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Do you think it’s fair for lawmakers to increase taxes on X-rated businesses and products?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 28, 2005

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“Yes. I believe in charging a sin tax, because it helps keep other taxes low and goes to fund important programs.”

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“No. I think the people who are in favor of increasing the tax on it are people who aren’t into it. Are they going to increase taxes on fast food because it’s bad for you, but have all the health food stores be exempt?”

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“I don’t think it’s fair. Just because their interests differ from mine doesn’t mean they should be taxed for it.”

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“No, I think that any legal business should be taxed equally.”

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

memoirs, the problem is 'Get AROUND it'.

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jayhawks71 8 years, 4 months ago

eliminate the "tax exempt" status of religious organizations. They should get no special treatment and the practice is tantamount to government endorsement of religion, even if not endorsement of A religion.

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wandy 8 years, 4 months ago

Can we have toll roundabouts?

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memoirs_of_a_sleepwalker 8 years, 4 months ago

Kansans never tire of talking about roundabouts. Get over it.

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nudist 8 years, 4 months ago

I hope the tax doesn't create some kind of underground market. I'd hate to have XXX material turn into something that carries a stigma.
example: "Hey, I heard your parents got caught with a toy that had not tax stamp". Of course that would add that extra spark to those who want to be bad while being bad.

I think a roundabout tax might be a moneymaker though.

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

made it back after 25minutes...gnomedog liked the weather.

Azure, you used to work at the "cryer?" I remember that place...no, I wasn't one of the customers you described!

91 here, good job boys and girls, and nobody needed to have their blocks taken away, but I certainly am curious about posts "removed by the site staff."

night all.

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Azure_Attitude 8 years, 4 months ago

As much as I find pornography (bold AND italic typeface and double underscore!!!) completely vile, reprehensible and preys on some of the most vulnerable people in our society, survivors of childhood sexual abuse, I do not think the powers that be in this state could succesfully accomplish something productive out of this.

and, YEAH, Carpel tunnel! I am sure there are plenty of fellas our there "surfing" the web for hours each day causing as much damage to themsleve over their porn as I do at my PC all day. Town Crier had a HUGE porn section and I am sure those creeps that freqented that section have got to be hooked up to the www. That's fine with me - though I long ago abandoned retail work and moved on to much better things, the www is saving some poor retail clerk from being leered at, approached with inappropriate comments, or had to give a person the not-for-a-brick-of twenties look when asked out on a "date."

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

This comment was removed by the site staff for violation of the usage agreement.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Kansas-Don't like the weather? Try pleather!

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Kansas-You are not paying me to think

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

bye for a while, off to walk gnome in the wonter winderland."

OMB...you could send along that slogan to the letters to the editor section!
to me, they seem to print anything bizzarre and crazy there, so why not your sending in that slogan?

if I don't return in a few hours, send a search party.

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

I like that OMB...........

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Badger, my memory fails me. Are you up in the People's Republic of Austin?

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

omb -

Can you believe it's almost 'jacket-weather' time? I'll have to wear my long hiking pants this weekend unless I want to wait until afternoon to go out! Man, having to wait until 12:30 to put on shorts is just wintry!

grin

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

If anyone is just all eat up to hear the new KS slogan, send me a email thru my profile. Mature audiences only.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

OMB - You should create an alias much like a couple other folks on here have and then say whatever you want. Heck, you could even start arguments with yourself. Good fun would be had.

Trinity - You are correct on the word rape.

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

80,

the weather banner says "precipitation/30.0F, and the bridges are starting to slick up...drive carefully out there!

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

Wow, trinnity and I, same comment almost, same time...dangerous ripple in the snowy life force continuoum...

AVHJ... thanks for answering while I was away, you said much of what I would have : unrealistic expectations; also unreasonable appearance standards and sexual performance. mostly porn objectifies women, and nowadays sometimes men; much "legal porn" encourages violence against women.
an airbrushed perfection of female sexual pulchritude cannot be equalled in reality; or, a Mr. America/steel buns either!

