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Do you believe supporters of the war in Iraq are losing patience with the president?

Asked at Massachusetts Street on June 29, 2005

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“Not all of them, but some are, because we are an impatient society. We want a quick and easy fix.”

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“Definitely. A lot of people still don’t know the real reason why we are there. It looks shady.”

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“I think the public at large is losing patience, but the true supporters of the administration are going to stick with him and back him up.”

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“Yes, everybody is losing patience. No one is clear on what’s going on there. We were supposed to withdraw and just keep the peace, but there is still fighting going on.”

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GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 7 months ago

I would hope so.

I want to know what kind of tangible aim we are aspiring to. We can only "free" Iraq so much before they begin to fear/loathe us as much as or more than they did their original leaders. [that is, if they don't already...]

Redneckgal 12 years, 7 months ago

Numerous of my daughters freinds have already enlisted. These are kids that have played at my house in the summer. They have played on the same ball teams. One of them took my daughter to her first prom. We've known most of them since kindergaten. When I think what they are going to be facing over there and most of all WHY (Lies) I get sick to my stomach. To think I voted for Bush the first time around just makes me that much sicker.

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

Before I start let me say this is my OPINION.

First, the reason we went to war with Iraq instead of Suadi Arabia ( which is where the terrorist are!! ) Is because of Bush's OIL intrest their. Don't remember where exactly I heard/read that before the war Bush was getting LOTS of $$ from the Saudi's

I never voted for Bush not because of Republican/Democrat but because I didn't feel he would handle the country good. Hmmmm I guess I was right.

Now to the actual question Are we losing patience with him? I never had patience with him to begin with.

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

Many Americans are tired of the war. I along with many others distrust the motives of Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, however, I have yet to hear any good ideas of for the best course of action to take in Iraq now. In my opinion, it would be a horrible mistake to just up and leave now. The fledgling Iraqi government would be overtaken by some extremist group and we would have a worse situation then than we ever had. On the other hand, if we keep doing what we have been doing, these insurgents could keep causing terror till the end of the world. Bush is extremely hard-headed and stubborn and can't think straight because he is so caught up in sustaining his ego. In some ways, I think he is the greatest obstacle to overcome to resolve this conflict. Because even if 50 senators came up with an excellent plan for Iraq, Bush wouldn't hear it. Even the approval rating polls don't sway him. Any ideas on what we could use as leverage on him? He has seemed to back off his private social security accounts.

Richard Heckler 12 years, 7 months ago

What supporters?What are they supporting? How can anyone continue to support a bloody mess? How can anyone support a president who lied to the world? How can anyone support a premeditated(before he was elected) situation? How can anyone support killing thousands upon thousands if innocent Iraq people?

The 9/11 culprits were largely from Saudi Arabia...none from Iraq.

Daniel Speicher 12 years, 7 months ago

I know my support waned a long time ago. It is tough to see something like this go down the way it has. Especially to know that you argued for the war, and then dissappointment after dissappointment by our administration surfaced. First, no WMD's. Second, no links to terror... And the dissappointments continue. If we are making progress as Bush assured us last night, there has been no proof to the public for a long, long time. I realize the president doesn't have to proove anything to anyone... But, if he's expecting support, it might not be a bad tactic.

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 7 months ago

Well if they are it doesn't appear that they are swaying Bush much. But then some people are stupid and Bush could sell glasses to a blind man. The best way to support our troops...Impeach Bush.

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

I can see that this question will blow the board up with answer and answer. I'm figuring around at least upper 70 answers by the time I take my lunch break today.

I watched bits a pieces of the speech last night and it sounded like that same old speech as last time. Nothing has changed really and with what he has to say.

I did hear a bit about ....." Wanting all boys and girls after high school to sign up for the military ". He said its the most honorable thing you could do. If one of my boys decides to sign up for the military ( yeah like thats going to happen ) that will be their choice ( hopefully= no draft by then ) to do so. I don't really think that kids are wanting to go sign up so they can possibly lose their life.

Wheres Bin Laden who destroyed the towers in NY? Hes the one we should be worried about. Yes Sadam did bad things, but he didn't attack us.

Its just a matter of time that we will be attacked again, and this time I will blame Bush for not going after the right person in the first place.

Now these are just my thoughts and some of you will argue this point and thats okay. Thats what makes us differ in our opinions. Freedom of speech, and the right to speak your mind is a wonderful thing.

Have a great day and drink plenty of water........its going to be a hot one.

neopolss 12 years, 7 months ago

Posted by enochville on June 29 at 7:07 a.m.

Many Americans are tired of the war. I along with many others distrust the motives of Bush, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, however, I have yet to hear any good ideas of for the best course of action to take in Iraq now. In my opinion, it would be a horrible mistake to just up and leave now.

Call me whatever you like, but I could really care less about Iraqi people. I'd rather spend $400 billion here. I care about the American people, and taking care of our families. It's great that we are trying to rebuild their country, but shouldn't we rebuild ours first? The social security issue is going to haunt us in the future - $400 billion would have been a nice surplus to cover the gap.

The medical insurance costs rising need to be addressed. $400 billion could have paid every uninsured claim in the country. We hear complaints about funding for education, roads needing rebuilding, protecting our borders. $400 billion would help those costs immensly. Maybe I am selfish, or perhaps I realize that we CANNOT help everyone. Most of all though, I've learned that family still comes first, and the US is my family.

Our youth join the military at such young ages, and their heads are filled with such ideals as loyalty, patriotism, and defending freedom. If only it were that simple, but the knowledge of the politics and the greed that fuels these conflicts is sickening. Sometimes I think that the best way for two countries to resolve their issues is for those leaders to step into a boxing ring and handle it themselves. Winner takes all. It might change their perception a bit.

