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What do you think about Bill Snyder retiring?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on November 16, 2005

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“I think it’s about time, because he’s old. I think they are going to have a tough time without him.”

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“I think they are going to miss him quite a bit, because he’s the best coach they’ve ever had. I don’t think they are going up from here.”

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“That’s obviously good news for KU fans, but it’s a sad day for them.”

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“I think it’s definitely time. It’s only been bad for two seasons, but when KU starts getting better recruits than K-State, it’s time for a new coach to step in and do something different.”

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thunderbuns 12 years, 5 months ago

To tell you the truth I don't really think about it that much. But if you give me a couple days I'll get back to you.........

Hong_Kong_Phooey 12 years, 5 months ago

I have one thing to say:

Rooooocck Chaaaaaallk, Jaaaaaaayhaaaaaawwk!

Of course, if Mangino can't start having some faith in his QB's we could always send him to K-State.

neopolss 12 years, 5 months ago

Ummm, it's great ... I guess ... mmmm .... roundabout?

sharron5rs 12 years, 5 months ago

I love KSU, but it was time. I heard he had family problems a few years ago. That could get your mind thinking about other things not just your job. Good-bye Snyder .You did us good.

Linda Aikins 12 years, 5 months ago

e_m - always on top of things!

I couldn't view it. It said I didn't have rights. Well I DO HAVE RIGHTS!!! Or I thought I did.

I think it was very gallant of Snyder to retire before they had to fire him. Tough call, but the right one.

OldEnuf2BYurDad 12 years, 5 months ago

Even Snyder admitted (in so many words) that he has somewhat lost his focus this season. Regardless of age, when that happens, you need to think about moving on.

KSU will find it hard to find another "Snyder".

BunE 12 years, 5 months ago

Bill Snyder will be missed but he leaves a young talented football team ready for a new coach. Its a class act to leave a football team in this manner. KSU is a plum Job. Big money, Big Facilities. KSU will be just fine.

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

consumer1: I don't think it is a matter of polical correctness, but a matter of being just plain rude. If political correctness means not being rude, then I'm all for it. But it isn't, so I'm not. So there.

Snyder -- enjoy the retirement.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 5 months ago

Bill Snyder is one of the greatest coaches...ever! I wish him many years in a happy retirement.

Even though I'm a KU fan, I hope they find someone just as great to replace him. I'm guesing they will.

badger 12 years, 5 months ago

Hey Courtney -

The political correctess or ageism or whatever aside, I have to ask:

If he's too old to do the job, why would they have a hard time without him? Wouldn't just about anyone younger be an improvement, by that logic?

It's not the ageism that offends me, it's the really bad logic that indicates that the loss of someone who is no longer fit to do his job because of advancing decrepitude will somehow be a blow to the team.

And consumer1, you're absolutely misusing the notion of hypocrisy. If Courtney there were known to be an antidiscrimination activist, and said what she did, then that would be hypocrisy. But if Joe Blow off the street speaks out against racism, and Jane Doe goes off on those darn Mexicans, there's no hypocrisy because hypocrisy requires that someone demonstrate that double standard in themselves and their own actions.

You say there's hypocrisy in Lawrence, but the only instances of it (which are a lot rarer than the accusers imply) are when people who advocate certain types of behaviour are the actual ones who don't behave accordingly. When people who may or may not advocate those behaviours don't conform to them, you can't tar them with that brush unless you know more about what they preach and advocate elsewhere.

I'm just tired of hearing the 'hypocrisy' comment toted out every time a young person or someone who 'looks liberal' says something that doesn't 'toe the liberal party line.' There is, I regret to inform you, no such thing as the Liberal Hive Mind. The people on the left don't all think exactly the same way about everything any more than all the people on the right or in the middle do, and holding up inconsistencies of theory between different individuals is a pretty inaccurate example of real hypocrisy.

fan4life 12 years, 5 months ago

Hey Hong_Kong_Phooey....maybe you need to do some research before you start spouting off..... K-State already had "Meatball" Mangino....we didn't want him, that's why KU got him!

fan4life 12 years, 5 months ago

Oh and by the way....KSU wouldn't have fired Synder in a million years...he's the best thing that ever happened to college football!!!!

badger 12 years, 5 months ago

Because, you see, it's apparently much easier to say, "Hey, you take things too seriously, I was just kidding" than it is to say, "Much as I usually do, I shot off my mouth and took what I thought was a cheap easy shot at the vague menace of 'liberals' and I really didn't expect anyone to call me on my ignorance. Ooops!"

