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Do you support the city of Lawrence’s snow shoveling law requiring sidewalks to be clear within 48 hours after the storm?

Response Percent Votes
No
 
53% 608
Yes
 
41% 474
Not sure
 
5% 63
Total 1145
Note: This is not a scientific poll. Vote in this poll

Comments

Gandalf 3 years, 4 months ago

I find it amazing the number of posters who have no problem with the concept of slavery when they benefit.

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Carol Bowen 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes, but the ordinance should require shoveled walks 48 hours after the storm starts. Given a couple of days, snow can turn to ice.

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irvan moore 3 years, 4 months ago

8am and my walks and drive are cleaned off, this was easy, used a broom to sweep it away.

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thuja 3 years, 4 months ago

The way to deal with the slickness is to already be sliding.

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snoozey 3 years, 4 months ago

I support prompt sidewalk clearing but hope the city has the staff to get it done..ahem

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northtown 3 years, 4 months ago

Will be discussed again when it snows? Please just quit fighting about a little snow and get off your lazy butt and shovel it. Both me and my wife shovel all our sidewalks,and don't even have a so called city one,or one along the street-If your neighbor needs help,then help them. It is not that hard,and i am not a young person. So just do it!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you-Thank you very much-HA!!!!!!!

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fancy80 3 years, 4 months ago

does it even matter if we support it?

for the record, our sidewalk is fairly busy for walkers and runners, so yes we certainly try to clear it within the 48 hours, out of courtesy to the people who use it. If we had an elderly neighbor who was unable to clear their sidewalk living nearby, I would ask my son to shovel it, (and not take any money for doing it). It is just the right thing to do. However, I must say that I do object to being "mandated" to do anything. I guess I have a problem with authority...

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classclown 3 years, 4 months ago

I'm going to get a snow making machine so there can be snow on the sidewalk during times when it doesn't snow.

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whats_going_on 3 years, 4 months ago

and what happens if you're out of town for the holidays and there is a horrible snow storm, like last year? (I wasn't personally gone, just saying) Do you still get fined?

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persevering_gal 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes, but there needs to be some consideration taken place. What about the elderly or disabled? What if someone was on vacation?

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Bill Lee 3 years, 4 months ago

There should be an ordinance requiring apartment complexes to clear their parking lots. Most do to keep the residents happy, but I've lived in a couple who didn't. Last year I was trapped and couldn't get to the street for more than a week.

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whiteguy 3 years, 4 months ago

This is why i dont live in the city.

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cletus26 3 years, 4 months ago

all you lazy folks need to clean that snow up. I do like to take walks in the snow on the sidewalks sometimes. I support the city and law and hope these lazy folks start doing right.

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Jim Phillips 3 years, 4 months ago

48 hours is just about enough time to get the sidewalk cleared before the snowplows come through and cover them up again.

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dogwalker 3 years, 4 months ago

YES, I support the ordinance! Clearing sidewalks is a matter of public safety, and it would be irresponsible of the city not to have an ordinance and to enforce it. AND....it is irresponsible of property owners to not consider their liability if they do not clear their sidewalks.

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irvan moore 3 years, 4 months ago

enforcement on a complaint basis is unequitable, either enforce it or don't.

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Gandalf 3 years, 4 months ago

I'm waiting for an ordinance prohibiting trees from letting too much sunshine thru causing eride a sunburn. The dumb council would probably fine a home owner for that too!

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wdl 3 years, 4 months ago

As a rule of thumb the 48 hr. rule is okay, but largley not enforceable. I am always amused at how governments weather local or federal try to legislate your life. Even to extent of what mother nature does. Consumed by their sense of self importance. I don't have sidewalks and I never want sidewalks.

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Denny2009 3 years, 4 months ago

And this shouldn't be about the city helping the people. I'm sure people are thinking..Why should I have to shovel my sidewalks if the city isn't going to plow every street in time? Well this should be more about people helping people and making it easier for your community to use the sidewalks.

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Ami 3 years, 4 months ago

What about the city and the developers? my street is not fully built, so while the house owners clear the way, the rest of it is block. What about those parts??

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Denny2009 3 years, 4 months ago

Absolutely I agree with this. Not everyone owns a car, therefore walking is the only option. Clear your sidewalks and if your neighbor is elderly or unable to shovel, do them a favor and clear their walks as well. I live in Michigan now so it would be such a hassle if people didn't take responsiblity and shovel their walkways...although everyone out here owns a snow blower, which I'm looking into purchasing eventually.

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George Lippencott 3 years, 4 months ago

Qualified support. We need to update our laws to recognize environmental and medical impacts. The law should not hold those physically incapable and financial limited at risk. It should also have provisions to address severe cold (wind) that would put at risk those attempting to comply. This task falls most heavily on residential property owners. Perhaps it is time to require renters to “volunteer” to shovel for those who can not and as a minimum the property where they live. Only fair in a city where less than half own the property they live in.

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northtowngrl 3 years, 4 months ago

Hate to break it to you folks, but very few cities and towns in cold weather parts of the country do NOT have these ordinances. Get over it and get it done. And help someone who can't do it for themselves.

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Kontum1972 3 years, 4 months ago

here is a thought...how about if there is a median in the center of the road....the Knot heads in the plow-trucks push the snow on the median instead of on our sidewalks and driveways which u want us to maintain.,,then when it warms up it will melt off.

obtw the concept for this was probably thought up after work in a bar after about 5 drinks....and they all laughed at the table....thats it we will fine them...easy money!

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pace 3 years, 4 months ago

Thanks to the people who shovel their sidewalks and help others. If you have a teenager buy him or her a good snow shovel and an ice scrapper,good gloves. Instruct them in cold weather layering clothing. Encourage them to figure out how long an area would take , factoring amount of snow ,temperature and humidity. I am able to pay about $12. an hour. This is a nice chance to show kids that money can be made and how to develop a business plan.

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pace 3 years, 4 months ago

I don't want to the city to send work release criminals to the homes of the most vulnerable members of the community. I would love to see churches and youth groups organize work experience and employment programs for kids and unemployed.

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Jeanne Cunningham 3 years, 4 months ago

The WORST part of this is that the fine does NOT get the sidewalk shoveled. How does THAT make any sense? If this continues to be the law, the solution should be that the city gets it done for you and the bill you get is for the work. How does levying a fine help those pedestrians who need to pass along the unshoveled walk? Isn't that why the ordinance was passed - to provide safe passage for pedestrians?

I, personally, hate this ordinance because I think it is too vague. It's a great concept to think that within some number of hours after the snow has stopped everyone could have cleaned sidewalks. But, here's the reality: until the time period has passed, who knows when that end-time will come? So, it's a Catch 22. If one tries to get out there ASAP and begin clearing, then if it snows more there is rework to do. If one waits until the designated time period has elapsed with no snow, there may be so much snow (and ice), it becomes an impossible task.

The REAL irony is that we actually generally have only one or two periods in a given year when snow removal becomes necessary, so it's hardly worth buying the necessary equipment to do it right.

As far as kids doing the work: society has become too litigious for that to be an option. Can you imagine being sued because a teenager injured his/her back while shoveling? Ask YOUR insurance agent IF your liability insurance would cover THAT?!?!? and/or what your deductable would be?

If the city were to pay laborers (or use available laborers - work release prisoners, maybe?) to just go around a clear those walks which actually need to be cleared, they would NOT have to pay the cost of policing and administering the ordinance at all. Or, maybe those same people (the police, clerks, etc.) could just go shovel the snow themselves - INSTEAD of doing the policing, etc. The city is already paying them - and I would expect that each one has that infamous "other duties as assigned" clause in his/her position description...

Just sayin' ;-)

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deec 3 years, 4 months ago

I'm really glad my deceased mother's house is not in Lawrence. Her walk got shovelled about once a month when one of us drove the 200 miles up here to work on clearing it out. I lived in Lawrence 20+ years, and I always thought this was a dumb ordinance. The streets were impassable, but the sidewalks had to be clean? Many times we cleaned the sidewalks only to have them reburied in slushy ice when the plows finally got around to working the neighborhood streets.

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3 years, 4 months ago

I support this law. There is a volunteer program for people to sign up to have their sidewalks shoveled if they are unable. If you don’t want to do it then move to an apartment complex and they will do it for you. Otherwise act responsible and do what is required of you. I personally enjoy shoveling, for short periods of time. I might shovel my driveway multiple times before it stops snowing and always shovel the whole driveway before going to work. I don’t have a sidewalk because I live in a Cul-de-sac. I also go to my neighbors and shovel theirs if they haven’t it yet. So shovel yours and help your neighbors out also.

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LeBo 3 years, 4 months ago

Get your lard outside and get on it!

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sissezz 3 years, 4 months ago

yeah... where are those kids? Id pay to have someone shovel my sidewalk.

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BrianR 3 years, 4 months ago

I always shovel my sidewalk but if a situation arose where I wasn't home and couldn't shovel, that is a problem. If I have to then pay a fine, I will consider the sidewalk my property and promptly jackhammer it out of existence.

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KU_cynic 3 years, 4 months ago

I doubt this ordinance ever generates complaints and enforcement in most residential neighborhoods. And, I would not want the City to get heavy handed about it in neighborhoods.

But commercial establishments are something entirely different. What really ticks me off is when a Mass Street business doesn't take care of its sidewalk area, which happens much more frequently than it should. Those establishments should be given a much shorter clock, and the City should be trigger happy to fine them if they don't comply.

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northtown 3 years, 4 months ago

Move to north Lawrence,city seems not to care??Anyway not many good sidewalks in this part of town.. Shovel away you folks who don't live in,what i seen it called -THE GHETTO!,We folks don't shovel that white sh*t Good Luck Lawrence Headed down the wrong side of the hill??? You voted for them!!!

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BorderRuffian 3 years, 4 months ago

The other thing that is despicable about this ordinance is that not only is there a fine, but the COURT COSTS! Come on, now, does it really take $52 to process a mailed in fine? More extortion.

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BorderRuffian 3 years, 4 months ago

NO!!! This is just another Gestapo tactic of Larryville to extort more money from the residents. It is Gestapo particularly since it targets especially those who are least able, physically or economically, to be able to leap to their master's command.

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consumer1 3 years, 4 months ago

It won't be enforced equally.

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macon47 3 years, 4 months ago

it amuses me to see parents mowing their yards, and shoveling their snow while their kids sit inside and watch them because they dont want to get all "icky" since the city cannot get their streets cleared in a timely basis it is hard for me to understand how they can even think about enforcing the sidewalk ordinance

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Abdu Omar 3 years, 4 months ago

Some people are disabled and cannot clear snow in a month of sundays. Where are the boys and girls looking to maker some quick cash by shoveling the snow? When I was young, we prayed for snow days so we could pocket some ready cash from our neighbors. But today, there is no one since our children have everything they want and don't know how to work., Work!!

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Cai 3 years, 4 months ago

Maybe we could submit complaints against the city?

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nekansan 3 years, 4 months ago

Only if the city meets the same standard for clearing roads, sidewalks and parking areas under their control.

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Caesar_Augustus 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes. Unsafe conditions should be rectified in a timely manner and 48 hours after precipitation stops is more than enough time for someone to put down the Xbox controller and get outside and clear their sidewalks.

There are also options for elderly people to pursue to get help. My two older boys and I help our neighbors out by shovelling their driveways and walkways as well.

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