Bea, guns do not impact your mind like owning porn does.

yes, "carpal tunnel" was meant sarcastic" and I should have marked it as such...was in a hurry with little time.

there are a few times during my average day when I can drop in here.

the point about STD's, more subtle: much porn can encourage increased sexual activity with human partners, risky behaviors.

still waiting for the poem that ties this all together!

taxation, as with taxing cigarettes, is a two edged sword. taxation then becomes 'necessary for the government to balance its books, and may imply a kind of government approval, besides the direct tax.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

I've got a suggested new state slogan that is so funny I darn near fell off my chair when I thought of it. However, posting it here would get me banned for life & possibly ear-notched. Trust me, it's a pip.

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

haha, bearded gnome (do you have the hat?)...GMTA baybeeeee!

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

i wasn't joking ceallach...the word rape isn't exclusive to sex crimes, yanno. it also means to violate, to plunder, to destroy. if they ain't plundering and violating me on ciggie tax then what are they doing exactly?

maybe you need to expand your mind to include word definitions outside of your base of reference eh? :)

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

and, if we legalize prostitution in Kansas, gives a whole new meaning to our brand new state motto: "Kansas, as big as you want to be."

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

omb-glad you used the old state slogan instead of the new one-"Kansas, as big as it gets"...or is it "as big as you think" either which way can be construed in a really naughty light! ;)

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Ceallach 8 years, 4 months ago

Posted by trinity (anonymous) on November 28, 2005 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

they already rape me on ciggie tax and liquor tax, leave my naughty stuff alone!


Shame on you trinity : Not a good joke!

Seems you may have either forgotten the meaning of rape or how to smoke a cigarette ;)

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

He said 'backdoor.'

OMB - Sax and Violins. You kill me.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Something to do when I-70 is closed and your already past Cabelo's.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Would this be a backdoor way to legalize it?

Live "products"?

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Legalize and tax prostitution if they want tax revenue. Nevada makes buckets on it.

This would make I-70 the states biggest attraction.

"The first whore house west of the Mississippi"- if your coming from the east.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

I hardly had to turn on the AC in my car this morning. Chilly, darned chilly.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

omb

I hear you guys are having cold weather. I can totally commiserate.

We got a cold front, and today, it's barely even going to hit 70!

I had to drive to work with the windows up!

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Yesterday a tornado was ripping thru Ft Riley at the same time a blizzard was closing I70 out past Goodland. What a state! Oh yeah, the question, no.

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

avhjmlk, I can se the first one I guess but I have to disagree with the second. I file is a file no matter the content. If your large files become detrimental to a pc than it is a size issue of how much data you can hold. Get a bigger hard drive. One can hide a virus and/or worm in any type of "executable"file. I think that if one person in the relationship truly feels that sex is not that important then do not marry that person. Do not try to change that person in what you want them to be vice-versa....It is snowing now..great........

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

Well, for one, I do think that boys who start looking at porn (I guess I mean videos, probably not print) before they're sexually active probably have unrealistic notions about what to expect in the bedroom, and then end up being disappointed with their girlfriends/wives who might not necessarily act like porn stars in bed.

Secondly, I think the biggest problem with porn over the internet is the likelihood that the files will have a detrimental effect on the computer (i.e. viruses, size of files, etc).

Thirdly, there are still people who marry someone without any or much pre-marital bedroom-type activity. Yes, this may be one of the maritally harmful effects of certain religious groups' teachings (including my own Catholic church), but there are also some who argue that sex shouldn't be the most important thing in a marriage. Something that takes up less than 5% of one's life (if calculated as 1 hour/day for 365) shouldn't wag the entire dog. I'm not saying it should be ignored, but giving up for that reason alone brings the entire relationship into question.

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bennyoates 8 years, 4 months ago

Oh, and two more things--if porn is taxed, does that mean that the schools who assign books that Dr. Steve Abrams thinks are pornographic, i.e. Black Boy, Beloved, and One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest--will be taxed?

And, taxation is all too often associated with punishment. Ideally, taxation is what makes it possible for people in the US to have a better material quality of life (in many areas) than their counterparts elsewhere on this sad planet. Compared to just about any other nation, we Americans have it damn good when it comes to taxes. This "sin" taxation strikes me as punishment for political gain, and I don't like it.

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bennyoates 8 years, 4 months ago

Some definitions of pornography define it as nothing more than violence against and objectification of women. If that is true--and in many cases, I think it is--then additional violent materials should be assigned a sin tax. This would include violent video games, and movies that celebrate aggression, either as amusement, or as a valid solution to human problems.

