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Health care reform gets noisy with honk and wave protest

By Mark Boyle · August 18, 2009 · Comment on this

Lawrence residents on both sides of the health care reform issue lined the streets outside Dennis Moore's office to participate in a "honk and wave" protest. People voiced their opinions on the issue during the event.

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jayhawks71 5 years, 4 months ago

And just like everyone else, they haven't read all 1000+ pages of it. The protesters are no better than the advocates when it comes to that.

jayhawklawrence 5 years, 4 months ago

I guess this will make my Democrat friends mad but I really think this Republican has some good points to make about the health care reform debate and he doesn't once mention death panels.

http://demint.senate.gov/public/

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

Only shareholders,medical insurance industry employees and politicians who are likely shareholders and receive political campaign money are wanting to protect the most corrupt and expensive medical insurance in the world.

The medical insurance of today is no bargain it is only a big profit tool at the expense of others misfortune.... now this is about as insensitive as it gets. Yes cancer is a big profit item and does this stink or what?

How many feel their medical insurance money should support: high dollar medical insurance spending on what 2,000 health insurers add to the actual cost of providing care: • its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients • Special interest campaign dollars Golden parachutes Politicians as shareholders: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/12/AR2009061204075.html

What will HR 676 and ONLY HR 676 Eliminate? Eliminates high dollar medical insurance spending on what 2,000 health insurers add to the actual cost of providing care: • its bureaucracy • profits • high corporate salaries • advertising over charges • sales commissions • Shareholders ! are the primary clients of for-profit insurance companies, not patients • Special interest campaign dollars • Golden parachutes

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

People denounce Medicare as some evil kind of medical insurance without acknowledging what great service it has provided to millions of senior citizen and millions more who lost their retirement plans to many many white collar criminals. Think savings and loan rip off, ENRON, the high tech scandal and the recent Maddoff ripoff.

Does anyone believe that all of the white collar criminals waiting to steal retirement plans are in jail? Get real.

Richard Heckler 5 years, 4 months ago

This is how Rep John Conyers perceives HR 676 aka Medicare Insurance for All. Which is the most comprehensive,fiscally responsible and would be a great help in making millions of jobs a reality in america.

So what would the new HR 676 Medicare For ALL Insurance offer to americans? 365 days a year,24/7,employed or not,moving on to a new job or not,single mom or not,struck down with cancer or not?

What would a new HR 676 Medicare Insurance Plan cover 365 days a year 24/7?

A family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the below insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month going to about $1,500 in 2010.

  • long term care such that cancer would require
  • prescription drugs
  • hospital
  • surgical
  • outpatient services
  • primary and preventive care
  • emergency services
  • dental
  • mental health
  • home health
  • physical therapy
  • rehabilitation (including for substance abuse)
  • vision care
  • hearing services including hearing aids
  • chiropractic
  • durable medical equipment
  • palliative care

Again a family of four making the median income of $56,200 would pay about $2,700 in payroll tax for all health care costs. About $225 per month. Today the above insurance coverage actually costs about $1,100 per month.

HR 676 ends deductibles and co-payments. If a deductible and/or co-pay policy is in effect this usually indicates under-insured.

HR 676 would save hundreds of billions annually by eliminating the high overhead of the private health insurance industry and HMOs. The privatized medical insurance industry is anything but efficient.

HR 676 contains costs and saves about $350,000,000,000 annually.

Sigmund 5 years, 4 months ago

jayhawks71 (Anonymous) says… "And just like everyone else, they haven't read all 1000+ pages of it. The protesters are no better than the advocates when it comes to that."

Since only members of Congress get to vote on your health care it is incumbent upon them to read and understand it first before a vote.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

jayhawklawrence -- at least we're moving in the direction of a rational discussion!

Few points: 1. DeMint's "plan" has about one and half points of useful ideas. The remainder have long been debunked as failing to solve actual problems - HSAs, vouchers (Republicans - always with the vouchers!). 2. I like point 8: End funding for financial institutions (TARP) - because when you think of health insurance the mind immediately transfers to bank solvency (and maybe manatee research). 3. This is generously called a "plan" - uh, where's the bill, you know, the legislation introduced in Congress? Oh, right, what was I thinking, there isn't a bill. This is one piece of paper inserted into a glossy paper cover and titled "plan." 4. The GOP ran Washington for a decade. Why didn't any of this get passed before? After all, the Repub Congress addressed health care twice: (1) passing a socialistic, unfunded, $32 trillion drug benefit program (thanks W!) and (2) a teensy, tiny little program to give poor kids some coverage (over GOP howls that foreshadowed the disturbing-the-peacenik peasants-with-pitchforks we have now). Hmmm...couldn't be the the GOP has zero interest in limiting their financial contributors profits? naw.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

Sigmund - I'll read the 3 or 4 health insurance bills if you promise to read the entire tax code before demanding (yet!) another tax cut. If you're a fast reader, you should finish about 2047!

Flap Doodle 5 years, 4 months ago

Imagine the carbon footprint. The Goracle is weeping bitter tears.

BTW, do you think the HR676 is the Norwegan Blue of legislation?

