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Who do you think should win the Wal-Mart battle?

Asked at Borders, 700 N.H. on August 11, 2005

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“Probably the city. There always seems to be a lot of people going to Wal-Mart, and it would cause crowding in that part of the city.”

Photo of Terri Gillam

“I don’t think we need another one. It’s a bad intersection in the first place because of the high school, and the one we have is big enough.”

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“I would think the city should be able to have a say in where it goes.”

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“We have enough Wal-Marts in Lawrence.”

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redbird 9 years, 4 months ago

What would everyone's answers be if it was something other than a "box" store...maybe a higher end store would be more acceptable for those who think they are too good for Wal-marts.....Iwouldn't mind another one,just make the aisles wider so I can get my dang basket through though!!!!

Jayhawk226 9 years, 4 months ago

North Lawrence may be much more appropriate, particularly due to its proximity to I-70.

Jayhawk226 9 years, 4 months ago

When I lived in Lawrence...I just shopped at Target.

It seemed cleaner to me.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 4 months ago

The taxpayers,neighborhoods and our city government should win the battle. Simply cannot have builders and real estate people planning the city. That type of influence which controlled the city commission and planning commission for more than a decade brought us high property taxes and inflated rents. Mr Newsome saying owners property rights are at stake is stretching things a bit. I know of no city that allows land speculators to do whatever they want with a piece of property

There are a lot of people who moved to Lawrence who do not want a Wal-Mart on every corner,who not need a shopping center at every major intersection and like the small town of Lawrence. New residents did not need to move to Lawrence for a "shop till you drop" lifestyle...that's what they knowingly left behind.

Most of my clients think we need to concentrate on the high end job market. It's the light industrial which includes the high tech embryonic cell research type employment that Lawrence needs to be prepared to attract.

If I cannot find a particular item in Lawrence,Kansas there is always catalog order and Kansas City is not far away. A day in Kansas City can be fun although it's not something that takes place at the drop of a hat....it's a planned combination visit of shopping and/or museums,antiques or outdoor music venture etc. etc.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 4 months ago

From The Idaho Statesman:

Newcomb says Wal-Mart rides on taxpayers' backs

House Speaker Bruce Newcomb is making noise about taking on Wal-Mart because he thinks the company relies on taxpayer subsidies to support underpaid workers. A bill that would have taxed Wal-Mart for what lawmakers said were substandard health plans was vetoed May 19 by Maryland Gov. Robert Ehrlich, who had Wal-Mart's chief operating officer at his side for the veto ceremony.

Newcomb, who helped Albertsons win a key tax-break this year, said he's looking at the Maryland bill for two reasons: The fiscal impact on Idaho and what he sees as an issue of fairness to companies like Albertsons, which pay far more generous wages and benefits.

"Wal-Mart's blowing people out of the water and if they're doing that by having the public sector subsidize their health care, that's wrong," Newcomb said. "That's really wrong." Newcomb, R-Burley, said he will ask the Department of Health and Welfare to study Wal-Mart workers' share of Medicaid. Such figures are not now available for Idaho. Wal-Mart employs 6,400 workers at 18 stores in Idaho. Data from other states suggests sloughing costs of health care, housing and other expenses to taxpayers is part of Wal-Mart's low-cost strategy.

In Georgia, Wal-Mart workers disproportionately take advantage of PeachCare, the state health insurance program for kids. For every four Wal-Mart workers, one dependent child was enrolled in PeachCare in 2002, or 10,261 of the 166,000 children covered. Wal-Mart's rival, Publix Supermarkets, enrolled one dependent for every 22 workers, according to the state. "That's not random," Newcomb said. "That's because of some kind of policy within the company."

But Wal-Mart's plans are less generous than competitors'. Wal-Mart says it spends $3,100 per year on medical benefits per employee, well below the average of $4,400 for large retailers, according to Mercer Human Resource Consulting. Wal-Mart workers pay about one-third of the cost of premiums, while employees of the typical Fortune 500 company pay one-fifth.

Wal-Mart workers got an estimated $1,952 in public assistance per worker, compared to $1,401 per worker for other big retailers.

Wal-Mart employees cost California taxpayers $86 million a year, according to the study, $32 million for health care and $54 million in other assistance including welfare, housing, energy assistance, low-income tax credits, and nutrition programs. The study estimated the cost of public aid to Wal-Mart workers nationally at up to $2 billion a year.

Jayhawk226 9 years, 4 months ago

I've always regarded Wal-Mart's presence as a sign that some small hick town has actually made it in the "big time." Once that Wal-Mart opens its doors, it's about as monumental as their first traffic signal.

So...having said that--Lawrence may actually gain 2 Wal-Marts?!!?

Hot damn.

