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Humane Society cracks down on animal fighting

By Mark Boyle · March 24, 2009 · Comment on this

The Humane Society is hoping to put an end to animal fighting, which is happening all across the state.

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kmat 5 years ago

Commentator - I was only responding to your very ignorant post. Since you are so sure that pits are going to kill everyone's babies, someone had to correct you. Maybe your vet sucks (there is one really bad vet in town that really doesn't even like animals and oftentimes says to kill them vs treating them when they're ill, probably who you're listening to). Most vets and educated people know that it isn't the breed of dog, it's how they are raised. Now you are just upset that professionals in the field are also trying to explain to you that you are not educated on this subject.

Jonas - sorry, I wasn't an English major like you and don't word everything eloquently. My emotions come through when dealing with people like confrontation.

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commentator_on_the_axe 5 years, 1 month ago

From the looks of this thread alone, I'm far from being the only person who thinks vicious dog breeds are unnecessary. I would say I'm in the majority. And if I couldn't say that about vet's comments on the breed without many personal observations, I would not have said it.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

"BTW, I stand by my comments about what vets say about pits say about them, and their owners."

Fools usually stand by what they say, no matter what changes. Regardless of kmat's personality (and there's some truth to your claim) all this makes you is no better, particularly when it's you backing the ignorant position. I guess it's good your satisfied with that.

jaywalker: I can't say I vigilantly hunt them, but when I see something idiotic, from a profile that's only recently been established, I can't help but create the usual suspects in my head. The 4 or 5 all have fairly consistent voices.

Sometimes we get new yahoos, but only rarely.

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madmike 5 years, 1 month ago

WHY is an obvious PETA freak, tryin to compare eating a steak with dog fighting. That is how those PETA lunatics operate.

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commentator_on_the_axe 5 years, 1 month ago

Hallelujah. A vet tech comes on board. So, you get your certificate, work with people for 20+ years, yet you can't tell went someone is just giving kmat back what she dishes out to others all the time? BTW, I stand by my comments about what vets say about pits say about them, and their owners.

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jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

jonas: Huh, I never considered that. I've gotta admit I'm not that vigilant in searching out the return of banned posters, I just fell back on one that always seemed to post inflammatory stuff just to stir the pot. Perhaps it's ese?

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

jaywalker: I suppose he could have two profiles, but ArumerZwarteHoop is already a prime candidate for Invictus's new ID.

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terrapin2 5 years, 1 month ago

Commentator-I am a Registered Vet Tech with 20+ years experience and you are just an idiot. Kmat is spot on. I am way more concerned about small dogs kicking my ass than any pit bull. There are bad pits out there for sure, but it's their selfish, disgusting, owners that make them that way. And, frankly, we don't see the bad dogs at the vet as those owners don't really care about their dogs. An owner standing in the lobby struggling with their strong dog? No way! Happens on a daily basis with every breed of dog there is. It's because the owners have no control over their pets and didn't train them. Not their breed. And yes, we may say things about them when they leave, but it is disparaging comments about the owner's inability to properly care for and train their dog, not comments about the dog. If we ever see neglect, abuse, etc... we contact the authorities and have the animal removed from the owner immediately. Unless you are better informed, maybe you should keep your comments to yourself.

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Angela Heili 5 years, 1 month ago

Unfortunately for Pit Bulls, it's not the breed, or the dog that fights, but the human that puts them up to it. All dogs will fight if forced to defend themselves. It doesn't matter what breed, they will all defend themselves. But because pit bulls are hugely muscled, and very strong, their bite included, and their breeding is such that they are very protective, they are singled out to use as fighting dogs.

We used to raise Jack Russell Terriers and there are some badly bred Jacks out there that will fight just as ferociously as a Pit Bull Terrier. I have had the displeasure of having to break up several fights between Jacks. One of which was a male that we sent back to the breeder because he was so bad, he would try to jump out of my arms to attack another dog.

As a dog trainer, I can tell you that dog aggression is not a breed, or dog problem, it's a human problem. Dog aggression is created because of the lack of proper exercise, direction, discipline, and affection given at the appropriate times. Unbalanced dogs become aggressive dogs, no matter what the breed. It is also a human problem as people specifically breed dogs prone to being more dominant and with the potential of being aggressive. They don't try to stay away from lines that are proven to be calm.