Practicality 5 years, 4 months ago

Congressman Moore,

I find it reprehensible that you, as a voting member of our congress, can and have voted to send our young men and women to war, in a foreign land, against hostile people intent on killing them while at the same time you have cancelled town hall meetings based on a couple of loose threats from some idiots in your own district, in your own nation, that you represent. Your constituents are out in the street wanting you to hear from them, both for and against this issue. I hate to accuse a grown man of cowardice, so I won’t, yet. But, I wonder, how can you ask others to risk themselves in a war, on foreign land, for this nation that you represent and then behave as you have?

Brady Swenson 5 years, 4 months ago

We need Dennis Moore and his fellow Blue Dogs to stand up strong for a public option in health insurance reform. I'm getting ready to start a family with my wife and, while we are both prepared and excited to be parents, the most unsettling aspect of starting a family for us is the poor health insurance we have. We do not trust any insurance company anymore after they have used their money and access to lawyers to unfairly deny coverage for critical care to two members of our families over the years. When they tried to do the same thing to my wife when she needed back surgery for a slipped disk at age 27 we were on the phone for literally dozens of hours before we finally got her much needed surgery covered, like it should have been from the beginning. We need a public option that does not rely on the profit incentive to provide health insurance to Americans. Large insurance corporations make massive profits from denying coverage to their insureds and hoping they don't have the wherewithal to stand up to them. This makes no sense.

Health insurance services should be able to put patients needs ahead of the need to satisfy investors with ever increasing profits. A public option would allow private insurance corporations to persist and even profit, granted at lower rates than the massive profits they enjoy now on the backs of sick Americans, but it will also offer a counter-balancing incentive against simply profits, the incentive to compete and succeed against the public option. This added incentive will help improve the services private health insurance companies provide to Americans.

Call Dennis Moore's office today and urge him to stand up for the public option.

Kansas City office: (913) 621-0832 Washington office: (202) 225-2865

Praying for Democratic strength to do what is right with this historic opportunity to make this country a better place to live for all of us regular citizens...

Jack Hope III 5 years, 4 months ago

Do people get raises anymore, or does that extra money just go to paying for medical/dental programs offered by insurance companies who are beholden only to their profit margins and stock holders. Regardless of their party affiliation, the Congress and the President are always beholden to the tax payers. If I am a tax payer, then I am an investor in this country. What's wrong with that?

For whatever it's worth, I'd like to have a public option just so I know that the bottom doesn't mean I have to go clog an emergency room because I have the flu.

Finally, I find it morally reprehensible that profit should motivate health care providers. Is that why doctors and nurses get into this business -- for the money? No, of course not... but you can make a ton as an insurance company executive.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

Practicality - Moore meets with constituents all the time. Would that there were enough hours in the day to meet them all but there's not. Besides, when's he supposed to get time to read all this statutory language?

I, for one, find it reprehensible that Sens. Roberts and Brownback vote regularly to send the uninsured - and underinsured - to death camps rather than provide them with health care. People suffer from this profit for death scheme every day. Shame on them! Does Sam actually think he'll get into heaven with so much blood on his hands no matter how much he may wear Jesus on his sleeve?

Flap Doodle 5 years, 4 months ago

In other news: “...The proliferation of Obama’s gaffes and non sequiturs on health care has exceeded the allowable limit. He has failed repeatedly to explain how the government will provide more (health care) for less (money). He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market. And he has failed to explain why a Medicare-like model is desirable when Medicare itself is going broke. The public is left with one of two unsettling conclusions: Either the president doesn’t understand the health-insurance reform plans working their way through Congress, or he understands both the plans and the implications and is being untruthful about the impact. Neither option is good; ignorance is clearly preferable to the alternative.” http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aJ01reSCujDQ

georgeofwesternkansas 5 years, 4 months ago

When is the "Honk If I Am Paying Your Mortgage" protest in Lawrence, thats the one I want to attend...

Flap Doodle 5 years, 4 months ago

"I, for one, find it reprehensible that Sens. Roberts and Brownback vote regularly to send the uninsured - and underinsured - to death camps rather than provide them with health care." I loves the smell of hyperbole in the afternoon.

Jimo 5 years, 4 months ago

Snap : "He has failed to explain why increased demand for medical services without a concomitant increase in supply won’t lead to rationing by government bureaucrats as opposed to the market."

Medical services aren't a commodity like wheat. Nor is "supply of activity" in medicine a proper measure. Increase the effectiveness and efficiency in such a system and one increases the "supply of results". The present system is incapable (by design) of improving the "supply of results" except by increasing the "supply of activity" - hence, the out of control cost increases.

The most likely supply constraint most people should notice is a delay in scheduling non-emergency treatment (and that only in the short-run until the system adjusts). While I may dislike having to wait 4 weeks to get in for a routine exam as compared to say 2 weeks now, calling that "rationing" is like calling the non-delivery of mail on Sundays "rationing."

Currently, the market (if one can call it that since health care - in any version - lacks several key features required of a market system) rations health care by restricting efficient results precisely because getting results requires hard work and may not be profitable. Instead, the market currently rewards activity REGARDLESS of the results, in fact often with negative results and/or total waste of money. Why? Because more activity equals more profit.

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