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"If Iran attacks Israel, would you be willing to commit U.S. troops in support and defense of Israel, or would you wait on approval from the U.N. Security Council?"
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Egypt and the other Arab ststes won't risk being wiped out by Israeli response. They learned their lessons in past wars with Israel. Will there be increased attacks on Israel and her allies, but I don't believe that if Israel is attacked by Iran and Israel employs the nuclear option in response, the other Arab states will want the same treatment. If Israel launches a pre-emptive strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, the other Arab states will howl and scream, but not openly declare war. It is more their style to support Hamas and other groups than go toe-to-toe with Israel again. Growler, God it has been a long time, but that would figure. He had the guts to go through with it, while Carter certainly wouldn't have.
mm - Ford was President 1974-1977. Think Nixon.
madmike - in your first two scenarios, you stop right when it would be most crucial to look contingencies. What do the other Arab states do after a nuclear strike against Iran? Does Israel also launch preemptive attacks against Egypt or Syria?Your scenarios just aren't realistic.
oops, that's right, Ford was president.
foreingers? not sure about that one.
What "we" are subject to, Marion, is illegal wiretapping, out of control domestic spying, a president who generates signing statements every time he wants to circumvent our laws, identity theft that the government doesn't want to fix (because it makes money for banks), a Department of Homeland Security, which is called corrupt because it harasses anti-Bush people rather than look for terrorists in our midst, your name on the Terror Watch List if you oppose G.W. Bush, and for no other reason, etc., and on and on it goes. Your wildly worldly reply, Marion? PUH-leeeeze don't deny us.
I really do prefer to read the text of experts on these issues, not online rants of disinformation. WAR LAW by Michael Byers. This book really lays it out. http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=Q1iAY7dlaawC&dq=WAR+LAW+by+Michael+Byers.&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=8XI3ur4y4o&sig=G4DkLGWKu8s49i-gzf9ktM5asH0&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result
madmike, Carter was elected in 1976.
Marion > warhawk > loves war > must have war > endless war > doesn't readNo foreign court in the world today holds an ounce of power against US. Try reading Marion, especially since you obviously want to be read. ______FYI : Our soldiers only do weeks or months for murder, not that I believe they are the ones who should be tried. I do not believe that, period, and those soldiers were tried in American courts. International, or foreign, courts are not allowed to arrest or in any way try our soldiers.
It amazes me that so many ouf you are willing to subjugate the rights of our elected leaders international kangaroo courts!The really sad part is that you fail to realise that if you subjugate those leaders to the whims of "courts" run by foreingers, you are subjugating yourselves to the same authority.Do you really hate yourselves, our elected leaders and this country so much that you would hand over the scales of justice to foreigners?oh waitnever mindAdvance the video to 3:50 and watch on from there!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uGiVU8ApaI&feature=related
madmike - then you would know it's the Middle Eastern oil fields that start the wars over there in Iraq and Iran. Everybody else knows it. btw, years ago, I was married to a Marine Seargent. He was in the Tet Offensive, the left half side of his face had been shot off. They patched him up, and sent him home with just a small scar in front of his ear. And he wanted to go back into Nam after all that. Mike, nobody doubts your service to the country. The doubts are with the civilian leaders of this country. I've known other "lifers" who retire and end up cursing those so-called leaders for the rest of their lives once truth would out. I know you know what the Pentagon Papers is.
I no longer have access to contingency plans, as I am retired from the military, but if you want me to propose scenarios in which we are involved, ok. Scenario #1: Iran launches a nuclear weapon against Tel-Aviv. Immediate nuclear retaliatory strike is conducted against Iran by the Israeli air force. Every major city in Iran gone! Game over!Scenario #2: Iran launches an air strike against Isreal, along with surface to surface missiles equipped with VX, GB, Sarin, Mustard and Choking chemical agents. Israel launches nuclear strike against Iran.Scenario #3 (Molt Likely): Mossad convinced that Iran has a nuclear warhead near completion. Israel notifies the US that they will launch a pre-emptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities with conventional weapons. US has no choice but to assist Israel, or not be trusted ever again by our allies. USAF/USN launch strikes against Iranian air-defense, command and control and communications facilities. All Iranian air force bases made inoperable and Iranian planes largely destroyed on the ground. Israel conducts bombing of Iranian nuclear facilities.
NO WAY!!, I would wish Isreal well but I could not condone sending my family members to die for Zionist people who hate Christians. Unfortunately we are already fighting for Isreal in Iraq, but those soiders work for money. As for me I will protect my family, religion, state and country in that order. Isreal falls low on my priority list.
I was in a rapid deployment unit in 1973, and I had just returned from Vietnam. We were put on alert, sequestered and given live ammo and our vehicles were moved to the deployment airfiels. We came very close to being involved then, and that was under Carter.