I now have to rethink my theory...it's potentially going from "big time" to "cosmopolitan and chic time now!" Congrats.

tell_it_like_it_is 9 years, 4 months ago

Let me tell you about my Wal- Mart experience just last night. Someone ahead of me in line had a lot of items and was paying by way of a $100.00 bill. Wal-Mart apparently had a lot of counterfeit bills passed recently and therefore have to have management approval before the cashier can take a bill that large. Thats okay fine I can understand that buuuut...when the bored looking rude manager finely got there 10 minutes later..she didn't even look at the bill she just walked by put a line on it with a marker and didn't even look at the bill it could have been counterfeit as all get out and she'd have never known. She walked away without a word to anyone and finally the line moved. I suppose I could have changed checkout lanes but they were all about as backed up as that one. The only thing that kept running through my mind was I hate this store...I hate this store...I hate this store. Wal-mart is almost the only store in the town in which I live and its evil as hell as far as I'm concerned.

Jayhawk226 9 years, 4 months ago

The 6th and Wakarusa location seems embedded in smaller retail, dining locations and residential homes...all within limited space for further development.

I am assuming in Lawrence's most northern parts, beyond I-70...there'd be a more suitable location.

I'm not an urban planner though. I had never considered North Lawrence until OTR posted that.

Byrne 9 years, 4 months ago

sylvie: Assuming they're talking about a SuperWal-Mart now that the other one is expanding, one in North Lawrence would at least put a grocery store on that side of the river.

MasterShake 9 years, 4 months ago

Hopefully Wal-Mart pimp-slaps the city for changing the rules in mid-stream.

neopolss 9 years, 4 months ago

Wait, I need a few answers.

To those who complain that Walmart would bring too much traffic to sixth st. - have you actually been to sixth street? It isn't all quiet and serene there.

To the haters of Walmart in general - power of consumer - do not shop there, and stay steadfast.

To the haters of Walmart on sixth - apparantly the opinion is not shared by all. If so, they would simply let it be built and not shop there. Clearly most believe this will not happen.

Let's simply ban zoning and be done with it.

Topside 9 years, 4 months ago

Bob Campbell has it right as he states above next to his nice picture. "Wal-marts" is the way to pronounce it even tough Lawrence only has one.
"I'm going to Wal-Marts" or "I'm going to THE Wal-Marts" if you want to get WT formal about it. What does he write/consult for the "Wife Beater Times" or "PBR Monthly"?

Bruce Bertsch 9 years, 4 months ago

The state has already told Lawrence that the traffic on 6th street at Wakarusa out to K-10 is going to be too heavy for the road once the improvements are completed, if they allow more development. I feel for the developers, but the city as a whole is more important than your potential profit. Another telling sign is that this is one of few Wal Mart sites that didn't ask for tax abatement. Why...living wage law. Wal Mart doesn't want to have to pay a living wage so they asked for no abatements.

As a former member of the working poor, my family and I shopped at Target...never Wal Mart. Wal Mart is the evil empire.

notsomuch 9 years, 4 months ago

Ban the evil empire. Just how many more places in lawrence do we need to have where we can go and witness local child abuse??? Most of the kids in that store look like they have been dipped in milk and rolled in cornflakes! For heaven sakes people, wipe some noses!!!

Redneckgal 9 years, 4 months ago

One Wal-Mart maybe fine in a town the size of Lawrence. But imagine if that was the only store in town. Someone made the comment yesterday that there small town relatives just love to go to Wal-Mart when they come to town...I find that laughable..this small town gal and a lot of my friends and neighbors are so "Wal-Marted out" that we avoid Wal-Mart at any and all costs. I don't care if I have to spend a dime more here or even a dollar more there its well worth it to me. The whole atmosphere of the place is evil as far as I'm concerned.

Topside 9 years, 4 months ago

notsomuch, I agrre but, that is the place to see the latest in sleeveless evening wear. I always love that the majority of clothes in "The Wal-Marts" are tshirts that came free with your carton of smokes or a Jack Daniels give-a-way. Plus, I know this will be harsh, but it I always feel better about myself after being in "The Wal-Marts". Everytime I get down about my own career or whatever I go to "The Wal-Marts" and then I don't feel so bad.

Topside 9 years, 4 months ago

TOB, and Brian_Peppers are right. I love NIMBY! I don't know why eveyone complains so much you will all shop there...you will all shop there...you will all...

notsomuch 9 years, 4 months ago

What about east Lawrence??? We could put it on the toxic waste dump also known as Farmland!!!

craigers 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't think we need another Walmart and I seriously don't know if Lawrence could support another one. Other than that, I just don't like going to Walmart in general because it is always dirty and crowded.

chrys anthalbee 9 years, 4 months ago

redbird i'm in total agreement. my biggest beef (bison?) with wal-mart is the aisle size.

ottr a wal-mart in north lawrence wouldn't be a bad idea, as long as it has grocery items. bring back rogers!

t_o_b the tanger is an eyesore but has finally attracted businesses that don't need to attract customers to their door. i'm glad at least someone has found a use for it.

