Police say shooting suspect may be tried as adult

By Lindsey Slater · June 9, 2008 · Comment on this

A burglary and a robbery led to a shooting that left two men dead early Saturday, Lawrence Police said Monday morning. A 16-year-old Lawrence boy arrested Sunday in connection with the incident is expected to be charged this afternoon, according to the Douglas County District Attorney's office. His name was not released. Police Sgt. Paul Fellers and Assistant District Attorney David Melton met the media Monday morning.

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hail2oldku 7 years ago

Perhaps starbucks.It's been a day or two since I was 16, but I'd like to think as a 16 year-old it was wrong to try and rob someone. I do believe that even if I was dumb enough to rob someone, I'd be smart enough to rob a place that I knew to be empty in order to a)limit my chances of getting caught and b)limit my chances of getting shot at or otherwise exposed to injury.

KEITHMILES05 7 years ago

It is up to the DA whether he'll be charged as an adult. The police have nothing to do with it.

domino 7 years ago

Sorry, Starbucks - have to totally disagree with you there. At 16 years old, you absolutely know right from wrong and you know the dangers of using a gun. I have no problem whatsoever with him being tried as an adult. A friend of my familys was murdered over 20 years ago - sweet old man who would have given the 2 young men a ride, food, money or whatever they needed. Instead, they shot him in cold blood. They were 16 & 17 years old and were not tried as adults. Even though they were both sentenced to quite a few years in prison, when they turned 18, each of them were released because they could no longer be held in a juevinal facility and they couldn't be transferred to an adult facility because they were not tried as adults! Their criminal records were also sealed to "protect their rights" since they were not yet adults. Talk about a bunch of crap!

kujeeper 7 years ago

Why should he only to go prison for five years (less by the time the trial is over)...They would let him out in five when he hits 21. He'll be free but those two men will never come back! He should get the same punishment as what he dealt out, death.

rgh 7 years ago

Got to go with Domino on this one. I've seen it happen too often also when 14, 15, or 16 year old killers are released when they are 18 or 21 after someone loses a loved one forever. I work at a school and know darn good and well that kids know right from wrong, they just choose to ignore what the consequences will be (or should be).

Sigmund 7 years ago

starbucks (Anonymous) says: "juvenile justice"?? The default is to treat those under 18 differently than adults. Every single state in the nation has a process for transferring some cases from juvenile court under certain circumstances or for certain crimes including murder. About half the states have no minimum age when this can happened the rest set the age from 10 (Kansas) to 15 (New Mexico).I believe that Kansas also has a some kind of concurrent "blended" dispositions where both courts have jurisdiction and any sentence will be handled by the juvenile court unless the defendant commits some further felony at which time he will serve the sentence imposed by the regular court. But Kansas significantly revised much of the law with respect to minors in 2006 and to be honest my info may be horribly out of date.

dolhingirl212002 7 years ago

i think if you can kill someone in cold blood then you should do the time at 16 he know right from wrong and should sit in prision and pay for what he CHOOSE TO DO

mjm5529 7 years ago

Let's get this straight. A 16-year-old went to a house with the intent to burglarize it. He either had a gun when he went, or he acquired one while he was there. He then shoots and kills another man. This is cut and dried, folks. That's an adult decision. Period. Unless he is found to have some sort of mental illness (other than stupidity), he better be tried as an adult. He'd better do hard time.

lna0825 7 years ago

I totally agree with Domino at the age of 16 you know right from wrong and under the circumstances this being murder we are talking about not a threat, but murder I think he should be tried as an adult... I can't believe anybody would put up a fight about a 16 year old being tried as an adult in a crime like this... Maybe the parents of the sixteen year old I see because they obviously don't want that for their son, but come on...

loki8025 7 years ago

When he decided to go and rob some one and to take a gun with he became and adult. Try him as such. There should be no question

workinghard 7 years ago

I'm willing to bet he pleads self defense and the sad thing is he just might pull it off. I've seen it happen, so it might not even matter if he is tried as an adult or not.

hail2oldku 7 years ago

I'd better get out of this discussion since it's getting difficult to tell the sarcasm from the true feelings.I will say this upon leaving though, shooting someone while you are in the process of robbing them is premeditated in my mind. If you didn't plan to shoot someone while in the process of committing the crime, why did you need the weapon to begin with? If you're thinking you were going to need protection for yourself while committing your crime, then you're an extra dumb criminal. Go commit your crime someplace where you don't have to worry about your own protection.

