded it as an OK way to make money. She had some interesting stories and was rarely bored, I think.

There is no bad ending to the tale. She got what she wanted out of the job and then moved on. It wasn't really any different for her than, say, waitressing would have been.

So while I'm not sure Anna's genuinely a stripper, I am sure that not all strippers fit the stereotype of drug-addicted sluts.

OK, that's enough boring facts and truths, carry on with the merriment! :D

headdoctor 5 years, 4 months ago

ROFLMAO. Nothing like a couple of hundred comments of you all been had. Pure comedy gold.

headdoctor 5 years, 4 months ago

Marion (Marion Lynn) says… Marion writes: Not me but I think I'd like to meet her!


What makes you think it is a her? Wouldn't be the first time that you got your wires crossed between girls and guys posting or in your guess as to who is who that is posting. Face it, as usual you are doing it wrong.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 4 months ago

I do find all the comments funny and interesting. As far as Anna, be happy in life, no matter what your choices are, and hope all goes well. Don't like hearing your drinking and probably driving home on that very bad gravel road, especially near the train tracks. I know a few cases where people did not make that ride home.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@srj ::bops srj on the head, V8-style:: Drink!=Drunk.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

this thread is starting to get really bizarre....

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

Ok, I dont intend for this to come out as a long, drawn out diatribe so I will try to keep it short. (For those who know me, certainly know this is a difficult feat! I digress...ALREADY!)

Lets preface here shall we? I have been a dancer for 8 1/2 years - let the judgment begin! I never danced to put myself through college, I have never told anyone that I was nor do I care to lie about it. I dont dance anymore because I dont have to, but next year when I do go to school, I WILL be dancing again! After damn near 9 years I still feel a rush getting back on stage! QFT. Ive never had to "have 5 shots of vodka just to go on stage", nor have I had to do any drugs to face my job. Yes if you include ibuprofen, acetaminophen or aspirin - than I suppose everyone is guilty, but DAMN, the music is quite loud and if your sensitive to smoke it can make matters even worse. I know I never went to work at ELB without my trusty Sudafed in the summer, spring and fall! (Killer allergies and that place is in the middle of "hay fever" U.S.A) I have worked all over the midwest and a bit beyond, from high class clubs to dives bars! I have worked from Colorado to Iowa and most places in between! From the snooty folks at "Penthouse club" and "Diamond Cabaret", to the simple working class folks of "The Outhouse" and "Roxy's Showclub". No place is the same, yet no place is different....all have been experiences that have shaped who I am and I wouldnt take that back for anything! So there is my intro, now onto the ignorant banter portion of this post.

First off, I have worked with AnnaUndercover at the NLB and I can vouch for the fact that she is: A) An actual (female) person and dancer, not a journalist. B) ALWAYS extremely upbeat, happy and sometimes even overly chipper! C) Not a drug addled, mindless stripper drone (Because dont you know? We, as dancers, are a collective. We are of the hive-mind mentality, what goes for one is surely true about all! drip drip goes the sarcasm D) One of the most genuine, caring and down right awesome people I have ever met in my time dancing.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@GardenMomma- I have seen her having a "bad night", where she has been insulted, grabbed at and I am sure - made to feel like a prize heifer being auctioned off to the highest bidder! All dancers have and will feel this way from time to time, and I think this hold true to anyone who works as an independent contractor (in ANY field). As for her personal life, I will not divulge her personal info but I have no problem putting mine out there. I have, in my years of dancing, maintained perfectly healthy and functional relationships. All of these relationships lasted many years, and the dissolution of said relationships never had anything to do with my dancing. Why? Because I was always upfront and honest about what I did before entering into said relationships, I believe that a relationship born in deceit will always fail. I have never been "pimped out" by a boyfriend, I have never met a boyfriend at the club - in fact I have never dated anyone I met at the club. My work persona and my home persona are separate entities, just like everyone else in the world! To me, it is the same thing as having an "inner office romance" - which in most workplaces is discouraged. In my experiences with AnnaUndercover, she IS being truthful in her view of dancing. She is still a "newbie" in this industry, and she has the passion and drive to take it as far as she wants! Anytime someone starts a new endeavor it is fun and exciting, and sadly the novelty will eventually wear off, but its how you choose to use that experience that shapes you. Some girls do "fall victim to stripping", and that a sad thing....just as sad as when a bored housewife falls victim to Hydrocodone and alcohol, or when a White House intern who cant handle the pressure starts smoking crack, and stealing from her family! (I watch too much Intervention, I admit) When it comes to people, it takes all kinds - not just strippers, dirty, filthy, trashy strippers! Haha!

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Brandy_is_guilty- Wow, I would just LOVE to meet you! And since you just cant stop inferring that dancing isnt a "real job", I have a gift for you - Please use it often! http://tinyurl.com/y9pqwcb Everything you so ignorantly wrote in your post I have already addressed, so feel free to re-read anything you might be confused about because it does seem you are easily confused. Did you actually read Miss AnnaUndercovers blog or did you just kinda skim with your judgments already at the tip of your asinine fingers? Dancing is her SECOND JOB, her first being at a Non-profit organization that currently doesnt pay! (So where exactly did the "You must also be the first person in the history of Lawrence to get an “adrenaline rush” driving down 15th street to a dead end job.." comment come from? I mean, besides your ass.)

Geez, this could go on forever but I am not going to go there right now, my pasta is getting cold and NOBODY likes cold pasta! Point is, leave the girl alone! If you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything at all. There isnt a person in this world who has the right to judge someone else based on what they do as a source of income. (Legal income) If you have a morality issue with dancing, cool, dont do it! There is no need to bash this girl because she has the balls to do something I would say 70% of the female population has wanted to do/has done without payment/wished they could do etc... Next time you are out at a bar on a Saturday game night, take a look around. Those girls are doing the same crap for free! Ever seen "Girls gone wild" (which is pathetic)? Females all over do the same, if not worse when drunk, then we do - only difference is we get paid to do it and dont have to be trashed on Spring break! Anywho, you dont have to believe me, you dont have to believe Anna but in closing Ill leave you this - taken from another dancer blog: http://fundiva.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/100-things-i-love-about-my-job/

Have a lovely day folks!