Topside 9 years, 4 months ago

notsomuch-they will never put it in E Lawrence because then they can't put on in Eudora in 5 yrs.

chrys anthalbee 9 years, 4 months ago

t_o_b tanger has protection one corporate headquarters that moved from topeka.

and there is also two call centers there now:

happygolucky 9 years, 4 months ago

I live in North Lawrence and if they want to build one, put it here. If not, a Dillions or something. Getto Dillions or the one on 6th and Lawrence Ave are the closest. Unless you like wood oil milk and bread. They have that big hole between Sonic and Tanger. I'm sure the rich snobs will get what they want. They have their Dillions and Hyvee. Screw everyone else. I'd rather see it go in east Lawrence than West. They don't have it much better than us. I guess we don't matter. If that's the case, can I keep my tax money?

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

More than one election has proven that who I think should win has little to do with who wins :)

If I read the article correctly the case before the court deals with whether or not the city legally refused to grant permits necessary to proceed with the project. Who should win? If Lawrence did not made the decision illegally, then the city should win. If the decision was not legally sound then the land owner should win.

Isn't the legal question whether or not the city acted within the law and not whether or not we want another Wal-Mart? If I am misunderstanding the situation I feel sure I can count on y'all or all y'all to set me straight (be gentle I have a headache today :)

tell_it_like_it_is 9 years, 4 months ago

Montgomery Wards TG&Y and Woolworths all had there hay day and then sooner or later something better came along and ran them out. It may take years but sooner or later Wal-mart will get pushed on out by something. And it can't come soon enough to suit me.

Lib_ee12 9 years, 4 months ago

Alright! I love Walmart questions. These are WAY more entertaining than Buffalo!

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

happygolucky: Good idea and good question! When my family moved to Lawrence we lived in North Lawrence and thoroughly enjoyed our neighborhood and the peace and quiet that are lacking in South Lawrence. But we also had Cole's grocery at second and Lincoln. That store was always busy. I later lived in East Lawrence and once again, good neighbors although not so quiet as the North side. It seems to me that both areas of town are judged by ancient prejudices and misinformation which are then applied to all residents of those neighborhoods. That of course is a different topic and heaven knows I strive to stay on topic :)

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

Because the question reads "who do you think should win the Wal-Mart battle?," my answer is the City of Lawrence. However, I haven't been following this and am not familiar with the city's zoning laws, or the "switcharoo" apparently pulled, so as to who will actually win, I can't comment. Strange battle though. Deep pockets v. politicians. Aren't those two usually on the same side?

Like other posters, I am one who will pay a higher price simply based on the premise of not shopping at Wal-Mart.

You Lawrence folk might be interested to know that Wichita too, has what my friends refer to as "the Ghetto Dillons," but I shop there regularly. It's only a couple blocks from my house. I guess I live in the ghetto, whatever that means.

I soured on Wal-Mart after I heard comments made by the company's CFO, as to why Wal-Mart doesn't provide better healthcare benefits to its workers. The CFO commented something like (I'm obviously paraphrasing here) Wal-Mart doesn't provide it's employees with health care benefits because it can't compete with the government funded healthcare benefits many of its employees receive.

WTF?

BTW, topside, PBR is damn good beer. Especially when it's chilled alongside a formaldehyde preserved foot.

beatrice 9 years, 4 months ago

Movie theaters should always outnumber Walmarts in any town. Until we get another theater, we shouldn't even be talking about another Walmart.

I do seriously hate the fact that people continue to shop at a store that is sueing us. If you don't like the actions of the commissioners, then vote them out of office. However, if people actually boycotted Walmart for any length of time, you can bet they would have dropped the lawsuit. It is our money that is being used for this.

And such hostility toward the west side today! The west side doesn't have everything -- not even a theater!

Lib_ee12 9 years, 4 months ago

Now, this is a really big what if, but what if even a small portion of the 6th and Wak area was a park? Greenery, walk trails, play ground equipment. Not a money maker, but city-friendly.

Manson 9 years, 4 months ago

Im just tired of the double standard that the city maintains. On one hand the city feels it can regulate wal-mart's desire to build a new store championing local business concerns yet allows any major chain downtown in what would seem to be a more at risk environment for local business owners. No matter your stance the double standard is evident. The city talks out of both sides of its mouth.