Take_a_letter_Maria 7 years ago

hail2oldku (Anonymous) says: Perhaps starbucks.It's been a day or two since I was 16--------------------------------------------------------------------------That's the understatement of the year old man. ;-)

domino 7 years ago

I'm thinking back, probably 10 or more years ago, to the teenager from the US who was overseas (Thialand or somewhere) that got caught keying someones car. Not a big thing here in the US, but a big thing wherever he was. He was sentenced to a public caneing - people here in the US were all up in arms about how inhumane and brutal of a punishment it was. Looking at the other side of the coin, I remember that at that point being suprised at how low the crime rate was for juvies in that country. Now, before you all jump down my throat for supporting corporal punishment, that isn't what I'm saying!!! I'm looking back at the comment made by rgh about kids choosing to ignore what the consequences will (or should) be. I think he hit the nail on the head - I would venture to guess that this young man probably could distinguish wright from wrong - just chose to ignore or didn't stop to think about the consequences.Condolences to all the families - no matter what the circumstances, it is a difficult time.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

oh, I just realized, Max1, you perfidious little wiesel, you may be putting my quote in your list, out of context, in order to make sinister implications about that neighborhood, which I praised there in that quote. if so, you are even a lower creature than i previously thought. shame on you.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

once again, Maxy1 posts out of context quotes. max, you are a feckless idiot. the quote you attribute to me is:*out of context;and 2, written when very little was actually released to the public. you are using this tragedy to try to throw mud at your political opponents, and thus betray your petty stinky little soul to public ridicule. pathetic! however, I am glad you are reading my comments, maybe some day they will penetrate that head of yours. you too are guilty of trying to politicize this tragedy. and, to clarify since you posted my comment out of context: both young men died suddenly. their families had no time to prepare, and they themselves had no time to prepare their souls for their deaths. as I have posted elsewhere, the 18-year-old was apparently killed while in the commission of a crime, but his family grievs him no less. now, what about your cold little shrivveled heart Maxy1?

Bob Forer 7 years ago

Melton, the assistant DA, simply said that they are contemplating whether to try the juvenile as an adult, which is discretionary under Kansas statute, given both the age and the severity of the crime. So to those of you who have already cast aspersions on the DA's office, I suggest you withhold your criticism until you know more facts, and until the DA actually makes a decision.

hail2oldku 7 years ago

Hey, I'm with Starbucks on this one.The kid is only 16. He's not old enough to decide right from wrong. That's obvious because he we out at 2:30 in the morning trying to rob someone and then killing that person in the process of the robbery.I say we let this poor misunderstood youth serve his 2-5 years in JD, but try his parents for doing such a poor job of instilling the proper values into this young man. Since he'll be in JD until he is of age anyway, he won't need his parents when he gets out.

repaste 7 years ago

Bad judgement, robbery, hardly sounds like cold blood though, more like self defense(not a legal defense)

repaste 7 years ago

Keith miles dead on-- police do not have any power whatsoever. Anyone name another country that executes juv's? Look hard, let me know. I'm not to liberal but the death penality is a symbol of our backwardness. Don't let them out, but you cannot commit murder again. The most conservative estimates are 1-2% condemned are innocent

Bone777 7 years ago

Starbucks is an idiot. If you have ever worked in the juvenile justice field you will see that the punishments aren't set-up to handle Class A felonies. A slap on the wrist, is no way to treat a murderer, or a burglarer, or a robber....

ksdivakat 7 years ago

unfortunately I dont have any links to put up, but the mans name is Heath Wilkins and hes MO youngest death row inmate. Hes been on death row for years now, and maybe even excuted by now, but the fact is he was a juvinile and he got the death penalty, so I think it has to do with the malicious nature of the crime......This 16 y/o needs to be tried as an adult, he pointed that gun like a big boy and he shot someones face off.....so he needs to man up and take his medicine.I think that the laws are subject to interputation, and I think this one is definately one that should be re-interputed!

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

Maxy1,repeating it doesn't change it. thanks for posting the entire message so now others can read it in context. my comment about them dying suddenly, you disagree with that! these two young men were shot to death!you're really really grasping at straws now! I explained above, and my full comment speaks for itself. my interpretation of what you've done there is still true: you are simply trying to exploit this for petty political gain, to throw mud at those who apparently irritate you on here. glad I do that. note, in that message, I was using humor also in another part of the post, to chastize those who thought they had the circumstances of the crime nailed down. in your definition of gnome, by the way, you left out the original meaning of "gnome" being from ancient greek mythology, but you in your little petty cold-hearted liberal world, you wouldn't know that! or, you intentionally ommitted it! maxy1, you are indeed deeply perfidious. anyone who reads these threads for long just learns to skip your posts full of irrelevant, out-dated out-of-context web links and quotes. and, in my case, you picked the wrong poster to mess with. and, on the absolutely wrong topic! I would also note , but in your cold-heartedness you'd miss this-I have posted several messages of comfort and support for family members caught up in this tragedy. no such messages have been emitted by your cold, deformed hands connected to your cold deformed shrivveled up little heart. the two did die suddenly that is a fact. you wanna make something sinister out of my reference to that, when I was intending to recognize some suffering? damn, you really are bad off maxy1. you need to look at yourself in the mirror, your life is nothing but emptyness and heartlessness. living that way can't be good for you.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

