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KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

Yea, a random user on a comment section full of wannabe try-hard GDI's is really proving a point about the Greek community as a whole. Go back to your dorm, buddy.

December 20, 2012 at 12:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

I don't know why you think sharing your stubborn and irrelevant opinions on a Lawrence newspaper website is going to affect the community in any way. Maybe you're too afraid to get out of your computer chair and do anything about it. Typically, there are two reasons for this type of behavior.

1. Either you are a GDI
or
2. You didn't get this type of behavior hazed out of you when you were in a house.

I feel bad for you either way.

December 19, 2012 at 8:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

Most houses don't force their pledges to drink or prevent them from showering. Obviously you don't have friends in fraternities and you are just making assumptions based on the rumors you've heard and the movies you've watched. Get a life.

And why does my comment have to be intelligent and serve a purpose? I could care less about how you value my comments on a newspaper website.

December 19, 2012 at 8:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

Someone's angry they didn't get a bid.

December 19, 2012 at 8:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

I'm not saying fraternities are trying to emulate hazing in the military. I have friends who have been through both the military and pledgeship, and they have all told me that the military is infinitely harder and the type of hazing is much worse. Fraternities and the military both haze for the same reason, but one is not trying to emulate the other. Coming in from high school to a fraternity, hazing is basically a slap in the face that however popular or athletic you were in high school, none of that makes any difference anymore. No one cares how cool you were in high school. If I hadn't experienced that, I guarantee you I would still be stuck in the group of kids from my high school that pledged the same house as I did. It wasn't to "prove loyalty", instead it successfully brought every person in my class onto the same level and made everyone realize that if we didn't work together, we wouldn't make it through pledgeship and even if we did, we would do a terrible job running the house in the future.

I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure it's like that in some fraternities, but that wasn't my experience at all. I know for a fact I'm never going to look back on it and think that it was stupid. It seems to me like you took a psychology class once and you think you have all the answers. While you have a cool theory, it's just not as simple as that. Maybe you should start by explaining why hazing works in the military, in the job place, in sports, but not in fraternities. Quite obviously, it has its benefits, but I know someone like you, even if you realized it, you would never admit it.

December 18, 2012 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

He left the subject off of the first clause. You can leave the subject off of an imperative clause as you did because "you" is an understood pronoun. This means that while "Read it again" is an independent clause, "Hope you stick with your studies" is not an independent clause. You are making a complete fool out of yourself.

December 18, 2012 at 8:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

Have you not considered the degree to which they have exaggerated the story being told? What happened was the turkey was tormented and someone kicked the cage too hard and its wing broke. The bird was obviously in a lot of pain so they put it out of its misery. They didn't kill it for fun. It would be so easy for the band members (who were sober) to pin something like this on drunk kids. It was a couple drunk idiots tormenting a bird. People who believe in the **** PETA believes in would have called the cops if it was a mouse. There are some crazy people out there

December 18, 2012 at 7:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

No, you're not unlike me. I am very familiar with this house and I know almost the entire junior and senior pledge classes. These kids did not mess with this turkey because they got yelled at for a couple months, while I know you probably get really excited about these psychological theories, you are incorrect. That is just like blaming the Connecticut shooting on video games.

Calling me "young man" how old are you anyway? You are some angry old alum coming back to try to spoil old traditions? And no, smartass, I have not pledged multiple fraternities, only one. Like I said I have many friends in Beta, but also all of those other houses I mentioned earlier. I know when someone is exaggerating, and I have a very good idea of what each pledgeship is like. I had a fairly rough pledgeship, including both physical and verbal abuse, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. It brought my pledge class together with the strongest bond possible.

None of these kids have ever experienced anything physical such as wall sits/bows and toes/paddling/other physical "activities" because even 3 years after my pledgeship the IFC has cracked down very hard. There are some houses that still do several things on that list. Beta does not. Beta is probably the best about hazing, limiting it to verbal abuse. Hazing brings people together, it gets rid of their cocky high school mentalities. It weeds out the emotionally weak who don't belong in a fraternity in the first place. Imagine the military without hazing. It would be terribly unstructured and it wouldn't produce strong, serious soldiers. Obviously there need to be limits on fraternity hazing to prevent physical harm from occurring, but other than that it should remain. The world is changing though, so regardless of either of our opinions, fraternities will be cracked down on to become "politically correct"

December 18, 2012 at 6:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU fraternity suspended by national organization in wake of animal cruelty allegations

That's a matter of opinion, buddy. Regardless of your idiotic rant, hazing is not the issue here so I was pointing out that it is not relevant to this article or the situation. Even if it were the topic of the article, Beta would be the last place I would start with to crack down on hazing. Also thanks for the offer, but I've got all my HR credits fulfilled. I suggest you consider taking English 101. A semicolon can only be used to join two independent clauses. Nice try though! Maybe next time you won't make yourself look like a complete idiot.

December 18, 2012 at 5:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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