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

Well, Mom & Pops stores, if they have to be replaced, unfortunately, the best that can be done is with Wal-Mart & their low prices. Now, the Wal-Mart battle as to who should win. Wal-Mart should win. If the discount giant wins, this is a new Pandora's box for three of our inept City Commissioners (Boog, Rundle & Schauner), who FAILED THEN & FAIL NOW to recognize that every time traffic has become an issue, their traffic planning skills SUCK! Not only with this Wal-Mart deal they fail to plan for traffic congestion contingencies, but roundabouts being proposed by LHS?! GIVE ME A BREAK! How are they going to relieve traffic congestions at the above named locations? Unless the city planners' attorneys can come up with arguments that will RELIEVE traffic congestions on 6th, then Wal-Mart's victory will be these three individuals defeats for lousy traffic planning.

justathought 9 years, 4 months ago

5 mcdonalds 3 burger kings 2 wendys 7 subways 4 sonics 2 taco bells 4 taco johns Plus many many more fast food joints in lawrence...gee we aren't excessive at all nope not us nope.

ms_canada 9 years, 4 months ago

I will not shop at Wal-Mart. I don't like their employee policy and their store is an eyesore in my district. I went there shortly after it opened to see what it was all about and never went back. It is ugly to say the least and it has a very peculiar odour. The mechandise is sub standard if you ask me. They have absolutely no appeal. My part of this city has long been considered the home of the working poor and it has happened before that a big box opened and the same sort of merchandise was stocked. I thought it was a humungous insult to the residents of my area. Just because we lacked a big bank roll was no reason that we would wear the cheap looking crap that they were offering. I would not even buy a litter tray for my cat there. And so it happened that that store went out of business; too many felt as I did. Can your city really support another junk store without putting others out of business?

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

Justathought, don't forget 2 Arbys. The other thing about this new Wal-Mart, is it going to be "ecologically" sound like that one in Texas? If I mention the wrong one, my apologies. I mean, we all know the cost of oil, not only for our cars, but heating & cooling. Wind turbines are in discussion here in Kansas, so is this Wal-Mart planning for that kind of store?

Shelby 9 years, 4 months ago

Wal-mart sells fine litter boxes. They sell fine food items. Their plants are fine, their fish are fine, their cigarettes are fine--most products they sell can be found in a number of other outlets. What separates a Wal-Mart product from any other store's product? Ms_canada, you sound bigoted.

Wal-Mart employs hundreds of people who otherwise wouldn't have a job. Hundreds.

Their prices are the absolute lowest and allow the poorest people to live more like the middle-class.

Sounds kind of like a social program, doesn't it liberals?

Shelby 9 years, 4 months ago

The existing wal-mart was visited by none other than Hillary Clinton, who gave a speech on its supposed eco-friendliness.

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

The idea behind Wal-Mart should NOT be necessarily another class warfare (Rich, Middle, Poor imcomes) of sorts. Let me give you another scenario. If Wal-Mart loses or wins either way, then our City Commission BETTER go back to the drawing board & come up with BETTER ways to alleviate traffic congestions (BESIDES ROUNDABOUTS). That is their NEXT project.

raven 9 years, 4 months ago

I really don't understand why everyone dislikes Wal-Mart. I am fine it with it, I go therewhen I need to I used to always buy my school supplies from there. Target has a poor selection and Wal-Mart is cheaper than Office Depot.

I also don't think that everyone should be talking about the people that shop at Wal-Mart. I think it is really sad that people sit on this board on their high horses and talk about others as if they are better. Lets try not to be so judgemental.

Carmenilla 9 years, 4 months ago

Wal-Mart is a double-edged sword for me. I try not to shop there but DO bring my recycling there. I was very peeved when they abruptly shut down the recycliing center with little or no warning recently. In fact, I was talking to an employee of said recycling center and she told me they gave her a day's notice that it was closing. That was Wal-Mart not CLO that put off telling the employees. It was a very lame move IMHO...

People keep talking about how they want to shower after they hit the Wal-Marts (yes, it is the lack of humanity in there-or maybe there is too much). I bring wet wipes for my sticky recycling hands. Maybe you should bring them and give yourself a good wipe after shopping.

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

e_m: Hamm's it was. My apologies.

Those billions of plastic bags Wal-Mart and other retailers hand out aren't very eco-friendly.

ms_canada 9 years, 4 months ago

Shelby - am I bigoted? Well, sir, I don't know. But I would invite you to visit the W-M in my district and let you see for yourself. I have been in other W-M stores in Louisiana and Montana and I don't know the reason for the difference but this W-M is filled with the worst looking stuff. I kid you not. As I said earlier, it is an insult to the people living in my area of Edmonton. Cheap looking furniture and the clothes are other-worldly. I am not a snob about clothes but I would not wear some of W-M clothes to take my garbage out. That is my complaint. The insult of it, mainly.

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

OB, if everyone hates Wal-Mart so much, then why is the company making BILLIONS every year if their prices are so cheap? The workers are NOT paid high enough in that kind of stressful environment. Thanks for your kind words earlier.