Maybe I do take some things too seriously; perhaps you're right.

But maybe I'm also pretty tired of semiliterate knee-jerk reactionary rednecks with marginal mastery of contractions taking cheap mud shots at an invented liberal menace to discredit anyone they disagree with, then backing off in true jerk fashion with, "Hey, lighten up! Can't you take a joke?"

I imagine there's a good chance this comment will get pulled. I'll live. But at least I have the courage to stand by my opinions instead of calling them jokes to back off when I get called on them.

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

Fan4life says"...he's the best thing that ever happened to college football!!!!"

He was a great coach and made KSU's football what it was and is now. But to say that he is the best thing that ever happened to college football is a bit much don't you think? Maybe the best thing that ever happened to KSU football. What sucks for him is that his career ended with bad seasons.

bearded_gnome 12 years, 5 months ago

Hope we'll hear from Oldfashionedgirl soon...hope that she wasn't carried off by that twister [yesterday's OTS].

good luck, oldfashionedgirl!

now, as to the topic: ZZZZZZ2ZZZZZZZ@2@ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! I only barely care about KU foobaah with Coach Potato in charge.

for those who might wish an escape from this intensely gripping OTS question today...late last night we had a couple of very funny gnome links on yesterday's board.

I just don't know how we survived the blizzard o'doom...can't fathom it...

jonas 12 years, 5 months ago

To be honest, I don't really care about Snyder quitting, though I'd imagine if I were a K-State alum/fan/etc. it would be quite heartbreaking, as he was obviously a good coach.

What I do care about is: when does ED Board Chairman Abrams get put up for re-election, and how can I vote him off? Please don't tell me you have to be in his district to vote against him!

b_asinbeer 12 years, 5 months ago

Snyder did an amazing turn-around job with K-State's team. He has faltered a little towards the end, but he did what was impossible with a football team that was in the pits before his arrival.

I just hope KSU doesn't try to lure Mangino back...

ksu_sucks 12 years, 5 months ago

Congratulations Bill you can now spend your retirement watching the program that you built slowly dismantle itself back to the mediocre program that it was destined to be.

fan4life 12 years, 5 months ago

you mean just like the program that KU already is????

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

Yes, you have to be in Abrams' district to vote against him. I'm sorry, too!

And, consumer1, it's an oxymoron. (apparently hidden)

Ceallach 12 years, 5 months ago

badg*er ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bjr) n. Any of several carnivorous burrowing mammals of the family Mustelidae, such as Meles meles of Eurasia or Taxidea taxus of North America, having short legs, long claws on the front feet, and a heavy grizzled coat.

tr.v. badgered, badgering, badgers To harass or pester persistently. See Synonyms at harass.

Mornin badger, I see you are in top shape today, doing what comes naturally : )

OTSQOTD: I'm glad to see him gone, only young, immortal, cashiers from Lawrence should be allowed to work! The rest of us should retire -- too bad social security doesn't take care of us old codgers better and allow us quit working and still get full benefits!!! Snyder's only been qualified for fully retire for one year. Sheesh! May he retire in peace.

badger, doesn't remarks like hers bother you? even a little?

badger 12 years, 5 months ago

Sure you did, consumer1. Just like PeeWee Herman, you "meant to do that." I'm sure you're very clever. You're so bright I bet your daddy calls you 'Sun'.

By the way, are you implying I'm a male transvestite or simply demonstrating a deep ignorance (which would be a shock, I'm sure) of the gender differentiation of undergarments?

badger 12 years, 5 months ago


Comments like hers only bother me insomuch as they demonstrate a complete ignorance of the idea that age and experience can confer wisdom more often than they confer incompetence and doddering senility.