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

maddie, i like you. your cool peeps. :)

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

^^^ I approve of this comment! (My cat is now eating my cold pasta! DAMN!)

karmaxs3 5 years, 4 months ago

When did the journal world go xxx??? Seems like a pocket of soft porn to me, just something to beat off to so the wife won't find the evidence in the history pages.

I waited tables at a place like that for a year. Every dancer I knew there was sexually abused as a child and/or currently abused by their boyfriend. They all claimed to love dancing too~they would also giggle while telling stories about stabbing their dude because he pushed them down the stairs. Just one...I have some stories too, Anna :)

Enjoy your power trip, because that's all it is. Men are led by one thing~we all know what that is.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

Simple working class folks at The Outhouse? For some reason, when I think of The Outhouse, I think of the simple, cheap, ghetto working cellulite girls, but thats just me and I suck. Lets go to All stars! BTW, is there a difference between book smarts and common sense?

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

with al of fore comments al on this bloog i gives maddly ful creditabillitty an naem hers honnerarary cuzin fer a dae noe yuos dont hav to thanks me i cant talk boutit

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

"What I was brought up to see as humiliating now feel so exiting and empowering." You know, heroin is pretty bad for you, but if I were on heroin I would imagine it feels great!

bad_dog 5 years, 4 months ago

roe, dont yo no that talk shud be spelt taulk? jes like thet rubbry white stuff ya git to fix yer leakin tub at home deepo box store.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

gess i be neadin too spel chek mor offener b_d sory boutit

bad_dog 5 years, 4 months ago

no problum, roe. i dint meen to be a uppity e-leetist or nuttin- im jest a liddle obsesssseded wit strivin fer purfexshun or sumpin, I gess.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Maddie_M 0_0 Tell me how you really feel! :) I miss you Madison! (I know, I know, "call me, biatch!") Thanks for having my back. I'm sure you saw my comment on Facebook, but you are quite the layer of Interweb smackdowns. Hope you managed to rescue your pasta from the kitty cat. See you soon. :)

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

wow, karmax, really? so you would go "beat off" to this thread?

your wife must rule the hell outta you, dude! when you have to go on the ljw to get your jollies, that's effing pathetic!

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 4 months ago

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remember_username 5 years, 4 months ago

Maddie_M - I can imagine no one likes cold pasties - oh wait, never mind...

Sorry, just came here from the Gay-Marriage postings page and needed some light-hearted amusement - hope I don't get "removalededed".

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

^^^ i know, me too username... this subject is much easier to stomach than the whole gay marriage deal... it starts getting a bit depressing after a while.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

oh, and to answer your question karmax, no, i have never been in a strip club. one time i actually dropped my boyfriend off at one tho! lol no lie! ;P i didn't want to go in... just seemed like it would be a bit depressing for me. i have some really nice body parts but the parts that i don't like are ones that some of those chicks probably would've been flaunting so i thought nope.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@tubs_of_love - Did you really just compare dancing to heroin? Comparison FAIL.

mickeyrat 5 years, 4 months ago

You can smoke cigarettes at ELB? No wonder it's the devil's playground. Now if they only served coffee, I'd be there..!

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

@Maddie_M- No, it was an analogy. You FAIL.

Mike Blur 5 years, 4 months ago

Mickeyrat--you can bring your own coffee.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Tubs_of_love - An analogy by definition requires similarities between the source and target. If dancing is like heroin, is jogging like crack? Jogging can be exhilarating, so it's just like a fatal drug as well? How about playing red rover? I really like crashing through people, so that's like meth? Got it!

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

wel autie we nevr gots too spen nere nuff tiem withe sank jes a cupple dayes no tellin whut uther slises uf da pie she cudda bin intoo so im thinkin nex tiem yuo trukkin up larryvil way mebbeewe shud git a cupple bottels liqwid gold an talk boutit

mickeyrat 5 years, 4 months ago

Thanks, Blur. While I might not be able to bring good coffee from home -- still using Kroger Breakfast Blend for jet fuel -- maybe the bitter brew & chain smoking might make the experience so much like Ye Olde Country Kitchen that I may not be able to resist stopping in. Who said the 80's were done?

Drew_Carey 5 years, 4 months ago

I000 pts for Anna She is a excellent dancer. If she would get a Pay Pal set up, if would save me some trouble and I wouldn't have to get up out of my seat until I had to pee. Just send it on my iphone. $5 from Drew. $5 from Drew. $5 from Drew. $25 from Drew. * $5 from Drew. $10 from Drew. $10 from Drew. $10 from Drew. $10 from Drew. $20 from Drew. $30 from Drew.

Brewskie's kicking in *our little secret

/mkay, make that gigantophallic secret, I'm full of surprises.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

@Maddie_M - Here's what I meant- If your going to call something humiliating and then do it and say it's empowering, you might be a hypocrite. If your going to lecture someone about how bad heroin is and then do it, you might be a hypocrite. Does that make any sense at all? What is the term for that?

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

Give up? Hypocrisy, that's what is similar.

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 4 months ago

OK, I'll stop since my message being removed obviously cut too close to home.

I don't know who Anna really is, but I know who she supposedly is. Interesting background and upbringing Anna. I will be interested in reading your follow-ups. I hope you come to explain how you ended up moving out here for a job that pays you nothing to begin with.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"Yes I read the entire post by Anna, and yes I still believe that stripping is not really a job."

So, is it a fake job?

"That's like saying being a hooker should be considered a real job."

Well, maybe it can't be in Kansas, it's illegal. I gather it's a real job in Las Vegas, and a real job in Amsterdam. Assumedly in other places. In that it's providing a service (cough), and getting paid for it. That makes it real, whether you approve or not.

"Again, how can any self-respecting female look at themselves in the mirror doing that type of work?"