Capitalism is actually beginning to restrict freedom. The internet was designed to distribute and share ideas, art, literature, music, culture. Instead the copyright holders are filiung suits and safehousing their works. The public domain is dead. 70 year-old works cannot be sent around because someone holds the copyright, and wants to profit from something they didn't even write or produce themselves. The MPAA and RIAA sue their fans for downloading movies and music. Out of greed.

Maybe we aren't the good guys.

corrienteroper 12 years, 7 months ago

I did not vote for Bush either, nor did I vote for the other guy. During the election of President before this time, my husband went to the library to vote. He got back in the truck and heard on the radio they had announced Bush had won. Now in our town, we do it on paper. So you and I both know his vote was never counted anyway. He was so angry, he has not voted for anything since, and neither have I.

As for the issue now, he sucks at his "job".

So, lets talk about something else. Like, the idiot mother in Overland Park that left her 5 and 3 year old at the pool while taking an older child into the apartment/townhouse to use the bathroom!!

remember_username 12 years, 7 months ago

Those supporters with an inflexible belief that Bush was chosen by God will not alter their support regardless of what he does. Then there are those that are so anti-liberal (as opposed to just being conservative) that they will blindly support anyone as long as it is not a liberal.

But the above numbers are small in comparison to those who believe that opposing the administrations war policy is equivalent to opposing our men and women in uniform. This is a belief that the bush administration encourages. This is not true for most of us who oppose the administrations war policy.

The problem is that the majority of our troops need to feel that what they are doing is right. Nothing is worse for morale than the belief that you are fighting an unjust war. So a good question to ask today is - how would you tell a soldier fighting overseas that the war he/she is fighting is wrong without saying that what they are doing is wrong? Anybody want to tell us how to do that?

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

r_u: that would be a very difficult thing to do:(

I have family and friends that are either over there fighting or have already come back. I would never tell them that what they so strongly feel they need to do is wrong or unjust in any way. I am VERY grateful to them and all that have fought. But that still does not make the War OK. We went to war for the wrong reasons and now we're stuck there to clean up the mess we caused.

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 7 months ago

r_u Our troops are doing a great job over there. I don't think anybody anywhere can knock that. We should support them 100%. The only one who has any shame in all this is Bush who lied to get them over there. And continues to lie to keep them over there.

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

neopolss: I believe family (Americans) come first as well. You are looking at the immediate future, I am looking at the not too distant future. Bush destabalized a country, which if taken over by Taliban-type extremists would fester more terrorists and anti-American armies than Afghanistan ever dreamed of. It is very much in our own self-interest to ensure stability there. I don't know that our current plan is the best way, but up and leaving today may be the worst way. You have to nip these things in the bud or you end up with the Third Reich which is very much not in our own self-interest.

Remember_username: Tell the soldiers what I just said above. Maintaining stability in Iraq is a noble cause because it is keeping the government from being overtaken by terrorist supporters. They should be proud of that.

italianprincess: I think we all know Bin Laden is in Pakistan. We don't go get him there because the Pakistani government might well be overthrown if it came out that they allowed us to capture or kill a very popular hero with the Pakistani populace. A revolution might ensue because Bin Laden is well liked by a large segment of the population. We can't allow the wrong people to get in control of the government there because they have nukes. The Pakistani government conducts small skimishes with Al Qaeda to appease the Americans without upsetting too much their own people. Bin Laden stays there because he knows all of this. Somehow, the Pakistani government needs to win the loyalty of their people so that going after Bin Laden doesn't cause civil war.

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

Well, the war was started on lies and the Bush Administration counts on all of us being sheeple to herd into a pen and listen to their lies. I hope that we learn from this and perhaps start thinking for ourselves.

We cannot however, just pull out of Iraq, thanks to our little jaunt abroad, we have created an atmosphere there that will dissolve into a large scale Afghanistan very quickly should we leave.

The deaths of Americans, Iraqis, Poles, Brits and everybody else have not been "worth" the toppling of Saddam but it is now our moral obligation to see this through.

War Profiteering has always been part of our society (Look at W's grandpappy Prescott, heck he sold shells to the Nazis) We must be vigilant but realize that our society has twisted the free market into the maximization of profit and shareholder value at the expense of all else - Market.

Wake up, we are in a mess, Bush is a liar, the Repubs are sheep, the Dems are cowards and it is going to be up to us to clean up after these jacka$$es. Politics are local so start actin like it. Everyone of you that post on this board had better start real conversations with your friends, family and neighbors. Take action, run for office and be heard. I don't care if you kill babies or abortion doctors, get out and start the conversations.


Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

To the younger posters among us: A "record" is a vinyl disk with a small hole in the center. They recorded sound much like CDs do today. However, they could get scratched or "broken" and would skip, repeating the same lines endlessly. I offer this brief lesson on out-moded technology so you'll understand when I say that the Left in this country has for some time sounded just like a broken record: Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied.

They think if they repeat it over and over and over, we'll agree to believe them just to get them to shut up. Their unreasoning, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred of Bush causes them to forget that in early 2003 nearly every bloody intelligence agency in the world agreed that Saddam possessed WMDs. The only debate was on whether we should give "diplomacy" another decade or two to talk him into giving them up before using military force. So if Bush lied, then Bubba lied, Kerry lied, Hillary lied, the Russians lied, the British lied, Sen. Byrd lied, Gore lied, the French (gasp!) lied. No one seems to be asserting that. So don't let the endless, mindless repetition of a mantra numb your brain into accepting their fantasy.