I hate Adam Sandler movies and think they do as much harm to society as Hustler magazine does. But I have no business punishing those who wish to attend them and then rent them on DVD, and then buy the DVD and the T-shirt, etc.

Personally, I'm against the "sin" tax, because I don't subscribe to the concept of sin. But if there is such a tax, I say, all or nothing. Tax all forms of expression that have the potential to harm human minds. The sheer absurdity of such an idea should be enough to discredit it.

However, I also think that a tax on materials that a community defines as pornography (presuming that we're using the Supreme Court's "community standards" definition) is inimical to the rights of individuals to dissent from that definition.

I also think it's just plain hypocritical, i.e., I agree with the guy who says that so long as a business is legal, it should be taxed in the same way as other legal businesses.

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

avhjmlk, what do you mean about "unrealistic expectations"? If you do not like what is or is not happening in the bedroom why did you marry that person anyway? I may be clueless in this but am curious because I hear many of my friends who say they were divorced, yes, divorced because their wives found porn on their pc.. it seems to me that they were looking for a reason anyway and this was a quick out.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

And, actually, the party was originally scheduled as a spa day, but I think it was cost-prohibitive for some of the invitees. I scheduled myself a spot after I was assured that they were licensed in pregnancy massage, also with the caveat that I might not be there (aka might be in labor).

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

Yes, the foot rub would have been helpful if I hadn't been so good at getting the baby to arrive myself!

I think that porn might cause break-ups, or at least strife, if it leads to unrealistic expectations about what bedroom activity is really like in most relationships.

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

I just got a call from IT. It has come to my attention that the web address for today's OTS has the letters 'xxx' in it. Apparently, the IT dpt. went into a Code Red situation. I told them the deal and they went to lunch. Good fun.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

I don't think porn causes breakups.

The inability to come to a reasonable and fair resolution over disparate attitudes towards porn can, though. Same as the inability to come to a reasonable and fair resolution over attitudes towards any issue will break up a relationship, really.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Perhaps you could have called Sylvia. We could have arranged a 'foot-massage' party. If you know what I mean :)

BTW, I learned how helpful foot massages were when my wife was pregnant. I even got to give her one too :P

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

I am curious, why does porn cause breakups between couples?

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Aiko, just stop when you need glasses.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

At that point, I should have been fat, miserable, and desperately in need of the kind of relaxation the party should have created.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

In her defense, badger, the baby was born 4 weeks early, so, therefore, was still a week pre-due the date of the party. It shouldn't have been an issue, so it's totally not her fault.

Like I said, I probably took it harder than someone else would have, mostly a result of situational coincidences....

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jonas 8 years, 4 months ago

This thread should start and end with. . . .

. . . . "why would anyone BUY porn?

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

Frankly, avhjmlk, I'd be looking pretty hard at the person who invited you without telling you that it was an 'adults only' function, because you can bet your bippy she was told that in no uncertain terms by the person she booked. She should have been given CLEAR instructions to pass on. She should have clarified with the woman whether or not a nursing baby was OK, and let you know that well in advance. I have seen the guidelines for one of these parties, and one of them does read, "No one under the age of 18 may be present for any reason, regardless of parental supervision." She didn't even have to spoil the surprise, just say, "Hey, it's going to be really loud; you should probably arrange a sitter or a family member for a couple of hours so you can really cut loose. You need it."

The presenter was forced into the position of being the bad guy for following the laws, and you were made uncomfortable, but the person who's really responsible is the one who didn't particularly think when setting up the invites.

And, Aiko, you say a judge would have thrown out the case. Maybe, maybe not. Not if the judge were minded like the state rep who says, "Let's not make things any easier on these people." Besides a court case, since most of the people doing these presentations are working in some capacity for a company, she also stood to lose her business for even being charged, whether the judge threw out her case or not. She also gets a police record that states she has been charged with a sex crime. None of these is worth risking for an afternoon's worth of sales.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

Bearded_gnome said: "Badger, might porn increase society's costs through: increased rates of carpal tunnel syndrome? broken families? stds? encouragement of sex crimes? [less certain of this.]"