Maybe they have a different perspective on things than you do. Crazy, I know. Maybe it's just an irrelevent question. But (minus gendering), the above sentence could probably cover many people's opinions on quite a number of jobs. Tobacco marketers, Insurance company executives, weapon makers, debt collectors, etc.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@brandy_is_guilty "I have several female friends making $8 an hour, yet I don't see them dancing at the local strip joint." It's unreasonable to imply that strippers should apologize for their superior math skills. Additionally, I regret that you are more concerned about whether your girlfriends are playing a role that is socially appropriate than how the more bold and adventurous of the group might consider maximizing their income. A nice nest egg developed through your 20s can open any kind of high potential business at 30.

Ricky_Vaughn 5 years, 4 months ago

Some of these people are so judgmental it makes me sick.

Like Clapton said: "'For ya 'cuse me, take a look at yourself"

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

marion is probably the biggest freak on here.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"Actually Jonas, that is a matter of personal opinion."

Of course it is, which is why I resist you calling others' opinions wrong, gullible, stupid, etc. such as the sentences below.

"I really don't feel what they are providing is a service (Although they are obviously getting paid for it). I look at it more as a scam or rip off. Most patrons that attend these venues are just to dumb to realize that they are essentially taking a lighter to their money. The entire industry is a scam."

That's what I say about the candy and video game industries.

Well, not really, but I could. For the record, I've been to one strip club in my life, on my bachelor party trip to New Orleans, and I enjoyed it not at all. I consider my own opinion on the efficacy of strippers about as relevent as yours in the larger picture. As in, good for me, pointless for anybody else.

But, by all means post your own job so we can show you the ways in which it also matters not at all.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

snesne of humor?... what the hell is that and where do i get one?

no, i think you're probably a freak because alot of the biggest "deviants" put that conservative mask on as a cover.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@musbhiorlo Lol. :) I probably wouldn't make much money if that was the case.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

... and alot of anna's customers are probably ultra-conservative and anal retentive individuals who by day, get their rocks off by looking down upon women like her (amongst other folks-- anyone who doesn't fit into his little cookie cutter fundamentalist club) but by night, are her throwing their hard-earned republican cash on the stage or stuffing it down her g-string.

y'all are super stereotypical in your own right and don't even see it.

Linda Aikins 5 years, 4 months ago

LOL as always Multi. You are the bomb!

@all of the personalities that started as Anna - zzzzzzzzzzzz.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 5 years, 4 months ago

"Since I started stripping on May 5, 2009, the job I thought would be a complete nightmare has only gotten more and more fun. I love it. "

I used to work in auto finance. We had a list of professions that were "black listed" because of risk (yeah, today that'd be illegal, I'm sure). Top of the list: exotic dancers. Why? Because on paper they were awesome, sometimes making $50K+ and not even working full-time; but the average tenure for a stripper is 6 months. Very few last more than a few months, for so many reasons. If they are lucky, they are still employable at "some" sort of job. Many are not.

I remember a collegue of mine who was working on finding a car for Mercedes Auto Finance. An L.A. stripper making 6-figures stopped making car payments and disappeared. Using cell phone records from the car's phone (which had become the property of Mercedes due to her default), they realized what she was doing. Records showed that she was heading east. She was going home to her folks in Texas. She was pregnant. Everything in her life had fallen apart. When she pulled in the driveway of her childhood home, the repo man was waiting for her. Now she had NOTHING.

Anna: Someday you will no longer see joy in what you do. It's just a matter of time.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@OldEnuf2BYurDad What of other commission-only jobs? Did you blacklist them, too? Your attitude sounds old to me.

I'm sorry that your client had such difficulty with the challenges in her life at that time. I hope that your firm and others in a position to deny benefits, capital, land, social protection, training, or credit do not share your attitude toward strippers. My money, whether a vendor chooses to like it or not, is just as green as everyone else's. My credit and FICO scores should tell you everything you need to know about my ability to pay you back. In related news, I love my car. :) I call it The Beast.

"Records showed that she was heading east." Sounds like you planned to take her down in spectacular fashion.

phyreh20 5 years, 4 months ago

How does this contrast with Climate Change?

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

oh, multi, you try so hard to be a freak and i am sure that at times in your life you've been very successful at it. the only thing is, you are out w/ it and you don't try to masquerade as an upright, starched collar citizen. therefore you aren't a deviant, darling. sorry... you're actually quite adorable in your own little mischievous way.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

LOL he is quite adept at lurking, i will admit.

Take_a_letter_Maria 5 years, 4 months ago

A lively experience is regularly encountered when attending new zones of entertainment such as Anna's East Lawrence Ballet. To any of you girls that are dancing out there, don't fall so in love with the money that you can't get yourself out when you want.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@brandy_is_guilty It depends on some things; perhaps it will remain a hobby.

Jonathan Kealing 5 years, 4 months ago

All--

It should be made clear that this blogger is not affiliated with our staff, nor with KU's journalism program. I met the woman in our offices yesterday, and for her protection as well as the protection of other users who people have suspected to be the writer, we won't tolerate any speculation on what AnnaUndercover's real name is.

Jonathan Kealing Online editor

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

So, it would seem that everyone commenting on here is against stripping, apart from the other strippers on here. Anna, maybe you should listen.

Everyone else, it may be time to end this. It seems that the same thing in a strippers brain that causes her to think stripping is a good idea, is also the same thing that causes them to not understand.

Mike Blur 5 years, 4 months ago

tubs_of_love, "everyone" commenting on this blog comment forum are the same 7 or 8 hacks who are always on ljworld.com, morning, noon, and night. Hardly representative of the community at large.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

Thats true, but seriously you could talk smack on strippers in front of anyone and not offend them, but instead find common ground. It's like an inside joke that they don't get.

However I would love to see a pole.

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 4 months ago

Sure doesn't take much to get people around here all excited.

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

jkealing (Jonathan Kealing) says… All— It should be made clear that this blogger is not affiliated with our staff, nor with KU's journalism program."