I think she spoke with all the arrogance of that element of youth that read "Death of a Salesman" a little too literally and assumes that everyone over forty is just marking time and hoping they don't die before they get to drive their RV around the Sun Belt eating Geritol and drinking Ensure through straws so it doesn't stain their dentures.

It's less about ageism than it is about the lack of awareness that not everyone over thirty wishes they were still under it.

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

I guess consumer1 just wasn't being very politically correct him/herself...

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

TOB--There's an old CSI episode about a that very phenomenon (the dressing up as furry animals thing). CREEPY! Why can't they just stick with the usual methods?

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

badger: You, my good man, are my new hero! Although I feel you could have also thrown in something about the difference between sarcasm (what consumer1 apparently intended, but failed at miserably) and "Hypocracy" [sic]. Likewise, if someone is going to accuse another of lacking intelligence, they should at least attempt to spell things correctly when doing so. (Not trying to be the grammar police, just making an observation.)

consumer1: So, now your telling us that your original comment was a trap for liberals and wasn't meant to be taken seriously, right? Does this mean that you actually are in favor of age-ism? Classy.

l_eustacy 12 years, 5 months ago

Did it mention what the illness is associated with these gatherings. Are the support group meetings during the day, evening or both?

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

Lemme take a guess, l_eustacy: bird flu?

(If your last comment was not meant as a joke, I apologize...)

bankboy119 12 years, 5 months ago

Cry, cry, cry. Some people can't take a joke. Badger, get off your hind feet and come back down to ground level buddy with the rest of us. We don't care how intelligent you are or how special your mommy said you were. Some people cannot spell as well as others, like myself, and some do not know grammer 100%, like myself, or care about grammar, like myself. By the way, I don't think that I'm the only one. Anytime that some one takes a shot at liberalism or one of your heroes (i.e. Barbara Boxer, Darwin, Ted Kennedy, Fidel Castro (which by the way is a joke,) etc.) you come down with how "intelligent" you are and conservatives are just a bunch of rednecks. Get over yourself. If you don't want to listen to anything that isn't proof read and edited for grammatical errors then don't. But stop trying to downplay any non-liberal comment that has English errors in it. If liberal policies continue we'll all be speaking Spanish or Arabic or be dead. Unfortunately, this isn't the board to be debating that on, and it always turns into a political argument, even if the question would be "Do you like cats?".

By the way, I think it's about time for Snyder to retire, he's had his glory days and hopefully KSU can get another coach to turn around the program.

neopolss 12 years, 5 months ago

The other day I saw a wild cat take a dump in my backyard. It doesn't totally relate, but maybe it was forshadowing things to come...

Ceallach 12 years, 5 months ago

neo, are you sure it was a wild cat and not a neighbor who is a closet "furry"? That would certainly be a sign of things to come :-\

bankboy119 12 years, 5 months ago

Haha it's possible neo. You guys have to agree with me on least some of the time. I don't necessarily want to discuss politics because the same stuff always comes up. It's nice to focus on other things every once in awhile.

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

Well, then I would have to be either a Donkey, or a cat (and I would prrrrrrefer to be a cat).

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

BTW, nice job on the avhfurrymlk. You just forgot the "j" but I'll forgive you.

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

Aiko, but of course, you are my evil twin. : )

bankboy, you so picked on the wrong person, for the wrong thing, for something that he didn't start. First off, I said something about spelling, not my new hero badger. I brought up the grammar (first time ever) just because I found it funny that customer1 would call someone else's intelligence into question, and then use the wrong definition and spelling of hypocrisy in making his case. Secondly, c1 started the political bashing with an insipid argument against liberals -- something to do with ageism. Finally, with statements like "If liberal policies continue we'll all be speaking Spanish or Arabic or be dead," you obviously are so out of touch with the rest of humanity that grammar probably should be the least of your worries.

btw, Jesus was a liberal.

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

I might actually be a bobcat. Who's to say?

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

TOB, how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Also, will you be holding a bottle of high-octane cider at the same time?

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

"Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile.."

Thanks TOB!

bankboy119 12 years, 5 months ago

Jesus didn't promote the killing of babies or he wasn't a liberal in your sense.

neopolss 12 years, 5 months ago

As the wonderful (as in awful) MK Annihilation says, "Find your animality..."