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

Ok, folks, this Wal-Mart debate MUST NOT be about who's rich, poor, or middle income. The trash we should be hauling to the dumpster are the CITY PLANNERS who DID NOT consider the ramifications of this new mega complex by FSHS. Again, it comes down to traffic congestion relief. Rundle, Highberger, & Schauner (THE three inept commissioners in office) keep Lawrence going around in circles with these ROUNDABOUTS & they have NOT shown us how traffic congestions can be remedied. The three above mentioned individuals are the real trash & it's time to clean house NOW!

jvr 9 years, 4 months ago

i would just like to say that i am not ashamed to say that I love Walmart and their low prices!

Curtis Lange 9 years, 4 months ago

Let Wal-Mart build. Having a Wal-Mart on the northwest side of town would help ease traffic on the southside of town where they're changing the other Wal-Mart into a SuperCenter too. Either way, both Wal-Mart's will be right by the highway for people in the rural parts of town. If anything, this will help EASE traffic in certain parts of the city. Traffic is not the problem here though; stupid people that are against change are.

What they need to do is regulate how many banks Lawrence needs. There does NOT need to be one on every corner like there is today...

Richard Heckler 9 years, 4 months ago

Most of what has been done and not planned so well were decisions made by development people who dominated the planning and city commissions for at least 15 years. It was local business men and women who made those decisions and in part created this Wal-Mart fiasco. Bankers,builders,suppliers, real estate sales, land speculators all of whom had some kind of special interest. It is seldom you actually get real live planners sitting on the city/county planning commission.

The Wal-Mart department store was too big and would likley bring a ton of traffic to the area which is why a few hundred near by neighbors signed a protest petition.

It would make more sense to bring in a store that pays well plus medical benefits for those who desire a job in a department store and COSTCO fills those demands. It would also make more sense to place a COSTCO in the SE area off of K 10. Somehow north Lawrence should get a grocery store AGAIN as well. Grocery stores depend on volume sales which I believe might work if Tanger could free up some space.

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

Hey e_m: Is Wal-Mart Gold Bank? That's what I was told by a friend several years ago, but never followed up on it.

Carmenilla 9 years, 4 months ago

Some would choose that, OMB.

Seriously...

lunacydetector 9 years, 4 months ago

the City of Lawrence should LOSE, and walmart should win.

personally, i don't like walmart. i think they are bad operators, BUT, they played by the rules and the city did not.

nlf78 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm proud to say that I go to Walmart once a week. My husband and I have a young daughter and money is really tight for us. If I can get it at Walmart and it's cheap, I'm all for it. Oh, I worked at Target in high school and I have NEVER been back. I refuse to spend my hard earned money there. Oh, I do miss K-Mart too!

Lib_ee12 9 years, 4 months ago

I like your idea E_M, about the historic trees. Run with that.

Wasn't it Sam's Club that sold coffins a while back??

Jay_Z 9 years, 4 months ago

Couldn't agree more with some of what has been said: the people running this city are CLUELESS when it comes to traffic in Lawrence. Let's build roundabouts, make the streets narrower, not build the SLT.....damn morons.

I like ol' Wally World--they've got almost everything and it's pretty damn cheap.

Wally World should win the court battle--Lawrence changing the rules after the fact ain't gonna hold up in court. Maybe the city shouldn't waste our damn tax dollars fighting this eventual court loss and use the money to improve traffic!!

Lib_ee12 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't know how many coffins they had in stock, but I'm pretty sure it was them. What would you do with bulk quantities of coffins? Start a business?

Curtis Lange 9 years, 4 months ago

Trees? Historic in Kansas? Yeah right. Those trees are no more historic to this state than those traffic cones in the construction zone at 6th and Wakarusa. Nice try though.

craigers 9 years, 4 months ago

Target's benefits seemed pretty nice to me when I worked there, but I couldn't tell you specific numbers. I know I got paid pretty well and my health benefits were pretty good as well.

By the way where is the 4th Taco Johns? I know I am probably having a brain fart, but... 23rd and Ousdahl, 23rd and Haskell, 6th and Maine, and ?

I would appreciate the help. I love that place!!! I know I am pretty biased on the WalMart thing, but I have to go there sometimes when it is after 10pm. Other than that it is Target all the way. Our store in Lawrence is cleaner, has wider aisles, and doesn't look so sloppy with flats as fixtures in the middle of aisles.

craigers 9 years, 4 months ago

I thought you could get coffins on their website, but I would have to check. WM that is.

hottruckinmama 9 years, 4 months ago

there is only one way to make a dent in wal-mart if you don't like it (and i don't) but you have be willing to talk with your purse rather than your mouth. some times it might cost you a little extra but than agian sometimes you'd be surprised to find that other places have stuff actually a lot cheaper.

Topside 9 years, 4 months ago

One thing I have noticed that is funny about a lot of Wal-Marts around is that it costs extra to buy in bulk. My big example I noticed was when I buy deodorant...a normal stick of speed stick costs like 2 bucks. Lots of times there will be "bonus" packs of 2 that sell for like 4.25 or something and I'm like WTF? I have noticed it on shaving cream too.