On another historical note, Germany had not attacked us in the early 1940s when we declared war on them. All our attackers were from Japan. Perhaps we owe the Nazis an apology and should help restore them to power?

Liberty 12 years, 7 months ago

There must be a lot of sympathy in Iraq for the insurgents. They could not hide in the cities without the people helping them stay and hide. The people of Iraq must be against the democracy (two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner) that President Bush and the United Nations is forcing on them (which won't work).

Did anyone notice that the United Nations is writing the Constitution for Iraq per President Bush??? Nice to know that our men and women are fighting this war for the United Nations, so the United Nations can write their Constitution. I'm sure it will be loaded up with all kinds of "freedoms". Now you know who we are fighting this war for and why it must be a democracy (As the United Nations insists on democracies because they are easier to control for global government) instead of a republic like ours...

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

Liberty: Could it not be that the reason why many Iraqis don't turn the insurgents in is either because they don't know anything or they are afraid for their lives?

Liberty 12 years, 7 months ago

Enochville, it might be in some cases; but there are a lot more Iraqis than there are insurgents. It would be pretty tough for them if everyone was their enemy. I would say that your senario is not probably the case in most cases.

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

Ah fanghorn, I see that they have gotten to you too.

Let us not forget that the intelligence that you are clinging to has been shown to be...manipulated. We were told that Saddam was fixin' to attack us with those WMDs, had set up the attacks on the twin towers and was a really bad egg. The last one was good intelligence, the first two were well, wrong. Hey that is fine, what's 1700 american, a couple hundred brits and 100000 Iraqis dead, not to mention the wounded. Thats OK right? Thats worth it right? it is hardly unreasoning to question the motives of our CiC if he changes his story, (Terror, WMD, democracy).

Now, why don't you wipe the foam off of your mouth, get past the party line and think for yourself. Yeah, everybody lied, what is new? But GW is in charge, GW sent us to a foreign land to fight a war that HE manufactered. Afghanistan was the right war (which we are still fighting) Iraq the wrong one.

Cause its 1,2,3 What are we fightin for? Don't worry, George said " lets attack" Next stop is old Iraq Cause its 6,7,8 open up the pearly gates I ain't got time to wonder why WHoopee I'm gonna die!

The Nazis declared war on us December 11, 1941 after we declared war on Japan. I however, accept your apology in advance for distorting truth.

Liberty 12 years, 7 months ago

Enochville, if the Iraqis are for what is going on, they should all be armed in order to assist the US in ousting the insurgents. It might take a week.

wichita_reader 12 years, 7 months ago

Funny BunE mentioned that Country Joe and the Fish protest song. I was thinking of a twist on another oldie, although not a protest song. From Manfred Mann's Earth Band, I think.

Blinded by the Right.

Ceallach 12 years, 7 months ago

extreme, don't you think your "biggest risk" sentence would apply to just about every war that has been fought? Some expect our military leaders to be clairvoyant. All previous wars had their unexpected variables, this is no exception.

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

Not if you know that you are distorting the truth.

That is a lie.

Ceallach 12 years, 7 months ago

Those who believe the war in Iraq is a necessary part of securing our peace are not losing patience with President Bush. We are saddened by the continuing need to put our friends, families and children in harm's way. However, we can no longer afford the same US policies that ignored these groups for so many years as they festered and grew.

Iraq was not the beginning of this war and I don't believe it will be the end. Hopefully, the Iraqis will be able to assume their own defense soon and our troops can leave. But with so many groups so many places we will not have the luxury of bringing everyone home and return to our routines without having those disturbing little news reports about Iraq.

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

Liberty, we have Al Qaeda sleeper cells in our own country. Since we are not turning them in, does that mean that we Americans must support Al Qaeda? Of course not, we either don't know anything or some may be too afraid for their family's life. Granted some are recruited by the promise of money or through indoctrination.

The Iraqi people are being trained and fighting in their own defense even though some are being blown up while standing in recruiting lines. You are right that the whole country is not rising up in arms against the insurgency. There were many supporters of the insurgency in the beginning especially in Fallujah, but public opinion has turned against them for blowing up some many innocent Iraqis. Even for those who support the US, not everyone is the militia type.

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

And if you know that you are wrong and tell the public, that is a lie too

jonas 12 years, 7 months ago

Fangorn: While I don't disagree with your assertion, surely you hear and recognize that such endlessly droning, repeating of message, is hardly a hallmark only of the left. For every slogan such as Bush lied, there is at least one recitation of the opposing ideology. It seems, then, rather hypocritical to cast stones, at least in the broad strokes of saying the entire opposition is, by definition, the same.

remember_username 12 years, 7 months ago

fangorn - you and I agree that Saddam Hussien was a very evil dictator the world is better off without. However, simple possession of WMD's is not enough reason to declare war or we'd have to attack many others. The story that Iraq was about to, or had, supplied WMD's to al qaeda is tenuous at best. Thus the "Bush lied" refrain.

About the broken record statement: Many years ago before CD's one recorded to cassette - I was recording a Seals and Crofts (?) album and there was a scratch causing it to skip. Upon my return from errands the mantra "We will never pass this way again - this way again - this way again - this way again - this way again..." was on the last 10 minutes of the tape. I didn't have the heart to erase it.

Ceallach 12 years, 7 months ago

Why is it that so many people on this board know so much more about the war and whether or not what we are doing is right than the soldiers themselves. Re-read some of your posts. I am not attacking anyone, I just do not understand that logic.

happy_me: you said, "I would never tell them that what they so strongly feel they need to do is wrong or unjust in any way. I am VERY grateful to them and all that have fought. But that still does not make the War OK. We went to war for the wrong reasons and now we're stuck there to clean up the mess we caused."

