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Sound Off: It appears two people are living in trailers parked on Massachusetts Street in front of South Park and the police station. Can you please explain the legality of this situation?

In nonresidentially zoned areas of Lawrence, such as the strip of parking on Massachusetts Street in front of South Park, city ordinances allow people to park large vehicles — defined as a vehicle more than 20 feet long and 8 feet tall — for 48 hours at a time. So, as long as the trailers are moved every two days, it’s legal. Last November, the Journal-World printed a feature story on two people living in such structures. The article can be found here.

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Eride 2 years, 8 months ago

If you are going to insist on posting this garbage article every day, at least start posting the NAMES of the individuals submitting questions. I think that might solve the problem of idiotic questions.

grimpeur 2 years, 8 months ago

If KR doesn't buy it, I will. Let's eat grampa.

headdoctor 2 years, 8 months ago

It wont solve anything. Registered posters have been trolling and posting idiotic comments all along.

parrothead8 2 years, 8 months ago

You could find out if you read the part of the answer that said, "The article can be found here."

Rick Aldrich 2 years, 8 months ago

And I bet their protected by some idiotic law that says I can park my pile of crap where ever I want. That is as long as its not on the grass.

kef104 2 years, 8 months ago

Should THERE be a special part of town for people to park THEIR "crappy" vehicles or is it permissible for less desirable vehicles to be parked where ever THEY'RE owners are able to locate a safe space?

GardenMomma 2 years, 8 months ago

They're = they are. I don't think you used the word correctly in the end of your sentence there. Good try though.

liberallibrarian 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes, please- if you are going to correct someone's grammar or spelling, you should probably make sure you're using the correct spelling yourself.

kef104 2 years, 8 months ago

You are absolutely correct. I changed it and messed up. That is what happens when I was really trying to be humorous about something. I meant to remove "owners. are" My apologies to all.

kef104 2 years, 8 months ago

Should THERE be a special part of town for people to park THEIR "crappy" vehicles or is it permissible for less desirable vehicles to be parked where ever THEY'RE able to locate a safe space?

Benthic 2 years, 8 months ago

Kef your post was a total failure. Go away.

deec 2 years, 8 months ago

Yes, god forbid someone should not owe a bank on a mortgage or a landlord rent every month. How dare they live a simple life free of utility bills. end sarcasm

coloradoan 2 years, 8 months ago

Or worse, maybe it's their only option after being evicted in a foreclosure? Things are tough out there for sure.

Benthic 2 years, 8 months ago

And park their ugly piece of sh#t in front of a park. Get a job, get a life and get a real residence. If that were parked on the street in front of your residence day after day, I doubt you would like it.

SofaKing 2 years, 8 months ago

I vote to have South Park renamed South Trailer Park.

Rick Aldrich 2 years, 8 months ago

then relocate them and their MOBILE homes to a trailer park then.

asixbury 2 years, 8 months ago

Then they would have to pay lot rent. That is what the people are trying to avoid. If you read the article, they are trying to live as simple of a life they can, not owing anyone anything.

John Hamm 2 years, 8 months ago

Ooops. Not "Mobile" Motor Homes.... There is a difference.

Rick Aldrich 2 years, 8 months ago

2nd thought lets all us working rent & house paying idiots move to Mass street, heck free rent i can dig it.

jjt 2 years, 8 months ago

Long vehicle, in one case its a van and a trailer, not a vehicle, like say a semi. Also what is the bucket for, and does the bucket break a code somewhere? If it is what I think it is for then using the bucket in a public park area has to be against something.

guess_again 2 years, 8 months ago

My question has always been "what is in the bucket and where does it go?" Glad someone else noticed.

Rick Aldrich 2 years, 8 months ago

in my eyes it's a slap in the face by our judicial system. i use to enjoying taking my daughters to that park to play and walk around the park. Now! not a chance. i think the redneck scenery makes me and my children feel uncomfortable. so keep up the great work low lifes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

parrothead8 2 years, 8 months ago

That seems to say more about you than about the guy living in the trailer.

Scott Morgan 2 years, 8 months ago

Those guys are not rednecks. They are ultra lib

Rae Hudspeth 2 years, 8 months ago

It IS uncomfortable to be witness to a homeless veteran. You've missed a teaching opportunity for your daughters... the freedom to be so judgmental has been secured for you by guys like him. What a shame that America can't take good enough care of its own veterans.

geekin_topekan 2 years, 8 months ago

"i think the redneck scenery makes me and my children feel uncomfortable." ++++ Get back to us when you know for sure.

Matthew Herbert 2 years, 8 months ago

just teach your kids to ignore poverty and it will go away.

kernal 2 years, 8 months ago

touringdriver, speaking of a slap in the face, read this:

http://www.nchv.org/background.cfm

livinginlawrence 2 years, 8 months ago

To all who are on here making snide remarks about the individuals' whose RVs are often seen parked on Mass. St.:

Please explain what it is about the RVs being parked where they are that offends you so. Exactly what makes you feel certain that you are any better than these folks?

Could it be that the true problem lies in the way you perceive these individuals?

Eride 2 years, 8 months ago

Apparently certain individuals would rather the people living in the RVs live homeless on Mass St. instead.

Can't argue with people like that. Just have to let them continue to live in their delusion.

tanaumaga 2 years, 8 months ago

What I would like to know is what is in those buckets? Human waste? Or are they storing paint outside the homes?

Charlie Sabotage 2 years, 8 months ago

Who care's and does anyone actually know anything about the individual's who "live" in those vehicles? Did they cause trouble or were they snatching children from the park? Really, just something else for people with nothing else to do (except correct other people's grammar) to complain about. Oh, humanity.

pace 2 years, 8 months ago

We need the government to step in and make it illegal to even own a vehicle that offends anyone. Of course then all those SUVs would have to be tarped.

Jock Navels 2 years, 8 months ago

actually, i asked the dude that lives in one of tee RV like thingys and he told me he has a nice house in a neighborhood that has a covenant against parking RVs and boats in driveways, so he has to park it on mass street where it's cool.

grammaddy 2 years, 8 months ago

It's okay as long as they don't wear hoodies or carry "Occupy" signs.

geekin_topekan 2 years, 8 months ago

I am offended by all those foreign cars parked on Mass street every single day. They park in front of the police station ta boot. WHere is the law?

Gary Anderson 2 years, 8 months ago

IF Jesus ever returns, and only God knows why he would, he will return in the form of a homeless man wearing rags. This is what I believe. I paid a Vietnam era veteran's electric bill this weekend to keep his lights on. I am unemployed living in a mobile home park. Will he pay me back? I don't know and I don't care. What did you do this weekend?

BobEllis 2 years, 8 months ago

things were going pretty well ... then all the good people came along

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

This guy has a bucket hanging on the back of his "home" that appears to be his toilet. There has to be at least 25 health code violations in and around that thing. The guy is a nuisance.

deec 2 years, 8 months ago

Name them. What are the 25 codes he is breaking?

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

is it ok to store your excrement and urine in a plastic bucket hanging from the side of your vehicle? I'd think that would violate some law. I'd it doesn't, that law needs to get on the books ASAP.

guess_again 2 years, 8 months ago

Saving your foot in a bucket is apparently OK.

Kendall Simmons 2 years, 8 months ago

We won 2nd prize for our "Pot of Gold" float :-)

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

and where does he dispose of said waste? Does be just dump it in the street?

Rick Aldrich 2 years, 8 months ago

Didn't they use to call them squatters ?

red66060 2 years, 8 months ago

It has absolutely nothing to do whether they are homeless or not, it has to do with the fact that the public park is not a public campground!! There are many campgrounds all over that they can park and live without any offense to anyone else. Why do they feel it's necessary to live at the park in the first place, because they find it easier to see how many feathers they can ruffle instead of finding a less active place to park their vehicles and live so freely. I have no desire to help people who are not willing to help themselves!

Scott Morgan 2 years, 8 months ago

Why doesn't everybody understand this? The goof could pull his shamble to a side street and hardly anybody would mind.

tanaumaga 2 years, 8 months ago

My thought was they were parking by the free showers in the community building.

SofaKing 2 years, 8 months ago

The trailers are beyond ugly. The park is pretty. The ugly trailers are in the way of the pretty park. That's all it is.

Patricia Davis 2 years, 8 months ago

I think think should not be viewed as a class or classless act. The bucket brigade needs to be investigated as a public health issue.

deec 2 years, 8 months ago

I'd guess a bucket of human waste spreads a lot less germs and parasites than piles of dog,raccoon, cat, cattle, pig, bird, squirrel etc. waste that just lays there on the ground. Porta-potties are essentially giant buckets of sewage in a box. I'll bet he dumps his buckets in a toilet, like at the public toilet in South Park. Then the waste can be bleached and treated and dumped back in the water we drink.

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

Let's just do away with plumbing all together since animals already go outside.

What a dumb series of posts you've made on this topic.

deec 2 years, 8 months ago

Personal attacks certainly aren't an effective argument in your favor, The people in question are violating no laws. You claimed they were likely violating "at least 25 health code violations" yet when challenged you could not name one. I pointed out their sewage joins your sewage in the treatment plant when it is most likely dumped in the public toilet. Animal waste does, in fact, spread parasites and bacteria, A bucket of excrement that is appropriately disposed of in a toilet is no more a public hazard than your leavings are in a porta pot or your very own personal toilet. Your waste is treated and dumped back into the water supply; the solid treated waste is spread on fields, You've made no rational reply to anything I've posted, yet you call my posts "dumb".. Why are you so offended that someone is not paying rent or a mortgage?

CHEEZIT 2 years, 8 months ago

Its their summer home! Their winter home is a van down by the river!

Mike Ford 2 years, 8 months ago

the immortal Genghis Khan looking dude on the skateboard rules!!!!!! as does the mick mars looking dude with the crazy beard and the bike and trailer.....

tanaumaga 2 years, 8 months ago

I've got a bike, and I'm complaining. Remember that.

red66060 2 years, 8 months ago

What it boils down to is not whether it's a pretty RV or whether they are homeless or not!! The fact of the matter is it's a public park not a public campground!! There are places meant for camping and it's not in the middle of town and I don't even live here and it bothers me!!!

Ace Cleaning 2 years, 8 months ago

The demographics in Lawrence is what we should talking about not what’s in the bucket. Lawrence has some of the highest housing cost in the state as well as some of the highest percentage of people living in poverty. The guys living in Campers collecting disability on Mass are working just as hard as the trust funders in West Lawrence.

red66060 2 years, 8 months ago

Totally irrelevant to the fact about where they are choosing to park their living quarters!! It has nothing to do with the cost of living or the stupid buckets!! It's a public park not a campground!!!

asixbury 2 years, 8 months ago

What does it matter what vehicle is parked next to the park? Does it in any way prevent you from going to the park? Using the park facilities? Boohoo...get something better to complain about.

red66060 2 years, 8 months ago

It would be different if it was parked next to the park, not someone residing in the vehicle. It's, to me, considered a residence not a parked vehicle and if the rest of us have to pay rent or mortgage to reside somewhere, why don't they!

deec 2 years, 8 months ago

The crux of the matter is everyone who is complaining about people living freely wishes they were doing the same. The campers are legally parked in parking spaces, so it is really no one's business that they are living in their vehicles. I wonder how many of the irate people would be so upset if the campers were quarter million dollar RV's.

red66060 2 years, 8 months ago

Like I have clearly stated before, I don't give a darn what it looks like, if it was laced with diamonds, that's not the place for it - PERIOD!

asixbury 2 years, 8 months ago

Oh, so you’re jealous of them not being attached to rent or a mortgage! Your anger makes since now. You are not required to live like you do either. You can always join them at the park.

It does not in any way keep people from enjoying the park. My family from out of town noticed those campers. They did not think anything of it; they were just wondering if there was some event in town that would attract campers. I told them the story behind it; they thought the campers were clever for beating the system.