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

Those of you who agree with what I said earlier, Thank you so many times over. Those of you who don't agree, & everyone here, please let me explain. Today's discussion on Wal-Mart goes back, yes, many years ago when Powers that Be ran this city. Those who don't agree please understand that this goes back to the issue of city planning & development. The three commissioners I trash repeatedly are ones that WE need to vote OUT in the next election because they are not forward thinkers. ROUNDABOUTS that THEY want are being removed in foreign countries, & here we are with these STUPID "TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICES" (Phew, that stinks for more than a mile!). I hope Wal-Mart wins & when they do, BOOG, DAVID, & MIKE RUNDLE, watch out, cause the next election cycle, I hope we vote all three OUT!

wlf2527 9 years, 4 months ago

why not take out the tanger mall, turn that into a wal-mart. I'm sure most of u do a lot of travling. When it comes to an emergency and someone needs something have u ever notice that you have to drive thourgh a town just to find a wal-mart. Why not give that a thought.

rhd99 9 years, 4 months ago

wlf2527, great IDEA. One problem, to where will the DMV locate? Or does it stay there? That is one sure sign WE the taxpayers can save LOTS. STOP wasting our MONEY, COMMISSES & start using what's built!

DaREEKKU 9 years, 4 months ago

I believe Wal-Mart IS the anti-christ. Does anybody also take into account that we have a Target as well? Honesty, two Wal-Marts and a Target are a little bit of overkill for Lawrence.....Besides, the charm about Lawrence are the small locally owned shops and companies. Why don't we stick to enhancinig those??

sandrat7 9 years, 4 months ago

Topside - same for canned cat food. The bonus packs of 4 or 6 cost more per can than if you bought them singley. Same brand, same size. I am guessing they think folks are so stupid they can't figure it out.

craigers 9 years, 4 months ago

Where's the fourth Taco Johns? I am dying to know.

italianprincess 9 years, 4 months ago

I skipped through everyone's elses answer to the question of the day today.

I figure its all going to be a yes and no answer, then get turned into some political thing.

I for one think Lawrence needs only one Walmart. They are expanding the one we have and that should be enough. To put one near the high school would be silly and cause more traffic to jam. I understand theres a new neighborhood going up, but they can drive to the one we have. We live on the east side and my son drives to Free State every day for school and it seems like the same distance.

I understand growth in a city but to build a new Walmart so they don't have to drive to other is pure laziness.

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

craigers: from yahoo yellow pages

All BusinessesShowing 1 to 4 of 4 Business Name: Address:
Taco John's (785) 843-0936 1101 W 6th St Lawrence, KS Map

Taco John's (785) 842-8185 Web Site 1626 W 23rd St Lawrence, KS Map

Taco John's (785) 842-5533 2309 Haskell Ave Lawrence, KS Map

Taco John's (785) 749-1388 3500 Westridge Dr Lawrence, KS Map

northboundsouthend 9 years, 4 months ago

Geez, can we really believe this much crap over a simple issue? The land is (or was) zoned for a "big box". The box doesn't get any bigger than Wal-Mart. The employment figure a few years ago was the one in every four Americans will have worked for Wal-Mart at some point in their life. The debate started when Wal-Mart wanted to exceed the zoned size of the questioned lot. They wanted to provide a larger building w/ more services and better presentation. They have always had the option to put one of those small town eye-sore Wal-Marts in. THAT fits the zoning. Now that the Lawrence Super Wal-Mart is going to be at the south location, maybe that is just what we are going to get. What Wal-Mart calls a minimum division one store. They will still sell what they want to sell. The groceries (which Wal-Mart pricing will be nice in this town) will be available at the south supercenter. The Tire and Lube will be available at the south supercenter. The new tire and lube will accomadate large RV's. Something that doesn't exist in this town at this time. WAKE UP Lawrence. We can't be a little bitty town and survive in the economy of Topeka and KC as both grow toward us. The University is here and we will all benefit from the growth. If you want "small town", buck up and drive an extra ten minutes. There are some jewels of small town living well within that radius.

nlf78 9 years, 4 months ago

The 4th Taco Johns is their management office - Only 3 restaurants!

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

Looks like the one you were missing is at 3500 Westridge Drive. Around 6th & Kasold, I think.

craigers 9 years, 4 months ago

Now I remember. The fourth that they are refering to is the office for Taco Johns right by Henry Ts at 6th and Kasold. Thanks wichita_reader.

Topside 9 years, 4 months ago

Thanks sandrat7, I knew the problem was widespread.

Ceallach 9 years, 4 months ago

The finer folk who feel soiled after shopping at Wal-Mart should shop somewhere else -- simple solution. Since I do not LIVE at Wal-Mart and do not allow my grandchildren to lay on their floors I have thus far managed to shop there without being defiled. So just stay away, it's your choice, and with the huddling masses who are shopping there a few less people will not make any difference. I don't understand why you feel entitled to deny others their right to shop there. Pleeessssuh, stay away, one less person in line in front of me.

ms_canada: Wal-Mart's merchandise does vary from region to region. In S Texas the shelves are probably 80% different merchandise and styles as opposed to Lawrence. They apparently mismanaged their marketing strategies in your neck of the woods, and paid for it by going out of business.

