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This Walmart at Sixth Street and Wakarusa Drive opened in April 2009. Neighboring retailers say the increase in expected customer traffic has not happened as planned.


kansasmutt 8 years, 1 month ago

What a shock. It is a fact that has been known for 30 years. Wal Mart does NOT bring customers to other area businesses , due to the fact that Wal Mart customers are going to Wal Mart only to save money and are not going to stop at another area business. Other businesses lose customers to Wal Mart. Whoever fed the line of BS to the area businesses around the west side Wal Mart that it will " bring you customers " knew upfront Wal Mart blights other area businesses . Wal Mart sells cheap imported crap for cheap, that is why people shop at them. If you want quality stuff, you need to shop local mom and pop stores.

RoeDapple 8 years, 1 month ago

Want facts kmutt? We live west of Lawrence. Before or after shopping at Walmart we dine occasionally at Mariscos or Johnny's West. We purchase gas at the Kwik Shop, pharmacy and some groceries at Dillons, bank at DoCoBank at 6th and Folks Road. Our glasses and my hearing aids are purchased along 6th Street not far from Walmart. Our dog groomer, the hardware store, car wash and our gym membership are within shouting distance of WallyWorld. Do we shop downtown? Occasionally, when we feel like paying full retail for the same imported items, pay for parking privileges and walk through stinking grease soaked alleys to get there.

Oh, and the local mom and pop store where I live? The gas at his pumps are 40 cents/gallon higher than in Lawrence, and I have seen his employees shopping at Walmart.

What a shock.

Mike Willoughby 8 years, 1 month ago

But to prove the actual point here, Roe, you shopped at all of your places and ate at Mariscos, before walmart. Walmart didn't bring you to them.

The point is that NEW customers are not being pulled out west to anything but Walmart.

That is not a shock.

RoeDapple 8 years, 1 month ago

No, we shopped at places near the other Walmart for the most part. Now most everything we need is close to WallyWest so we shop there

RoeDapple 8 years, 1 month ago

Oak being the name of the week, I'll not concern myself with your imaginary history. I guess on the internet you can be anything you want. Superman in your dirty underwear anyone?

independant1 8 years, 1 month ago

Wait a minute. Is it a prerequisite, for a proven successful business to open, to provide revenue for other competing businesses in the neighborhood?

Having said that, I recall some anecdotal reports say wherever a Starbucks opens the increase in traffic boosted sales to mom and pop coffee shops nearby.

I think the government ought to do a study and clear this up.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 1 month ago

Wal-Mart is not a pioneer. Wal-Mart only moves in where markets have been established. Wal-Mart anticipates putting neighboring retailers out of business or at least creating a high turnover in nearby properties. Sooner or later the dominoes begin to fall.

The biggest problem is that there are not enough retail dollars in Lawrence,Kansas to support big city development. Only the people making lots of money off real estate don't believe this.

"Neighboring retailers say the increase in expected customer traffic has not happened as planned." That is because the business is not there to begin with as city officials were being advised. Flooded markets are unfriendly to business. Lawrence,Kansas is a flooded market.

How many years ago was Baur Farms approved? Flooded markets do not attract new business because they are unfriendly to business and unfriendly to local taxpayers in a big way.

Tighter markets are strong, produce their revenue expectations, owners make more money AND hire more people. Tight markets can more easily weather economic downturns which inevitably follow "housing bubbles" and other types of boom town economics. Boom town economics produce illusions. Flooded markets produce unfriendly business atmosphere.

A flooded market is a tax increase.

Why is Lawrence economic growth lagging?

OldEnuf2BYurDad 8 years, 1 month ago

"Wal-Mart is not a pioneer. Wal-Mart only moves in where markets have been established."

Actually, Wal-Mart was able to build their brand by opening stores where K-Mart wouldn't - in markets that were slightly too small by K-Mart standards. Once they got going in those smaller markets (places like Leavenworth, 30 years ago), they began to encroach on K-Mart's "established" markets.

Flap Doodle 8 years, 1 month ago

Be sure to wear cheerful bright clothing while driving the potholed streets that control speed to your dark home (which is dark because brownouts conserve electricity).

independant1 8 years, 1 month ago

I like the potholes, slows the traffic down on my street like an inny speed bump.

Richard Heckler 8 years, 1 month ago

it is imperative that communities conduct a market capacity studies to understand their market potential, before any vote can be taken on retail,residential or light industrial proposals.

Citizen taxpayers deserve to know how new development will impact property taxes,sales revenue and employment generated at other businesses in the community.

All new development is often mistaken for economic development when instead it could easily be promoting economic displacement instead of economic growth. Generally the people it affects the most are least likely to understand it.

Could this be a reason for our extraordinarily high taxes? Could this be a reason we might become the most expensive place to live and do business in Kansas?

The big box corporations are waging a war of indoctrination. They need us as accomplices in the destruction of our own hometowns. Consumers are best served when there are numerous competitors in the market. The big retail corporations, like Home Depot, Toys R Us, Wal-Mart and Best Buy, are known in the industry as "category killers." The name is significant. These businesses do not intend to compete with local stores; they aim to be the primary games in town.

