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Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

If smoking bans are all about the workers (as they want you to believe) why does OSHA beg to differ?

OSHA's position on environmental tobacco smoke (ETS):

OSHA has no regulation that addresses tobacco smoke as a whole, 29 CFR 1910.1000 Air contaminants, limits employee exposure to several of the main chemical components found in tobacco smoke. In normal situations, exposures would not exceed these permissible exposure limits (PELs), and, as a matter of prosecutorial discretion, OSHA will not apply the General Duty Clause to ETS.

January 28, 2013 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

You really are fast asleep having no clue of how ever increasing laws, rules and regulations are stifling both the economy and the people, aren't you? Apart from your freedom to think as you feel and express it (for what good it does!) there are citizens under tyrannical rulers that have more freedoms to go on with their daily lives and businesses as they see fit than our so called western democracies. Oh sure they won't jail you for breaking most of these petty and less petty laws in the books but they will tax you and fine you till you bleed. And if you don't pay they WILL jail you in the end.

And yes, businesses are under a juggernaut of regulations mostly to suck taxes and fines out of them but none so absurd as to outright forbid them to cater to an adult clientele that consents to exercise a perfectly legal activity that nobody has to indulge in unless one wants to.

January 28, 2013 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Neither the hookah bar, the alcohol bar or the sushi bar belong to you or to the public and you are free to go or not go to any of them. What you're not free of doing is deciding how they run their business and to whose preferences they want to cater to providing it's within a legal frame. Unless of course you believe in a bully society where the state dictates the rules for everyone whether private or public. Is this the type of America you want to live in? Keep cheering totalitarian laws (just because they suit your preferences, for now) but remember how your mindless selfishness will have contributed to create the police state we are marching into steadily and surely.

January 28, 2013 at 5:54 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Oh yes, the classical argument from the anti-smoker playbook : it is not the smoker, it is the smoke. Much like saying that one has nothing against gays as long as they don't demonstrate their affection in front of me or my children, nothing against Muslims as long as they don't get on their knees and pray in my vicinity, nothing against fat people as long as they don't take up too much room beside me, but it still doesn't answer the question why private businesses that want to cater to such preferences, rituals, addictions, habits etc... should be prohibited from doing it.

January 28, 2013 at 5:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Huh huh. The Springfield bar my link points to has been operating successfully for the last 20 years and only started being poorly run right after the smoking ban which caused it to fold in. Oh these coincidences will never stop to amaze me ;-)

January 27, 2013 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

And neither does it answer why you think you can demand from government to coerce a private business to cater to YOUR preferences. Do you feel the same for sushi bars if you don't like sushi or do you just go to the nearest hamburger joint instead?

January 26, 2013 at 10:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Addiction, habit, perversion, it still doesn't answer why you need ALL the bars to yourself?

January 26, 2013 at 10:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Smoking and drinking go hand in hand. Many non-smokers smoke socially only when having a drink so the 80 - 20 ratio no longer applies when it comes to drinking establishments and it is no wonder it is those establishments that suffer the most from smoking bans. There is a biological explanation for this: Nicotine has the tendency to offset the effects of alcohol therefor people can hold more alcohol when they smoke and this is precisely why smoking is so prevalent in alcoholics. Look it up.

January 26, 2013 at 9:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Smokers indeed haven't, but neither have been intolerant anti-smokers and the fact that you could not find a non-smoking bar in Kansas (as you say) proves it. And although democratic values include looking after all minorities, the anti-smoker minority wants it ALL for themselves and with tons of money from government and Big Pharma they are winning. But I dare hope not for very long since an ever increasing number of people are waking up to the anti-smoker industry shenanigans.

January 26, 2013 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Study: Kansas' smoking ban hasn't affected business in restaurants, bars

Fresh off the press: One of so many examples of businesses closing because of smoking bans. http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_i...

January 26, 2013 at 5:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

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