If we know G.I.s shouldn't we give more credence to them than the news reports?

If we say we do not support the war, but support our troops, aren't we saying, "we love and pray for you naive and manipulated little drone people, but we know more than you do about what you have been doing and why you are there." I'm just saying that sounds more than a little elitist to me.

kansas 12 years, 7 months ago

Fangorn, the US went to war with Germany because four days after Peral Harbor (12/11/41) Hitler announced that he was teaming up with Japan's war effort against the US. Hitler declared war against the US. The US didn't declare war on Germany because it didn't have to. Roosevelt had said the day after Pearl Harbor that we were at war with the Empire of Japan and any of her war allies, present or future. Thus, there was no need for the US to declare war on Germany. Hitler's decision to go to war with the US made any "US war declaration on Germany" academic and completely unnecessary.

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

On the topic of going to war based on intelligence... All would agree that war costs so many lives and inflicts trauma on so many more. If you are going to go to war, you better be darn sure that you are going to save many lives and freedoms by doing so. You need absolute proof like spy photos of nuclear missles in Cuba that you can present to the UN to back your claims. You do not act on hearsay and speculation that Hussein might be assisting Al Qaeda with WMD in attacking us.

There is a risk in not acting without proof. What you feared may be true. But, there is a risk in taking action without proof - thousands die needlessly, millions traumatized, instability in high places, and public opinion goes against you which spawns terrorist groups. I think war should not be entered into in the absense of proof.

We were misled into thinking we had that proof. The word of the President used to be respected - if we claimed Cuba had nukes, we could trust that they had nukes. But, now if He claims Iraq has WMD, we know that we can't trust his word.

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

BunE: I'll accept your apology for wasting my time. But for the sake of others out there who might be reading this and who are a little more proficient at reading English than you seem to be, I'll respond anyway.

I remarked that Germany had not attacked us. What's a declaration of war worth? It's a piece of paper. Do you actually think the radical Islamists would sit down draw up a formal document to send us? Actually, considering the other things you seem to believe, it wouldn't surprise me. The Islamists had attacked us many times during the 1990s and after with no formal declaration of war (the 1993 WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers in 1996, the African embassies in 1998, the USS Cole in 2000). We did practically nothing. These people "declared" war on us a long time ago and that war has been going on for years. It was only when Bush came to office that our side finally decided to fight back.

Additionally, would you please cite some speech or statement from the Bush administration that claims Hussein was responsible for 9/11? Because some erroneously believe this, you want to blame Bush for it. And I must say that Bush must be very powerful indeed if he can "manipulate" the intelligence services of all those other nations. Finally, Bush in early 2003 called Iraq a "grave and gathering" threat. That's not the same thing as "imminent" (or, in your delightful turn of phrase, "fixin' to attack"). If the contrast between the two confuses you, you might try consulting a dictionary.

Now perhaps you should stop reading MoveOn(dot)org press releases and Michael Moore mockumentaries and start thinking for yourself.

Liberty 12 years, 7 months ago

Enochvile, I personally have not seen any Al CIA-da cells yet in the USA. With the open boarders that our government is allowing to continue and the Mexican invasion along with whoever else wants to come in, I am sure that the government will bring some cells out at the right time if things don't go their way while trying to containing our freedoms through legislation as is currently happening in our country (to conform to global government).

To my knowledge, only a sympathizer in Lodi, CA has been exposed. And that was timed by the FBI so that Pat Roberts draconian Patriot Act expansion with "administrative warrants" (requiring no judge as the Constitution requires) and back door gun contol could be passed in Congress against the freedoms and the Constitution of the people of this country. A lot of other back door gun control legislation is occuring now as well. Your attention would be well focused at our own legislature to protect our own freedoms here that are being stolen from under your nose in the name of "the war on terror".

raven 12 years, 7 months ago

Fangorn: I am a little surprised by your last post. It is condescending and mean. I understand this is a touchy subject. I just thought you were above those things.

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

r_u: What absolutely delicious irony regarding your recorded cassette tape! Of all the places the record could have skipped. I remember that song. I rather liked it.

Jonas: You are correct. I used a 14" roller when I should have used a 4" brush. Thanks for the tactful reminder. :)

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

How can I waste your time? You are the one posting?

Um, you implied that we should apologize to the Nazis because they wanted to fight a war with us. Uh, no. Yes the different terror networks of Radical Islam has attacked without a declaration of war. So why should we apologize and to whom?

Fight back? oh yeah, GWOT

You know what? I will give you this, Americans as a whole were quite ignorant of the the Iraq involvement in the attacks of september 11. I blame Bush because he is in charge. Now, you may want to forgive him, coddle him, tell him he is doing a great job, but I don't. I want him to fix things, tell the truth, admit mistakes and be a man.

Further, grave and gathering, imminent, fixin to attack, don't be naive. Perhaps it is a measure of danger, but we all know the implication that the president was trying to make. Iraq is bad, they may attack us, they may have done it in the past, they have weapons to attack us and our interests, we gotta invade this soveriegn country and make thing safe. I thought more of you and your ability to reason.

Perhaps you should look up from Fox and your Sean Hannity Book, stop taking the Limbaugh letter and wake up.

Oh man, now i feel bad, That last sentance was just mean sprited.

David Ryan 12 years, 7 months ago

Fangorn apparently forgets that Germany formally declared war on the United States after the Japanese aggressively attacked the United States.

That's why we went to war with Germany.

Those who don't know history are bound to repeat its bloody mistakes, or to support Presidents who engage in bloody mistakes.

A people charged with governing themselves have a moral and ethical obligation to get their facts straight.

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

Whats wrong with this picture^^^^^^^^^^^^?

