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jrlii (Anonymous) says: "As near as I can tell, everyone elected yesterday was either a Democrat or a Republican.""This leaves our government with a terribly constricted view of the public's desires."There were many candidates from other parties in races across the country.They lost.That by definition pretty much IS the "view of the public's desires."*******Overall, I'm not particularly unhappy. McCain's healthcare plan would have done me a lot of good, Obama's will do nothing at all for me, but overall I don't expect much will change for my family one way or the other. I'm happy the Dems didn't get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, though, I think for our political process to work there has to be opposition with some power.But overall I'm pretty happy. History was made. Hopefully the fears of widespread racism affecting the outcome should be put to rest. It was good to see the young people the polls kept threatening us with finally actually show up and vote.But most of all, it's a win-win situation. There's an old AA saying, if you think you can control your drinking, go out and try - you'll either find out you can, or you'll find out you can't. Similarly, we'll either find out that Obama was the right choice and can actually make good on his promises, or in four years, we'll know it was a mistake.
Black people represent only around 18% of the total U.S. population, so even if EVERY black person voted, which we know they didn't, BLACK people are not the sole reason why Obama won. Obama won because he will be able to do a better job at leading this country. He is not a one man show. He will have advisors more experienced than he is. He can't change the past eight years instantly. Many white people voted for Obama. If anyone is dumb enough to think that he won just because everyone wanted to see a black president for once, I feel sorry for you and your children. It is not a black or white issue. Many people of other races voted for him also. People are tired of what has been going on in America for the past 8 years. We may not know for sure what Obama can accomplish, but his agenda is promising. Since McCain supported Bush 95% of the time, we pretty much know what to look forward to with McCain as president. I will however commend McCain on a very eloquent speech. He went out with class and pride. He didn't even stutter or get tongue tied like he usually does. No matter who is president, we will still have tax increases. That is just a part of living in America. Don't like it? Move abroad! Congratulations President Elect Barack Obama!
TJ_in_Lawrence (Anonymous) says:Well, I didn't hate Nancy Boyda, but I'm not sorry to see her go. I'm not really a Jenkins fan either, but when I saw the two of them together, I though Jenkins showed a sharper intellect and actually had a personality that resonated with me.==========================After seeing the debate, I thought Jenkins was kind of stupid.
yes except for the re-election of 'mr.intelligence' laundering Senator Pat Roberts. part of the lies of WMD that took us to war based upon lies. he should be impeached not re-elected.
I have a son who voted for the first time in this election.Captivated by that historic speech, looking out over a sea of a million...his words... "It's almost surreal."Ah... more than surreal... sublime.
America's first "African-American" or "Black" President? Wasn't the Senator from Illinois, now the President-elect, born in Hawaii to a woman from Kansas whom we would identify as Caucasion? And wasn't his father a man of mixed race, including the Negro race? Why do we call him "Black" or "African-American"? He may be the "Blackest" individual to every be elected to the highest office in the land, but he is 50% or so "White". This sounds like vestiges of the old racism that has plagued this country for centuries. We are all humans, immortal spirits living in perishable bodies. I wish Senator McCain would have been victorious, and I am disappointed, but not surprised that our next President is going to be Senator Barak Obama. May he be enabled of God to this weighty task he has sought and accepted.
"I would love to believe that any one individual can fix all our problems."It wouldn't even be a good thing if one person could fix all our problems. A big difference I see is that the Bush administration said, "Be very afraid and trust us to do what is right for you." Treated us like stupid children and tried to make us fearful.Obama made it very clear in his speech last night that is will be a long, tough road and we all have to work together---which is something we all know. That means everybody, Democrats, Republicans and everyone else.Obama has never, ever said he will fix everything for us.The fact that he is looking to us, the people, to work together to make things better is what gives me hope.It's been a long time comin'.
PS............As the saying goes..........prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Goodbye Bush/Cheney and good riddance!.... and hello Obama (who knows what or who he is?) and Biden(who cares what he is?)............and gawd help the USA because we'll need it!!!!!
shockchalk (Anonymous) says:Gee booklover, looks like the only spouting hate is you. hhmmmmmmmmShockchalk, Did you read my post? When did I ever say anything resembling hate? I can be fed up with the spewing on this board, that's not hate. It's quite the opposite. Its sad that to just because I disagree with you that read hate. Really. Really. Sad.
plivanec,Unfortunately, you are all too right. I would love to believe that any one individual can fix all our problems. Sadly, though, that is just totally naive and unrealistic. Democrat, Republican, whatever...they all make promises they don't (and actually can't) keep.