Nonsense, AnnaUndercover is certainly associated with the LJWorld as she is posting on the LJWorld Blogs. It is not like you have no control over, or responsibility for, the content of users blogs and/or posts on LJWorld Online, you do. You removed one of my posts on this very blog that you, Chad, the Dolph's or Dan's found offensive.

It is obvious by allowing it to remain that you approve of AnnaUndercovers blog and it is of economic value to the World Company. Your decision to allow bloggers to pander to the most base instincts of your readers in order to generate web hits and revenues is a business decision, even if AnnaUndercover isn't on the World Company payroll.

Despite your pleadings to the contrary it is on your "News" site and it reflects on you, your family, the World Company, and your employees. This is one sided view of "adult entertainment industry" without any question, challenge, or perspective. Had you assigned a reporter, or even Chad Lawhorn, to do a story on her you could have asked a few questions like, "If you are so happy being a stripper why be anonymous; or would you encourage your daughter, sister or mother to be a stripper?" At least the Jerry Springer Show approach to "Journalism" had opposing views that challenged their guests.

My move to Uverse for cable TV and Interweb service is not a vote for ATT, it is a vote against you and your decision to affiliate yourself with an anonymous stripper blog and that it is somehow a "Journalism vehicle standing up for a community" a completely absurd post hoc rationalization for little more than pimping sexual titillation to generate revenues. I would have more respect for you and Simons' family, if you simply throw away any pretext of journalistic standards and simply started a strip club. At least that is honest.

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

Whine a little more Sigmund.

Then cancel your account and stop posting, if you really feel that way.

BigPrune 5 years, 4 months ago

I won't speculate on the blogger's real name, but I have a hunch it is one of the following: Destiny, Candy, Angel, Cherry, Raven, Anastasia, Roxy, Houston, Porsche, or Crystal

I wish strippers would come up with more clever names like Diamonique or Leatherette. You get the picture.

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

jonas_opines (Anonymous) says… "Whine a little more Sigmund. Then cancel your account and stop posting, if you really feel that way."

I assure you, I "really feel that way." But if I stop posting I would miss your insightful and well reasoned "LJWorld. Love it or Leave it!" opinions. Obviously jkealing would not have met personally with AnnaUndercover nor issued his disclaimer and distanced himself from her if others hadn't raised similar concerns. I wonder after the meeting if she felt used or suddenly the need to take another shower. There are some things you can't remove no matter how hard you scrub.

Boston_Corbett 5 years, 4 months ago

"Your decision to allow bloggers to pander to the most base instincts of your readers....."


They crossed that Rubicon years ago when they snuck the Playboy channel onto Sunflower TV without Mrs. Simons Jr. finding out.

Well, that and pandering to Holocaust revisionist - race baiter Marion.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Sigmund "I wonder after the meeting if she felt used or suddenly the need to take another shower." Without meaning to sound like I'm scoffing at you, when I read this, I laughed so hard and so suddenly that I snorted.

I was so nervous the other day when I went in the buildling, but when I met with the LJ-W staffers, they were so great about sitting down and talking with me. Props to the LJWorld.com staff and the commenters that make the blogs so entertaining. :) Hope everyone is informed and, perhaps, entertained by the snippets of life as a stripper that I'm putting out there.

flyin_squirrel 5 years, 4 months ago

Sigmund,

The World Company is the largest provider of adult movies in Lawrence (see pay per view on Sunflower, HBO, Cinemax, etc...) So I don't see why this reflects any worse on the LJWorld. In fact by the number of comments, it is obviously something people are interested in. And lord forbid a newspaper only list articles/subjects people are not interested in. Anna, keep posting, as I enjoy your posts.

Mel Briscoe 5 years, 4 months ago

tubs, dude, speak for yourself. i give a flying fig for the fact miss anna is a stripper. and i assure you, i am not and never have been a stripper or ANYthing close to it! lol

i think that some strippers are victims of childhood and possibly current abuse. some strippers have some serious substance abuse problems. some strippers have very low self esteem. some strippers may do a little "side work" w/ customers to earn some extra cheddar. i have no idea if anna falls into any of these categories. if she does, god bless her and i hope she is able to pull her life together. i don't think that there are very many of the strippers who are "working their way through college"... i'm not saying that that scenario is completely fraudulent-- i'm sure someone somewhere has done that-- but i would venture to say that it is a very rare circumstance.

i also venture to say that some strippers grew up in "normal" homes-- were not sexually abused by a male relative and didn't have a junkie/alcholic mother who neglected them-- and had a pretty functional, happy childhoods. i don't think that all of them are doped up. i don't think that all of them get the crap knocked out of them by their boyfriends. i don't think that all of them hate themselves and by constantly allowing themselves to be objectified, increase the self-loathing. i don't think that all of them are sad, self-destructive people.

i just hope that anna falls in the latter grouping of people described, rather than the former. i wish her much success in her endeavors. i don't neccessarily think she should "get out of stripping" because i don't know her, i don't know her individual situation or set of circumstances, and i am not personally prepared to pay her bills if she quits stripping so i am definitely not going to advise her to stop the cash flow (in fact, she could probably loan ME some money-- i'm the one whose broke!).

jonas_opines 5 years, 4 months ago

"But if I stop posting I would miss your insightful and well reasoned “LJWorld. Love it or Leave it!” opinions."

It's perfectly well-reasoned. Anyone can see the hypocrisy in saying that this filth is causing them to do business with a competitor, all the while continuing to post on their site. You might as well go to a strip club and give the strippers tracts on the evils of their jobs by tucking it into their g-strings.

I merely thought you'd prefer not to be a hypocrite.

