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Libby Phelps and Logan Alvarez

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fanaddict 3 years, 11 months ago

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 11 months ago

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verity 3 years, 11 months ago

And? Nice photo but why is it posted?

I find the lower left hand part of the photo very interesting. Looks like someone jimmied the lock.

fanaddict 3 years, 11 months ago

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libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

It was posted because we're getting married! Duuuhhh!!!

Stop reading so much into the lock. It was a nice spot for the picture (the colored ones are freakin awesome because the door is yellow and we had bright multi-colored shirts on) and the "jimmied lock" adds character to the photograph, don't ya think? :)

Mike Ford 3 years, 11 months ago

I look into that face and I see the same eyes I saw glaring at me at many street corners in Topeka, KS in the 1990's. Take away the hair and I see Fred.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

Actually, I don't recall glaring at all my entire life. & as a matter of fact, my eyes are looking down and you are unable to see the sparkle in them...too bad for you.

verity 3 years, 11 months ago

Thank you for the information.

Could the jimmied lock in the photo be symbolic of Libby Phelps having broken out?

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Not a Topeka wedding, I see. Let's hope she's left the cult.

But, if not, it would be funny if a private event such as this were picketed by concerned citizens. Sort of a preview of the festivities to be enjoyed some day in Topeka.

verity 3 years, 11 months ago

Ag, chalk the eagle eyes up to my "useless" liberal arts education. The pose and high technical quality of the photo tell me that the photographer was a professional. Even if the clutter in the background was not intentional, a professional would have cropped it out unless there was some reason for it to be there.

verity 3 years, 11 months ago

Usually I agree with you, but no it wouldn't be funny if their wedding were picketed (although I wouldn't mind a trip to Cozumel).

She shouldn't be punished for the sins of her family. And if she grew up in that atmosphere, I'm sure she has been punished quite enough. Maybe they're going to Cozumel so the family won't picket.

scott3460 3 years, 11 months ago

Agreed, that's why I qualified the statement.

George_Braziller 3 years, 11 months ago

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libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

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whats_going_on 3 years, 9 months ago

ahhh I wish I could hear that Lazlo interview. Love that show.

verity 3 years, 11 months ago

Libby and Logan, congratulations! I wish you all the happiness in the world in your marriage and future life.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

Haha...this comment made us laugh! ....even if you weren't trying to be funny...

LadyJ 3 years, 11 months ago

That's funny considering your recent remarks today about Leonard Pitts, just pointing that out.

LadyJ 3 years, 11 months ago

I must interpret "Lenny blows" differently than you I guess. :)

been_there 3 years, 11 months ago

Don't you love it when someone gets caught doing the very same thing they chastise others for doing and then insist that's not what they are doing?

ivalueamerica 3 years, 11 months ago

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ivalueamerica 3 years, 11 months ago

hate is a human emotion, everyone has it.

It is a matter of how it is directed.

I took my hate of Phred Phelps and channeled it into doing peer counseling to LGBT youth with a focus on suicide prevention.

What have you done with your hate? besides waste it here on the boards?

I judge phred on his actions, not because of his color or sexual orientation or religious afiliation, but on his actions.

THREEBOYZZZ 3 years, 11 months ago

LIBBY HAS LEFT THE CHURCH AND HAS STARTED A NEW LIFE. I WISH HER AND LOGAN ALL THE BEST. PEOPLE ARE READING TOO MUCH INTO THE BROKEN LOCK IN THE PHOTO. LOGAN AND LIBBY ARE VERY HAPPY AND I HOPE IT STAYS THAT WAY, SHE IS A WONDERFUL ASSET TO MY FAMILY AND I LOVE HER VERY, VERY MUCH.

imastinker 3 years, 11 months ago

  1. Leave her alone George - she's likely been through hell since then from her former family. The other members that left the congregation were also.

I for one am wishing them both the best.

been_there 3 years, 11 months ago

I can't help but remember that the families at those funerals probably just wanted to be left alone too. I wish her well, but she is just suffering the consequences of her actions.

imastinker 3 years, 11 months ago

I understand where you are coming from - but she was just a kid. She still is a kid.

I've done some reading on the members of the Phelps' clan that left and it's a pretty terrible experience. I would have to imagine she had to tow the party line for a while working up the courage to do it. Growing up in that family sure has to screw with a person's head. I imagine it takes a while to "deprogram" all that nonsense. At least she figured it out and did it.

If you can't forgive her for these actions you're no better than Fred himself. She couldn't help who she was born to any more than you and I can.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

Yeah George! Leave me alone! George is a funny name; I just like to write it down and say it out loud. Is that alright with you, George?

George_Braziller 3 years, 11 months ago

If she supposedly left the "church" in March of 2009, then why is she obviously still actively involved seven months later?

been_there 3 years, 11 months ago

Didn't say I didn't forgive her, if her views have changed, but that she should realize that there will still be consequences. Just the same as any kid doing something stupid in his youth that follows him for years. I imagine peer presure can be a strong influence much like family pressure.

Kris_H 3 years, 11 months ago

I wish them both well, too. It's not easy to lose baggage from your past, especially family baggage.

However, I too have trouble looking at that face and not seeing the same face out on the street corners holding a hateful sign. How old was she in 2009? If she was over 18 then and had still been involved in the picketing activities up until then, well...she's got to expect some people remembering her in that way.

If she truly is through with all that, I hope she also at least privately is sorry for it too.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

If you have trouble looking at my face without seeing the same face you saw in earlier years you would know about how old I was. It's real simple...think of the last time you saw me and what age you thought I was, then add the years up that followed. Stop acting like you recognize me. You don't know me and I don't know you. Get over it. We're getting happily married so stop hatin!!!

kujmom 3 years, 11 months ago

If you have left the Westboro "church", why don't you just say so? It would help clear up a lot of questions and would certainly put you in a more positive light.

08Champs 3 years, 11 months ago

There is an interview Ms Phelps did with the Religion in Kansas project recently -

http://web.ku.edu/~ksreligion/transcripts/lphelps.pdf

Counseling is never a bad idea - wish her, her fiancee, and little one well.

Chicago_82 3 years, 11 months ago

Libby and Logan, congratulations on your engagement!

08Champs 3 years, 11 months ago

Strange comment .. watching too much Showbiz Tonight?

The child is older - from a previous relationship from what I hear.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

What in the world does your last sentence mean?

08Champs 3 years, 11 months ago

It was my understanding that you have a child? If that is not accurate, I will apologize of course.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

Hahaha...no I don't have a child silly. I'm not married yet. Hopefully we'll have some cute chubby little cheeks to pinch in a few years :)

been_there 3 years, 11 months ago

libphelps says: "You don't know me and I don't know you. Get over it. We're getting happily married so stop hatin!!!" I hope this is also your new philosophy on life and you no longer are "hatin" gays, Jews, the military and America. A simple "I'm sorry about the picketing and I regret it" would assure people you have changed.

SashaM 2 years, 10 months ago

I totally agree that an apology is due! I'm actually not overly sure that she can blame her attitude entirely on the so-called church.

"In the testimonial, Libby and Jael explain that they hope and pray that no one outside of Westboro becomes "elect", because they want everyone else in the world to die horribly and burn in Hell, and that even if they did not believe their actions were dictated by God, they would still do and enjoy them anyway."

In other words, even if she weren't in the church, she'd love doing the same kind of thing. She isn't in the church and she won't apologise, so what does that lead us to believe?

Kirk Larson 3 years, 11 months ago

We are all stuck with our families. Some have more to overcome than others. Good luck with that.

libphelps 3 years, 11 months ago

You guys are cracking me up! You understand when you get engaged, it's socially acceptable to post an engagement announcement with a picture?? Once you submit your information (including the picture), it is out of the control of the submitter. Funny how everyone keeps referring to my "hatin" comment...my fiance was the one who told me to say that! Isn't he cute?? :)

been_there 3 years, 11 months ago

So Libby, have you changed your opinions at all about Jews, America, the military and gays? It looks like your reasons for leaving the church were personal, not about their views. Come on, tell us about how you have changed.

jehovah_bob 3 years, 11 months ago

Why do we need to know if she has changed her opinions? Does the issue at hand (that being her engagement and pending marriage) weigh on if she has changed her opinions? And why should she change her opinions?

This isn't an article on Libby and how she's changed her ways. This is a thread hijacked from the "couples" section by whoever the first commenter was, clearly trying to stir something up. And they have done remarkably well if it is still in the most discussed tab five days later.

08Champs 3 years, 11 months ago

I think the public curiousity about Libby is justifiable in that she spent the majority of her ilfe in a very public manner. As a child, certainly there was little choice, as an adult she is assumed to have made her own choices (and that includes leaving Westboro.)

Some posters are curious about what her current feelings are in regard to homosexuality, the military, etc. because of the extremilty of Westboro's views, and maybe they have witnessed the picketing? Maybe they recognize her from their child's high school graduation, a concert, a funeral....

Maybe they see irony in the fact that she wants to free from scrutiny and judgment about how she lives her life. Something the families burying their own, the celebrating high schoolers and military members, and the gays that are our family members, neighbors, co-workers and friends weren't given by Westboro (I can't call it a church).

Most posters have wished her well with her upcoming marriage, as do I. Most would have been happy to see her make a statement that in some way refutes the extreme views and hatefulness that Westboro represents. Everyone deserves a second chance, the benefit of the doubt, and so on, but I expect that courtesy will not be extended if her viewpoints remain unchanged.

justsmurfy 3 years, 9 months ago

Awww! Please accept the warmest of congratulations I can convey through the internets. Hope your new life together is full of happiness and warm-gooey fuzzies!

whats_going_on 3 years, 9 months ago

What a beautiful couple...seriously.

And awesome photo!

Armored_One 3 years, 7 months ago

Dunno why this just popped up on the list of articles, but I worked for the groom's father years ago when he had an electrician's business. If the son is anything like the father, I think this young lady has landed herself one heck of a good guy.

As to her side of things, back the frick up.

We might have issues with part of her family, but unless you see her out there, chanting away with the rest of her family, store it. If she is, I've pretty sure that Dave will have a word or two to say about it. Since I don't look too closely at them while they picket, I've got no proof to the contrary.

Wish them both the best.

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