Someone please explain to me what this man ( Bush ) has done for the American people?

What has he accomplished so far?

I truely do not look forward to the next 3.5 years with him in office. I feel sorry for the next president who has to clean up his mess.

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

Raven: I wish you were correct and that I were above being mean occasionally. The only thing you can do when you fall off the horse is to climb back up. . . .

BunE: You and I will likely never see eye-to-eye on much of anything. I hope we find some common ground somewhere. I mean, even neopolss and I agreed yesterday about shooting fireworks. Maybe it will be easier for you and me to discuss once we've found some small thing we can agree on (I like vanilla ice cream and Depeche Mode; there's got to be something). For my part, I apologize for the tone of my post. I stand by the content.

//deep breath, sounds of getting back on horse//

Even Ronald Reagan, the Great Communicator, would have had trouble getting a clear message to the American people with most of the MSM fighting him tooth and nail. And no one claims that W's a great communicator. I don't think it's reasonable to blame him for others' false perceptions.

I think that left in power and unchecked Saddam would have passed WMDs (either the chemical that he had, the biological that he may have had, or the nuclear he desperately wanted) to Al-Qaida or some other terrorist group, who would not hesitate to use them, especially against the US. Do you think this is a reasonable statement? Do you agree with it? Do you disagree with it?

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

Ceallach: I did not say I was against the war I said we went to war for the wrong reasons. Even the people that I know that are over there say that. BUT because they believe in our country they are willing to fight for us all. I am not an elitist and never claimed to be. The men and women that are over there know much more than we do state side they are the ones fighting. We are left to listen to second hand or third hand information that has been turned and twisted to sound the way the TV/Media wants so that their viewpoint looks best.

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

Fanghorn: I imagine that you and I see more eye to eye than you might think. Thanks for the hand, I take it and declare that I LIKE VANILA ICE CREAM TOO!

I stand by my comments.

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

MMMMMMMMMMM Ice Cream I like them ALL

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 7 months ago

Ask anyone who funds the G.O.P. They'll tell you I'm a loyal S.O.B. I love 'em all 'cause all of them fund me Because the system works The system once called democracy

Got a little motto, always sees me through When you're good to Dubya Dubya's good to you Want a special tax break for the special few? Think of it as karma - help me, I'll help you

The campaign funding's tit-for-tat But tit's an expletive And tat's too big a word for me But please be sure to give!

After 9.11 folks are in a stew When you work the trauma The trauma works for you

Oilmen need the Iraq war To boost revenue The public loves the drama So they'll love me too.

The folks atop the ladder Are the ones that I work for So I will boost their incomes up And they will boost up George

The economy is struggling What would Daddy do? If you can't find Osama, Find someone else to screw...

War helps my poll numbers Friends get contracts, too When you fight Sadaam, yeah Sadaam is good for youuu.

Lyrics From "When You're Good To Dubya" By The Kinsey Sicks

crohan1978 12 years, 7 months ago

people keep saying Iraq had no links to terror, which is completely false. The 9/11 commission stated that there were no links between Iraq and 9/11, but that there were numerous contacts between terrorists, and Iraq was harboring known terrorists.

Secondly, Bush did not lie to the world, US intelligence, international intelligence, all said the same thing, Saddam had WMD's, and he acted on it. Even your beloved Bill Clinton said Saddam had WMD's so how is it exactly that Bush lied?

Lastly, you are all under the impression that it is a disaster over there, boy, sounds like you must be getting your news from the left wing press. Open up your eyes people. I have talked to numerous people in the military who said for the most part over there, it is peaceful, they're happy we're there, and no its going to be a long fight until the entire country is stabalized, but is worth it. Even people like Gary Sinise have said that the news cameras do not show reality, they only show you what goes wrong, never what goes right. Funny thing is, its the left wing people that seem to spend all day on these boards, that claim us "republicans" or "psychotic Christian people" are naive, and uninformed, and on and on and on. Well, obviously, the people that think that are the uninformed ones.

Get a stinkin LIFE!!!

willa 12 years, 7 months ago

There are a lot of uninformed and partially informed people out there, and I would include myself in that group. Anyone relying upon a single group for information--even military people--is bound to have skewed info. Just as it is neither all Repubs' or Dems' fault that our country is in a mess, the reports from Iraq are neither all good or all bad.

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

BunE: And there was much rejoicing! It's a small thing, but even long journeys begin with little steps. I actually like custard even more than ice cream, but it's a little too rich for some. But if I walk to Culver's it off-sets the extra calories.

We all discussed our favorite cheese a few days ago. Why not our favorite ice cream/custard flavors? Or have we already done that?

acg 12 years, 7 months ago

None of us are going to ever know exactly who knew what in regards to this whole pathetic war. Did W lie? Does Howdy Doody have wooden balls? Of course he lied, he's a politician. They all lie, Democrat, Republican, Liberal, it doesn't matter. People lie, especially when it comes time to cover their butts. But now we need to stop fighting about who knew what and who did what to whom and start trying to figure out how to get ourselves out of this mess. As long as we're all at each other's throats about our differences in political opinions, and we are--nationwide, then we're not concentrating on the problems at hand like the war, the financial ruin of a lot of the people in this nation, education crises, health crises, prescription drug costs, overcrowding, hey wait a minute, it's just too much. Screw it, I'm going to go hide on a mountain somewhere.

BTW, Bryer's plain chocolate, all the way. That stuff is like crack to me.

ladysilk 12 years, 7 months ago

I will not go down under the ground "Cause somebody tells me that death's comin' 'round An' I will not carry myself down to die When I go to my grave my head will be high, Let me die in my footsteps Before I go down under the ground.