People can say what they want, but the main reason why Obama won by such a large margin is because folks are tired of everything Bush and the Republican congress (the first six years) did during that time. I lost track of the number of Republicans I talked to who crossed party lines this year. As for the "redistribute the wealth" comments, apparently folks hadn't seen McCain's tax plan. The tax decrease rises as the family income increases - in other words, someone making $66,000 to $111,000 gets a 1.4% decrease, while someone making over $2.8 million gets a 4.4% decrease. That would be what we call a tax break for the rich. So which party would you consider caters to the elite?!
Verity said : "Obama has said he will listen to all the people, especially those who don't agree with him."I wish you were right...but what did Bush say when he entered office...I will listen to the people. All candidates (presidential and other) say that they will listen and most do not. It's called politics. I really really hope that you are right, but I fear you will not be.
Does Country_In_Distress really think that God is so weak and puny that God can be taken out of schools by mere humans?? That God is everywhere...except in the schools? That, once students walk through the door into their school, God disappears? That they can't silently pray? That God can't pay attention to them in the schoolhouse?And does Country_In_Distress really think that teachers should be allowed to hit kids??? Heck, no one should hit kids...period. Time outs, grounding and removal of privileges work just fine...assuming the parents stick to their guns and actually enforce them, even when it's inconvenient to them. Kids don't need to be beaten to learn lessons. They don't need to be slapped, spanked, hit, paddled or anything else physically harmful. I hope that Country_In_Distress will spend a little bit more time studying the words and actions of Jesus and a little less time reading the Old Testament to justify his/her behavior. If Country_In_Distress did this, s/he might realize that every single recorded encounter between Jesus and children was kind, gentle and respectful. Jesus didn't hit kids or call for hitting kids and rationalize it away as a disciplinary "smack," and neither should anyone else. (I sure hope Country_In_Distress doesn't seriously believe in the call in Deuteronomy to stone to death the stubborn and rebellious son???) Personally, I think Jesus would have voted for Barack Obama.
Bush II took it as his "mandate" to force the will of his side onto the rest of the people, even though it turned out that "his side" was only about a fourth of the people.Obama has said he will listen to all the people, especially those who don't agree with him. One of the reasons I voted for him is that I feel he will be a president of the United States, and not feed off the divisiveness that we have had for way too long.
I want to share a text I saw yesterday;Rosa sat so that Martin could march. Martin marched so that Obama could run.Obama ran so that America could FLY! Last night we saw history in the making and I finally felt like maybe we can move in the direction that our forefathers dreamed of. I can finally tell my grandchildren (who are bi-racial as are my children) that in this country you CAN be anything you want to be as long as you are willing to work hard.....And reeally believe it myself.
Thank you, Sychophant, for that story. I had not heard it.I love that kind of irony.
More data:In 1980, Ronald Reagan got 50.7% of the popular vote, to James Earl Carter's 41.0.%In 2000, George W. Bush, Jr., got 47.9% of the popular vote, to Albert Gore's 48.4%. In 2008, Barack Obama got 52% of the popular vote, to John McCain's 46%, with more people voting than ever before.Say it with me now: MANDATE
Sherbert, sixty percent of Obama's votes came from whites.
If the man's race is not an issue, then why is that all I hear about on the news??? I have heard nothing all day but what a great victory it is to have an African American elected to the highest office! These comments are coming from reporters, politicians and citizens. Race is indeed an issue, and I do believe that he received far more votes than he would have had he been a white man. That being said, I do think he is a man of character and integrity...I'm not questioning that-just the motives of some voters.
gop wrote "Lets not forget that 47% of the population voted against Obama, nearly half the country."Which assumes facts not in evidence. First, the entirety of the population did not vote--it's only 47% of those voting who cast ballots for candidates other than Obama. Second, I do not doubt that a number of voters did indeed vote against Obama, but I do doubt that every single one who voted for another candidate did so to vote ~against~ Obama instead of for McCain or Nader or Weill or Barr or Baldwin or McKinney. Third, the president is not selected through popular vote by the population at large but is selected by the States through the electors who will meet on December 15--and it appears that 2/3 of the States ~will~ select Obama. (And one of the defining points of the Electoral College is that it maintains the federal nature of our government by having the States select the President.) I would not argue that Obama should not claim a popular mandate. In fact, I think it would be the height of hubris were he to do so. But the truth is, whether we were among those who voted for him or for another candidate or cast no ballots at all, he is the one candidate among all those running who cobbled together enough of a coalition amongst the States to secure more than 269 electoral votes. Just as President Bush did four and eight years ago. And as President Clinton did before that, and Presidents Bush and Reagan, and so forth....
Gee booklover, looks like the only spouting hate is you. hhmmmmmmmm
Sherbert, did whites who voted for McCain do so just because he is white? It is true that people did want to be part of history and vote in the first black president, but it was the person people were voting for, not the race. If it was only the color of a person's skin, why hasn't Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson won when they have run in the past? Try to give people just a little more credit for their decisions. While it might be true with some, just as some might vote simply because a candidate has an R or a D next to his or her name, skin color wasn't the deciding factor with the vast majority of voters - on either side.
I was rather disheartened to awaken to the news of Obama winning the election. That being said, I also believe that it is imperative that we accept and support him, regardless of political affiliation, as he is now our new presidential elect. I hope and pray that he will prove competent for the enormous task, which he chose to undertake; he is inheriting one hell of a mess! I have been a registered Republican since I turned 18, but that is not why I voted for McCain/Palin. I am not necessarily that fond of McCain, but I did feel that he was the more qualified of the two for the job at hand. With our economic woes, the health care crisis, the War in Iraq, etc., we do not have much room for error. I agree with sherbert's comment regarding Obama's radical associations-they make me very uneasy, too. And, yes, I do interprit some of Obama's comments as being borderline Socialist. Regardless, it's a done deal. Congratulations and good luck to Obama, and I hope that we, Republicans AND Democrats, can band together as AMERICANS and support our new commander-in-chief as he navigates his way through the chaos he's walking into! God bless him!
"We have allowed the god of this world (satan) to take away many of our rights in the name of social reform. "Alrighty!
Sherbert, I doubt the college-educated, whites voted for him because he was black. I doubt hispanics voted for him because he was black.
You can tell by the comments of the voters, the tears from Oprah and Jesse Jackson, the dancing and screaming at the Ebeneezer Baptist church of MLK fame, that these people voted for Obama because they wanted to be a part of history and vote in the first black president. That's what THEY kept saying! He won because he's black, not because of his policies. I don't feel comfortable with his long history of radical associations and his, dare I say, socialist/marxist tendicies. It is what it is now though, I hope he steps up and surprises me.
overall happy. didn't care much for the Roberts or Tiahart win. They are big embarassing idiots for Kansas. Mostly Todd baby..he is a moron.
Remember this, ConservaTards:More people voted for Barack Obama than for any other president in the history of the United States.Let that sink in to your tiny, hate-filled, little brains. Not only the first Democrat in over 30 years to get a true majority mandate....but with more votes cast for him than any other man in this nation's history.The lie of the "center-right" nation has been dispelled. Check the numbers.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."-- Winston ChurchillImperfect people voted in an imperfect system between two imperfect candidates. All we can hope now is that everyone strives towards perfection. If the Democrats squander this opportunity to respond, they will face the voters wrath in 2 years.This election cycle was not a mandate for the positions of the Democrat Party, but a plea by the voter to just improve things. Don't lie to the voters; respect our intelligence. Make us proud to be Americans and help us make the world a better place for our children. That's all I want or expect from my government.
Am I happy about the election?Yes I am!Now, this is not intended to describe the typical Republican and McCain supporter, but, the frosting on the cake is knowing how miserable the American-hating racists and bigots are over Obama's election. Given that all those fools who are predicting the worst presidency ever are the same fools who said Obama would never win and who supported people like Bush and Palin just proves how out of touch they are with rational Americans. I hope you have a miserable 8 years as the rest of the country prospers. President-elect Barack Obama! Say it loud and say it proud!
As near as I can tell, everyone elected yesterday was either a Democrat or a Republican.This leaves our government with a terribly constricted view of the public's desires.Indeed, while the Demublican duopoly retains exclusive power, the United States falls far short of it's claims of representative democracy.The only person in Federal office who comes anywhere close to representing my position is Representative Dr. Ron Paul, (R. Tx.) and I didn't get to vote for him.
Coolhawk,Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA HA HA HA HA, YOUR FLIPPING LOST MAN!!!!Yesterday, my side took back the country. Obama is a bigger man then me. He will work with both sides and make it better for everyone. I do not have to. I say red neck morons, stupid bigots like coolhawk, stuck up blue blood republicans and closed minded religous nuts can just flipping STICK IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!!
A mere four years ago, shortly after President-Elect Barack Obama delivered--what willl now go down in American History as a transformative, landmark speech--his keynote address to the Democratic National Convention, he was handpicked and removed, albeit temporarily, from the boarding line of his plane back to Chicago. All, obviously, because of his color and because of his name. On and after Jnauary 20, 2009, and for at least four years following, any plane he sets foot on immediately becomes Air Force One. Only in America. I love this Country.
Folks are missing the point her. Just because Obama can speak eloquently and feed the masses what they want to hear, doesn't mean he is going to be the savior. I have no problems whatsoever with stating that OBAMA WILL BE THE DOWNFALL OF THE NATION. Bush was one of the worse presidents we have had--no doubt about that, Obama will finish what Bush started.I for one will stand up and speak the reality of it all. Obama and the Donkey's plan is just short of MARXISM!! That is right folks, I said it. Here is how: 1) Tax the hell out of the people, 2) "Re-distribute" the wealth to "everyone" 3) Socialize most public services. 4) Create a massive government to control everyone's life. YEP, SOUNDS LIKE THE COMMUNIST MANEFESTO TO ME!! If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like one--it must be a duck!!! I leave you with a prophetic quote that sums up the next fours years of the democrat's leadership:"A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within." -Will Durant
This election outcome clearly proves there is a God and He likes the United States after all.
Now you're talking! good post trobs.
Trying to silence hate only gives them power. Fred Phelps only matters because people pay attention to him. The KKK are still around only because people pay attention to them. Love your enemy?Greatest thing you can do to someone who says something hate filled is to listen. No agree, simply listen. After you listen, "I do not agree, but I respect you." You will literally shock the person to the core. They feed off hatred toward them. They need it to survive. When no one cares what they think, they can no longer function.
jayhawklawrence (Anonymous) says: I was very sad for Nancy Boyda. She seems like such a good person and she was defeated by an avalanche of National Republican party money and false ads in the last week before the election.Money and lies won this election.I will miss you Nancy.Not to nit-pick, but the same thing happened in reverse in the presidential election. I believe Obama would still have been the victor without the extra money, but he was able to outspend McCain by more than 2-1 in the states that really decided the election.
"the blacks will think now that they RULE the world! They will be the cause of all problems." Um...I hope you are kidding. That's completely absurd.
Yes, all except for Porkbarrel Roberts and big mouth Jenkins being elected.
Well, I didn't hate Nancy Boyda, but I'm not sorry to see her go. I'm not really a Jenkins fan either, but when I saw the two of them together, I though Jenkins showed a sharper intellect and actually had a personality that resonated with me.
I was very sad for Nancy Boyda. She seems like such a good person and she was defeated by an avalanche of National Republican party money and false ads in the last week before the election.Money and lies won this election.I will miss you Nancy.
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Who said let them win?
I can see it now, in four years if things aren't better people will still blame the GOP. The Dems have the power now, and nothing is standing in there way. So do something to help the country not your selfs.
hail2oldkuWrong attitude my eye! It is never EVER a mistake to try to put an end to those who spout hate. Especially the kind of sick hate that festers on this board. If we cant have a civil and respectful dialogue, (sp?) if we can't find a way to put aside differences and learn to work together for the common good then we have learned nothing and nothing ever changes. Hate. Must. Not. Win.
Wrong attitude booklover, you have to let those like coolhawk spout off if you are ever going to change it. If you attempt to silence them it will backfire. Let ignorance show itself in order to defeat it.I was not pleased with either major party candidate, but I felt both could do a better job than the one we had in office. It is now Obama's job to bring the country together. The scary thing is the large numbers of talking heads last night comparing him to Jimmy Carter - if that's what we've been sold it will be a loooooong 4 years. With a kid deployed in Iraq, I hope he really thinks through the exit strategy and gets it right. Too fast of a removal will only put our troops in further harms way and add to the instability of the middle east.
"Take back this community forum"???That would be the equivalent of owning Ricki Lake Place and Morton Downey, Jr. Avenue on the "Monopoly: TV Edition".Let's aim a little higher.
