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Do you think Lawrence needs smart traffic lights?

Asked at Checkers, 2300 La. on January 30, 2006

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Photo of Lisa Fredrickson

“I’m sure there are certain places where they would be very useful, but not everywhere. Just at certain intersections that have traffic problems.”

Photo of Patrick Brown

“Yes. Driving back from Kansas City, I have to pick up one daughter on the west side of town and my other daughter up on the south side. It would save me a lot of time.”

Photo of Maria Otero

“If the city has enough money to get them, it would be great, but I don’t think it’s a necessity. I don’t think Lawrence has that bad of a traffic problem.”

Photo of Jason Holladay

“I think the ones we have now are just fine. I don’t think we need to spend any money for smart lights.”

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gradstudent_phd 8 years, 2 months ago

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muslim 8 years, 2 months ago

I

thought

save

the

whales

was

someone

we

know.

thanks,

muslim

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 2 months ago

Nice job Oh Bob-onemore...would like to get the deleted stuff pretty please.

this guy's a real piece ov worrkk!


Sunflower-sue, I dunno what's the pizza' joint's problem, they've certainly got pepper and garlic. maybe you should get a lawyer to represent you against the pizza joint, I think there's suddenly a lawyer with time on his hands, though he might submit your legal submissions IN ALL CAPS, YELLING ALL THE WAY!

on second thought, just stuff his mouth with garlic and peppers and roast him.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm back. Got about 4 ounces of Ethopian Sidamo beans done up to something like French Roast. I'll let it sit tonight & do the brew thing in the morning. Sorry, bea, it just all happened very quickly. His lid was trembling, but who'd have thought it was gonna flip entirely. BTW, I saved a lot of the explosion as a word document. Anyone who wants to view the wreckage could email me thru my profile & I will reply to you thru your ljw profile. It's on my pc at work, so don't look for anything before morning.

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beatrice 8 years, 2 months ago

Okay, if you guys are gonna start fights and make people blow a gasket, please do the rest of us the courtesy of making sure to drag them over to this main post! OMB gets someone so worked up that they phone in a complaint about bob to LJW, and then continues to post enough angry stuff (about bob? about life? about God?) to get permanently ryan-ized, and I missed it all because I was too busy at work to glance at all the posts on related sites. Not fair!

I second the "Great job" to Aiko!! Scary how the crazy ones often look so normal.

Oh, and sure, I guess, on the smart lights.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

What a day! I'm saying "good evening". I've done some research & am going to try roasting coffee beans at home tonight. If you look out & see a huge black column of smoke in the southwest in the morning, you'll know things didn't go as planned.

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Gootsie 8 years, 2 months ago

Oh good point C.

never mind

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Ceallach 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm now taking a break on May 12, 2010.

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Ceallach 8 years, 2 months ago

Do all y'all REALLY want to go down the slippery slope of workday computer usage :-/ Once it gets started, well, it may get ugly! Not for me of course, since I only use my break times :)

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Gootsie 8 years, 2 months ago

Nice sleuthing there, Aiko. You get five minutes free on the pole!

Maybe Sandy Praeger would be interested to see this going on during the workday, assuming he is working today. She liable to not like it.

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linux_chick 8 years, 2 months ago

scandalous, OMB, truly scandalous ;)

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Aiko, any comment I could make would ........ (fill in the blank with something liable-ous).

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RonBurgandy 8 years, 2 months ago

Hey, I didn't know Brett Ballard got married.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 2 months ago

I'll bet the Kansas Insurance Department won't be happy to know what he spends his time on instead of doing what the state taxpayers are paying him to do.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 2 months ago

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RonBurgandy 8 years, 2 months ago

Way to go Bob, how dare you express freedom of speech on the ljw message board.

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linux_chick 8 years, 2 months ago

... some students are working very hard.

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linux_chick 8 years, 2 months ago

Confrontation:

I hate generalizations like these. You're taking some undue venting, I admit... but if I have to hear from one more person about how college is the time of my life, I'm going to puke.