I don't think I would be a wolverine. I think I am the often recluse Dalton-Gang-Flint-Hill 8-toed Sloth, or in its Latin term, Daltus Gangus Flinty Hilly Pointy Monkey Thingy.

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

OMB- I would have to say that my inner animal is a cross between a penguin and a wombat.

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

Very nice TOB, vey nice. You have good taste!

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

bankboy: I'm not in favor of killing homosexuals, or babies either for that matter, so I guess Jesus was a liberal in my sense. To decide if he was a liberal in your sense I ask you, who would Jesus bomb?

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

Or a Wharf Rat. Isn't that the same as Nutria Rat?

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

I am guessing the people that put him on the cross.

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

Aiko: good one.

But to be on the nice said, I will get off the Jesus as a liberal kick. I find it a worthwhile topic, but I don't want to offend others in the process. I don't want everyone calling me the ass of the board!

Hong_Kong_Phooey 12 years, 5 months ago

Fan4Life: Just because "you" rejected him once before it doesn't mean that he could have a 'second coming'. I wouldn't waste my time doing research about the KSU football program. Or anything to do with KSU.

Aiko 12 years, 5 months ago

I know it was in bad taste but I had to throw it out there....just trying to keep it

badger 12 years, 5 months ago

Hey, bankboy?

Any time someone takes a shot at liberalism? Hardly. None of us has that kind of time. And if I tried, I couldn't target all the grammatical errors. I have to sleep sometime.

However, any time someone takes a shot at the vague generic liberal menace instead of actually addressing an issue, yeah, you bet I'm up in arms (or paws, as the case may be). It's lazy, and cheap, and frankly really dull. You'll notice, by the way, if you actually read what I wrote, that I didn't bother correcting his misspelling; what I did was address the fact that his blanket generalization was incorrect and that if he really thought that you can categorize a whole town as hypocritical because everyone who agrees about some things doesn't agree about everything, he really didn't get the concept of hypocrisy very well.

By the way, thank you for the incorrect and assumptive generalizations. Ted Kennedy is a sot, Barbara Boxer a bit of a loony. Darwin I respect as a scientist, but not as a personal hero. As for Fidel Castro? He did manage to escape, what, eleven different CIA plots to take him out? He's also not a hero, but I admit to being a little impressed by that.

You'd probably be surprised to find out who my real heroes are. Hint: one of them was absolutely integral to the formation and empowerment of the system that protects the park where I spent my weekend hiking, and he had a pet badger named Josiah, given to him by a pair of children at a train station.

As to furries? I will admit that they're part of the community that makes me tilt my head to the side and say, "OK, I totally don't get that. But as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, I guess I don't have to get it." I believe it was Lady Astor who said with regard to homosexuals, "I care not what they do, so long as they don't do it in the street and startle the horses." I may be misquoting, but the sentiment is there on my part for anyone who's engaging in safe, sane, and consensual behaviour.

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

Whoops! Actually, that question was for beatrice. Sorry!

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

Gootsie, I didn't find antagram in the Merriam-Webster online.

bearded_gnome 12 years, 5 months ago

Jesus could not have been a liberal, at least today, because he once said: "Go forth, and sin no more."

hmmm thanks Original-bob...I really appreciate your sharing that Pitch article...definitely more information than I wanted to know...

what animal am I...well, am already a Gnome...but alternatively, I suppose I'd probably be a Labrador Retriever.

there I was reading Cealach's badger def post, and mrs. gnome really backed up the damned toilet...waayy bad! mess....mess...mess...I like Dave Barry's method of bathroom involves gasoline and a match, that'd clean this up.

avhjmlk 12 years, 5 months ago

You know, gnome, that's usually something the male counterpart in a relationship would be proud of...

BunE 12 years, 5 months ago

Jesus had a pretty close relationship with his apostles. They didn't seem to like the ladies too much. I

am just saying.

If a condemned prisoner is 33 and is to be put to death, isn't that really just a 99th trimester abortion?

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

av+: You said tits -- t-hehehehehe.

