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Do you agree with a city proposal to fine people $50 for failing to clear their sidewalks of snow?

Response Percent Votes
No
 
69% 904
Yes
 
26% 347
Not sure
 
4% 57
Total 1308

Comments

Xwards 6 years ago

It's not enough. Snowy sidewalks are a hazard to pedestrians. Fine with me to let the city take care of snow removal....only if we're willing to pay the additional taxes.

Buggie7 6 years ago

The city says they own it . Let them clean it. They wont let us do things cause they own the sidewalk well then get your fannies out there and make sure that not only are they cleared of the snow and ice but make sure the maintenence is kept up so peoples front yards dont look like crap. Next thing you know they will try to fine if you dont fill in the cracks.

nbnozzy 6 years ago

How about home owners doing the responsible thing and clearing their sidewalks??? The house next to mine was empty last year and I shoveled it's share of sidewalk (and my own of course), and a neighbor or two on my block cleared theirs. However, there were 4 or 5 who didn't and this is a long stretch of walkway on a very busy street and it was h*ll just to walk to the store or take the dog out. The elderly, school children, etc... use this walkway everyday and I saw them struggle to get to where they were going because of lazy homeowners. It doesn't have to be that way. So, I say.... fine them that won't be civic minded. We live in a society people....

newsreader 6 years ago

Can I fine the City $50 they don't clear my street in a reasonabile time?

JHawk4433 6 years ago

I think that being responsible and cleaning off your sidewalks is the right thing to do. I would say that if not cleaned within 24 hrs of the snow, then a warning, then a fine. I do agree though, the city should be held to the same standard. My street doesn't get cleaned for a couple of days afterwards, there are also city sidewalks that do not get cleaned as well. Who is fining the city for that?

KU_cynic 6 years ago

I'm less concerned about residential areas, as homeowners have many good excuses (age, physical disabilities, poverty) to wait "for God to take it away".But for owners of commercial property, that's different, especially "showcase" areas like the downtown area. Every year when we have one of those somewhat nasty ice-followed-by-snow storms it seems that many Mass. Street businesses fail to clean their sidewalk areas in a timely manner. That's just inexcusable, and grounds for a fine within a period much less than 48 hours -- 10:00 AM the next day seems reasonable. The city should authorize a private contractor to clear any downtown business sidewalk not immediately taken care of by the business, and have the business ticketed to pay the contractor.Don't want to take care of the problem? Fine, have teh city force a business to pay for someone else to take care of it.

OwlHead 6 years ago

What if you are out of town when it snows?If this became a law I would start a snow removal business.

conservative 6 years ago

I always get my sidewalk cleared. I usually have to do it twice though because the city doesn't get my street cleared in the first 24 hours all the time and when they do clear it the snow flys up and covers the sidewalk again.

doddy24 6 years ago

I don't agree with that cause then that just means more snow in the roads and the city don't even do their job to keep the roads clean!!

yoornotmee 6 years ago

"What if you are out of town when it snows?" Very good point! The way I see it, it's the city's property, they city can take care of it. I don't have to fix the street lights near my house, why should I have to shovel the sidewalk? The streets are the city's property and they clear most of those, surely they can take care of the sidewalks. Although, yeah, I know it sucks to walk (or wheel) through a snow-covered sidewalk, but I don't think the city should tell us that we have absolutely must get a shovel and remove the snow. I would be okay with a neighborhood rule, but not a city-wide rule (but I prefer minimal government in general, so that might just be me).

Ladybug2 6 years ago

My husband and I are neither one able to shovel much snow because we are elderly and with the economy the way it is, we certainly can't afford to hire it done. We also go to visit relatives sometimes during the winter. How are we supposed to clean our walks when we're gone?

pageman 6 years ago

I too belive that it is the city's job to take care of the sidewalks, if it snows I'll throw sand or snow/ice melt on it when I have the time and money. But I don't see the city doing it's job with the roads, traffic lights, etc. they just keep asking for more and more money. It's their side walks so they can take care of it. I vote we hold the city accountable for what they are to take care of instead of building all these roundabouts and these cross walk islands in the middle of the road.

Logan5 6 years ago

Residential sidewalks are the responsibility of the homeowner for snow removal as well as maintenance. If your sidewalk is badly cracked and separated, it is the homeowner's responsiblility to replace it. If someone slips or trips and falls on the sidewalk in front of your home, you may be sued, not the city. This is no different than taking care of your lawn or the portion of your driveway that lies within the city right-of-way.

Logan5 6 years ago

http://www.lawrenceks.org/city_code/system/files/chapter16.pdfIn fact, the city has the right to condemn your sidewalk if you fail to maintain it. If you then refuse to fix it, they will (at about double the cost you could have hired it done for). They will then send you the bill. If you refuse to pay, they can shut off your water.Face it folks. It's your sidewalk. Take care of it or move across the street.

jhawkfan05 6 years ago

THAT IS VERY TRUE DouglasCountySucks THOSE ARE CITY SIDE WALKS LET THE CITY CLEAR THEM!!!

BigPrune 6 years ago

Don't get your hopes up high that we won't get fined $50 if we don't shovel. The T Bus polls showed overwhelming displeasure with the T Bus and it passed with 70% of the vote.

BaxterC 6 years ago

Instead, the city should charge the sky for letting snow fall on our sidewalks.

cozy 6 years ago

i dont think anyone has said this yet.. but what about when you do clear the sidewalk and when the city (F I N A L L Y) comes through with the trucks, they just throw it right back on the sidewalk?!also, id really rather just walk through the snowy sidewalk instead of a cleared sidewalk because it wouldnt be as slippery.

Richard Heckler 6 years ago

Shoveling walks for property managers will become a new part time job industry. City commissioners are creating new jobs.

aeroscout17 6 years ago

They aren't the cities sidewalks. They may have built them but they are on your property and you are responsible for the maintenance. I'm not saying I agree with that, but that is how it is. I am originally from Montana and I am used to having to shovel lots of snow. Everyone must remember that since this is part of your property, if someone should fall on your unshoveled/icy sidewalk, you will probably be sued and most likely lose. I have seen it many times before.

Jeanne Cunningham 6 years ago

This, as with other laws/ordinances CAN be changed - by the voters. If we want the city to do this, we can vote for it and/or for City Commissioners who can do what they do to make it happen.My question - How does fining someone $50 (or any amount) get the sidewalk cleared. Most likely the person reporting it has long since gotten past or around the problem. My problem is that I WORK (sorry about that - I'd love to be sitting home eating bon bons...), and, often it has either snowed overnight or snowed during the day, while I'm gone. Sometimes, by the time I get home after work, the snow has already been walked on and it's a big task. I try as best I can, but the most frustrating thing that also often happens is that I did practically kill myself getting it cleared off and then, the next day, the sun comes out and it all melts anyhow.I understand that as a property owner I do have responsibilities. However, in this economy when we are all struggling to just deal with the basics and hold on to our properties, this seems like a pretty low blow.You know we all holler at our kids to pick up their dirty clothes and we know that we should make them do it themselves every time. But come on, sometimes when it's just a sock or two, now and then, what the heck, just pick it up and put it where it belongs. Use a little bit of common sense.Also, I wonder which is cheaper - all this talk, meetings, paperwork, etc. associated with trying to penalize people who don't get it done (for whatever reason) OR just setting aside a few bucks to pay some crews once or twice each winter to go around and just DO IT???? I think that sidewalks SHOULD be dealt with in a way similar to roads, parks, even schools, etc. Not all of us use all of them, either, but all property owners ARE paying for them - for the good of the whole. People who are NOT property owners are NOT paying for any sidewalks, and yet, particularly because they are likely NOT in an income situation that allows them to be property owners, I'd guess they are most likely to be those who ARE walking on them. So, that may not seem fair, either. And, isn't that what the government is for? to work for the good of the whole? Maybe this should be a "utility" option, along with water, sewage and sanitation? It could be funded by adding a dollar or two to each property's "water" bill to build up a reserve, to be used for snow removal???Chic

David Albertson 6 years ago

This is another reason why I rufuse to live in Lawrence.

yoornotmee 6 years ago

I'm okay with a $35 fine, but I think $50 is ridiculous. I also like the idea of removing the sidewalk in front of your house. That's hilarious. I'm trying to think of other things that a homeowner could do to the sidewalk in front of their house, since it's their sidewalk and all. I mean, I own my house, I'm responsible for maintaining it but I also have the freedom to do neat stuff to it, like paint it psychedelic or install a water fountain. If the sidewalk is mine, can I make some fun upgrades to it? Could I turn it into a "haunted house" around Halloween? Could I charge users of "my" sidewalk, perhaps have season passes? Could my sidewalk succeed from the nation and be it's own country with it's own laws? What would happen if I built a snowman on my sidewalk? A snow family? What if my snow family protested the clearing of snow from the sidewalk? Would the city demand the massacre of my snow family? "Murder the snow family or be charged $50". What's one to do in that situation? Could I claim that my sidewalk has a spirit living within it and that it wishes to remain snow-covered? Could I get away with claiming religious persecution in that situation?

Tammie Bryant 6 years ago

Is it a conflict of interest if the people that enforce the ordinance also own a company that could perform the snow removal for you?

del888 6 years ago

here's what I do: When the forcast calls for snow, I put snow melt all over my driveway BEFORE it snows. The snow melts when it hits the drive. I don't shovel much.

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