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Faith Forum: How should Thanksgiving be discussed in a religious context?

Again, zero citations as usual.

My bad on murder. War is not murder.

Your real question, then, is why does God permit women and children to suffer. That is a fair question. I'm not going to entertain any more overstatements that have no support. Do some homework and we'll see.

November 23, 2010 at 6:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Faith Forum: How should Thanksgiving be discussed in a religious context?

First, let's ignore the spelling errors of those standing up with you WHY, and your anti-semitism, since that really makes it hard to say with a straight face that those who believe in the supernatural are generally uneducated.

There is no tenure for scientists who have faith, you know, so we don't always know who they are.

Let's mention a few scientists who affirm creation, since the objective for mentioning Behe and Strobel the journalist was not to hold them out as scientists, but to point out that they have made reference to scientific work done by those who affirm creation: Kevin Anderson, Ken Carlson, Doug Dexheimer, Bob Farwell, Jim Henderson, Mary Jefferson...the list is endless.

Let's take Joshua 6, since jimmyjms gave an explicite (sic) cite there. Here, the context is that nation Israel was returning to its land after being enslaved in Egypt. In taking Jericho, yes, God told the military leaders that no one in the city could be spared.

Every person who believes that this account is true has to deal with this difficult passage. No race or nation was being eliminated in Joshua 6, so this is not genocide.

In my estimation, God did not spare anyone in the City for a couple of reasons. First, as Creator, it is His perogative to choose who comes to power and who he doesn't. In Jericho, He had no followers. He made it clear that the sins of men tend to flow down to their children, so it appears that in this case, He made a call--everyone must go because I know their hearts, and they are not dedicated to Me as the only God. To set apart a group and require them to live holy lives as a reflection of His own holiness, He wanted no intermarriage with those who openly rejected faith in Himself.

Each time Israel let there be survivors, in disobedience to God, the nation took on the negative character of those they joined with. Rarely do good people cause those who reject God to do better...usually, the expression from the Bible is true: Bad company corrupts good morals.

It is illogical to both accuse God of genocide and to argue that He does not exist. If you argue that God does not exist, you continue in your anti-semitism by blaming Jews, present and past generations of Jewish people. If you argue He does exist, you falsely accuse Him of genocide. He specifically blessed Ishamel, the father of the Arab nations, with the promise of many descendants. You can't pick and choose from His book.

Self-proclaimed intellectuals have to be exposed on this blog to distinguish who has credibility and who does not. Again, intellectual honesty has to be an underlying assumption for your case to be validated by others. Name calling won't win the day, and anti-semitism should be eliminated by the site managers.

November 23, 2010 at 3:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Faith Forum: How should Thanksgiving be discussed in a religious context?

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You should first not assume that Christians know no science. Again, intellectual honesty requires that you trust that your opponent is at your level until you can prove the opposite with some kind of verifiable facts. I'll probably not be up to your satisfaction, but here goes.

As you well know, no one can prove how the world was created, because according to the creation story in the Bible, only God existed at that time. It was days later when He made man. Moses recorded the account later. This is of course a matter of faith, not a matter of having an eyewitness account. No Christian will argue that an eyewitness account exists. Rather, the Christian will point to evidence that there was intelligent design.

Rather than use this space to demonstrate why Christians believe in creation by an intelligent God, I'll simply refer you to Michael Behe's work in *Darwin's Black Box* or Lee Strobel's *The Case for a Creator*, with Strobel's work being summarized here: http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/creat...

As Strobel points out, scientists are not unified behind your statement "creation has been thoroughly debunked by observable science...." Some scientists believe that creation can be disproven and some do not. Fact.

I'm very troubled by the argument oft-stated in this forum that God promoted genocide. First, it isn't true, but rather represents a straw-man argument posed to attempt to show that any God who promoted genocide cannot be good. Second, without your providing chapter and verse in the Bible where such an account exists in your mind, it cannot be defended. Provide the account that troubles you and I'll provide an explanation as to why it is not genocide. Please don't waste space saying that I don't agree that God commanded his people to go to war. Again, no intellectually honest Christian denies that because it is plain in the scriptures.

November 23, 2010 at 11:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Faith Forum: How should Thanksgiving be discussed in a religious context?

I rarely meet anyone who values religion as an escape from reality. This blog probably won't win over any of the usual suspects who use this space to promote athiesm and agnosticism. The beauty of Thanksgiving is that regardless of its origins, it is not possible to bash Christians over their thankfulness to God for His many blessings in their lives, as this holiday has not been ruined by commercialism. In its current form, it is very simply a day to gather with friends and family to reflect on how fortunate we are.

An intellectually honest argument against the existence of God is always welcomed by Christians who are educated in apologetics. However, personal attacks on those simply proclaiming their joy this week not only doesn't help anyone, it also is not demonstrative of the kind of intellectualism that athiests and agnostics like to champion.

November 23, 2010 at 10:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Campaign Notebook: Kobach working on "birthright citizenship" issue

We just get uncomfortable using slaughter as a method of birth control, that's all.

September 16, 2010 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Planning commissioners recommend denial of Lowe's plan

This would be a great question if the ? came after city, as in "What's the point of having planning for the city?" Certainly not to create economic development, job growth and a healthy economy, as this body continues to demonstrate.

August 24, 2010 at 8:03 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Show of respect

Why do I think a dead soldier who gave his or her life for what the flag represents would not care much about fine lines? I'm thinking the line is between those who love America and those who "are not proud of my country."

August 11, 2010 at 7:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Statehouse Live: Most Kansans support Brownback, repeal of health care law, poll says

On November 2 we'll have an accurate poll, when the other 104 counties in Kansas will be heard from, and this island of blue will be back in the minority where it belongs, lost in the 60s.

July 7, 2010 at 7:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Statehouse Live: Most Kansans support Brownback, repeal of health care law, poll says

No, what's scary is that only 60 to 70 percent want to stop America from being taken any further down a communistic/socialistic/marxist path after seeing the damage that has already been done to the country. Should be 100%.

July 6, 2010 at 2:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Investigation ongoing into whether Lawrence city manager made racially charged comment

Now that would be ironic, wouldn't it, especially if Toni was in the meeting. I think having someone outside staff investigate makes the most sense from an objectivity standpoint.

June 24, 2010 at 8:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )