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Immigrant tuition law on trial

Hey, we already let illegals who steal social security numbers keep everything they contributed to social security if they manage to become citizens, so why not in-state tuition?

I'm going to go bang my head against a wall now.

September 28, 2006 at 12:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

Good point Ceallach.

I just wish the most emphasis had been placed on abstinence when I was in school. I have several friends and relatives who have to live the rest of their lives with an incurable STD. Whenever they meet a person they want to have a serious relationship with they have to go through the painful experience of telling the person about their std. THey have to worry and wonder if they will pass it on to their potential child. It is heartbreaking. Kids are taught about sex with the prevailing attitude of some of the above posters that "you are going to do it anyway because teens can't control themselves, so here's a condom, hope it doesn't fail and ruin your life, good luck." Teens need to be taught that it is possible and desireable to wait, that they are worth it, and about the joy of sharing sex for the first time with someone you love, and are comitted to. I wish someone had told my generation and the people I care about who are living with the consequences.

I hope I have at least made you guys think about Ab.Ed. You made some good arguments to the contrary, but my stance is the same (hey yours probably is too). Now I've got to get back to work. Have a nice day!

June 14, 2006 at 11:34 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

In most sex ed programs abstinence takes up four percent of the program - and telling kids "if you don't have sex you can't suffer the potential consequences" does not constitute abstinence education. It is telling kids the truth about the consequences, the real (and yes, real use statistics) about the failure rate of contraceptives, and then telling them how they can live their lives so as to delay sex until they are older and more "self-sufficient" as another poster put it.

June 14, 2006 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

I'm not sure what you are talking about - I know of no programs that DO NOT teach about condoms. You act as if abstinence ed pretends condoms don't exist. The programs cited in the journal articles used by the heritage article do not deny the existence of contraceptives.

I am not some pundit advocating for a particular point by point curricula - I think that the best thing for students is to be taught that abstinence is best and how to implement it in your daily life. This should be the center of a sex ed program, in my opinion.

June 14, 2006 at 11:21 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

bettie that is ridiculous - I am simply advocating promoting abstinence as the best method and teaching kids why that's so, and how to live in a way that would make abstinence more likely, etc., instead of promoting the use of condoms as the best method. I don't believe condoms are reliable enough to gamble our lives with and I don't believe sexual activity is good for children's mental and physical health.

June 14, 2006 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

"What is being proposed by the fundamentalist christians is to remove everything except abstinence education."

That is not true.

"Why do you decry programs that teach young people about condoms in several posts, but then claim in another that "abstinence ed" teaches kids about condoms?"

Decrying the programs you speak of is not decrying teaching about condom use in and of itself.

June 14, 2006 at 11:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

Why is it unreasonable to expect people, when given that facts about stds, pregnancies, and such, to want to wait? All teenagers are not incapable of being responsible. Are some? Yes, but there are some who wouldn't use condoms either. And I know this is the US and not Africa, but abstinence programs in Uganda have been greatly successful, lowering the HIV infection rate in young adults from 15% to 5%, in just 5 or so years.

June 14, 2006 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

I'm unsure as to what you are claiming I am lying about - if its about teaching kindergarteners about masterbation - look it up on seicus. As far as using the "real-use" stats instead of "lab use" stats - exactly HOW is this bad again? Do you have sex in a lab?

June 14, 2006 at 10:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

I love how because you don't advocate teaching children that it is good and almost risk free to engage in sexual activity as long as you have a small piece of latex between you and your partner, that you get labeled as "fundamental" and "Christian". As if thos e were the only people who supprt this curricula.

Those of you who visit the SEICUS site keep in mind that in their guidelines they want kindergarten children taught about masturbation. I feel comfortable surmising that most people find that repulsive.

June 14, 2006 at 10:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Abstinence-based plan for sex education is returning

Abstinence ed doesn't hide information from kids, it teaches about condoms and birth control. The difference is the emphasis is places on waiting until a committed adult relationship, usually marriage, to engage in sexual activity. If anything I'd say the other programs are "advocating for ignorance" - ignorance of the benefits of delaying sex.

June 14, 2006 at 10:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

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