I have worked with Pit Bull Terriers that were more interested in knocking me down to give me tons of kisses, than to fight with me or anyone else.

The sad thing with Pits that have been conditioned to be aggressive, is once they are that way, it takes a LOT of untraining to help them overcome that. And in a lot of cases, there just aren't people around that are able to do that, myself included.

It takes someone with tons of time, energy, and a facility to house these dogs. Someone who can devote time every single day to working and loving these dogs and showing them how to properly interact with other dogs and society.

Dogs aren't born knowing how to interact, they are taught, either by their biological mother, or by the human who has adopted them.

As there are people who are well behaved, and not so well behaved, their dogs will be also.

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kmat 5 years, 1 month ago

Hey commentator - the vet is a life long friend. She knows a lot more than your moronic ass does. She loves pitts. She does recommend them to people who like larger, loving family dogs. And we discussed this last night as she had a couple drinks at my house.

You are only capable of spewing bullsh*t and for some reason hate dogs. I pity you. Maybe you have no friends. Maybe you're such a vile person even dogs don't like you. So sad. Go crawl back into your little world of hatred.

You still need a kiss from my pitt mix. But, I'm sure he has higher standards than to kiss the likes of you.

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commentator_on_the_axe 5 years, 1 month ago

Hate do dispute you there RoeDapple, but they truly don't know what type of bull terrier Petey was. You can find just as many sites listing him as what ever similar breed the person is promoting.

A Google search of 'list of attacks by pit bulls' lists 1, 280,000 sites. Including ones where they try to explain away the dog's fault in the matter by the irresponsibility of the owner. ie:It's the woman's fault the dog attacked her nursing baby! Yes, I'm sure, the wonderful dog was sound asleep dreaming of flowering meadows and pretty butterflies, paying no mind to them all. Then the woman called it over and demanded it attack her baby at breast.

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jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

After reading navajojoes' comments I'm thinking invictus is back.

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jaywalker 5 years, 1 month ago

Holy smokes! I thought there might be a couple questionable posts on this string but for the love....... I'm also surprised the comments are only focused on pit bull fights, though the Vick saga and the attached video do pigeon hole it. When I lived in Larry I was aware of alot of cock fighting going on, and dog fighting was by no means limited to pits. Blew the whistle on one ring I knew of and the police confiscated shepherds, rotts, dobermans, snakes, and even two chimps! Animal fighting is despicable, if ya like it move to Bangkok.

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navajojoe 5 years, 1 month ago

How could dog bite girl if dog sleeping on couch?

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think_about_it 5 years, 1 month ago

Pit bulls are a worthless breed for anything besides fighting. Since fighting is no longer legal the breed should be eliminated.

I had a friend in Kentucky that used to have a brindle female that she always bragged about how submissive and loyal it was, until it bit her little girls jaw to the bone while she was asleep on the couch.

If you let kids around a pit bull you are nothing but stupid.

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commentator_on_the_axe 5 years, 1 month ago

Poor kmat believes that vet she pays to care for her beast is her friend who likes her pit. Patronization is not approval dear. Does he own a pit? Does he recommend them as pets to all his clients? Perhaps you should hear what vets say AFTER the pit owner leaves the building and it's only the employees or their REAL friends.

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supernik 5 years, 1 month ago

i have to admit i find pitts to be the best companions ever! i dont even have one but i know people who do, they are the most trustworthy, happy go lucky, sweet, dogs ever!! human encouraged animal fighting is wrong no matter, toaster, microwave, dog, cat, rooster, hamster, whatever...

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navajojoe 5 years, 1 month ago

People who are cruel to animals, are cruel to people. People who poison the population with drugs, or have illegal weapons and use them against others, are cruel. We do not need these people around if we are going to live as a peaceful society.

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jonas_opines 5 years, 1 month ago

Wow, this article really brought the troglodites out in full force.

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maxcrabb 5 years, 1 month ago

With only 3 comments, Navajojoe certainly has painted a wide portrait of himself.