Those upset about the city being sued should be upset with the politicians who brought this on, not the companies who would not quietly fade away after they were misled.

I was comforted to know that Boog "felt good" about the city's chances. (just threw that in because I "felt good" about making a sarcastic remark :)

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

Also, I meant to comment on this earlier after reading blue73harley's post. The reason Lawrence doesn't have a Red Lobster isn't because the city kept them out. Red Lobster kept themselves out.

I worked at the RL in Topeka for 2.5 years, and served many folks from Lawrence. One day when the District Manager was in, I asked him why there wasn't a RL in Lawrence. He informed me that in the mid to late 90s RL had looked at building a restaraunt in Lawrence out by the then new movie theater on Iowa near K-10, but with a restaraunt in Topeka and several in greater KC, the market data and research showed that the economy wouldn't support it. Another factor he gave was that the only other attraction in the area at that time was the movie theaters.

ladysilk 9 years, 4 months ago

OMB... I read your comment about the discount casket store and busted up laughing, spit coke all over the computer screen. Thanks, I needed that laugh today. Now I have the Monty Python "bring out your dead" scene running through my head. ROFLMAO

Staci Dark Simpson 9 years, 4 months ago

C'mon people! Get off your friggin' high horses and admit you go to Wal-mart. It is not the Anti Christ, it is not white trash and you can get cooties from the gas pump so get over it. Puh-leez!!

I agree with Bowhunter, have you ever tried to shop at the one on Iowa, its a friggin nightmare. We could use a big store on the other side of town. I live in Tongie and it sucks to drive clear across town, dodging potholes when you need something from Wal-Mart. So guess what? We don't shop much in Lawrence anymore. We take our well above average income asses to Walmart in BOnner Springs, where you can get your cart around without knocking out blue haired old ladies.

We are not white trash. Let me know when Dillards starts selling toilet paper and Weavers starts selling maxipads. If you want to pay more for your stuff to feel good about yourself go for it. Peace out!!

kansaskev61 9 years, 4 months ago

It's not that they are against the size of the store at that corner. It's that they don't want a WalMart in the trendy west side. If they wanted the WalMart in the east side it would be a non issue. The snobs on the Westside don't want the wrong people shopping on THEIR side of town. If it were Nordstrom's that wanted to build by at that corner there would be a cheer heard all the way to Rodeo Drive. Let WalMart build. Bring the values and the low, low prices!

hottruckinmama 9 years, 4 months ago

oh e_m i bet that'd do the trick. that'd probably keep a lot of people away. myself included. matter of fact fred phelps would probably show up and then it'd turn into a real 3 ring circus. what a funny thought!

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

Hey all:

Completely off topic, but you might want to fill your vehicles up w/ gas in the next 45 mins to an hour, if you can. Just heard from the Presto store across the way, and their clerk indicated that with crude prices going over $66/barrel today, their regular unleaded price will be increasing from $2.38/gallon to $2.50/gallon w/in the next hour or hour and a half.

Don't know if the price increase has hit your area yet or not, but you might be able to save yourselves a buck, or two or three, depending on what you drive.

wichita_reader 9 years, 4 months ago

I know you can at some Sam's Club locations, i.e., members only Wal-Mart, but not sure about Wal-Marts generally.

Jayhawk226 9 years, 4 months ago

I figured once grocery stores started adding gas stations...Wal-Mart was next in line.

I kinda asked as a joke...guess there really are some after all.

happyone 9 years, 4 months ago

northboundsouthend -- Are you my Cosmo reading friend? :)

As for Wal-mart I think the City needs to quit the BS and let it go in. Wal-Mart was told they could buikd there and they should be able to do so. I for one would love to have one on this side of town. I also know that Mr. Devilbis (the owner of the Mall on the other side that includes Baskin Robbins, Scotch ect.) Welcomes Wal-Mart to that corner. It will bring business to the shops on that corner. It will also easy traffic on south Iowa. Its a win-win situation. The only downfall is that the City has decided to waste tax payers money and object to something that at one point they had said was OK.

Now as for the 'heated' I HATE WAL-MART folks no one says you have to shop there. But let the rest of us that do shop there have a choice. If it wasn't for the prices at Wal-Mart my kids would do without a lot of things, some of which are necessities like clothes and shoes.

italianprincess 9 years, 4 months ago

Off topic.........About the gas issue here. I just read all about the increase on MSN and its true people. Gas is going up and I'm glad I filled my car up today.I paid $2.29 on Iowa and 9th, but not sure if he has raised his prices yet since I was there.