Carpal tunnel: Usually, if you get carpal tunnel, it's much more related to the ergonomics at work than your porn habits. It's also not a surgery performed very often at taxpayer expense even among the unemployed. I'm also going to assume you were kind of kidding with this one.

Broken families: If porn breaks up a relationship, it's a good bet there was already something broken about that relationship, and counseling was in order either way. Most problems with porn in relationships come from a disparity in opinions as to how or when it should be used, miscommunications about what porn means to people, and the inability to respect one another's attitudes towards pornography. True porn addiction is a lot rarer than its vocal watchdogs would have us believe.

STDs: Well, at the risk of being crude, if you're using porn, who are you getting those STDs from? Computer viruses don't transfer to humans, and the majority of porn usage is either solitary or between couples who are already sexually active with one another. In the industry, rigorous testing has been implemented. If you fail the tests, you're off the set - and so is everyone you've worked with since your last clean test, until they undergo full testing as well. The STD infection rate in the porn industry is (I believe this is the stat I saw last) something like 10% of what it was ten years ago, and lower than the infection rate in the general public.

Encouragement of sex crimes: Well, there might be something to this one, actually, but generally only insofar as child porn goes. It's perfectly legal in most places to take pictures of yourself and provide them to anyone over the age of consent (provided you're over the age of consent) for any reason or compensation you feel appropriate. However, the people who look at adult porn aren't the same people who look at kiddie porn, the producers aren't the same, the industry isn't even the same. They're different animals entirely, and you won't find that most people who openly support porn are at all supportive of child pornography.

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italianprincess 8 years, 4 months ago

Tax???????????

What shall we tax next. I have been to and have had a few Passion Parties myself. I plan on having another one in the future also. They are fun to have and you do learn alot about yourself and your partner. I see nothing wrong with adding a little spice to the bedroom if needed. To tax adult items or stores that sell them is completely stupid.

Lets tax beer.......its not good for you anyway. Lets tax cigarettes.......they are not good for you. Lets tax magazines that are not good for you to read. This includes every romance novel ever written too.

Lets tax anything and everything else that may not be the norm for someone else who has nothing better to do with their time but ..............COMPLAIN about someone else's lifestyle.

Give me a break people. Are the people wanting to tax these adult items living in my house? Are they living in your house? Get a life of your own folks and let us live how we want.

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beatrice 8 years, 4 months ago

bearded: alcohol can break up a family, as can many other things, such as too much television, addiction to watching sports, being boring, etc. Do we know for a fact that porn leads to higher std numbers, or the encouragement of sex crimes? From what I understand, most stds are spread among randy young adults, and porn has little to do with this.

If porn does encourage sex crimes, do we go after the cause or the criminal, since clearly not all people who enjoy this form of entertainment committ crimes. Just like guns -- having them around encourages their use in illegal ways. So far in this country, we have primarily gone after the criminals, but left the guns in place. Which is the best method? To allow freedom of choice, or limit the choices available for the betterment of all? I certainly don't have the answer.

To answer the question: It isn't "fair," but I don't have a real problem with it because I feel a community has the right to determine taxes and set standards for itself, such as higher taxes on cigarettes. However, there should be a vote on this type of taxation. I also think Pleather Bob should get an HBO series.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

But, if anyone's having a Passions party, let me know. I'd probably enjoy it more this time around...

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

I know, I know. It's just not nice to stack that kind of reception at a bridal shower/bachelorette party on a first-time mother dealing with the "baby blues" with a poorly-nursing baby. I'm totally willing to admit that I took it harder than others would have because it was just one more thing that wasn't going my way (in addition to no sleep, etc...)

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

avhjmlf, if a judge would have accepted this a case he or she would have thrown it out anyway.

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

badger--I know all of those things, and I even know a good chunk of the legal history behind straight age-based standards. I still think it's absurd.

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bearded_gnome 8 years, 4 months ago

Badger, might porn increase society's costs through: increased rates of carpal tunnel syndrome? broken families? stds? encouragement of sex crimes? [less certain of this.]

Char: you serve your thanksgiving 'silk pies' at the passion parties? wow, now I really wish I were one of your in-laws!