Every developer that comes before a City or Planning Commission make their projects sound like they were written in Lake Wobegon where all the site plans are good looking and the economic impacts above average. The symptoms of retail saturation are everywhere.

Our governing bodies must remember there are still only so many retail dollars available in any community and Lawrence is but a small town surrounded by established commercial competition aka KCMO/JOCO and Topeka Metro.

sherbert 8 years, 1 month ago

I disagree with the article. If the 6th ST Walmart wasn't there, I'd waste gas to go across town to the other Walmart and probably eat and do other shopping over there. Now I can stay closer to home and do those things in the NW area of town. Too bad they cut the size and it doesn't have as much to choose from as the other store though. I am thankful though for not having to drive across town as much now, gas is too expensive.

PennyBrite 8 years, 1 month ago

we've always refered to it as the "quick trip walmart". it is small and has just a few things. However, if you need just an onion or just a loaf of bread, it's far quicker to run in there than to Dillons.

lawrencechick 8 years, 1 month ago

What neighbors? Arby's, McDonalds, KFC? There is no other retail over there.

impska 8 years, 1 month ago

That's just three of the twenty or so shops. There's a bunch in with McDonalds - Eileen's Cookies, Johnny's West, the CD tradepost, Godfather's, ice cream, liquor store, Salty Iguana, drycleaner, a salon, Massage Envy, then a couple of places that have closed recently (Blue Plate and the jewelry store) and of course the behemoth that is the Hereford House still stands vacant. I suspect all of these places will get more traffic from the farmer's market being there once a week than from Walmart.

Then across the street in the Dillons/Arby's area is Gregg Tire and Blockbuster, China House, a cell phone store, a bank, Kwik Shop, a coffee house, Marisco's and a couple of vacant shops (including where Quiznos was, which went out of business despite Walmart's presence).

That's just what I can remember off the top of my head, and I don't have special glasses that let me see invisible retail.

independant1 8 years, 1 month ago

It's the ghost mom and pops that went out of business when Wally moved in. I seen them go oob.

JustNoticed 8 years, 1 month ago

Jesse, just FYI: Don't use "of" when what you mean is "have".

We come up with things like "would of" instead of "would have" because when we speak "would've" sounds just like the way we say "would of". But they're different - gotta pay attention.

thank you

bruno2 8 years, 1 month ago

Count on Pop to contribute a complete non sequitor. Oops, the records stuck...

Dateable_Shelter_Dude 8 years, 1 month ago

Does anyone know if there is good bus service to the Walmart from downtown?And is it very handy, I haven't tried it and would like an honest asessment.

whynaut 8 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, the #6 has a clockwise and counter-clockwise run and both go through the 6th & Wakarusa intersection. You may have to traverse the WalMart parking lot

whynaut 8 years, 1 month ago

awesome avatar btw. Haven't read Red Meat in years!

JustNoticed 8 years, 1 month ago

Thank you, Panstwetter, I wish I could see the dance you're performing right now with your shorts in a twist. I bet it's hilarious. Why is it so hard on you that you don't get to set the rules for what anything "actual" is? Fool.

Don Zimmer 8 years, 1 month ago

Does not generate traffic? Tell that to my tenants. I develope Wal-Mart shadow centers thru out the Midwest. These retai centers are situated in Wal-Mart's parking lots and Wal-Mart's customers drive by my clients front door. These tenants survive with the exposure and traffic.These are what I call "value tenants", no GAPS or Saks.

While the retail sector has suffured a complete melt down my centers occupancy rates are in the high 90%.Even though I have had the most turn over I have ever had retailers answer my phone call when I have a vacancy.

While some surrounding retailers may not have seen increased sales they may not have suffered as much if the Wal-Mart had not opened. Drive around and see the many vacancies in non anchored (grocery stores). The commercial and jobmarket, except for t government employees, is in terrible shape.

The main complaint I hear, even from people who opposed the store, is that it is not big enough and does not have the selection of the south Wal-Mart.

George Lippencott 8 years, 1 month ago

merrill (anonymous) says…

Well sir, if you and people like you had not messed with this the new store might have been open three to four years earlier. As it is, it opened right along with the downturn - wonder just how much that might have affected sales?

It was so nice of you to help those of us who live out here - you are building up a strong reservoir of trust (just the opposite.) Several of the merchants out here have suggested they planned on business earlier and now - who knows. The owner of the Herford House (now defunct) specifically told me that the cities actions in this matter contributed to their departure. I enjoyed them and now boycott downtown Lawrence because of their hand in what happened.

You people are crazy. You seem to think that the smart way to attract business is to punish in some form or another a bunch of your fellow citizens so they will do your bidding and enrich you. How about a Library annex out here for our convenience - you have one already!!!

You know I am told that a lot of your antics comes from the ownership of properties in the areas for which you advocate. Perhaps you should clarify that before you blog again demanding special treatment for “downtown”!!!

You are going to see this comment a lot until you do!!!

independant1 8 years, 1 month ago

Larryville dropped a lot of money in the 4-5 years they fought that one. Cost benefit outcome for that legal battle? A whopper!

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