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Sound Off: Armed guards in school

Does the Lawrence school district employ security guards, and have they considered placing armed guards in schools since the National Rifle Association recommended doing so?

Both the Lawrence school district and the Lawrence Police Department provide security officers at the two high schools in the district. School district spokeswoman Julie Boyle says the district employs six security guards (three at each high school) who are not armed. The district is currently on its winter break and has not yet had an opportunity for formal discussions since the NRA issued its recommendations. The Police Department provides two School Resource Officers (SROs) at each high school. Capt. Paul Fellers of the department’s Community Services Division says those officers are funded through the regular Police Department Budget as well as the city’s portion of the Special Alcohol Fund. He says when additional law enforcement officers are needed for various events that fall outside the regular school day, the school district hires additional sworn officers as needed. The SROs work with the other Lawrence schools as well. All law enforcement officers are armed during the performance of their assigned duties.


Smarmy_Schoolmarm 5 years, 2 months ago

Why would the district have any discussions at all based on NRA recommendations?

Angela Heili 5 years, 2 months ago

What about security at the elementary schools? Why aren't security officers there on a full time basis?

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 5 years, 2 months ago

I think all schools should have school resource officers (sworn peace officers) in light of the recent murders of children at a school in another state. I do not mean poorly trained rent a cops (security officers).

meatheadwisdom 5 years, 2 months ago

yes, sworn police officers who are on duty are required to be armed.

SnakeFist 5 years, 2 months ago

Keep in mind that of the last few attacks, one was in a mall which I assume had security, and one was in a theater which I assume did not. Unless you put armed guards on every corner of every street (which, as Ron Paul said, is not a place I would want to live), you'll have openings for disgruntled people with guns to quickly and easily kill lots of people.

If you put guards in the schools, your children will be attacked on the bus. If you put guards on the bus, your children will be attacked on the playground. If you put guards on the playground, you're children will be attacked at the zoo, etc etc etc. The solution of "more guns to fight guns" has failed and will continue to fail.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 2 months ago

And if the anti-gun nuts try to limit peoples ability to defend themselves with gun control, like in CT, all of the places you listed will be possible places of attack. At least with guards there is a deterrent. The fact is nearly all of the attacks have occurred in a "Gun Free Zone" which equals a Criminal Safe Zone. Gun Free Zones guarantee that no "good guys" will be able to defend themselves or your kids.

Bob Burton 5 years, 2 months ago

Most malls have "rent-a-cops" with no guns. The theater that the shooter picked was the 1 out of more than 10+ that had a "NO GUNS" sign. At Columbine the security shot @ the pair & then backed up to wait on the SWAT team to get there. People may have died during that time period. The cops are now trained to rush to the sound of the gunfire. They learned this from Columbine. At Sandy Hook, why did the cops that responded have to break in?? They should have had the code or keys for the school. To fix the problem leave the SRO's where they are now. Then get ride of the "NO GUNS" signs & allow the teachers that want to CCW do so. You have now removed the target sign from the schools.

lamenterms007 5 years, 2 months ago

ok well then THIS as well..Let me see if I get this straight.

20 dead children and 6 dead adults = no need for any armed personnel at school. right?

A couple of ambiguous emails at a news station that publishes personal information on who's a gun owner and who is not while busting numerous privacy issues and putting peoples individual safety aside = emergency requiring multiple armed guards placed at said business?

Takeaway = are journalists/elitist/ any one deemed important obviously more important than kindergartners and teachers? regardless, however , these hypocrites still seem to think that having a gun at the business is in fact now needed for their safety from non gun owners and gun owners alike who were pissed at having their information shared with every potential criminal out there. what example is out there as of now to suggest that having an armed guard at an establishment some how incurs more crime by default? i don't think i've even heard of one.

tomatogrower 5 years, 2 months ago

Actually, the whole country should be mapped that way. If this mother's house had been on a map, and someone pointed out that she was collecting lots of guns around a boy who wasn't emotionally stable, then maybe something could have been done. Wouldn't you like to know if your scary next door neighbor had guns? Why are you afraid of letting people know you have guns? I thought that would make people decide not to invade your home. The constitution may protect your right to own a gun, but it doesn't say anything about not letting others know you own a gun.

Uncle_Jerry 5 years, 2 months ago

The risk to the unarmed home is too much. Ask any former felon that broke into houses for a living. They are much more likely to break into a home that has been identified as not having a gun.

orbiter 5 years, 2 months ago

Of course, when there is a gun in the home the occupants are 22 times more likely to be injured in an unintentional shooting.

Uncle_Jerry 5 years, 2 months ago

Operator error. It's a risk some are willing to take and to deny that right is a far greater crime.

Cant_have_it_both_ways 5 years, 2 months ago

NEWSFLASH: Hardware store sold out of barn locks after the horse got out!

Deb Engstrom 5 years, 2 months ago

Because the NRA recommended it , is exactly why it should not be done. No guns in schools, please. It is still the safest place for kids to be in spite of the recent tragedy. Certainly more kids die in shootings on the streets and in their homes than in schools.

elliottaw 5 years, 2 months ago

If people are all that worried about it then home school your children and teach them to always be afraid, guns didn't really do much good when they were carried in NYC earlier this year and 9 people where killed because a gun fight broke out, news flash the "bad gun" did not kill a single on of those people, it was all done but the cops trying to shoot at one guy hiding in an ally. Maybe if there had been more guns on the street more people would have died.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

G, you are being overly critical. He said NYC.

KSManimal 5 years, 2 months ago

You should have continued your math for a per capita annual cost. If you had, you'd see that this would amount to about $30 per citizen per year.

