Letter: Dr. Brownback?

Interesting- I realize I am not so bright, but I did not know an ad hominem argument dismissed the actual claims. Perhaps some should use their doctoral prowess to actually research the claims. If they are not true- just dismiss them.
So-
1) Are we talking about the life of a child or not?
2) Did Margaret Sanger promote eugenics in her writings?
3) Did the Nazi regime incorporate Planned Parenthood polices in their public policy?

April 23, 2013 at 9:48 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

Exactly- Eugenics. . . What Sanger wanted and developed. . Planned Parenthood. I have her writings here! She believed certain people (as she and her comrades decided) were a stress on the society (including those prone to crime.) The very reason most abortion clinics are in certain neighborhoods! Your ideas are really directly out of Sanger and the Eugenics playbook.

Educate me on your views then. Really. Simple and no trick questions: 1) Is a child a person or not? 2) If there is a change from child to person, when does that change occur?

To save posting time can we be honest and rational? (seriously); your determined "line" of mystical transformation can not be the child's size, the child moving location 3 inches, the child being dependent on someone else, or the child being immature. Nothing in those realities somehow provides a "poof" and the "non-human thing" becomes a child; i.e. a human being.

So when does a child become a human person?

June 22, 2011 at 4:37 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

Exactly how it works! Been doing it for decades. Fascinating how that works in most needs of life. . . Katrina, Inner City Renewal, Prison/inmate reform, soup kitchens, homeless shelters, education, etc. etc. All done and initiated in our history without tax money. . . Go into the prison today and noticed the hundreds of volunteers. . . .

June 22, 2011 at 11:20 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

First- they can pick and reject as they want.

Second- I am sure most inmates want advise/mentoring from that 24 year old with that wonderful college degree in sociology; instead of a 65 year old man who was in prison for 2 years in the 70s, recovered from alcoholism, raised a family, and runs a business. Of course, . . . the fact that the 24 year old is a young single woman. . . forget it.. . . I am sure the typical inmate is smart enough to make the right choice.

June 22, 2011 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

Its called Eugenics. And like Planned Parenthood founder M. Sanger, I suppose you get to choose who you think should live and who should not. Let me guess. . . inner city minority, mentally handicapped, . . .

June 22, 2011 at 11:06 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

You can!

June 22, 2011 at 11:02 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

. . . "evaporated!" This is just plain stupid. I am on the ground with these real men and women- regularly. We have HARD statistics. . . Kansas IFI last year was 17% overall with under 5% for first time inmates. I am personal friends with the actual people and the actual man who collects the numbers. Nationally IFI last year was 12% over all. Good grief- so complain about +/- 5%. The typical recidivism is easily over 70%!!

Further- I can not believe that someone is going to complain that the 18 month integrated IFI system where men are educated, taught Microsoft skills, how to work, how to have goals and values, how to study, how to critically think, and in that community of 16 hour a day training they MUST abide by strict guidelines. And someone who knows so much about inmate reform is going to complain that some have been dismissed . . . .???

This is not about some individual claiming they have "found God." Anybody can say that. . . . lots of politicians say things like that everyday. . . "I am sorry for the people I have hurt. . . blah blah blah." Give me a track record.

The fact is that IFI demands a minimum 18 month track record. And people complain. . .?? I smell a biased closed mind again! Good grief.

June 22, 2011 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

Yup- that is what the coalition is all about. Mentors are ANY volunteer, from ANY walk of life. It is not even "faith-based"! The effort INCLUDES ANY/ALL "faith-based" and all others. Its called an "open-minded" open public square.

I find it ironic that those who express the greatest passion for secularization are actually the most closed minded.

I look forward to seeing all these people who are so interested here spending their personal time and resources on these efforts.

I have to admit, I am pretty redneck and dumb, but the blatant blind ignorance of these comments of such supposed intelligent people is staggering.

June 22, 2011 at 10:41 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

The ENTIRE state- the Public Square- was invited! It was not a closed conference. Look forward to meeting you at the next coalition conference and local meetings.

June 22, 2011 at 10:23 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback pushes faith mentors for state prison inmates

I was at the conference. Brownback did NOT suggest faith-based mentors! This is an initiative of the ENTIRE state; law enforcement, DOC, DCCCA, treatment centers, educational inst., county jails, etc. etc. . . . and every other stakeholder in the state. They were all there- they ALL conducted seminars! This is about a open public square coalition. These same coalitions have been developed in other states with great success. We all look forward to many of you coming to volunteer your time and money in this effort.

For what it is worth- typical recidivism for prison inmates is 70-80% and costs our society millions. (This next year in KS, 5000 inmates will be released- 4500 will return to crime and prison) However, nationwide (and here in KS), for those thousands of inmates who become part of the Inner Change Freedom Initiative (The Prison Fellowship 18 month Re-entry program) the recidivism is less than 10% with less than 3% for first time prisoners. That means- if we had 5000 prisoners go through the program. . . you do the math. The success with the "flying spaghetti monster" is pretty amazing. Not even anything at a close 2nd! Hmmmm Further, most of the mentoring and work is accomplished by inmates and volunteers. No tax money needed. WOW. How novel is that?

What a sham that dumb and arrogant "flying spaghetti monster" people take credit for 95% of the works and service with the establishment of public education institutions, the hospitals most attend, current Katrina recovery, Inner City Renewal, the International Human Slave Trade, Prison Reform, Inmate Rehab, etc. etc. . I am really dumb, but I think it is a shame that we do not recognize the many atheist organizations, many diverse religions, and particularly those who comment on posts such as these for their sacrifice of so much personal time and money in such a humble and inconspicuous manner. Most of us have never noticed! The FSM people can learn from you I am sure.

June 21, 2011 at 10:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )