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Oh heavens, wait'll the cuzzins get aholt of this'un...
And one more thing, if off-topic: my trail cameras have recorded a quantum leap in deer activity the past 3 days and I damn near plowed one near Vinland tonight. Be careful out there.
We had to stop for a big buck on 59 between Oskie and Hwy 24 yesterday. Then had a doe run across 92 in front of us on the way home last night. They're sure stirred up about something.
What is the point?
I know for all of us, it began with Adam and Eve.
To me it's trivial who came in between them and me.
Who did Cain and Abel marry?
Well, they obviously must have had sex (and children) with either their mother or their unnamed sister(s). Or both.
If someone who believes literally in the Bible can talk their way out of that one, I'm sure they can 'rationalize' away your question, too :-)
("It's OK to have sex with your mother/sister as long as you marry her" comes to mind.)
I like stories about fictional characters...
Doesn't even evolution teach that we all started with two people at one point?
WHATS THE POINT?? THE POINT IS THAT IT IS INTERESTING, IF NOTHING ELSE. MY LATE MOTHER WAS REALLY INTO THIS. IT WAS HER HOBBY. I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS HAVE HOBBIES THAT WOULD SERVE THE "WHATS THE POINT" REMARK. IF ONE IS NOT INTERESTED, O.K., WHAT IS THE POINT?
IN OUR FAMILY, ON MOMS SIDE, WE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE MAYFLOWER. WE KNOW WHO MADE THAT JOURNEY. SINCE I DO LIKE HISTORY, I FIND THIS VERY INTERESTING.
ON DADS SIDE, WE HAVE IT BACK TO ABOUT 75 TO 100 YEARS PRIOR TO THE CIVIL WAR. I ALSO FIND THIS VERY INTERESTING.
IF YOU FIND THE FAMILY TREE USELESS, THAT IS FINE. JUST DO NOT WASTE TIME POSTING, AND LET US THAT DO RATTLE ON.
Perhaps mr right wing's family history is embarassing?
That really doesn't make any difference. Go back far enough and you'll find you're related to somebody famous. You'll also find that at some point we're all related to horse thieves as well. If Mr. RW is embarrassed by his family though, my guess is that it's because he's related to some famous Communist. or Socialist. Being descended from Karl Marx isn't something a fanatical right winger would want to admit.
My mom has traced back to the 1500's. I'm so proud of all the hard work she did to get that info!
I like the way you think, Mr. Getto. I would love to learn more about he "freakish" Eve. Can you direct me to some materials to read?
Wikipedia has some decent information about Mitochondrial Eve, and there have been at least a few programs on PBS and the Discovery Channel about her.
Thanks smarty, but I prefer to avoid Wikipedia, and don't always have the time to watch TV. Looking for a bit more intellectual reading on the subject.
If mitochondrial Eve's equivalent were alive today, with an even bigger brain than current-day humans, she would be called an "elitist" by tea partiers for being smart and would probably be stoned to death by "birthers."
we al be cuzins but i cant talk boutit
Most people cannot name their 8 great grandparents. Family history has been one of my hobbies for the past 18 years; over 230,000 names (including dates, stories, locations, military service, etc.) included. Only about 5,500 of that number are direct ancestors. I started for an awkward reason (death of a 19 year old son I did not want forgotten). It has turned me into a history nut! Wish I knew back then (hs and KU) what I know now about history...those history classes would have been a breeze! When you see history through the eyes of your ancestors, it carries much more of a meaning in terms of how it applies in today's world.
Great great (repeat 80 time) grandpa Snap helped mash the taters for the Last Supper.
My grandfather has traced us back 2 or 3 generations before the Mayflower...the family tree he gave me is pretty amazing to look at...
My uncle is doing a very extensive one right now. My great aunt used to work for immigration so she did one a long time ago. We have a record back until about the 1400's in Ireland and Scotland. Pretty cool.
Back to Abe Lincoln on my wife's side.
My 5th great grandfather Mathis Gantz (mothers side) came to Lawrence in 1883 after 30 days at sea and they settled in Willow Springs. My dad's mom's side of the tree, my other 5th great grandfather Gabriel Madison is second cousins the James Madison the 4th president of the U.S. His Brother George Madison fought in St. Clair's defeat and lived to fight again and went on to become Gov. of Ky.
I'm still digging back both sides of the family., but I've got back the 1700's on the Madison line easy to do when a lot of it was done via the presidency of Madison history.
I descend from one of Madison's nephews (see below). It's interesting to me that, in his will, Madison left substantial sums to all of his nephews as he had no direct heirs. As Madison had some, what you might call "reversal of fortune" before he died, Dolly bankrupted herself fulfilling those bequests but she felt duty bound to do so.
In fact it's amazing to me just how many of the "founding fathers" died bankrupt.
I am afraid to really get into it, I might find I am related to some of you!
You probably are!
My paternal grandparents from Ireland and Italy are both deceased and my father didn't even know where they were from in their respective countries or the full names of his grandparents. It wasn't until the Ellis Island records became available that I was able to trace the home of my grandmother in Italy, but that is as far as I have ever been able to get.
SpeedRacer, before WWI & WWII, churches in small European villages were often the ones who kept records of marriages, births and deaths. Since you know the name of the town, if it is still a relatively small town, perhaps you could write to the local church for any records they may have of her name, her parents, etc. Who knows, you may have cousins there!
i gots a cuzin what helpt ole Leonardo with teh sisteen chappell onle he wernt no painter he fetched samwitches an bilt scaffolding kind of a gopher i gess but later my kin al gots deportted for verrious transgressyuns an i gess we is kinda cajuns but i cant talk boutit
oops maek thet "Michelangelo"
I'm a direct descendant of a signatory of the Declaration of Independance on one side of the family (George Ross, Betsy's first cousin) following back to the 14th century in Scotland to The Earl of Ross in the Castle of Balnagown, as well as a Captain in George Washington's Continental Army, . On that same side, there is a vein of American Native blood that gets lost quickly. All I know is that it's one of the tribes of the Iroquois Nation. Records are scarce in that branch, sadly.
On the other side, my great grandfather played in the Sherwood Forest as a child before moving from Nottingham to the US as a teen. That branch is connected to Col. Paul Tibbetts (later Brigadier General Tibbets) who piloted The Enola Gay over Hiroshima. A lot of American History in my family.
I can trace back to slavery. At that point, your research is about looking for a bill of sale, not a birth certificate.
My sister, building on work started by our aunt, has traced our family back 8 to 10 generations. I know that I am a direct descendant of one of James Madison's nephews (he and Dolly had no children) and my great grandfather was named "Madison" in his honor. One line has also been traced back to Rhys ap Thomas, a supporter of Henry VII in the Wars of the Roses. Because of his stunning victory at Bosworth, along with Henry, he was awarded substantial lands in Wales.
I'm a history fanatic and find the whole process fascinating for that reason.
Truth is, though, if you go back far enough sooner or later you'll find that you're related to somebody famous. It just simply works that way. Has to do with the whole "8 degrees of separation" thing, if I recall correctly.
Interesting, I have a complete Madison tree what is your GG's full name? PM me if you don't want public. Would be interesting to compare notes.
Indeed it would! I'll have to get the info from my sister. I'll PM you the lines we have.
I can trace the important part back to November 10, 1775
A Marine's Marine, huh?
Rollo (AKA Robert first Duke of Normandy- born 870, died 932) is as far as I've been able to go in a direct line with any degree of certainty. I haven't counted but I'd say he was my 32nd or 33rd great-grandfather. I'm also kin to James Madison....a direct ancestor was his brother. Must be something about Lawrence that causes us to congregate here.
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