Sigmund: LOL!

now, let's get a good poem going which combines this topic of today with roudabouts, balloons and train whistles?

see you all in a few hours.

beware the flurries o'doom today and the 30mph wind o'doom.

pleather Bob...tax tax tax....tax cavalry swords too. phew!

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

avladruioenmlk-

She wigged because the law doesn't recognize any of your reasons, and she is a business operator with a business license to lose. She faces criminal prosecution for all sorts of morals charges if it's found that she had anyone under 18, whether they are old enough to be cognizant of what's going on or not, present at one of her shows. The law just recognizes that she sold 'adult' items and engaged in what may be considered 'pornographic' demonstrations (some of these parties have some pretty graphic pictures, including movies) in the presence of a minor, not whether that minor is still sleeping in her parents' bedroom, that her visual acuity can't distinguish the items, or even that she had parental permission to be there.

Laws on age are simply written with an upper 'age of consent' and no other considerations are taken into account. She took a big risk by having the child in the same house, but could have made the argument (if challenged on it) that the child was not only secluded from the event, but also unable to walk down and observe it without parental permission or awareness.

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Badger is speaking the straight dope about working retail.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Sounds to me the group could benefit from making use of 'said' products. You didn't offer a demo did you ;)

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

TOB-not totally accurate. Less plastic/latex products, more stuff to smear/dust/massage on yourself or someone else that may or may not be edible...

Actually, so "x-rated" (I find this laughable) that there is a strict 18 or 21 plus (I can't remember which) rule. So strict, in fact, that when arrived with my 3 week old nursing baby at the first and only (so far) Passions party I've ever been invited to, not realizing what it was about, the Passions "sales rep" lady wigged out. She relented to allow the baby to be in the house with us, but I had to take her to a upstairs bedroom and put her down for a nap so that she wouldn't be in hearing/sight distance of what was going on.

I found this to be completely absurd for several reasons: 1) Aren't nursing mothers allowed to have a good time with the girls without having to find a babysitter for a 3-week old (esp. considering that my husband was out of town). 2) Said baby was barely old enough (if at all) to have the visual acuity to recognize my face, not to mention particular "products" on display. 3) Said baby had no active memory yet for information other than the basic mommy smell/appearance-type stuff. 4) Most babies that old/young are still in their parents' bedroom, often until well beyond the 6-week "you're good to go" all-clear from the OB...if you catch my drift.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

Oh, and neopolss?

I've never heard of Cyber Monday until this year, either. I think the media made it up. Of course, this is the media that cheerfully explained to me that 'Black Friday is so named because it often pushes businesses into profitability for the year.'

No one who ever worked a holiday season of retail has any doubt at all why it's called 'Black Friday.' However, I imagine that the business CEO's had conversations that went, "The kids on the floor call it WHAT?...Well, tell them to stop...What do you mean the newspapers are using that name now?...Well, come up with some reason that doesn't sound like our employees hate customers. I don't care how lame it sounds!"

When I was in retail, we called it Black Friday because it had the longest hours, the angriest customers, the highest percentage of theft, and the greatest likelihood that you'd spend half an hour explaining the features of a Nintendo to someone only to have them say, "Thanks, I'll go buy it at Target now. You've been most helpful and they were too busy to answer my questions, but it's five dollars less there." Even the last Saturday before Christmas wasn't as bad, because by then they were so desperate that if you had what they wanted, after they'd been to four stores, they didn't even ask the price, just bought it and thanked you.

I think 'Cyber Monday' was created by media folks who didn't get the full four-day weekend the rest of us got, and want to retaliate by surfing around on the 'net pretending to 'research stories about internet sales' while everyone else has to go back and do all the work they blew off last week for the company Thanksgiving lunch and sneaking out early Wednesday (for the record, my company didn't have a Thanksgiving lunch, and I worked a full day Wednesday).

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avhjmlk 8 years, 4 months ago

craigers--you and I don't usually agree, but I have to give you snaps on that comment. I about fell off my chair! Granted, anytime I encounter conversations about ED, I am, unfortunately, reminded of the time that my husband's great uncle questioned him relentlessly about whether or not he could use Viagra...That was a PAINFUL discussion!

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

Aiko - Prospecter said it best. A bunch of women get together, drink wine, and oogle over plastic objects. Exactly like a tupperware party except these plastic products have a different use.