There's been rumors of war and wars that have been The meaning of the life has been lost in the wind And some people thinkin' that the end is close by "Stead of learnin' to live they are learning to die. Let me die in my footsteps Before I go down under the ground.

I don't know if I'm smart but I think I can see When someone is pullin' the wool over me And if this war comes and death's all around Let me die on this land 'fore I die underground. Let me die in my footsteps Before I go down under the ground.

There's always been people that have to cause fear They've been talking of the war now for many long years I have read all their statements and I've not said a word But now Lawd God, let my poor voice be heard. Let me die in my footsteps Before I go down under the ground.

If I had rubies and riches and crowns I'd buy the whole world and change things around I'd throw all the guns and the tanks in the sea For they are mistakes of a past history. Let me die in my footsteps Before I go down under the ground.

Let me drink from the waters where the mountain streams flood Let me smell of wildflowers flow free through my blood Let me sleep in your meadows with the green grassy leaves Let me walk down the highway with my brother in peace. Let me die in my footsteps Before I go down under the ground.

Go out in your country where the land meets the sun See the craters and the canyons where the waterfalls run Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Idaho Let every state in this union seep in your souls. And you'll die in your footsteps Before you go down under the ground.

Bob Dylan

In memory of Charlie- died 2005 Iraq

GreenEyedBlues 12 years, 7 months ago

Sour Power Bomb Pops are my crack this summer, ACG!

ladysilk 12 years, 7 months ago

I like one scoop of butter pecan in a sugar cone :)

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

Double Chocolate Malted Crunch at Thrifty Drug Store in Cali.


willa 12 years, 7 months ago

Just tried Caramel Cone Haagen Dazs -- sinfully delicious.

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

Sorry counldn't resist!!

Favorite Flavor is Pralines and Cream

stargazer 12 years, 7 months ago

Vanilla Bean Ice Cream, or Cherry Nut Frozen Yogart. delicious.....

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

My favorite ice cream is those ice cream cookie sandwiches. Yum!

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

Or a Jamocha Blast from Baskin Robbins

ms_canada 12 years, 7 months ago

Explosive topic today. I read down the whole board and was going to make a list of left and right opinions but have not the time. The general impression I get is that most are just plain fed up and frustrated by the whole war thing. I hear Bush lied, Bush lied. I don't particularly like the man but I do feel somewhat sorry for him. The buck stops with him, does it not? But, let's face it, he only acts on the advice and information that he is given. It seems utterly wrong to place all the blame on him. Heard an interesting comment yesterday that what is needed in Iraq is a lot more troops to control the insurgents and ultimately wipe them out. The more troops, the quickerthe conflict ends. The commenter said that there ARE other countries that have offered troops but want them to be trained in their own country. Fine, very good, the problem lies with the US insisting that they be trained in Iraq, which would put them in far more danger while training, than in their own country. These other leaders do not feel good about putting their troops in unnecessary danger so have pulled back their offer. It is stupid conflicts like this that are holding back the finale to the war. And people will get more and more fed up with Bush and co. wanting to be the big kid on the block.

Redneckgal 12 years, 7 months ago

Homemade vanilla with chocolate cake and frosting mashed up togther.

ladysilk 12 years, 7 months ago

Redneckgal: YUM!!!! icecream and cake mashed together!

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Rhetoric is still strong post-election!

All politicians are liars and most have very little empathy for the average working person. Should any of us be surprised? No...

And Tom_Foolery, Kerry lost, let it go. Isn't there some other Democrat you'd like to blame that is more relevant and topical? And Its okay to admit that Bush is human and MAKES MISTAKES!!! To believe anything else would be delusional.

I like green tea ice cream after sushi.

enochville 12 years, 7 months ago

ms_canada: I know for a fact that there are Iraqi's being trained in Europe. Some countries may have offered to train and were refused, but at least some offers were accepted, because it is happening now.

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 7 months ago

Get a big bowl of vanilla ice cream. Take about 5 or 6 big heaping spoons of nestle quik chocolate. Spread it over the whole thing. If that doesn't look like enough spread some more on there.

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

I am still mad about the rabbit deletion! These guys can talk about woodies and balls but they delete the first mention of female masturbation? I am beginning to feel slighted here folks. I'm not suggesting removal but WTF?

Ceallach 12 years, 7 months ago

Jamoca Almond Fudge @ Baskin Robbins.

Fangorn: don't be too hard on yourself, sometimes ya just gotta let the other guys that you still have a strong bow hand :)

Is today "oops, I forgot to take my paranoia meds," or what? :-)

Richard Heckler 12 years, 7 months ago

Instead of ice cream I went for a blueberry granola smoothie...yumo.

The answer to the question is absolutely. More everyday are doing something very difficult after supporting him. Yes more former supporters of the Iraq invasion are having to admit that their president lied to them.


1.There are too many people being killed.

2.The war is costing too much money of which could be spent on socialized medicine,public school education, moving on to new energy sources which could create many many new jobs in the USA.

3.Too many from the current administration lied to the world about Iraq...the war to control the world's oil supply.

4.Our allies are not stupid people and knew/know more about Iraq and the mideast than Pres. Bush cares to know.

5.He has never been the man for this job. During his campaign he was a smart ass during the debates...that has yet to change.

  1. GW Bush should have stayed on the ranch instead of feeling he had to prove himself to the family...

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Thanks OMB, I know its okay with you guys but WTF was up with that day's removals? There have been a ton of bad d*ck jokes made since than and NO REMOVAL! I am deeply offended ;-p salad.

Sakuraba 12 years, 7 months ago

I've always wanted to see WTF? as the on the street question.

remember_username 12 years, 7 months ago

I'm grateful to all those who brought up ice cream, and I'm very grateful that I waited until after lunch to catch up on the posts.