They are not a nuisance. The one guy in the grey trailer is actually quite entertaining when playing his guitar and singing. The bucket is used for donations, by the way. I asked. The guy is not so scary when you view him as just another human.

somedude20 2 years, 8 months ago

Yeah, the other member of the CCC (Campers Could Careless) parks his ride in the church parking lot around 22nd and Mass. I will see it parked in the free lot behind Harbor Lights sometimes so it seems like he gets around (I believe it is the black dude who plays the buckets) and that is good for him. If I were in that position, I would want some privacy as well. I bet the last few weekends have been filled with drunks beating on those dude's home. Is trying to make people angry worth it? Not unless you really are trying to make a point. Keep in mind that there folks living right here in Lawrence in giant houses that they got by cheating on their taxes or pulling a Madoff or the many other ways that allow for it and that irks me more than some bum who is angry and parks in a parking spot at a public park

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

I think it's time for the city to revisit the 48 hour parking ordinance.

red66060 2 years, 8 months ago

And that's another thing!! It says 48 hour parking not 48 housing!

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

If they don't change the law I might as well sell my home and buy one of those luxury buses. I could have a downtown loft right on Mass. I'll even have indoor plumbing, satellite TV and a/c. Whose with me?

pace 2 years, 8 months ago

I would like to see some of the nasty toward all but the in step sell their homes and leave. You are welcome to your feelings, just be prepared for some to find them repugnant . Not enough people even consider, minding their business. I don't mean that you shouldn't have feelings, just consider, is it really hurting you? is it a burden on your soul that someone makes different choices than you want them to? Or are you personalizing what anyone else says or does as some sort of affront to your belief system? Mind your own business is not easy but like any virtue, it is worth practicing.

asixbury 2 years, 8 months ago

+1 Good ridden to all the repugnant haters.

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

I wonder how these two are going to enjoy hearing my generator all day/night and the smell of my diesel burning. They'll think they're really clever then.

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

I can just hear the police complaint now, "officer, I'm trying to sleep but there's a loud smelly engine running"

Cop "where are you?"

Camper Dude "on Mass"

Cop "goodbye"

Flap Doodle 2 years, 8 months ago

In days of old When knights were bold And toilets not invented They'd drop their load By the side of the road And go away contented.

Haiku_Cuckoo 2 years, 8 months ago

I'll bet some of the people embracing this turd-wagon complained about the aesthetics of the Hobbs-Taylor lofts or the new apartment building on New Hampshire.

pace 2 years, 8 months ago

So what if you don't like the aesthetics of Hobbs-taylor Lofts. Don't live there. I like it but there are buildings I don't like, my prejudice is poorly built structures rather than pretty or ugly.

asixbury 2 years, 8 months ago

Waa, waa, waa...boohoo...complain, complain, all about stupid things. Get a life!

JackMcKee 2 years, 8 months ago

I drove by these yesterday and noticed the bucket was gone. Methinks these people read and post on this forum (probably under multiple aliases and from the free library computers). More than likely, every single post in favor of the vile lifestyle of these vagrants in either one of them or someone planning on joining them.

deec 2 years, 8 months ago

Um no. I am buying a house on Nebraska. Try again. You are so angry about this; perhaps you are jealous that you are tied to a mortgage.

50YearResident 2 years, 8 months ago

About this 48 hour parking rule, how long do you have to vacate the space before you can come back and re-claim the same spot? Are these two campers just exchanging spots at the end of the 48 hours? Here is the solution. Have two other local people with nice looking campers take the spots when the squaters have to vacate in 48 hours. Rotate these campers for several 48 hour cycles and see what becomes of the two ugly squater vehicles. Where will they go then? Will they come back?

Aiko 2 years, 8 months ago

I noticed on Sunday the City provides them with a house/car wash with the lawn sprinklers.

shanep 2 years, 8 months ago

That's Rob O and Old Nirvana. Both great characters. You should talk to them some time.

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