Linda Aikins 5 years, 4 months ago

Why did you feel the need to go into the LJW offices? And JK, did you take notes on your lapdance, er I mean laptop? :)

somedude20 5 years, 4 months ago

Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light Those days are over You don't have to sell your body to the night Roxanne, you don't have to wear that dress tonight Walk the streets for money You don't care if it's wrong or if it's right

Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light Put on the red light, put on the red light Put on the red light, put on the red light Put on the red light, oh

I loved you since I knew ya I wouldn't talk down to ya I have to tell you just how I feel I won't share you with another boy I know my mind is made up So put away your make up Told you once I won't tell you again it's a bad way

Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light Roxanne, you don't have to put on the red light You don't have to put on the red light Put on the red light, put on the red light

kmat 5 years, 4 months ago

If you think stripping is the best thing ever, then why do you have a day job? Why not just be a stripper since regular work sucks? And since you work at this nasty *ss place, are you also a prostitute like so many of the "dancers"? My friend quit bouncing there over a year ago, but said he didn't know a single dancer that wasn't also "selling it" to the clientel. That's what the Outhouse is now known for.

I've always loved my husband's thoughts on strip clubs - just a place full of desperate guys paying big bucks to just get teased and get a hard on.

It saddens me so much that a place that was so fcking awesome back in the day is now a cheap whore house. I saw so many great shows there. And people thought it was a sht hole then. HA! For those not very familiar for why the Outhouse used to be great, here's a good article from a few years ago. http://www.lawrence.com/news/2003/feb...

Kash_Encarri 5 years, 4 months ago

I don't see where she says her regular work sucks, just that it's more volunteer style. Nothing wrong with that is there?

Maybe she's using her better than KU education to empower those ladies she dances with, or educate them about how to stand up to those abusive boyfriends/husbands/pimps.

I'm like others that have posted and a bit skeptical of the whole story, despite JK's cryptic message, some things just don't seem to flow together. Kind of like the school teacher who strips at night in Varsity Blues, there's a disconnect that doesn't seem to work here, but it is an entertaining read.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

Kash, if she were using her KU education to educate other dancers, that would be great! Making the world a better place, one stripper at a time.

greenworld 5 years, 4 months ago

Why dont you go stand on a street corner and I think you will profit slightly better.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

Oh lord. Sorry I havent gotten back to you bashers sooner, I have this thing called a life which keeps me from spending every waking second on the internet. (To the non-bashers, this doesnt include you).

@Tubs_of_love - Just because someone does something they once thought of to be "humiliating" does not make them a hypocrite. It means that like you people currently are, she once was ignorant about dancing. She had misconceptions about the industry, just like the general population, that were remedied by experience. Knowledge cures ignorance, strange concept - I know! The "thing" thats in a dancers mind that makes us think its a good idea is very simple, as a matter of fact its just one phrase - coined by the Army. "Dont work harder, work smarter". We chose to work a job that, while it can be mentally taxing (at times) and physically tiring - pays excellent money for minimal time spent. You wont be convincing any dancers to go work at McDonalds or some crap minimum wage job, so you might as well take your very spirited banter on to another blog.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Brandy_is_guilty - Can you comprehend words written on a computer screen? The fact that dancing is a REAL JOB is not a matter of "personal opinion", it is a FACT. Just because you have a moral issue with it, does not make it any less of a real job. Let me again reiterate this: Having moral qualms with someones choice of work does not mean it isnt a real job. As for prostitution, it also is a real job whether you or anyone else likes it or not - remember there are places in the United States were the "worlds oldest profession" is LEGAL. But regardless, that has absolutely nothing to do with dancing as they are completely different entities and have nothing to do with this blog. Also, I didnt "call you names" - I said you were ignorant, which is a matter of opinion but isnt actually considered "name calling". How can any self-respecting female look at themselves in the mirror while doing this type of work? Quite easily. We are surrounded by mirrors! Haha! In all seriousness, I cant answer that question for all of the dancers in the world. Refer to my previous post. (We are not a part of a stripper collective, we arent of a hive-mind mentality) I can only answer for myself, I do not judge anyone nor myself based on what they do as a job. Dancing is a job like any other job, people may not morally agree with it but that is their issue - not mine. There are many jobs that people may not morally agree with but that doesnt make them bad people, and I am not one who can judge them (neither are you or anyone else). Abortion doctors, criminal defense lawyers, Tobacco company's, stem cell researchers etc.... And yes I said "refer to my previous comments"! Because I already answered/addressed everything you asked/said in my - wait for it - my previous comments!! I make plenty of valid points, but you are trying to argue semantics and your personal opinion by passing them off as facts, when in all actuality they are not facts at all. You do know the difference between "personal opinion" and "facts" right? Just checking. When did anyone say that you "forced Anna to get on a stage basically naked and take money from drunken idiots"? Or that it was your fault that that "Anna is getting paid next to nothing by a Non-Profit Organization"? Arent we just the "Ferrous Cranus" (You may Google that). No one said that, its quite obvious its HER choice and she seems damn happy about it! I am sorry you have friends who are only making $8 an hour, though I hardly see the point in that as its irrelevant in this conversation. (Maybe they should go to their local strip joint!) I have friends who make $8 an hour too, do I get a cookie?

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Brandy_is_guilty - ....Continued.... In closing, you may not be "giving Anna any of you money anytime soon" but for an internet stalker, you sure do give her a lot of attention. If you have such an issue with dancing, why continue to visit this blog? Because some sexually abused, pimped out, drug addicted stripper (haha! As if!) is calling you on your ignorance? By your logic, I am a second hand citizen and it shouldnt matter right? And since you are so judgmental about dancing, I am sure you have some philanthropic job, maybe something like working at a non-profit organization? Or maybe you could just stop constantly PM'ing Anna....that would be a start.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

I pity the fool who gets in Madison's way! :) ::hug::

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

To everyone: I'll be posting on Monday, I think. :) I might have another post for Wednesday for you, but it depends on some things.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

Looking forward to seeing you.... oops, i mean reading your next blog!

http://www.theriddlegroup.com/blog/uploaded_images/Wink-798910.jpg

(just another old dog)

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

I'm a dancer as well. I know for a fact that Anna is who she says she is because I have worked with her before. She is a very sharp lady and doesn't do drugs. I'm not a drug addict or an alcoholic, I had a wonderful childhood, no abuse. Dancing is a job, just like any other job. I enjoy it. Just because YOU think it is morally wrong or it leaves a bad taste in YOUR mouth, doesn't mean it IS wrong. Keep blogging Anna. I think the majority of intelligent people will enjoy your posts and recognize them for the pieces of truth they are.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

Yes, most intelligent people LOVE to hear from strippers or am I just getting intelligent people confused with drunk, obnoxious men? I suppose stripping IS a little better than working at McDonalds though.