from the monster dictionary: Gnome [1]: Grouping: fairy. av.height 3'2"-4'. The "Wisdom Fairies," they live alone in forests in holes in trees or in the ground near trees. Inappearance, they are small people, covered in wrinkles. As their name implies, they are the wisest of fairies. They are not truly telepathic, but havean usually accurate sense for knowing what someone is thinking or feeling. They are able to learn and figure out things from evidence or signs which wouldbe invisible to any other race. They are also one of very few fairies would can learn to be good at wizardry. Genre-gnome. Source: my slant on one popularidea. Gnome [2]: Grouping: fairy. av.height 2'6"-3'6". Not nearly as intelligent as the other type of gnome, they are very similar in appearance althoughthey tend to be smaller. They are infamous for digging holes and playing in people's yards and gardens. They are more closely related to the leprechaunthan to the wise gnomes. Genre-leprechaun related fairy. Source: another popular idea of gnomes.

Sigmund 7 years ago

mjm5529 (Anonymous) says: "He then shoots and kills another man."Jones has been charged with two counts of "felony murder" which means the police believe they have evidence he was there but not that he pulled the trigger. Two counts felony murder one each for the death of his co-conspirator and the other for the death of their victim.Now Jones may have pulled the trigger on the victim but apparently that is not the story he is is telling the police. Easiest at this point to charge felony murder.http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/jun...

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

from www.m-w.com:Pronunciation: = 'nomFunction: = nounEtymology: = Greek gnome, from gignoskein to know - more atknowDate: = 1577l

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

maxy1,it is obvious, did you not read the stories above the comments? hysterical? really. obviously the two died quite suddenly. maxy1, you are failing in trying to justify your mud slinging. you are mudslinging at people who have opposed your far left fringe perspective. shame on you for using this, which is a true tragedy, to try to gain political "gotcha" points. it is obvious to anyone reading along that you have no compassion for the victim, or the family of the 18-year-old killed in the commission of the crime. as I said, simply repeating your quote of my comment, out of context, doesn't change anything. Maxy1, you are pathetic, small minded, vacuous, and heartless. shame on you. again, I will point out that you have posted zero notes expressing compassion for the grieving, yet you take my genuine expression of compassion out of context and try to make it sinister. that is very low and dirty, perfidious. also, Maxy1, I'm posting some information so you won't be so ignorant about gnomes in the future. however, I recognize that your ignorance is probably willful.

bearded_gnome 7 years ago

also, maxy1,catch-22 conclusively proves that it is wrong to have the crazy determine who is crazy! so, you might not want to make such claims about my sanity, further, you have no evidence. just what is your problem with that statement that the two men that died didn't have time to prepare? to most people, that is an inocuous statement stating that they died suddenly without the opportunity to reflect on their lives, or if you have faith, which you likely don't maxy1, it also means preparing one's soul to meet one's maker (referred to earlier in another post). ***gnomein folklore, tiny subterranean creature associated with mines and quarries. Usually represented as misshapen, frequently as hunchbacked, gnomes are saidto be guardians of hidden treasures.list end---from columbia encyclopedia online,and elsewhere: belief that under a gnome, you will find treasure. and, elsewhere, gnomes were in finnish mythology too. gnomes in mythology were the "tellers" and those who could figure things out. maxy1, you are a pathetic small little man. in trying to make sinister implications about my statement, you have never exactly said what you thought was wrong. I still wonder, given your perfidiousness, if you were actually trying to slur that neighborhod and use my out of context comment to do that. your post, just up from this one, is also pathetic, I explain the other two refs in the comment and you act like that must refer to your 'sinister' quote of me out of context. shame on you for behaving so badly on a thread about the deaths of two young men. men who are gone for good, and a third teen who's life is thrown away by very bad choices and criminal actions. and, again, I repeat for the benefit of those reading, maxy1 does this little game trying to slam those whom he disagrees with, and expresses no concern for the loss of these young lives, or the intense grieving of several families. he apparently does not care. he is cold-hearted to all that loss.

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