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Obama made the right decision.
Speculate all you want, we have to find middle the middle ground and do what is best for the American people regardless of what the Tea Party or the Sierra Club thinks about it.
I think this is the best decision for the American people.
The Gub'munt needs money to pay for all the Gub'munt Cheez they've been giving away.
Best new revenue source? Drill for oil, then tax the living sheep-dip out of anyone who uses it.
Yes, We Can, Drill, Baby, Drill !
We have a lot of natural resources at home. We have more natural gas than the Middle east (Russia does too). It'll be interesting to see if that becomes an issue for nations to fight over at some point. Others here, more knowledgeable than I might be able to speak on that.
If McCain would have been elected, and proposed the same deal, the poll results would be entirely different.
I have always supported more drilling. We need to do whatever we can to lessen our dependance on foreign oil.
Needless to say, we need to use less oil.
"... by voting against what the people they were elected by to represent actually wanted."
My apologies to the grammar gods. That is one bad sentence!
I have no problem with his decision. It will help us become less dependent on foreign oil at the moment. However, long term we need to seriously invest in alternative energy and figure out what will be most sustainable for us as nation.
Let's wait and see if Obama still supports this a year from now. I bet not.
And I thought Tiger was the only one who followed the "drill, baby, drill" advice.
"Well now that Obama is for it the GOP will be against it"
Wanna bet? And I must say it's incredibly sad, vertigo, that you prefer to refer to conjecture rather than calling this complete reversal for what it is. This was a main platform of the GOP, everyone running on the left, including the President, vehemently opposed it, but whoops.............NOW it's prudent?! Peel the onion and all we get with this move is more proof that our "leaders", regardless of party affiliation, are much more concerned with party, power, and their own jobs dependent solely on what polls for whom at what time. The People are merely pawns, and obviously willing ones at that. Someone remarked this isn't a 'flip-flop'; they're right. But he didn't "change his mind" either. The left knew this was the proper way to go and it's been put off for far too long. But it was more effective to rail against it on the way to the White House a year ago.
This is pure politics: disingenuous from the start. Don't focus on their lips 'cuz the words are emanating from their cracks.
And the saddest part? Wouldn't be any different if the GOP won last year. Campaign promises are as aromatic as farts on the wind. The only plus is they don't linger that long. 'Course, that's what these clowns are counting on.
Our system isn't broken, folks. It's demolished.
Well, I too have a problem with cap and trade. IMHO the process is too punitive. If we have a national goal of reducing carbon emissions then it should be a national effort - no part of the country should be hurt more then any other by that effort. If we have to give up coal plants in the national interest then we should not get waxed by the costs - everyone should bear them.
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Moderate (George Lippencott) says…
Is there something wrong with that?
For the Dems and their plan, no, a very shrewd move by Obama. He is finally working his plan as expected. The Reps have yet to put together a real strategy and come to consensus on a platform that returns to their roots. With no real candidate for POTUS on the horizon, I predict an minor shift this November and 4 more years for Obama come 2012. If the Reps can leverage the TP movement they will have a shot. Fat chance.
As far as Cap and Trade, one more railroad spike driven into the face of the working class. Gore and co. will benefit, no energy independence and higher costs for all.
Why wouldn't I?
TacoBob (anonymous) says…
jajacut (anonymous) says…
They are supposed to oppose him - they are the opposition! Would be nice if opposition took the form of rational dialogue rather than "Bush Drinks" or "Obama is not a citizen". At times it reads like a bunch of poorly educated adolescence on here. I am not pointing at you.
I think this is an April Fool to the Republicans that hate everything he does no matter what. This makes them all confused.... Obama is baaad! Wait.... I wanted this......now what do I do? How can I make this a negative? Now I have to try to save the environment? I've never gave a crap about it before. Oh well that sucks! Now I have to be on Gore's side?
change the headline to read Bush (or any other right wing figure) and the numbers would drastically flip in the polls.
Cap and Tax won't be far behind !! Just another smoke screen...
Pickens can run for prez if wants to...lord knows he's got the money to finance a campaign...
You're kidding yourself if you think that Pickens isn't trying to get even richer off of his own plan.
Drilling for oil is all well and good, and I'm glad he changed his mind. I'd be a lot happier if he supported the Pickens Plan though. We should transition motor vehicles smaller than a semi-tractor trailer to Compressed Natural Gas. We are the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. You can take it right out of the ground and burn it in. No refinery needed. For the same energy in a gallon of gasoline, CNG costs about 25% less, and that percentage only increases as oil rises in price, plus burning CNG it vehicles puts a fraction of the polution in the air. We should keep the oil in the gournd and wait for to hit $200-300 a barrel and then pump it. Offer some tax incentives to off-set the initial capitol investment needed to put in the refuleing infrastructure. When the rest of the world is starving for crude oil, we can sell it at a premium. By then we'll need it to help pay off our national debt.
BTW Jimo - you assume this annoucement is going to make a difference with moderate swing voters. You assume correctly - it will. It will not make enough of a difference at the polls this Novemeber however. Nukes, coal, and oil policy annoucements do not improve unemployment rates, nor do they conceal the effects of massive new deficit spending.
Drill here, drill now!
This move has only one purpose - to lay the ground work for Cap and Trade. All part of a strategy, and designed to leverage the latest successes of the White House.
I have a simple solution. Those who want off oil now - today - can sign up and they will be cut. Those of us who think it may just take a while to change our ways will continue to get oil for heating cooling, transportation, medicine and so on. It is just plain stupid to buy it from unstable third world countries when we have it here.
Once again we have relatively ignorant ideologues demanding sacrifice from everyone else on an irrational time line and with at best a glimmer of a notion of what will ultimately solve the problem and how we can rationally get there without destroying our economy. Darwin bless us!!
...lordy, talk about yer political and social "litmus test"...I'm impressed...but then, I'm old and that's sorta easy to do...
Flip-floppin'....that reminds me of Vampire in Brooklyn! It's in the first 10 mins of the movie.
"And, no he is not flip-flopping, people do change their minds. There is nothing wrong with that."
You are the first person to bring up flip-flopping yet...nobody has used those words, so no need to defend him...
What IS the plan?
Do we get to see it before we vote ... or, rather, deem it passed?
Obama's good at this game!
Wow. Obama again provides cover to Democrats by backing drilling and nukes and coal and thereby traps the GOP into a hopeless situation -- be reasonable, moderate, and practical by embracing these long-held Republican positions and encur the fire of the partisans or continue down the Party of Hell No path and see the mass of middle of the road swing voters abandon the GOP. How did Democrats manage to be so lucky as to find this guy?
Wow, it's so easy to scam this town.
Zippy isn't opening up drilling anywhere. The only place with proven reserves is to be 'studied' and sent over for congressional approval (with no chance of passing). The places with plenty of oil are still off limits.
This is a step backwards. I'm disappointed in this decision.
Well, I gotta say, I sure don't like much about this President. I didn't vote for him, and never would vote for him. That all being said,
Heck yes I support his wish to drill for oil in the US of A. About time. It makes me sick to my stomach knowing that we are pumping boatloads of money into the economy of the very nations who hate us the most. Bout time we started pumping money into OUR economy.
And what about all those oil fields discovered under the Dakotas? Why, oh why, oh why are we giving our money to foreign countries when we could be keeping it at home?
This is something we need to do. And, no he is not flip-flopping, people do change their minds. There is nothing wrong with that.
Alternate energy sources sound good, but I am not sure just how practical they are to actually implement.
He did say drilling- "Some of the press may be wondering why we are announcing offshore drilling in a hangar at Andrews Air Force Base. "
Here's the transcript of the speech:
Pulling the Clinton 'triangulation' card out of the box, are we? The new health plan is similar, with many Republican ideas the promoted years ago during earlier debates. I'm also pleased he is promoting new nuke plants as well. We need a package of options to get us to the next phase when we learn how to use oil for useful products and not just to shove tons of steel down the road to our next coffee stop.
Well, it's gotta be "right" doesn't it? After all even Bush didn't allow this.
Something just seems wrong here.......
"Do you all well to learn politics
or I'll lay your souls to waste"
The Rolling Stones
You know, I listened to the President, and I don't think I heard him say 'drilling'. I heard him say 'exploration'. There would be a rather big difference there as exploration may empirically discover that there isn't enough oil to make it worth the effort.
Please correct me if you have a transcript.
a ploy to placate them...nothing more. Excuse me, but do you have any grey poupon?
Wow, the first thing Obama has done that makes SENSE!!
LarryNative - why are you surprised? This is Lawrence...All Obama does and says is the word of the lord!
I don't like this idea for the previously stated reason - it does not teach us anything! Eventually, the planet WILL run out of oil. That's not a question of if, but when. We need to start working on alternative fuels and get ourselves used to that, so when oil DOES run out, we say "oh oil, we hardly knew ye."
A step backwards if you ask me...which the LJWorld did.
And oh mother of god, I agreed with merrill? I must go in shame now.
No, and I'll tell you why :)
I would rather use up our "friends" oil and save ours for later. Most people who want to "drill baby drill" do not realize that oil is THE MOST IMPORTANT PART of our national defense. To state the obvious, without oil, things stop working. So I would rather pay them for theirs now rather then use up most of ours and be faced with the alternatives, two of which come to mind. (1) We have to take theirs by force or (2) We are even more subject to their political whims (as opposed to right now having to pay more at the pump). Make no mistake oil will run out at some time. I, for one, would rather theirs ran out first.
I posteded the preceding last July @ cjonline
Well now that Obama is for it the GOP will be against it. Despite their motto in the 2008 election run up of "Drill, baby, drill!".
We use oil. We need to research and explore all types of energy. We need to expand our alternative energy options. Reality is, we use oil and we will for quite some time. He has gone forward with nuclear. I imagine we'll see much more expansion into other energy areas as well. Americans have reduced their gas consumption year or year by 1.3 million barrels per day (or 13%), but Wall Street ups the price for their gains. It isn't that we have a shortage and hence a driving up of price. It is once again Wall Street that is crippling the middle class.
I'd rather see them come up with more alternative energy.
I support this wholeheartedly, but I worry it may be too little, too late. I guess I'd condition my support by saying, I know it will take us a period of time to wean ourselves off of oil, and this little bit may help us not import so much foreign oil from unfriendly (at best) regimes, and help us on our way to energy independence. The thing that worries me is that we are getting such a late start, since there is likely to be nary a drop of oil produced for six years while the platforms are built, etc. etc., it's likely too little too late.
A new stronger economy could be well underway if the government wanted to make it happen. The tools and labor force are available NOW. This new economy would stimulate other new business not necessarily related to energy but related to the new money available as a result of the new economy.
Meanwhile how about food for thought:
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Reducing oil dependence. Strengthening energy security. Creating jobs. Tackling global warming. Addressing air pollution. Improving our health. The United States has many reasons to make the transition to a clean energy economy.
What we need is a comprehensive set of smart policies to jump-start this transition without delay and maximize the benefits to our environment and economy. Climate 2030: A National Blueprint for a Clean Energy Economy (“the Blueprint”)
answers that need.
To help avoid the most dangerous consequences of climate change, ranging from extreme heat, droughts, and storms to acidifying oceans and rising sea levels, the United States must play a lead role and begin to cut its heat-trapping emissions today—and aim for at least an 80 percent drop from 2005 levels by 2050.
Blueprint policies lower U.S. heat-trapping emissions to meet a cap set at 26 percent below 2005 levels in 2020, and 56 percent below 2005 levels in 2030.
The nation achieves these deep cuts in carbon emissions while saving consumers and businesses $465 billion annually by 2030. The Blueprint also builds $1.7 trillion in net cumulative savings between 2010 and 2030. Blueprint policies stimulate significant consumer, business, and government investment in new technologies and measures by 2030.
The resulting savings on energy bills from reductions in electricity and fuel use more than offset the costs of these additional investments. The result is net annual savings for households, vehicle owners, businesses, and industries of $255 billion by 2030.
Under the Blueprint, every region of the country stands to save billions. Households and businesses—even in coal-dependent regions—will share in these savings.
This will not do any good. America needs to quit thinking about using more oil. It doesn't matter if there is enough oil to last the next 500,000 years
This new oil will pollute as the old oil does and will be quite expensive.
Less oil is the order of the day. OUR TAX DOLLARS will likely subsidize this drilling for the very wealthy oil industry. The USA no longer needs MORE polluting oil no matter the cost.
All new energy sources is where our tax dollars should go. New energy sources will put far more people back to work.
There are 15 million out of work which is why the economy is slow bouncing back.
So let's put them to work creating very long term employment.
I thought McCain would be Bush III, but it looks like we have Bush 2.5 at least.
Nope, don't like it one bit.
Imagine, a Democrat disagreeing with the President! Shocking!
The pole is still early, They haven't come in from there garden.
I'm not sure which is more shocking. Obama wanting to drill offshore or that 64% of Lawrence agrees with the idea.
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