Tracy Rogers 5 years, 2 months ago

One thing I think a lot of people are forgetting. After Columbine, many schools did start hiring resource officers/security guards for their schools. When the budget cuts started hitting about 6 years ago, those were usually the first things cut by many districts. Something to keep in mind the next time you hear about schools costing so much of our state budget.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 2 months ago

If they do, just home school your kids. It's safe at home.

Bob Burton 5 years, 2 months ago

tomatogrower, What if you look @ that map & see that your house is the only house on the block that doesn't have a gun. Are you going to feel good knowing that the bad guys are coming to your house when they get to your block because they will know you have no guns. You know nobody will be shooting back @ them.

Steve Jacob 5 years, 2 months ago

Yet people keep breaking into drug dealers houses when you know those guys have guns. If the map says they have a gun in the house, you know they have something worth stealing.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Anyone breaking in to one of those homes will be looking for guns. Thieves don't decide to break in or not based on whether they will get shot at, but whether they think anyone is at home and if there is something they want. Guns are popular with thieves.

I would cancel my subscription from that paper for showing such poor judgment.

Uncle_Jerry 5 years, 2 months ago

No guns in schools! This is the battle cry of politicians that send their kids to schools with armed security.

friendlyjhawk 5 years, 2 months ago

No teachers should be armed. Why burden a teacher with the need to be even more vigilant then we ask them to be in schools daily? The NRA suggestion so stupid that it shamed any good advice they might give. Do you think arming the coach, english teacher, art teacher or (insert any classroom teacher) with a weapon would not create a hostile work environment for teachers and students? Locked doors with bullet proof glass and serveillence cameras is more practical. So what if it takes a little longer to get into the buildings? If there there is fire kids and staff can easily open a door to leave.

Uncle_Jerry 5 years, 2 months ago

If you were to ask the teachers that died in Newtown if they would have reached for a firearm to defend those kids do you think they would answer yes or no?

The answer is yes...they would reach for it every time.

orbiter 5 years, 2 months ago

I love the idea of having some of my former teachers armed! 1. the one that attacked another for getting with his wife. 2. the three (known) drunks 3. the little weirdo English teacher with the Vietnam fetish (too young too have been in Nam) 4. the one that was fired for harassing female students.

Uncle_Jerry 5 years, 2 months ago

I'm not advocating that teachers should carry guns...just pointing out that if one ever wishes that they had access to a gun no matter how improbable the scenario....why deny that right to someone else? It's not consistent. I think that most people under the same situation as the teachers in Newton would grab the gun every single time.

Uncle_Jerry 5 years, 2 months ago

I should say some politicians.

Members of the media too. David Gregory and I am sure many others.

Some politicians get armed security and even Feinstein had/s a conceal and carry for guess what.....self defense.

Maddy Griffin 5 years, 2 months ago

Child-proof caps were used long before the tainted Tylenol incident. They were invented to protect children.Unfortunately any nut who wants to do damage will find a way.

James Minor 5 years, 2 months ago

I can see it now in the Journal World. "Teen prankster approaches security guard with a prank gun made out of a soap". Security guard screams, pushes kids out of the way and runs out of the school. The students recall him screaming save yourself, noticed he messed on himself, and everyone knew his NRA tattoo was fake!!!

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

I am paraphrasing a letter to the editor I read today in AZ:

The NRA promotes guns because guns help people protectect themselves, in part, from their government. Now that people are armed and a potential danger they say the solution is to arm our government, by arming teachers in our public schools. Well isn't that a convenient circle of gun ownership.

Need further proof that the NRA is there to protect the rights of gun manufacturers?

Maddy Griffin 5 years, 2 months ago

Good luck protecting yourself from the most advanced military on earth. If our government ever goes rogue, being armed won't help us.

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

G, you are correct. 70 million armed but unorganized citizens against our military would have no chance. None. Zero. Zilch. Do you really believe that all 70 million would be on the same side? Please. Half would be on the side of the government, which ever side of the red/blue divide the government was on at the time.

Are you really going to take up arms to be on the side of extremist conservatives, for example? Didn't think so.

In_God_we_trust 5 years, 2 months ago

The gun manufactures should be protected. If not, who will people buy guns from when they need them? We should support the NRA and Gun Owners of America.

Jim Phillips 5 years, 2 months ago

After reading most of these comments, I have one rhetorical question to ask those of you who fear guns. If something like Sandy Hook happens in one of the Lawrence schools where your child goes, will you sue the school district for not providing adequate protection to your child?

beatrice 5 years, 2 months ago

Guardian, when a teacher's gun accidentally goes off (is mishandled in a handbag or desk) will you be sueing the teacher, or the well-financed school and school district for allowing the teacher to come to school armed? After all, when you compare child deaths by attacks and those killed by accidents, you will find that accidents are far more frequent.

It isn't a matter of being afraid of guns, it is being fearful of the people handling the guns. Guns don't kill people, people handling guns kill people ... so lets put those people near our children. Sincerely, the NRA

Jonathan Fox 5 years, 2 months ago

So far after reading all these comments I see two sides so far. One, arm teachers or have police officers with guns in schools. The other side as far as I can tell is either saying get rid of all guns (which is realistically impossible to achieve) or having a emotional reaction to something someone has said or simply attempting to refute something someone has said.

So far, one side of this argument has presented possible solutions. The other has not.

I welcome anyone who is anti-gun (and has some time on their hands) to read what this link has to say.

I welcome any counter-arguments to be relayed from what this man has to say who is far more knowledgeable than me (and so far knows a lot more than everyone else here as well).

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