Go. Away. Coolhawk. And anyone else who is even thinking about spewing this crap.No more drooling venom spitting trolls! As a first step to taking back this country I say we "the good guys" take back this community forum. No more spitting hate! No more whining about buses or supporting those that need the extra help, no more cutting remarks at each other and calling each out, no more starting blogs just to get an argument started. No more lies and spin. I'm sick of it. We all are. Grow up, grow a pair, go out and actually do something constructive to help this country get back on its feet. That's what we said with our votes. That's what we mean. There is no hidden message, it's all spelled out for you. If you can't take the heat, if you can't help, then crawl back into your hole, stay there and stay quiet and stay out of the way. The rest of us have work to do. It will be hard, it will take awhile and it will not be easy, but we are here for the duration.
I am deeply concerned about these people that parade the term "hate the sin" around and believe in illogical, irrational things. They seem use that as a shield so they can hate PEOPLE, not sin. It irks me to no end, country_in_distress, that you believe that people like me lack morals and that we are corrupted by some entity we don't believe exists (this so-called Satan). If you were a real Christian (and to my relief, I have met plenty), you would accept people for who they are, live your own life and stop trying to force your values on us.
Is parkay back??? yep - Satan won.......LOLToo bad Kansas is so backward and voted with the loosers again......
Agreed, religion is the worlds evil.
Religon is the problem with the people. If we took it out of everyday life. We would have half the issues that concern everyone in the world. Just live and let live.
I am saddened in my heart for what this country has become. It is definitely getting what it deserves. Years of killing babies in the name of choice, holding up sodomy as a lifestyle instead of the sin it is. God puts in place who He wants and in this case, it is who we as a country deserve. I will say that the lack of faith of many Christians around the country is also to blame. We have allowed the god of this world (satan) to take away many of our rights in the name of social reform. Have you ever noticed that ever since they took two things out of school, children (and eventually grownups) have had a hard time with authority. Those two things are of course God and corporal punishment. It is time for Christians around this country to start praying for the souls of those blinded by satan. Remember, God doesn't hate anyone, He only hates the sin. We, as born again believers, should also hate no one, but we must, if we are to continue to have fellowship with Him, hate sin.
Lets not forget that 47% of the population voted against Obama, nearly half the country.
Why does Ignorance Breed?
i still sence some rioting commin on... i know its going on down here in new orleans....so it has to be going on in other parts of the country.
Happy? More like absolutely ecstatic.I am with you on that cdc. It is going to be a hard road for our new pres, this is where we need to put our concern. And as American cit's we need to do our part to keep this country going.
Orwell (Anonymous) says:I know what it is that I believe we're stuck with a dwindling number of angry, narrow-minded fools who either feel threatened by another's success or feel compelled to run down others to feel better about themselves.*******Oh really? So "hope" and "change" had nothing to do with the raging class envy in the looney left ("threatened by another's success")? And it was all love and kisses that caused them to call the Republican nominee McSame ("run down others to feel better about themselves")?As soon as you start living up to your own expectations, then maybe you can demand the same from others.
Coolhawk, put down the pipe and back away from the keyboard slowly
Happy? More like absolutely ECSTATIC.
I was for neither Obama or McCain. Their real differences are minor but they were made to seem large. Mr. Obama's greatest challenge will be in containing theHouse of Representatives and to a lesser extent the Senate. They may try to drain the treasury even more than Bush did. I certainly wish the new president well and congratulate him on a masterful campaign.
I know what it is that I believe we're stuck with a dwindling number of angry, narrow-minded fools who either feel threatened by another's success or feel compelled to run down others to feel better about themselves. America spoke today, and we said in an unmistakable voice, "We don't need your hate or your efforts to divide us; they just get in the way."
Coolhawk, are you for real?
White man can't catch a break in this country. This country has been brainwashed about racism - especially the youth. Tell someone enough times and in many different ways and they believe you. Ask Hitler. Ask 5 million dead Jews. Racism only survives in the minds of those that believe in it. To the post from the lost soul about America getting over racism, honey, America got over racism a long time ago. Just because some want to perpetuate it to get their way does not make it real. Most don't care about the color of your skin but what it is in your heart. That is all that has ever mattered to me. Racism is media hype and very disappointing to that vast majority of white people that have never had anything to do with racism or practiced it. Yet, all of our lives, we have been told we are racist. I don't get it. You have been brainwashed. Your mind is controlled. Break free. Only know what it is that you believe not what others are telling you that you are. Based upon what? Be free.
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