What the @$&% is going on? Something is wrong with this picture. Its truely sad that gas is so high.

tell_it_like_it_is 9 years, 4 months ago

I wonder for every penny gas raises how much it will drop Bush's approval rating? I here its now in the upper 30's. Just to bad its a day late and a dollar short and didn't happen before the election. And by the way in at least 2 places in Ottawa it was $2.49 a gallon for regular unleaded at 5 pm and at least on other says they will be raising before midnight.

happygolucky 9 years, 4 months ago

Some walmarts have gas. Pittsburg has sold gas at their walmart for 3 or 4 years now. If they want a Walmart in west lawrence, let them pay more taxes. They want their cake and eat it too, then put your money where your mouth is. A lot of places don't have the advantages of having ANY stores in their part of town.

italianprincess 9 years, 4 months ago

Does the president worry about gas prices? .............NO.

He doesn't have to pay for gas, right?

He gets taken here and there, but does it come out of his pocket like it does ours?

I don't believe so, so why would he care.

beatrice 9 years, 4 months ago

Wait a minute. You mean to tell me that we invaded an oil-rich nation looking for WMDs, when none were found we switched our goal to the task of liberating their oil ... um, I mean their people, have spent hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars, lost nearly 2000 American lives and alterted many more because of injuries in the process, were told that those who sacrificed would benefit, and yet our gasoline prices are still going up? I guess there is only one solution -- INVADE IRAN NOW!

Then we can build Wal-Marts all over Mesopotamia.

TOB: What gives you the idea that I like movies? I just like theaters. : )

On a more serious note: Bowhunter: What does race have to do with the Wal-Mart issue? You state: "If we were stopping some black guy from opening a store at 6th&Wak, people would be complaining about 'his civil rights, blah, blah'..." Some black guy? Are you trying to say that Wal-Mart is owned by just some white guy, and that is why it is being contested? Hardly. It is owned by many stockholders, which I am very confident includes people of all colors, including more than one "black guy." Do you really define civil rights as merely "blah, blah." Your statement is ugly at best, and smacks of racism.

GreenEyedBlues 9 years, 4 months ago

M_S Canada, Why do you feel personally insulted by the merchandise that a local store offers? That just completely escapes me.

"My local grocery store sells condoms, and I'm shocked that they promote contraception and assume that my neighbors and I are lustful fornicators!"

Richard Heckler 9 years, 4 months ago

The more Wal-Marts the least amount of choices. Do you want Wal-Mart to own everything you own? Sounds like they may extend credit to those who are denied elsewhere. Some kinds of credit will require collateral like say a home. When the low income client cannot meet payments Wal-Mart will own their home. Is Wal-Mart kind and gentle or is Wal- Mart a vulture?

ms_canada 9 years, 4 months ago

GReen eyes - let me explain, if I can. Where the WM is located in my city is in an area of, well, let's say working poor people. So WM puts up this ghastly looking factory type building. No style, just plain ugly. And the merchandice that they stock is really trashy looking. It is as if they are saying, "These poor people can't afford nice looking things, so we'll just give them this junk" Now then, I have seen this happen once before in this area of town. A big box store went up and stocked crappy looking stuff and people felt insulted and did not shop there. They went out of business. Just because a family has not much money does not mean they will buy any old junk. I went looking for something nice and never found it, so quit shopping there and I guess others felt the same way. I hope that is a little clearer. I should say, I don't buy expensive clothes etc. but I try to find the best I can for my buck. And I don't find it at WM.

Fangorn 9 years, 4 months ago

Build another Wal-Mart. Absolutely! Then maybe part of Lawrene will drive somewhere else beside my neighborhood to go shopping. Sometimes the traffic can be horrible. There have been days when half my commute time to work was just in getting three blocks from where I live.

satchel 8 years, 9 months ago

We desperately need a super wal-mart.. More than one, for all the middle income people like me who have more than 1.5 children and save tons of money doing my grocery shopping at Wal-mart. The regular wal-mart in lawrence is scummy, but since they are turning it in to a super wa.-mart it has gotten a little better. I have to drive to the Walmart in Shawnee for my food. My boys eat us out of house and home, and if I went to Hy-vee or Dillons my bill would double.

unitychild 8 years, 8 months ago

I used to feel the same way about Hy-Vee and Dillons, but then I started playing the Grocery Game at http://www.graocerygame.com. I used to shop at Walmart, but now I shop at Dillons because they double coupons and I spend about $200 a month for food and all paper products for a family of 5 and we eat WELL!! lol

Steph

unitychild 8 years, 8 months ago

I used to feel the same way about Hy-Vee and Dillons, but then I started playing the Grocery Game at http://www.grocerygame.com. I used to shop at Walmart, but now I shop at Dillons because they double coupons and I spend about $200 a month for food and all paper products for a family of 5 and we eat WELL!! lol

Steph

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