It is true that you are not a whore if you are a stripper, however you are an attention whore, "hey everybody, look at me and my body". Although you gals doing the posting on here do seem like you got some smarts, using your looks isn't using real skill. What people mean when they say stripping isn't a real job, is it involves no real skill, nothing any other employer wants to see on paper. Your parents have probably said this to you before, "Honey, I just want to see you try harder".

I enjoy giving you a hard time. I'm a pretty big jerk, I know, and even though I DO understand what you are saying, I just can't bring myself to praise a stripper.

sheshapes 5 years, 4 months ago

I think that the blogger has definite writing skills and for that I give her credit.

What I would love to see addressed in future blogs is perhaps a more macro explanation as to why stripping can be empowering for women in general. At an individual level, I can see that Anna finds it financially empowering, and for some reason or another, finds it emotionally empowering as well. However, does she have any concerns about validating negative beliefs about what women are good for in this world? Or what their options are when the financial chips are down? Does it really come down to an objectified exchange of body for money when nothing else is panning out (whether through stripping, prostitution or coupling for security reasons)? I have no judgments about strippers as people, but I do think that there are plenty of women who end up doing what they do because they feel trapped and as if they have no other options. Did it start out that way for Anna?

Mike Blur 5 years, 4 months ago

kmat said: "It saddens me so much that a place that was so fcking awesome back in the day is now a cheap whore house. I saw so many great shows there. And people thought it was a sht hole then. HA! "

Yeah, like Lisa Suckdog peeing into a cat litter box on the Outhouse stage c. 1990 was such a classy act. (I'm not against it, I'm just saying....) Too bad GG Allin was too smacked out to ever play there, or we'd all have something to tell our grandkids about.

(I think Fortier still owes me $5 from the last time GG canceled/was incapable of playing at the Outhouse.)

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Tubs_of_love - It doesnt require any skill? Ever heard of a little something called "sales"? Stripping is much more about the art of sales than it is about looks and your body. Yes any hot, thin, big boobed blonde bimbo can make some money but without proper sales skills she wont make nearly as much as someone who knows how to sell! And to clear the air on one other thing, we are not "attention whores", we are making money. Attention whores are bar-sexual sorostitutes, chicks on "Girls gone wild", most girls on FB and Myspace - they are doing it for attention - we are doing it for MONEY. BIG difference. I think the world be be a less judgmental place if some intelligent people actually DID listen to what INTELLIGENT dancers had to say, but I certainly dont require your "praise".

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

@Maddie_M- why don't you put your "sales" on a resume and we'll see just how much skill it takes to get the job. I'll bet the resume with the McDonalds job does a lot better. Since when did "sales" have anything to do with being a player? If you have a good body, selling it is not hard considering whom you are selling to (fat, lonely, depraved, old, drunk, desperate, blah, blah and blah). Why don't you try selling someone something they don't already want. People that don't want something do not flock to whatever store that carries that something and buy it. YOUR JOB IS EASY. YOU ARE NOT IN SALES. Any hot, thin, blonde bimbo will "out sell you".

You are not attention whores? What is this blog? Do you really think that anyone really cares about you? Seriously, do you honestly think you are changing anything, or anyones mind? What do you contribute to society? NOTHING.

For having such a life, you sure do have A LOT of posts up, it's pretty nice of you to back up your friend as much as you do while still having an awesome stripper life. Have fun changing the world with all of your super intelligent, non-judgmental, stripper MONEY$$$$$$!

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

flyin_squirrel (Anonymous) says… Sigmund, The World Company is the largest provider of adult movies in Lawrence (see pay per view on Sunflower, HBO, Cinemax, etc…) So I don't see why this reflects any worse on the LJWorld. In fact by the number of comments, it is obviously something people are interested in."

Because the World Company's other divisions, Sunflower Cable/Broadband, do not pretend to be news organizations. I have no problem with strippers (as long as I don't have to personally deal with all the drama in their lives or their daddy issues) nor with the distribution of legal X-rated content.

It is not as if there is a lack of information about strippers on the Interwebs. A quick Google search returned 8,970,000 hits for "strippers" in 0.08 seconds. That should provide you and the others more than enough content to satisfy your voyeuristic urges, although the World Company won't make a dime off of it unless you have gone over your bandwidth allocation. This isn't some important subject completely ignored, a void that Kealing and the Simons feel the need to fill. It is what it is, a lowering of LJWorld's journalistic standards (snort) and a willingness to exploit the tawdry for much needed web hits and revenues. Best of all the Dan's and Dolph's found a exhibitionist willing to bare all for free so they can keep their $20 bills in that big bulge in the back of their pants.

What really irks me is the pretending, or self delusion, that a featured stripper blog on the LJWorld somehow doesn't reflect on the Simons, the World Company, or their employees. When you play in the gutter it is difficult to clean off the scum, no matter how hard you scrub. It is like claiming you are buying Penthouse for the articles, a whore calling themselves a "Personal Service Representative", or Chad Lawhorn calling himself a journalist; it just doesn't pass the laugh or the smell test.

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

@tubs Actually at Anna's place of employment there are more college guys and men in the service who frequent it as customers. There are a few middle aged men but nothing as nasty as what you see in a regular bar. This place has the hottest selection of girls as well. I think the bouncers that work there tend to be more untrustworthy than the girls could ever be. I have seen them pocket wallets and steal from the girls! I would venture to say that most red blooded, heterosexual men do not have a problem with those of us who take our clothes off for a living. If you are a male who doesn't enjoy seeing the female figure in its entirety, well...you are definitely a grain of sand on a rather large beach.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@tubs_of_love The comparisons you've made between sales at a strip club and sales at McDonald's suggest that you have no direct familiarity with local strip clubs. Also, speaking generally about "bimbos" is not specific enough. Perhaps, after a little empirical research, you can offer us a clearer, more informed opinion.