From the 14th and Ohio shootings article,

"navajojoe (Anonymous) says… You have tormented my people for hundreds of years. Now you are turing that anger on each other. Will only lead to violence, hatred and death. We need to practice peace and live together as one people."

So... hard to care what he says when he wants to completely kill off an entire section of dog owners based on stereotypes, and then turn around and have a group hug.

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BrianR 5 years, 1 month ago

In ths post, I will address all of the facts in navajojoe's post.

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Larry_The_Moocher 5 years, 1 month ago

I saw a pit puppy and its owner at the pet store the other night and the first thing I thought was... LOOSER!

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navajojoe 5 years, 1 month ago

I believe that all pit bulls and pit bull owners should be killed. Pit Bulls are vicious and murderers, the owners are all drug dealers, gang bangers, or both.

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kmat 5 years, 1 month ago

commentator - you are just sick. Go shove it where the sun don't shine.

I am friends with a vet in town. Many dogs, including little dogs, have to be restrained while at the vets. In fact, they get hurt by little dogs and cats more. Some people have to restrain their children at the doctors office. It is a strange place and even the best controlled animal or child may experience fright when at the doctors.

Once again, shove it. You are uneducated and are just proving it with your ignorant posts.

And I still say you need to get a big smooch from a pit bull, even though you are mean and ignorant.

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Edward Coan 5 years, 1 month ago

2Fat4You: You are kidding, right? If one of your dogs severally injures or kills someone, then you need to be charged with criminal assault or murder. If you are using your dogs to bite people, then you need to be arrested and have the dogs put down. In a lot of places throughout the country pitbulls are illegal to own. Needs to be a nation-wide ban...Shooting your dog(s) in head and killing them is too late. The attack on the person has already occurred and can't be reversed. I am thinking about owning a gun just so I have a weapon to defend myself from a pitbull.

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MeAndFannieLou 5 years, 1 month ago

Pets are indeed "property," but some forms of property you have more responsibility for than others. You have legal responsibility to maintain a house, for example, and, if you want to operate it on public streets, a vehicle.

You may, however, abuse your toaster all you want.

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totallyanonymousdick 5 years, 1 month ago

I have to agree with the previous post that was removed saying that pit bulls are a worthless breed and should be eradicated, along with their crackhead gangbanger owners. I've never met a pit bull that deserved to live or a pit bull owner that wasn't a crackhead punk or a prostitute.

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commentator_on_the_axe 5 years, 1 month ago

kmat (Anonymous) says…

Shut up commentator. You are ill informed. My pit mix needs to give you a huge kiss.

kmat, Are you related to that woman who owned the chimp that tore off her friend's face, hands and left her brain damaged? The chimp used to kiss her too. She even kept it around after it bit someone.

They should make a documentary of all the parents who own dangerous animals. Include advocates for the breed, and those who had ones who 'were just so precious and would never hurt a fly", then it kills or maims someone. I really love those owners that still defend and want to protect the animal that killed their own child. Lovely intelligent people, I do so hope they bear spawn.

By the way, have you observed the typical female pit bull owner while transporting her dog or dogs to the veterinary office? They will have the animal on lease and then try to stand and talk to the Veterinarian while the animal jerks them around, or with their body bent over trying to control the lunging dog by the collar that is pulling them over with their strength. And on the table, it's not much better. In any case, it's clear the owner has no control over the animal when the animal decides it wants what it wants.

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rorik23 5 years, 1 month ago

Dogs involved in dogfighting are trained to be aggressive (usually through abusive means to invoke anger and aggression in the dog). What you see in a dogfighting video isn't because of natural instinct in the dogs.

Cats out fighting in the street is not comparable. Feral cats are territorial. Dogfighting dogs aren't fighting for territorial reasons.

Cattle for slaughter aren't (generally) bitten and torn apart for minutes on end before they bleed to death. I don't see the link between dogfighting and eating meat.

Your toaster and your microwave don't have a central nervous system, and I doubt if I dropkick your toaster it's going to feel anything. But if you can get your toaster and your microwave to fight each other, I'd love to see it.