Last semester, I was on campus by 7:30am everyday and in class or working until 7pm. Then meeting up w/ required class groups at 8. Then, I had the joy of doing homework until 2am at the earliest. Wake up and do it again.

I had 14-all-nighters last semester alone. And the weekends were no better.

Honestly, I can't wait to have a 9-to-5; at least then, I'll the break.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Nice work, Bob. Just what this world needs. Another t'd off lawyer.

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Confrontation 8 years, 2 months ago

I can understand why the students don't think the traffic is bad. By the time they wake up at 10am (earliest), the traffic really isn't that bad. Then, when they drive to the clubs at 11pm, it's not that bad.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey 8 years, 2 months ago

Lawrence needs smart drivers, not lights.

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prospector 8 years, 2 months ago

Singer for Guns and Roses

Well, singer I guess, is a stretch.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 2 months ago

An ax/shovel hybrid type of tool.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Prospector, thanks for stepping up. After I read back over what I said, I knew I'd lobbed one right over the plate. :)

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prospector 8 years, 2 months ago

one-more-bob said,"Well-adjusted lights speed up traffic"

If not, do they end up at DECCA for treatment?

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Well-adjusted lights speed up traffic. Otherwise, not so much.

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unfrumpy 8 years, 2 months ago

linux chick u obviously do not understand how traffic works. lights speed up traffic, not slow it down.

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badger 8 years, 2 months ago

Marion -

You utterly missed

the purpose

of my reference

to Ted Kennedy.

He was simply

the most liberal

and supportive of taxation

and government increase

that I could think of.

We all know

about Chappaquiddick

and even those of us

who weren't yet in grade school

recognize that it

has had the sum total

of its effect on

American politics.

T h a n k s

Badja!

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militant 8 years, 2 months ago

"Where the veterans dream of the fight, fast asleep at the traffic light"

The Pretender

Jackson Browne,

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linux_chick 8 years, 2 months ago

How is it condusive to traffic flow to add traffic lights whenever more cars are on a single road? This seems backwards to me.

Example: Iowa is a throughway. We should be pushing that traffic through, but instead we create bottlenecks, stopping the flow of traffic for side-streets.

Stoplight-madness on a 3-mile-stretch on Iowa: 6th 9th Harvard 15th 19th 23rd 25th 27th 31st

And I'm probably missing a few. For the love of God, smart traffic lights are a start...

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Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 8 years, 2 months ago

Right on Sunflower Sue. I have to drive in Kansas City sometimes, and they have plenty of traffic lights, but you're dealing with 6 lanes of traffic, not 4. Lawrence is no longer a small town. It is going to take longer to get from point a to point b. Turn on the radio and chill to some music. It's one of the few times in the day, I can just relax. The rest of the day is rush, rush, rush.

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prospector 8 years, 2 months ago

Badger

I enjoyed your design on the blight. Some do not know about the downtown art until they have drunkenly run into it on the sidewalks(the one without cars). Being enlightened,they proceed, wearing their beer goggles, to make it better,try to rip it off, or just vandalize the work of others. Sadly, the next morning the enlightenment is gone, and they are left to wonder,how did I get this lump on my head? What is this hunk of tangled metal doing in my bed? It must have been a good party.

Thanks

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linux_chick 8 years, 2 months ago

Thank God!

I hate driving around in Lawrence because of the stupid way stoplights are thrown up for piddly streets and not timed well.

I just moved to California and in a city larger than Lawrence, I'm surprised how quickly I can get from one side of town to the other without a highway. I have yet to wait longer than 30 seconds at a stoplight with several times more cars on the road than back home.

It's about time.

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prospector 8 years, 2 months ago

We had better be careful. The present traffic lights may get an inferiority complex, feel disciminated against, and then we get the traffic light chasing lawyer ads, "Have you had to change other than at your appointed intervals? Lights, are you losing your jobs to roundabouts? Are you waved at for no apparent reason? If so, contact our office at, 1-800-BE YELLOW. You have the right to change if noboby is there and I will bring you stupid=happy justice." ( show picture of pile of money under a red light changing green)

There goes the art budget.