...and for all the animosity you seem to harbor toward strippers, the way you are attacking Madison does suggest that she got to you! Hang in there! It's just the Internet. :)

@Maddie_M You're slaying them left and right. To battle! :)

@Zilla Yo! Loved your "grain of sand" comment. Definitely applies.

sheshapes 5 years, 4 months ago

I still think it's sad that the woman's body continues to be advertised as their most prized commodity - and consequently perceived as such. It bothers me a bit that Anna, in her exuberance, promotes the thing that bothers me the most (although I like her writing). Is that the only currency we have, ladies? If so, we are doomed. It's all fleeting, even if we have it in the first place.

As far as the topic of the blog is concerned - very banal however you try to spin the story.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

@AnnaUndercover I wasn't talking about the sales at McDonalds, I was talking about sales in general. I DID however say that McDonalds looks better on a resume. Also, I wouldn't say that Madison got me. If that were true, my mind would be forever change about stripping. At no point in this discussion, have I not had anything to follow up with. Oh, and thanks for the heads up, the internet is scary.

@Zilla I've been to The Outhouse and I've been to All Stars and sure, any heterosexual man likes a woman's body, but there's a woman's body and then there's a woman. Does that make sense? Maybe I am a grain of sand on a rather large beach, but then again, those men don't take you seriously.

I do not frequent strip joints very much at all and here's why, I can not stand getting attacked by money hungry girls. It's like going to a restaurant and getting food thrown at you as soon as you walk in the door. But this really has nothing to do with why I don't like you. Hey, that rhymed!

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

@tubs I don't take you seriously and you're not a stripper. There are women and there are women with nice bodies and an intellect that helps us make vast amounts of cash. I'm really not seeing the problem here... @sheshapes Life is short. If you have it, use it. If you don't have it, stop acting lofty. You would if you could but you can't so...you know the rest of this little saying I'm sure. Everyone uses their assets to get what they want. EVERYONE. Be it money, brains, bodies, nice hair, pretty eyes. etc. You're marketing yourself constantly. Even if you're not aware of it.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Tubs_of_love - I know reading and comprehension dont go hand in hand here LJW but before you go spouting off maybe you should check your specs. Wow, I can rhyme too! Had you read before you let your fingers continue to dig yourself a deeper hole, you would have already known that I dont dance anymore. I dont have to worry about what I am gonna put on my resume, because I dont have to work :) As of Winter 2010 I will be enrolled in college and I absolutely will be going back to dancing depending on what financial aid I can or can not receive. Now what did YOU say you did for a living? Hahaha! How is dancing NOT sales? Do you need some help with that definition? Here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales How is it that someone who does not frequent strip clubs seems to think they are the authority on them? Why listen to someone who has done the job, worked the industry and has all the insight? Youre totally right! Dancing has nothing to do with sales, all the men come into the club intending to dump hundreds of dollars on us! Our personality, intellect, ability to read customers, combined with our good looks makes us the ultimate selling machine. By your own words we arent in sales because the people are already coming into the club with the intention of spending money so we play no role in that. This is half-true, but not all the people come into clubs with the intention of doing anything besides have a beer after work and look at hot girls half naked. So, let me take this moment to blow your mind, and dont worry - this one is on me! Continued of course.....

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

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tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

@Maddie_M - This up here^^^, is trying way to hard. I'm just glad we have all you strippers around to cure world ignorance.

I'm surprised that no one has replied to sheshapes. Maybe it's because she is absolutely right.

Also, it's the people that call themselves intelligent, that actually aren't. It's just like the people that call themselves cool.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

Opps! I just realized Zilla tried to replied. I'm sorry, my eyes tend to skip over things that don't make sense.

@Zilla - You said "Your marketing yourself constantly, even if your not aware of it". Thats true, but why not take it a step further and make yourself look bad. Thats the bottom line, you strippers look bad and are oblivious to it.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

@Tubs_of_love - I never spoke of my own intelligence, just your lack there of. And I dont feel the need to reply to sheshapes because I dont agree with her way of thinking and like you said, there is no changing anyones mind. My deleted point was that with everything you post your ignorance shows. You dont know me or Anna as people, you see "strippers", and thats pathetic and sad. I will say AGAIN, for the last time, neither you or anyone else is in the position to judge anyone else.

Maddie_M 5 years, 4 months ago

Hahaha! Strippers look bad! (To the bible-thumping, republican, ignorant masses!) I say, to hell with what you think, I will be smiling all the way to the bank! I feel bad for all you judgmental folks, you are obviously very bitter and hate your own lives to the point that you have to attempt to belittle others to feel better about yourselves. Im sorry I was born with superior genetics and use that to my advantage (as zilla stated, we all do) but I dont judge other people based on uninformed and truly ignorant thoughts. As for now, I hope you are enjoying your Monday - at work - while I sit on my couch and read my book...feels good to not have to worry about money....oh how awful it is to be a stripper!

kmat 5 years, 4 months ago

This is getting funny watching strippers try to justify their jobs. You want respect and want people to not look down at you - go do a job that requires more than just having a cooter and a rack and become successful at that. Anyone with the female anatomy can become a stripper or a whore.

Anna still won't answer my question from days ago - are you also selling it like the other strippers out there? That's what the Outhouse really sells and everyone in this town knows it. There's a reason why all you girls work at the club that is just outside of city limits and therefor the LPD can't bust you.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

Seems the question Big Prune asked earlier about whether the strippers claimed all their income has never been addressed, of course that is nobodies business. Oh, wait. It is somebodies business....

http://dealbreaker.com/2009/08/31/IRS_logo.jpg

Of course, they wouldn't read a blog like this. Would they?.....

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@kmat I posted my next blog entry ahead of your comment timestamped 4:51pm. I included two Gmail conversations that did not paste well, so I also posted the entry here for easier reading:

http://annaundercover.wordpress.com

I got a little self-conscious because of the number of people reading, so there's three sections: one where we're discussing what to post, one in which I'm all insecure about what I'm posting, and then the actual post. They're separated by bars. Read as you wish.