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badger 8 years, 4 months ago

Now, if they really were taxing just because they desperately desperately needed the money to keep the lights on and even though they'd managed it intelligently they'd still run out, I could accept the rationale that it is better to tax things that don't mean the difference between starving and not starving. Then I'd get on my pink elephant and ride off into the sunset.

I just think that 'sin' taxes as they're generally perceived are unduly punitive, especially when you call them 'sin' taxes. I practice a faith that doesn't believe in sin; do I still have to pay the taxes or can I declare myself spiritually exempt? In this case, if they're going to grab money from porn and exploit the people who use and sell it, then they really lose the moral high ground to turn up their little noses at it when they encounter it, and they totally lose the right to complain about it being exploitative.

That's what hacks me the most, not the excessive taxation we live under (because, sadly, I'm just used to the government sheepishly telling me it's spent all its money and can it have some more tickets to ride the Ferris Wheel again?), but the fact that the same people who so quickly propose to fund their schools, or healthcare, or road construction with taxes on booze, gambling, porn, or tobacco think they have the right to do it because the people who purchase those things are somehow 'wrong' and deserve to make up for their 'wrong' behaviour by financially redeeming themselves to society and funding things for the 'decent' people.

And, craigers hit on a good point: booze and cigs can be demonstrably shown to have effects that end up costing taxpayers money. I can't remember the last time I saw someone get put in rehab for porn addiction on the taxpayer's dime. There's not much literature out there about the dangers of using porn and driving, and the health effects of porn that end up costing the government money are pretty few and far between. There's even less justification for a tax on adult reading material than there is for a tax on adult beverages.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

harryk posted, "That might free up some space for intelligent comments on other subjects."

Right on. Another subject might deserve an intelligent answer :)

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one_more_bob 8 years, 4 months ago

CNN has this on their website right now under Breaking News: "AP: Part of marble facade on front of U.S. Supreme Court building collapses; no injuries reported." Wow. Oh yeah, today's question. No, of course it's not fair.

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

I had no idea that existed...Wow, I must really be out of the loop..

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Aiko- think x-rated tupperware parties

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The_Original_Bob 8 years, 4 months ago

No. Don't Tax. Boo. Hiss. And so forth. Actually, I don't really have a horse in this race. I don't care. What would the extra tax money go to? It'd probably allow for more pork spending.

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

tell me more about this "Passion Party" thing? Is that for real?

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christie 8 years, 4 months ago

Define Adult Materials.

Have you ever seen a six year old try to read the Bible? Very difficult to do because they haven't aquired the maturity to comprehend the material. That then would be considered an Adult Material don't you think? How about the Wall Street Journal. That too is Adult Material.

So why not call a Spade a Spade and write the law to simply say any item which blah blah blah sexually blah blah blah and get it over with.

I find men in tight briefs to be very attractive. Would we now tax tight briefs? I knew a man once that went nutty over women in heels. Should we tax high heeled shoes?

See once you start legislating MORALITY, which is impossible, you realize it can't be done.

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harryk 8 years, 4 months ago

Who decides what is pornography and what isn't? "I know it when I see it," doesn't cut it. Whatever is decided, I doubt it would be a very effective way of raising revenue anyway. As I understand it, most pornography is sold over the Internet. Maybe we should charge for inane comments submitted to the Journal World instead. Then some of the habitual idiots could argue with each other about what constitutes "inane" and why I am a terrible person for suggesting such a thing in a separate column. That might free up some space for intelligent comments on other subjects.

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char 8 years, 4 months ago

they better not tax my sex toys! but how would that work, exactly, when it comes to passion parties? would the passion party consultants have to charge a tax for customers in kansas but not those in other states?

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Sunflower-sue If you need a committee for this, sign me up!

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 4 months ago

prospector, I'm a huge fan of pin-up art. I love Vargas!

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ryanjasondesch 8 years, 4 months ago

who cares, the internet has all the free porn anyone could ever want!

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sunflower_sue 8 years, 4 months ago

I may go against the Bible here (forgive me, God) but I think that there are degrees of sin. Tax the incestous stuff and the beastiality and the just plain sick...but leave the "normal" naughty stuff alone. Now, wouldn't that committee be a hoot to sit in on?...("Tell me, Marge, is this 'normal naughty' or just plain sick?");)

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craigers 8 years, 4 months ago

Do you think I will get my post removed? Was that too risky to say?