Beatrice Get the big sword out for thoses sacred cows.

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BunE 8 years, 2 months ago

Beatrice, I love you.

Public Art is as old as civilization. It is well worth our tax dollars. Golf may be the most boring activity outside that there is.

Lawrence's roads are pretty good, I have yet to break an axel on them.

Gosh My taxes Are high, I can barely afford my Mc Mansion. If you cut my taxes, I pledge to employ 10 more people. If only the poor and the sick would stay out of my way and off the puplic Teat, I could finally get that scarab I have been dreaming about for Clinton Lake! That keeps the boatmakers in business.

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Marion Lynn 8 years, 2 months ago

Badger:

To an extent you are correct but I am really much more of a Libertarian than a conservative.

On Fat Teddy, when I need lessons of any kind on anything from The Hero Of Chappaquiddick I will have a tag on my toe!

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkopechne.htm

You've got to remember that Fat Teddy is the guy who let a young woman drown in his overturned car in the less than six feet of water he drunkenly drove that car into, while he scurried away to sober up before even reporting the accident.

You do realise that in anywhere else in the nation the guy would have been charged and convicted of not less than manslaughter in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne?

Has the event occured today, he might very well have recieved a sentence which would lock him up for the rest of his life but when you are the son of a fmaous bootlegger, stock manipulator, loanshark and influence peddler you can get away with a lot.

Thanks.

Marion.

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badger 8 years, 2 months ago

But beatrice, silly child, don't you understand? Art is stupid and golf is cool.

I agree with you. Art is important to the character of a city, and helps determine the perception of the city that people will take away with them. Every city has potholes and stupid drivers and traffic problems. The lack of them rarely stands out. I almost never hear anyone say something like, "We went to Lubbock for vacation. There really wasn't much there to see, or even do, but boy howdy was it nice to drive around because they have so little traffic and so few potholes!"

I like coming back to Lawrence to see the different pieces of art out on Mass. It's more memorable, more interesting than just plain, boring sidewalks. I even have pretty happy memories about some of the past art, which I've usually made up my own names and interpretations for.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 2 months ago

Bea, Fully agree with you on art. We need more...way more. All kinds of art. Few people realize the benefit of mind and body associated with art. You have motivated me. I'm going to stroll out and check out the Lawrence Art Guild's show today at the Art's Center. Grand idea!

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beatrice 8 years, 2 months ago

bankboy: If I'm not mistaken, "The Dada Month" declaration didn't actually cost a thing, it was funny, and it gave Lawrence national exposure as a fun place, separate from college basketball. I had people who knew that I had lived there coming up and talking about it -- in a very positive way. In all, I would say very well done.

Studies have shown that there is a positive economic return on money spent on public art through tourism and locals out to see the work, which results in money spent at local businesses. Can't complain about that.

Here is an idea for you -- if you want your roads fixed, ask the local golfers to fully finance their own course, since it benefits so few. Or, instead of continuing with massive tax cuts for the wealthiest of the wealthy during a time of huge deficits AND while the country is at war ... well, you get the idea, but I suppose you think this as somehow anti-American since it is against Bush's rich buddies' plans to insure they remain rich. So keep attacking "art," since I'm sure the money spent in this life-improving arena could fill maybe a half dozen pot holes.

Or, here is another idea -- tax the churches. That will certainly pay for your potholes, and then some.

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Jayhawk226 8 years, 2 months ago

Informed has it right...

...I think Lawrence needs "smart" city officials instead. Some smarter citizenry wouldn't hurt either.

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militant 8 years, 2 months ago

If the smart signals "wave" traffic through, that might be too distracting.

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RonBurgandy 8 years, 2 months ago

That sounds good sue...mmm, mmm good.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 2 months ago

gnome, All I want is a large garlic and pepper encrusted potroast on top of a piece of dough. They keep whining that it won't fit in the box and that it would cost too much to retrofit a box for me. YEASH!