If any of us really had all the whole story of why we're in Iraq there wouldn't be enough room on this site to relate it. Lets just say that mistakes were made and we can all acknowledge that. Remember that advice was elicited from those GW trusts to give advice - information contrary to his perceptions wasn't given the weight we now know it should have been given. The assault on Iraq exceeded everybody's expectations but the difficulties of the peace suprised all but a few. I still think they should divide old Iraq into three parts as I posted here many months ago.

As for those who desire power lying? They're just being human and that's what humans do. (Sometimes I'd rather be a rabbit.)

simple_simon 12 years, 7 months ago

I seem to recall a while back one of the female posters here mentioned something about a "purple-headed yogurt-slinger"---and that got deleted too! Carmenilla, perhaps the boys at the LJ World get a little uncomfortable when female posters mention anything at all about sex/masturbation.

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Sakuraba, I needed that! Can't stop laughing...

r_u, exactly! People who want power might LIE to get it? I'm shocked, really!

tell_it_like_it_is 12 years, 7 months ago

Oh my god r_u. I think I'd take back that rabbit thing if I were you.

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Poor Simon, your posts almost never make it! You can maybe understand the frustration. What can you be posting that is so bad? Hmm, I wonder...

acg 12 years, 7 months ago

Oh Sakuraba, I would also love to see that be the On The Street question. Oh can you imagine the array of wonderful answers they would get?!

ms_canada 12 years, 7 months ago

Tom Foolery - that's the guy. I did not hear the entire interview. But, this was my thought; ok, this war is getting to be a real problem, at least that is what a lot of people, and a lot on the board today seem to be thinking. Soooooo how can it be fixed? How CAN it be fixed? Is there a workable solution? I thought, yes, get some more soldiers in there and wipe out those insurgents quickly. If not American boys and girls, how about Swedes, Norwegians, Romanians. After all, it's their world too. But if the US insists that the Swedes etc have to train in Iraq, that is a problem. At least that is what Mr. Kerry was saying. I don't know where he got his information from, did not hear the entire thing. Do you see what I am saying? It was just a thought, that sounds like a good idea, why are we not doing that. If anyone here today knows the answer to how to end the conflict, let him speak. Speak, there's nice boy. Good boy! 8-)) Crohan says that he hears that it is not so bad in Iraq. Good. Then why in the blazes are we all getting our knickers in such a terrible twist? Let's all go sit in the shade and eat our ice cream custard with lots of chocolate sauce on it and forget about the war.

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

I just remembered I bought a French Slik Pie Blizzard from Dairy Queen last night and its still in the freezer. I get to busy and then it gets to late to eat something like that.

I'm bummed out now, they just don't taste the same when they are frozen.........LOL

I'll nuke it for a few seconds and soften it up for this evening after I get everything done I have to do.

I bet Ben and Jerry are rakign in the bucks right now........

simple_simon 12 years, 7 months ago

I don't know, but I seldom ever mention anything about masturbation. I'm sure my previous post will probably get deleted before this day is over, however!!

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

I like to add marshmellow creme to chocolate blizzards. THe creme just makes it taste right.

I'm not much into chunks of brownies either.

jay_allen 12 years, 7 months ago

I love banana splits!---Especially the ones with really big bananas that have lots and lots of whip cream smothered all over them!! Mmmm!

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

Its funny how the question of the day got changed to ......what kind of ice creme is your favorite.

I guess you could say ..........its truely hot outside.


happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

At least 'big banana's' won't get deleted

or will they?

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

My other favorite in the summertime is chocolate butter rum cream pie with lots of whipped cream yummy

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Sonic has the cutest little Jr. Banana Splits. I get them a couple times a week and I don't feel guilty afterwards because they are so leetle. Moderation is the key...

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Talking about the war on here is like beating one's head against the wall. Everyone is so "right" its sickening. And I don't mean "Right" as in Conservative.

Geez, extreme_makeover! What happened to your droll commentary?

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

I just figure we are war with Iraq and theres not a d@mn thing I can do about anyway.

I didn't vote for Mr. Bush and he started this war not me. I just hope and pray he doesn't decide to go after someone else real soon.

It is truely sad to wake up each morning and hear of more dead soldiers over there and how truely angry there families are now.

I went along with the whole ice creme thing because its FREAKIN hot out and I needed a ice something to cool me down.

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

h and k if you love coffee ice cream sometime you need to try a capacino blast made with jamocha ice cream and sprinkled with cinnamon from baskin robbins

happy_me 12 years, 7 months ago

Like ip I didn't vote for the monkey and there is little to nothing I can do to stop the war so why put so much negativity in the air because of it

Jay_Z 12 years, 7 months ago

God I love all of these liberal hippies in this town. Keep driving around with your "Kerry for President" bumper stickers, protest on Mass. St. every Saturday, and smoke weed with the Honk for Hemp guy on Mass. St. Woo hoo!!

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

I pretty much despise all things Starbucks, but I gotta admit they make the best coffee ice cream, hands down.

Thanks Jay_Z for that enlightening comment!

spongiform 12 years, 7 months ago

The war will slow down once we get some McDonalds franchises set up in Iraq. Nothing will slow those skinny little insurgents like a couple BigMacs

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

See, BunE, if we talk about ice cream it's not all peace, love, and Ben & Jerry's, but it sure is more delicious to read the posts. Thanks for sharing a bowl with me. (Of ice cream, you drug addicts!) ;-)~

r_u: Did you actually catch the "rabbit" discussion a few days ago? It might not be what you think it is! //smirk//

italianprincess 12 years, 7 months ago

I'm not a liberal hippie, and I don't have a Kerry bumper sticker on my new car either.