We didn't intervene in 1948, 1967 or 1973 or any other previous time that Israel was attacked without provocation. That's a tough little country. Of course they're outfitted with our armaments now and they have a nuclear response option. I think they're more than capable of handling the situation as is.The real question is, will there still be a building left standing in Iran if they attack Israel.
madmike--we have no duty to assist. We have supported Israel when they were weak and needed it, but they don't need our help anymore. We have fulfilled any duty we might have had to them, and now we are done. Why continue to waste money on them, or waste our soldiers for them when they are fully capable of defending themselves?
I think it won't make any difference what you guys think. I believe that if Israel gets wind that Iran is gettin a little to jiggy with it, they will indeed pre emptively blow the s**t out of Iran...besides, wouldn't they like have to go through a couple of other countries to get there first or would they be stupid enough to think just throwing missiles at them would work?
Excellent points on the topic, merrill. Isreal, under Sharon, has in the past used 'our' American firepower to carry out war crimes against Palestine leaders. The targeted killing of people is a war crime. The Bush regime is opposed to the ICC - the International Criminal Court. So, of course, is Israel. In fact, both are opposed to any international law that would hold either of the nations leaders accountable. In fact, it's been the Bush regime players/lawyers who have gone around the world to undermine our allies and the UN so that now, the laws that once governed war are nil. This means, to Isreal especially, that the body of international laws that were created all because of the Holocaust (!) after WWII are useless now, ineffective (because those same laws would have applied to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.). In short, our own government has made it possible for another Holocaust to happen anywhere in the world. Call it crazy? Gives whole new meaning to the word, folks.
Again, madmike - what's your plan?
merrill, you keep forgetting to use the phrase "running dogs of imperialism".
Thank you comerade Merrill, for that wonderful posting of genuine liberal jibberish! Does Iran have the capability to launch against Israel? Not at this time, however, Israel will not allow Iran to develope this capability either, and should Israel not trust the US to be with her, they will conduct a preemptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities.
Iran is not going to attack Israel. This is BUSHCO fear talk. Iran does not have the capability to take Israel out. Israel is the sixth largest nuclear power in the world thanks to USA tax dollars. Israel has a mountain of american jet fighters in its arsenal. The world would not support Iran in this endeavor anymore than the world supports the BUSHCO imperialists in the mideast.
Care to lay out a plan for this particular scenario, madmike? No one "desires" an attack on our allies. But if it were to happen, we need to think about the strategic implications of any and all actions. Talking tough is nice in sixth grade, but this is significantly different.
Always interesting to see our leftist friends here react to an act of war, and their desire to allow allies to be destroyed while we ignore ourduty to assist.
"Fairly well, as far as showing the world we will not put up with vicious dictators BS and we are serious about tearing apart the axis of evil and are committed to doing so. "Esq2eB, you don't know what you're talking about.We "tore up" the so-called "axis of evil"? Really? How many nukes does N. Korea have now vs. before we invaded Iraq? How's that Iranian nuclear program?We won't put up with "vicious dictators"? WTF are you talking about? North Korea, Sudan, Myanmar, Saudi Arabia (!), China, Zimbabwe, Iran, Pakistan, Eritrea, Libya, Syria, Equatorial Guinea, Swaziland, Ethiopoia, Belarus, Eqypt, Cuba, Laos, Chad - what's your brilliant plan for these folks that we "won't put up with" (except for the past decade or longer)?
F NO! It's time for Israel to get weened from US. We need to take care of our own.
Iraq worked out well? WTF are you smokin?
"WTF was Iraq? How'd that work out?"Fairly well, as far as showing the world we will not put up with vicious dictators BS and we are serious about tearing apart the axis of evil and are committed to doing so. Well, some of us are. As for any other aspect of Iraq, the occupation, etc., things did not go so well. But that's not what you asked.
Let Israel defend themselves, if they still need us and our money to survive this many years later, then they are doing something wrong.
The first post shows an incredible ignorance of the region and the consequence of such action.The only justification for "massive and destructive anhillation (sic)" is a belief in end times theology. And we don't need that type of thinking (looking at you, Palin)."I would commit troops to defend Israel"And you would get these troops from...where, exactly?'It is time that we quit pussyfooting around and show the world we are serious, and that we mean business."WTF was Iraq? How'd that work out?'However I have a feeling if Iran attacked Israel, that the Israeli retaliation would be so swift and sever that there would be much left for the US to mop up."That is true. Given that Israel has the military duty to keep strikes against other Arab states as an option in order to maintain its security, you're talking about the absolute end of the world economy. Bravado and bluster don't get you far in this particular game.
Tank, I would definitely agree with you about Israel's response. I would not want to be on the receiving end of an Israeli retaliation for an attack like Iran would like to do.
Absolutely, and with out reservation. I would commit troops to defend Israel, and also order a massive and destructive anhillation of the top Iranian officals, military leaders and terrorist. It is time that we quit pussyfooting around and show the world we are serious, and that we mean business. However I have a feeling if Iran attacked Israel, that the Israeli retaliation would be so swift and sever that there would be much left for the US to mop up.
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