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RonBurgandy 8 years, 2 months ago

bearded_gnome-but think of the tax dollars to pay each crossing guard!

Downs going to Gonzaga? Does he know that life isn't going to be much easier for him there? I guess that he will be closer to home though...

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 2 months ago

agreed, smart traffic lights might save a little gas, but really Lawrence needs to think deeper and fix the entire road system, instead of what would be another bandaid.


Sunflower_sue, a few days ago you said you couldn't get a pizza delivered...what are you trying to order on that there pizza?


if instead of smart lights, we set up a waving crossing guard at each intersection, might work better?

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badger 8 years, 2 months ago

Bankboy, I must have missed the part in the Bill of Rights that guaranteed me "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Stupid." I suppose happiness = bliss, and bliss = ignorance, so loosely translated, happy = stupid.

I commend so many of our fine elected officials for what I now see is a strict Constitutionalist stand, not just the results of falling off a few horses or out of highchairs thirty or forty times as children.

Lack of intelligent behaviour isn't a right, it's a blight.

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bankboy119 8 years, 2 months ago

Bea that would be great, if the economical things were taken care of first. It doesn't matter how much Dada you have if you spend all day in traffic so you can't see it anyways. Or all day in the shop because your axel just broke by hitting the pothole that's been there for the last 6 months. Or in jail because you just robbed the bank to pay for your sidewalk repairs that weren't done right the last 2 times.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Smart Traffic Lights. Sure, whatever. I seriously doubt the current Dumb Traffic Lights are the source of our traffic issues.

Go Hawks! Looking good, looking good.

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kpippen 8 years, 2 months ago

No, i love idling at intersections with no traffic within site.

The roads are great too.

Keep it up City, great work.

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bankboy119 8 years, 2 months ago

Intelligence is too much to ask from people. It's their right to be dumb if they want to. And if they want to be a bad driver then they can because, well, it's their right to be.

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RonBurgandy 8 years, 2 months ago

Roundabouts wouldn't be so bad, if people knew what to do when they came up to one...

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beatrice 8 years, 2 months ago

Intelligent roundabouts! Now that is where money should be spent.

On a side note -- there is something fundamentaly wrong with a person's priorities when they routinely complain about having too much "art" in their life. I say we could all use more art, more music, more dance, more love, and more happiness in our lives.

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BunE 8 years, 2 months ago

What we need are intelliget drivers. Follow the lights, stop at stop signs and yield at traffic circles.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Oh yeah, traffic lights. As long as they're not scanning to see how much money I have in my pocket, I'm all for intelligent traffic lights.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 2 months ago

Badger and Bob... as always, thank you.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 2 months ago

badger, I do agree with you about the gas usage. But I also agree with you about the breakage. Like those darn ice makers in the fridge. I love the fact that I can get filtered water and ice through the fridge door. I also know it will be the first thing that breaks.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 2 months ago

"...money stolen from the people through the legalised theft of taxation on the basic requirements of food, clothing and shelter."

Swept

away

in

a

tsunami

of

hyperbole

.

T h a n k s ,

o m b

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RonBurgandy 8 years, 2 months ago

I'm for this one, the more help Lawrence traffic gets, the better. Why don't they just build a huge bridge over lawrence connecting k-10 on both sides, like the old Boston artery. Then we wouldn't have to worry about the wetlands or whatever else is getting in the way of finishing the SLT. Or better yet, let's spend several billion dollars digging a tunnel under the town connecting these and then have that tunnel start to fall apart w/in a year of completion like the big dig did in boston. If anyone has anything to complain about, it's them.

If these lights are working in KC, and improving gas mileage and saving time, it's worth it.

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badger 8 years, 2 months ago

Marion asked:

"How's that for a comment from a conservative?"