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Aiko 8 years, 4 months ago

No, I do not think it is fair. However, I would like to see how many women think it should be taxed vs. men? There usually seems to be a widely divided line there.?

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craigers 8 years, 4 months ago

I don't neccessarily think they should tax porn extra just because I don't think it is right. I know it all falls under the label of sin tax, but I don't feel that it should be the same as cigarettes. Cigarettes at least seem to have been given a higher tax because people end up needing more health care for smoking regularly. However, unless porn leads to a lot of people needing subsidized health care due to permanent erections or erectile disfunctions then I don't see the reason for the tax.

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prospector 8 years, 4 months ago

Will we have to pay the tax on the LJW or just put it in a plain brown wrapper?

The Vargas picture in "Exploring body and beingness" article would be porn to some.

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blue73harley 8 years, 4 months ago

Gives PERSONAL property tax a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

No, it is not fair.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

Pleather Bob simply can't relax. Gotta work extra hours just to pay the tax.

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Marion Lynn 8 years, 4 months ago

The "adult" industry is large, very large; so large that accurate estimates of its dollar value are difficult to make.

The taxing of "adult" material would be nothing more that government grabbing a peice of what is admittedly a very large pie.

The taxing of "adult" materials is nothing more than a tax on the First Amendment and takes us one step closer to taxing thought.

I wonder who would be the arbiters of this new tax; who would sit on this modern day Hayes Commission?

Why is it that some folks believe that taxing a thing will reduce its use or popularity?

What will be considered "adult" materials subject to these thought taxes?

"To Kill A Mockingbird" with its study of racism?

"Fritz The Cat", the first animated "adult" cartoon?

"Deep Throat", the movie that borught X-Ratings to theatres nationwide?

Or will it be such age old works as The Bible, complete with its content of murder, child abuse, child sacfrice, tales of incest, beastiality, rape and sexual slvery?

This enquiring mind wants to know.

Thanks.

Marion.

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Sigmund 8 years, 4 months ago

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street, If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat. If you get too cold I'll tax the heat, If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

cranberry stains on your sox?¿ innnnteresting, neo...i must get your cranberry relish recipe! ;)

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trinity 8 years, 4 months ago

i agree with your assertion about the dirty secret, geb. :)

nope, i do not think it'd be fair to increase x-rated biz and product taxes! up the tax on granola. birkenstocks. they already rape me on ciggie tax and liquor tax, leave my naughty stuff alone!

next question please.

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neopolss 8 years, 4 months ago

1) We've covered this topic thoroughly before, which lead to a discussion of the "evils" of porn and comparing studies and statistics

2) In no way do I support giving an irresponsible system MORE money when it continuosly proves that it is incapable of properly budgeting and allocating money.

3) How much sense does it make to tax something you are trying to get rid of? The funding you seek to use this money for will constantly diminish as you drive the industry away, forcing a new tax to be brought elsewhere.

4) I've never heard of Cyber Monday. This is total media BS.

5) I've still got cranberry stains on my socks. Excuse me.

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ura_hosehead 8 years, 4 months ago

Mr. Nelson, Mr. Daye and Mr. Menefee- all three offer a fair, consistent, equal treatment arguement. It's interesting that they pursue such differing occupations, but have the same basic conclusion.

And to GreenEyedBlues: Good point and I agree, but we should not degrade the Porn industry by comparing it to WalMart. The Porn industry is much more honest and honorable than WalMart.

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Richard Heckler 8 years, 4 months ago

Is this a way to try chasing them out of town?

No it's not fair.

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GreenEyedBlues 8 years, 4 months ago

Is it just me, or does Mark Menefee look like he has a dirrrrrty secret?

Porn is as legitimate a business as any! They're no more crooked than Wal*Mart. Tax the Waltons and their corporate team of good ol' boys.

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even_money 8 years, 4 months ago

FIRST of all, adult materials are in such abundant supply that if additional taxation is imposed on one source, folks will simply acquire the junk elsewhere.

Or, do like I do and haunt the public library ;)

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