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State education officials speak out against TABOR

"Colorado's growth rate is indistinguishable from the decade preceeding TABOR's enactment. "

That is simply not true. Kansas' and Colorado's growth rates were similar in the 1970s and 1980s. Colorado zoomed to the top post-1992. We can argue about whether TABOR caused the growth, but there is no argument that their growth rate boomed post TABOR.

Kansas has bigger job growth in the 1980s that Colorado. Both Kansas and Colorado were in the bottom ten in median family income growth.

And again, if you concern is the poor, why has Colorado's poverty rate dropped since 1992, while Kansas' has increased?

Here are facts about Colorado:

Median family income growth rank 1984 92, #43; 1992 04: #7

Job Growth rank 1984-92, #33; 1992-04 #6

Gross State Product growth rank, 1984 92: #36; 1992-2004, #4

GSP per capita growth 1984- 92, #43; 1992 2004: #3

Population growth 1984 1992: #19; 1992 2004, #3

Please tell me again that there is no difference in Colorado's growth before and after 1992?

October 21, 2005 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Bishop: Poverty is No. 1 social issue

Tell me how TABOR hurts the poor?

From a September 2005 U.S. Census report on poverty and income

Change in median income from 2003 to 2004

Colorado: increase of .3%
Kansas: decrease of 4.2%

3-year average poverty rate, from 2002 to 2004

Colorado: 9.8%
Kansas: 10.7%

Change from 03 to 04
Colorado: .1%
Kansas: .7%

October 20, 2005 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

State education officials speak out against TABOR

Who benefits from TABOR? The entire state.

Remember what TABOR does; it requires voter approval for tax increases and spending increases above the rate of inflation + population growth.

If the case can be made that the tax or spending increase is a good thing, I trust the Kansas citizens will make the best decision.

When arguments don't talk about the issue at hand, but "who benefits" and the benficiaries are the wealthy, that is class warfare.

If the wealthy in Kansas only cared about their bottom line, they would move to a lower tax state.

TABOR doesn't cut a thing; it manages the growth. Please tell me what was taken away from Colorado K12?

The poverty rate in Colorado is less than Kansas'. Does TABOR benefit the poor based on this?

I am not just referring to the comments on this board, but those of folks like Senator Bond.

Since Colorado passed TABOR in 1992, they've added thousands of more jobs than Kansas and higher paying jobs.

Those that think government is the best answer certainly will not like TABOR.

But, what is your answer for the sluggish Kansas economy? Higher taxes and more government spending?

I, and many TABOR supporters think that a tax and spending limit help everyone.

You may not agree, but to say that only the wealthy support and agree with this is pure nonsense.

October 20, 2005 at 8:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

State education officials speak out against TABOR

This is Alan Cobb.

I sidestepped nothing.

Is it really that hard to believe that our group receives support and funding from middle income, low income, doctors, nurses, teachers, school board members, businessmen, farmers and lots of other Kansans?

Where did the money come from that created the huge foundations supporting groups like Kansas Action for Children?

Reasonable people can disagree on whether they'd like to see a Taxpayer's Bill of Rights in Kansas.

Demonizing those who support TABOR or trying to use class warfare really doesn't add much to the discussion.

October 20, 2005 at 3:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )