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Would you agree to pay tuition to have your child attend full-day kindergarten at a public school?

Response Percent Votes
No
 
54% 485
Yes
 
38% 336
Not sure
 
7% 62
Total 883

Comments

ivalueamerica 4 years, 5 months ago

actually, this is a fee for service, not a tax. A tax can go anywhere the government wants, this is something that will only be paid by the people actually using the resources, and is optional.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

Yeah....like what should have happened with the library expansion, and our empty buses!

ivalueamerica 4 years, 5 months ago

left field analogy.

The bus system helps the entire community, and is available to everyone as is the library. All day kindergarten only benefits those who participate.

I realize you hate the buss and the library, but it is a shame that you attack it without using thought or reason.

Mmmm, perhaps you could benefit from some time at the library.

fu7il3 4 years, 5 months ago

The bus system and the library are also only benefiting those who participate in their use. The percentage of residents who use either one is likely ridiculously low.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

Merrill is a member of the Tea Party??!?? Didn't see that one coming!

Amy Heeter 4 years, 5 months ago

USD497 will come up with any reason to get more money from the communty.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

It's how tax dollars are spent and if how they are spent does it increase taxes?

It's a lot about how taxpayers are left out of very large tax dollar spending decisions at all levels of local government.

For instance the $100 million dollar sewage plant should be approved by the voters because local special interests are driving the issue for their own personal profiteering. Do taxpayers want to spend $100,000,000(million) that will only bring on more new tax dollar expenses?

There is one consequence that usually goes unmentioned by the local medial,city hall and elected officials - local profiteers are draining our pocketbooks and raising our taxes.

NOT necessary city growth is the result of over several decades of subsidies paid for by the local taxpayer. These range from the obvious to the obscure and include big projects-like the billions we spend on new roads as well as smaller ones-like the tax-breaks that encourage businesses to move to the edge of town and KILL downtown. We've subsidized local profiteers at such a basic level for so long, that many people believe the status quo is actually fair and neutral. This is false-what we think of as a level playing field is tilted steeply in favor of local profiteers driving development.

How we subsidize profiteers:

* building new and wider roads
* building schools on the fringe
* extending sewer and water lines to not necessary development
* extending emergency services to the fringe
* direct pay-outs to developers - for example developers of the new building at 9th and New Hampshire are demanding taxpayers furnish their tenants with parking spaces built with our tax dollars. Why should we taxpayers pick up that tab? Why would a bank approve a loan if a project had no parking for it's tenants?

In reality is tuition not a tax? Tax is an unfriendly word so it is my speculation that politicians like a different choice such as tuition,admission, user fee or water rates.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

Something to think about.

USD 497 has essentially given East Heights School away while leaving USD 497 somewhat responsible for maintenance of the building(or so it appears). While the cause may be worthy shouldn't this decision have been approved by the taxpayers?

East Heights building is probably worth at least $7-$10 million dollars considering the cost of new construction. Some BOD members have been wanting to get rid of this building for several years in spite of the fact more families are moving into the East Heights boundaries such as across the street.

Godot 4 years, 5 months ago

merrill, I completely agree with you on this one. It was exceedlingly strange that the school board gave themselves the power to make this huge financial gift to a private organization without taxpayer approval. At the least, they should have opened it up to all not for-profits and have them make application and vet the projects. There was absolutely no fairness or transparency the way this was done

concernedeudoravoter 4 years, 5 months ago

The reality of this question centers around the fact that the state of Kansas only funds half-day kindergarten. This issue was dealt with by the Eudora School District last year. The public made their voices heard in support of continuing all-day kindergarten. The school board made the right decision in continuing to fund all-day kindergarten - meaning the district has to pay for the other half of the day out of its general fund. In order to supplement this, for the first time ever, the district did have to create a supplies fee of $50 for all students and $100 for those in kindergarten. We live in challenging times. All school districts will continue to have difficult decisions to make every year until the state funds schools the way it is legally bound to do.

Kathy Getto 4 years, 5 months ago

@concernedeudoravoter - thanks for the well-stated response.

In the coming years districts will struggle to keep the utilities on as the legislature continues to refuse to fund our schools as mandated by law.

Richard Heckler 4 years, 5 months ago

This poll indicates something is up. LJW polls many times are driven by a matter that is located elsewhere in the newspaper or this is a matter about to surface.

"All school districts will continue to have difficult decisions to make every year until the state funds schools the way it is legally bound to do." EXACTLY!

The new governor will likely want to use public education dollars to fund his personal agenda item known as vouchers to direct public tax dollars into the fundamentalist christian schools. This thinking is not new to him. The new governor will be looking to reduce public school tax dollars in the name of more efficient spending. Keep a close eye on your tax dollars and the political rhetoric.

Beth Bird 4 years, 5 months ago

You are right. Brownback would go to a completely fundamental curriculum required for all children in Kansas if he gets his way. Look who we elected.....awesome...

Kathy Getto 4 years, 5 months ago

@happy - agree. Our state is in big trouble.

Godot 4 years, 5 months ago

Why would parents pay tuition to send their child to a school where they have absolutely zero control over teacher quality or curriculum?

Kathy Getto 4 years, 5 months ago

That is absoultely not true Godot - that is why they are called public schools - the public does have input through elections, committee work and so on.

Here is a hint - disregard any statements using absolutes ("absolutely zero control ") because those statements could not possibly be true.

rgh 4 years, 5 months ago

The state paying for full-day Kindergarten is a sure uncertain with Brownback taking over. Don't blame your school districts, blame the legislature. They don't pay schools associated with the additional costs of having full-day Kindergarten. They put it right back on each local tax payer instead of a state-wide sales tax where everyone who buys anything in Kansas helps educate our kids.

mr_right_wing 4 years, 5 months ago

Goodness!

We wouldn't want you to actually be a PARENT to your child!

Daycare, preschool, kindergarten; whatever it takes to get rid of them. Kids are too much hassle.

KU_cynic 4 years, 5 months ago

All-day kindergarten makes good pedagogical sense for many kids in the community.

Kindergarten should become "pay to learn" only after non-academic frills -- such as high school athletic programs -- are cut or rendered "pay to play" activities.

valgrlku 4 years, 5 months ago

I am fairly sure that "tuition" for K-12 public school isn't allowed under the State's Constitution. However, "fees" are. Only having half-day kindergarten in Lawrence when my daughter was that age was a real pain. Not only was she not receiving a more complete educational experience, but I also had to pay a ridiculous amount of money for daycare after her half-day of school was over. Of course, it was changed back to full-day shortly thereafter...

independant1 4 years, 5 months ago

Nope, my children are adults now but when they were young I think they spent plenty of time under someone else's control or lack of. full day kindergarten, half day's are enough for the first foray outside the family.

Cait McKnelly 4 years, 5 months ago

Hmm. To me this isn't all day Kindergarten, it's half day Kindergarten with a half day of day care. Translate "tuition" to day care fees and you're probably close to what the real deal is. Most children in today's world have already spent a portion of their life in day care and preschool because in the overwhelmingly majority of families both parents must work. Kindergarten is hardly their first foray outside the family. If the Lawrence public schools want to cash in on this, and the "tuition" is lower than day care fees, then the advantages of convenience to working families may make it worth it.

Godot 4 years, 5 months ago

Score another goal for government destroying private enterprise by taking money, by force, from a limited set of taxpayers,to provide a service at a lower cost than the private enterprise could.

Godot 4 years, 5 months ago

Score another goal for government destroying private enterprise by taking money, by force, from a limited set of taxpayers,to provide a service at a lower cost than the private enterprise could.

Godot 4 years, 5 months ago

I restate: why would any set of parents pay tuition to send their children to a school where the chance that their wishes regarding the curriculum and the quality of the teachers would be valued is something close to zero unless the parents subscribe to the political agenda of the teacher's union?

Jeanne Cunningham 4 years, 5 months ago

I actually don't care too much about pay or not- that's economics and politics. I DO care IF it's mandatory or NOT. I want my grandkids to be kids for as long as they possibly can be. I want their parents and/or I to keep them home for one-half of the day while they adjust to being away from home and adapt to the school environment during the other half. I just don't want the parents to have no choice in whether or NOT they go. I DO believe that it is a good OPTION as some parents have no alternative but daycare (or they think they have no alternative). However, I think it is within reason to think that there could be some correlation between more and more kids being sent to daycare and/or going to Full Day Kindergarten and increases in youth crime. The earlier a child is (in his/her mind) sent out into the "cold, cruel world" by his/her parents and , MAY in some cases trigger abandonment issues. Certainly it reduces a parent's influence in the child's life just that much sooner.

Of course, in some cases, IF it is true that the parents are just glad to be getting rid of the child, maybe THOSE CHILDREN are better off in school.

Sad.

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