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littlelawrencian 5 years, 1 month ago

I just remember a couple of little boston terriers that were left under a house to die. They were used as bait for the dog fighters to get their dogs riled up with. They survived the ordeal because someone found them under the abandoned house and after much $$$$ in donations the Boston Terrier Rescue Group was able to save them and find them a good home.
Anyone who can possibly condone dog fighting needs to take a step back and realize they ARE NOT naturally fighters. They are bred to be fighters, abused, starved, fed gunpowder, treated horribly. Wouldn't you want to fight after going through all that? My mom even discovered a dead dog in her rental property that had been left dead and the tenants had moved out in the night. The FBI asked her to allow them to look inside the apt. and that is what she found. She was so upset about it, we had seen the dog as a pup with a muzzle on it and had no way to know it was going to be used for fighting. What an education we got! I hope you all are forgiven one day for what you have condoned, but it won't be me forgiving you!

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madameX 5 years, 1 month ago

WHY (Anonymous) says…

Dogs are property and legally no different than a toaster. If I want my toaster to fight my microwave it is my property and I will destroy it if I want.


I really don't think this is true. There are laws against animal cruelty, but as far as I know there are no laws against toaster/microwave cruelty, which leads me to believe that legally the two are not the same.

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2fat4u 5 years, 1 month ago

I train all of my pit bulls to bite people, not other dogs. If one of my dogs bit another dog or a person it was not supposed to, I would get out my gun, take the dog to the backyard and shoot it in the head. However, over the past 10 years or so my dogs have only bitten when they were supposed to. I don't need no damn PETA seminar.

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Peace_be_with_you 5 years, 1 month ago

They really have a time when one of my daughters ties a steak around her neck and runs about the yard.....until the dog catches the steak. Then it gets rather messy.

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kmat 5 years, 1 month ago

Shut up commentator. You are ill informed. My pit mix needs to give you a huge kiss.

Lawrence guy - you are also ill informed. Two pits don't naturally just fight each other. They are provoked to do so. Two cats fighting is totally normal. Cats aren't pack animals unless trained to be and fight over territory. Dogs are pack animals and don't naturally attack others like that.

Vicks pits are at the Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in UT and have become sweet dogs. Once removed from fighting and treated fairly, they became lap dogs. Imagine that.

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RoeDapple 5 years, 1 month ago

Bursting, I agree, but your dogs don't sell newspapers......

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Peace_be_with_you 5 years, 1 month ago

I am also a responsible pit bull owner. I will never have any other breed. they are the sweetest dogs ever. My kids love her, and she loves my kids.

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Bursting 5 years, 1 month ago

I'm a responsible pit bull owner and thank goodness I didn't even watch the video, fighting dogs is retarded. Too bad the news doesn't come to my house and make a video about how my dog minds me, behaves others, treats other dogs well, loves kids, does all kinds of tricks and etc... so we can start providing positive examples and role models to all these dog owners out there with tough dogs. Instead of adding to the anxiety, how bout we start teaching proper and responsible ownership of these breeds? Hey PETA or whomever else, how about you use some of your huge budget to fund some seminars and training classes? just an idea

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lawrenceguy40 5 years, 1 month ago

Nobody is forcing them to fight - it is natural instinct.

I found two cats fighting outside my house last night. I warned them that if they didn't stop, I would turn them in and collect the reward that the "Stop Cute Fluffy Animals Fighting Society" has put up. They just made some "Meeow" noises and moved on down the street.....

Get over it people!

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commentator_on_the_axe 5 years, 1 month ago

I hope all pit bull and pit bull mix owners see this, so they will see what their babies and children may experience one day.I also note, we allow deer and semi trailer trucks together, and no organization is protecting them.

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WHY 5 years, 1 month ago

How many of you think dog fighting is bad but eat cow.

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cj123 5 years, 1 month ago

I don't know how anyone can watch that! poor animals!

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WHY 5 years, 1 month ago

Dogs are property and legally no different than a toaster. If I want my toaster to fight my microwave it is my property and I will destroy it if I want.

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spammer89 5 years, 1 month ago

I really hope kids do not see this video, this is fubared.

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spammer89 5 years, 1 month ago

Really you show that video on TV, those aholes should be taken out and have steak tied to their a's or other body parts and then turn a pack of hungry wolves loose on them.

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Bill Thompson 5 years, 1 month ago

That video makes me absolutely sick!

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