About normal, I'd say. Railing against taxes and the irresponsible way they're spent is as much a conservative's hallmark as railing against government's failure to care for its poor and fund its schools is a liberal one. Eh. Now, show me Ted Kennedy saying too many things are taxed, and that'll be something.

s_s: I agree to a point. The time spent at stoplights shouldn't annoy or aggravate you, because it's utterly beyond your control. However, if lights like this can keep traffic flowing more smoothly and save a few gallons of gas overall, then I think that's a good thing.

I do, though, think that Lawrencians ought to bear in mind that the more complex something gets, the more chance it has of breaking.

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 2 months ago

Call me crazy. I try to leave the house on time to get to where I'm going. I know there will be things to impede my progress like farmers on tractors, 99 year old drivers, and those pesky traffic lights, but that's OK. I can still manage to get myself and both kiddies (and sometimes even a hubby) out of the door in time. While sitting at the light, take solice in the fact that you have no control. For a mere minute (or less) you can sit and do absolutely nothing! If you're really adventurous, have a conversation with whomever is in the car with you. You might learn something.

Lawrence needs to take a chill pill.

Thanks.

sunflower_sue

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Marion Lynn 8 years, 2 months ago

After alll, the money being spent is not their money.....it is money stolen from the people through the legalised theft of taxation on the basic requirements of food, clothing and shelter.

How's that for a comment from a conservative?

Thanks.

Marion.

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bankboy119 8 years, 2 months ago

You know Lawrence would have more money to spend if they didn't spend $200k+ per round about or $50k on crap, I'm sorry, "art." Everyone who said that Lawrence needs a smarter city commission is correct.

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Norma Jeane Baker 8 years, 2 months ago

OTTR has hit the nail on the head: finish the bypass! Marion is also correct in saying we need the technology of smart lights. We need to live in the present, not the nostalgia of "days gone by" or "that's the way it's always been done".

neopolss, you're correct about the roundie near Clinton Lake. What an abomination!! What a waste of money!

While the current commission seems to have more dollars than sense, the rest of us continue to pay for their mismanagement and misuse of our tax dollars.

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bmwjhawk 8 years, 2 months ago

Everyone, but on my commute: 6th and Lawrence. 6th and Monterey. 6th and Folks. The lights in this city are horrible. Anybody who doesn't think so is inattentive to traffic. I suppose that cell phone conversations can distract from the hideous nature of driving in this town. Perhaps I'll start talking on one, too.

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neopolss 8 years, 2 months ago

One look at the roundabout near Clinton Lake will tell you that the money is not being spent wisely. So many potholes could have been filled!

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offtotheright 8 years, 2 months ago

Finish the bypass!

And yes, it seems that the only thing we really need is a 'smart commish'!

Tired of paying for the crap they come up with.

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Marion Lynn 8 years, 2 months ago

began advocating for smart traffic light technology several years ago in the wake of the Wreck Of The Roundabouts.

Smart technology is already in use throughout the resdt of the world to speed traffic flow and minimise unnecessary waiting times at intersections.

While sensors may occasionally fail causing temporary problems, the SCOOT technology and smart lights will save fuel and more efficiently move traffic.

This is not to say that such smart lights belong at every interstection in Lawrence as there are those with a traffic flow that does not mandatea the use of the technology.

The essentially mechanically timed Green/Yellow/Stop system was invented by a police offcer some ninety years ago and although works faithfully, much like an old dog, it has for the most part seen its day.

Smart traffic technology is in use in most major cities wrold-wide and because of the unique compactness of Lawrence and its road system is a necessity.

Roundabouts can be quite pretty and decorative but actually do little to significantly improve traffic flow, improve safety or save energy.

Coupled with very high initial construction costs and very expensive long term maintainence figures, the roundabout should go the way of the horse.

Some good info on SCOOT technology may be found here:

http://www.iol.ie/~discover/traffic.htm

Lawrence should catch up to the twenty-first century.

Thanks.

Marion.

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killjoy 8 years, 2 months ago

No one who's ever driven in Lawrence would ever use the term "intelligent design."

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Norma Jeane Baker 8 years, 2 months ago

What about getting a smart city commission instead??

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