Who said I voted for him anyway. I have never stood on Mass St to protest against anything, but would have and will to keep child molesters out.

I don't smoke weed now, but will say yes I did back in the days of my youth. I call it my rebel high school years of coping with crap, peer pressure, and parents divorce.

Hmmmmmm, ponder on that one for awhile Jay_Z.

jonas 12 years, 7 months ago

jonas: No problem. Personally, I feel that a lot of the problem is that both sides are letting each other (and themselves, for that matter) be spoken for by idiots who have a vested interest in making sure the populace remains divided. Al Franken, Rush Limbaugh, Coulter, etc. are not interested in peaceable solutions, or compromise at all, for that matter, but it's a mistake to think that what they say, or what they say the opposition says, has any total basis in truth or reality.

For the record, I'm pretty weary of the Bush lied idea. It's just a guess for any of us, anyway. The truth is will never know if he knowingly decieved us or not, and anyone claiming to know for sure is just projecting their own preconceived opinion anyway.

remember_username 12 years, 7 months ago

There's a protest on Mass Street every Saturday?

jonas 12 years, 7 months ago

whoa, I'm talking to myself, now. Sorry, Fangorn, that was supposed to be addressed to you

remember_username 12 years, 7 months ago

fangorn - yes, I did. Just trying to deliver a few smiles with that comment, the board needed it.

Carmenilla 12 years, 7 months ago

Is it just me or is the spelling getting worse since that one poster said our writing mistakes were comical? Are you guys doing it on purpose? Whatever, its funny.

And jonas, I thought you were merely talking to one of your other personalities. I mean you wouldn't be the only poster on here to have MPD, don't you agree?

ladysilk 12 years, 7 months ago

I just stopped in to catch up on the posts and I can't stop laughing...

wichita_reader 12 years, 7 months ago

Way off ice cream (orange push ups, drumsticks, and ice cream sandwiches) and Iraq war (yes, people are losing patience in my opinion), but has anyone heard or read about the perv that got caught peeping from the bottom of an outhouse? A friend e-mailed part of the story to me, and I had to track it down for myself to verify. Thought I'd share so all can be forewarned of the lengths these weirdos will go to to fulfill their sick minds. What a fruit loop!

Ceallach 12 years, 7 months ago

wichita_reader: you win the prize for best distraction material! What a fruit loop indeed! Too bad a grown woman didn't catch him doing that. The medics would have to decontaminate the head wounds before they could stitch him up. Someone needs to whoop some sense into him.

Liberty 12 years, 7 months ago

Psalm 2 - Some may take comfort in this:

Why do the nations rage, and the people imagine a foolish thing? The kings of the earth set themselves up, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed; (They say) Let us break their bands asunder (apart), and cast away their cords from us. He that sits in the heavens will laugh: the Lord will have them in derision (a laughing-stock). Then will He speak to them in His wrath, and torment them in his great displeasure... Be wise now therefore, O you kings: be instructed, you judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but just a little.

wichita_reader 12 years, 7 months ago

Ceallach: thanks for the laugh. Your post conjured up an incredible picture in my mind or a woman beating a feces-and-urine-laden pervert to a pulp. I loved the headline of that story, "potty prowler . . .."

Hong_Kong_Phooey 12 years, 7 months ago

ah..kpippen...a poster after my own heart...

Let's just turn the mid-east into a quiet parking lot for the next 10,000 years. That will take care of the majority of the terrorists and our problems with them.

You know what amuses me? All the people that say the U.S. needs to do something about leaders that trample human rights and kill of hundreds of thousands of civilians for no reason, then, when we DO something about one of them - they throw a hissy fit. Besides, let's be clear on one thing - the insurgents are killing far more Iraqi's than we are. We use precision guided ordinance and only target military targets (yes, a mosque holding ammunition is a military target!). Insurgents kill anything in their path. One of their leaders said, in essence, "you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette..." in reference to a bunch of kids that were driven over and then blown up by a car bomb.

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

Jonas: I wondered about your post. I thought maybe it had been a long day for you or something. Thanks for the laugh!

Ceallach 12 years, 7 months ago

Welcome, wichita, thanks for the link, it was hilarious! Sorry he frightened the young girl, but I'll bet the firemen were none to gentle as they decontaminated him. That makes an amusing picture too. (Unless of course someone caught it on a camcorder, turned it over to the media and he sued the firemen!!)

BunE 12 years, 7 months ago

Well, I just came out of a class and am most happy to see that we are talking Ice Cream.

HKP. Plenty of terrorists here too. I would just as soon you didn't bomb the place, I have a lot of family over there.

captain_poindexter 12 years, 7 months ago

all I have to say is....

"Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq:

"Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terroist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;

"Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations ...

this is what everyone voted on in authorizing the president. facts are facts

Fangorn 12 years, 7 months ago

w_r: I just looked at the link you provided, and I think I can speak for myself as well as many others when I say: Ewwwwww!!!!

Redneckgal 12 years, 7 months ago

Gross!! I know I for one will never look at an outhouse the same again!

Redneckgal 12 years, 7 months ago

PS Good discussion today I thought. Very emotional topic and no one got really nasty or hateful. No one even got zapped.

MasterBlue 12 years, 7 months ago

Posted by extreme_makeover on June 29 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So our boys are dying left and right and we simply chalk this up to mistakes?

No wonder politicians take advantage of the electorate, we seem to just as soon discuss masturbation and ice cream.

And the weather? For CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!!

What do you know about 'our boys?' Get off your pedestal and remember your political alignment.

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