Bad bunE, bad bunE. : )

Linda Aikins 12 years, 5 months ago

avhjsillywordpolicemlk - I just made 'er up. Did you like it? I wanted to pun-ish all of you.

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 12 years, 5 months ago

Dear Courtney, you will be old some day. When you are, you won't appreciate someone making a comment about you, like the one you made about Bill Snyder. Your comment made being old sound like a disease or something. It's too bad America doesn't treat it's elders like they do in the Asian countries, where they are revered for their knowledge of life and the world. There are some benefits to being old, Courtney. One is we have been around long enough to easily recognize stupidity. Thank you, Lynn

beatrice 12 years, 5 months ago

Gootsie, I liked antagram, for what it is worth. I picture an animal that eats words, and poops out other words.

sunflower_sue 12 years, 5 months ago

Wow! Back to editing text and bickering. What fun!

I like the whole "inner aminal" thing. Lemme see, do I get to choose an inner animal or will TOB supply me with one? I'll have to think on that one, but I think "hummingbird" might suit me (although those wings and long beak might get in the way). "Hell kitten" would be my evening alter ego.

jonas 12 years, 5 months ago

Something tells me Jesus would be disgusted with the very idea of liberals and conservatives. To think he'd favor a leaning or, worse, a political party, is posturing and arrogance to the worst degree.

Bankboy: Nothing wrong if we all end up speaking Spanish. At least Spanish makes sense. English (or American) is nothing more than the dirty whore of the linguistic world anyway, and I thought conservative folk didn't like the free and easy type.

Think I'll let German CONQUER me tonight! Now I'll sleep with French and Spanish, at the same time no less.
Night's fling with Italian. Ooh, Asian fetish!

And my parents we're such proper English, too.

oldfashiongirl 12 years, 5 months ago

b. gnome: Thank you for your concern. We had 38 tornados and they touched down in many areas, causing the 911 system to fail, as well as Doppler radar, cell phone system and Internet. I'm still not able to access my email. I did brieflly around noon and saw e.m's comment and I thank him too. The sky was so black with many clouds with long tails on them. It hit hard about 10 miles north of here, Paducah, as well as 8 miles south of here-2 killed and 50 wounded and many trailers destroyed. We've had our share this year--probably more than Kansas. Today was beautiful with not a cloud in the sky and right now we have the big full moon.

Don't know much about Snyder, but it still pains me that Joe B. Hall left UK, and then Rick Pitino left to go to Louisville. The wildcats have never done as well as they did in 1975-1978--with my heroes Rick Robey, Jack Givens, Lonnie Williams and some guy named Phillips.

bearded_gnome 12 years, 5 months ago


I'm glad that tornado took one look at you and you scared it off.

good reason to have at least one old fashioned wired phone in your house...not surprised that the cells went down, that's just about a given.

how close to you was the distruction?a

bearded_gnome 12 years, 5 months ago

this is about the antagrams really pushed this one today and the furries...[creepy creepy].

AVH... you're fact it was a bit of a mystery why the toilet did what it did...must've been the full moon exerting a linear tidal suction/induction effect on the fluid dynamics of the think?

horses are friendly too...but I sure wouldn't want to dress as one, then to have sexual excitement...[creepy--creepy].

Rick Aldrich 12 years, 5 months ago

see you, would'nt want to be you. austalavista baby.

bearded_gnome 12 years, 5 months ago

110 here...apparently, a full moon causes us to post MORE!

yeah OMB, voip sure sounds like a damned good deal if you've already got internet...but, you need a generator for your computer, a power source for whatever the ISP is your computer tzalks to etc.

little surprised to see Oldfashionedgirl said her local 91-1 went down too, or just the phone lines to reach it?

oh well, no phone means ya;' - cain't order a pizza! now, that's A 'MERGENCY!

the article [elsewhere] says that the retiring ksu coach "enfused" his team...sorry, when I put my tea into hot water, it 'enfuses' it...I think that's a very weird description of what the coach did.

hey, you suppose one of coach potato's chins will just break off like an iceberg, then float from KU to KSU?

bearded_gnome 12 years, 5 months ago

[based on a typo, earlier this day:]

"Don't step on my blue psuedo shoes!"

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