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

@tubs Of course it wouldn't make sense to you. It seems not much does.

sheshapes 5 years, 4 months ago

Wow, so people won't respond to my comment because they don't agree with my way of thinking? What exactly is my way of thinking and how was that derived from one short comment in response to a blog?

I was merely attempting to engage in the conversation by asking a question that had been nagging at me - I wasn't attempting to promote any specific way of thinking. I didn't even ask for a response via comments but thought it might be a point that could be addressed in the next blog.

I must have somehow touched on a soft spot and elicited some defensiveness. I want to reiterate that I have no judgments toward strippers, and if you're happy on an individual level, then good for you. But I still think that on a macro level, it was a good question worthy of consideration.

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

@kmat Exactly what are we trying to justify? Which aspect of the job are you referring to? The amount of money we make? Or the amount of money we pay out to lease the space that we work in each night. WHICH I might add is more than someone who gets a pay check pays out to the IRS. @RoeDapple And who said that strippers don't report their income? Should we all quit working, maybe get on welfare so YOUR hard earned tax dollars can be spent on us anyway? Your opinion has no bearing on us. Our earnings or our self images. I have no problem with either.

RoeDapple 5 years, 4 months ago

Ha! You're the one getting angry here, I'm sitting back enjoying the performance and it doesn't cost me one dollar in tips for you to show your a$$....

http://newyorkoutdoors.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mooned.jpg

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

Actually I'm completely unruffled. Just answering your question and asking one of my own.

sheshapes 5 years, 4 months ago

Wow, so it's either stripping or welfare? That really makes my original point that many women feel as if their choices are limited when the financial chips are down.

Zilla 5 years, 4 months ago

@sheshapes Nah, it doesn't have to be welfare. I was just sayin'... I could get a job doing whatever I want. I CHOOSE to be a dancer. The fact that we, as women can CHOOSE to do whatever we want with our bodies is pretty kick as. Wouldn't you agree? Financial chips are definitely not "down". I work 2 nights a week and I not only survive on that, I do what I want, when I want at my leisure. What a horrible career choice I have made eh? I also donate money and clothes to organizations for the homeless and am guilty of giving a few bucks to the people that play instruments on Mass st. or the occasional down on their luck person. I'm such a douche nozzle. winks*

sheshapes 5 years, 4 months ago

Zilla, I never once implied that strippers are "douche nozzles". Can we at least get that straight? Your comments come off as incredibly defensive - there are people who are just trying to have a dialogue. You don't have to lay out your charity resume, I get it. Strippers are good people and unfairly stereotyped.

Painting everyone and anyone - who challenges this idea that stripping is all roses and rainbows and empowering to women in general - as merely closed off judgmental jerks does not help with the dialogue.

I see that you were trying to make a point, but you sure did present an either or scenario, so I took the opportunity to direct you back to my original point. True enough that it is pretty great that women have free choice to do what makes them happy. And good on you that you are happy doing what you want to do. What I am trying to convey is that in reality, many times women don't feel as if they have many choices in life when the financial chips are down and often turn to this industry because of this fact. In fact, Anna's blog insinuates that her financial chips were indeed down when she got into the industry, and she even thought it would be horrible and went in with strong reservations. And then your comment that it's either stripping or welfare just further confirmed for me that the point needs further consideration.

Overtherainbow 5 years, 4 months ago

I keep considering Anna's potential career in writing. Journalism may not be a good fit. But there are plenty of literary opportunities out there. Fiction? Semifictionalized journal writing?

For starters, you might consider writing for The New Yorker. I understand that they have a place on their webpage for sex journals. I don't see why stripping couldn't qualify. Then you can say that you actually wrote for The New Yorker.

Fiction? Men and women read entirely different sex-related materials. Women read "bodice busters" that include sexuality, but are really at least as much about relational dynamics. Translation: the man comes around to the woman's point of view. Usually a nice fiction that doesn't correspond well with reality.

Men read "zipper rippers" that concentrate attention between the waistline and the knees, usually closer to the former than to the latter. Relationship ends when the act is done. Curtain call!

Surprise that men and women don't read the same sex-related fiction. You might do well writing zipper rippers, given that you are routinely exposed to men's sexual fantasies.

tubs_of_love 5 years, 4 months ago

I'll admit, I am a bit judgmental, but one thing I'm not is religious, or republican, but whatever, I've overdone this. Your right, I'm wrong, agree to disagree. Have a nice life. Good bye. Peace out. Good riddance. tubs_of_love signing out.

AnnaUndercover 5 years, 4 months ago

@Overtherainbow I bestow thee with the 'raised eyebrow' award for your most recent comment, but the last thing you said made me chuckle. (Also, I believe it's actually 'bodice rippers').

Re: exposure to men's sexual fantasies: Men's sexual fantasies rule the media. I'll stop there, because after years of well meaning teachers, female role models, and progressive male professors, I am so, so sick of discussing how our culture is saturated with information about male sex fantasies. In 'my' world, you must actually travel to a strip club and go inside it before you are exposed to the 'fantasies' within. :P

If you have a pulse, you are some man's ultimate fantasy. If there's anything I've learned about this job, it's that men love everything about women. Everything. It's at once horrifying, amusing, and relieving. Lol. I think I'll post about that.

Overtherainbow 5 years, 4 months ago

@Anna: I haven't actually been in a strip club AKA ballet studio for many years. We don't have any where I live now.

RE male fantasies: There is a particular fantasy that is found in strip clubs and in very few other places. Call it the "zero effort, zero involvement" fantasy. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the tease. What isn't there to like? Maybe the tease is actually mutual. Why not tease the women a little? They tease us. A mutual game.

Suck up a few beers. Kiss the beer bottle. Tip a couple of dancers. Go home to a good night's sleep. And all for less than the cost of a respectable date. And with nobody accusing you of not calling later. You don't even need to remember the phone number of the club.

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