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What Olympic events did you watch?

Asked at Hy-Vee, 3504 Clinton Parkway on August 30, 2004

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Photo of Andy Heinicke

“I’ve been watching the gymnastics events because the U.S. has excelled this year. I have been amused watching the basketball team falter.”

Photo of Mary Wilson

“The swimming and the volleyball, that’s about it.”

Photo of Amy Paslay

“I watched the gymnastics, swimming and a little bit of track. I am really impressed by what swimmer Michael Phelps did.”

Photo of Ted Jester

“Pretty much gymnastics. I try to watch a little bit of everything, but it is the beach volleyball that has really gotten my attention.”

Comments

jonas_opines 9 years, 7 months ago

Well, here I am, with two logons. La dee dee.

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Savage 9 years, 7 months ago

Ok.. a little more like the usual fare today.

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jonas 9 years, 7 months ago

So tell me, Hi Jinks, how do you really feel about it?

Can't agree with you more, I'd rather watch ticks race across my arm than watch a quarter of an NBA game. And the thought that rooting against the team makes us unpatriotic is laughable. If my own dad was drunk, arrogant and aggresive, I'd root for him to get his !@# kicked once, to knock some sense into him. It wouldn't make me anti-dad.

I have to agree with PBJ's initial point: the sampling should have more variety than Mass st. There is a great variety on Mass, but during the day the only folk likely to sit still long enough to get interviewed are the ones just hangin on a porch or curb, and are likely to be more anti-establishment than the run of the mill. At least that's my totally unscientific theory.

Of course, he then launched into another one of those left-michaelmoore-liberalbias-freakshow paranoid diatribes, and blew the advantage that he had. Ce la vi.

But wow, a flame war about something other than the election! How novel!

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The_Original_Bob 9 years, 7 months ago

I never said anything about countries, I was talking about leagues. Argentina does not have a top tier professional league, thus they weren't mentioned as having one. I agree with the rest of your points. Basically, the rest of the world figured out how to play basketball while we were figuring out how to sell more crap.

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Hi_Jinks 9 years, 7 months ago

Plato, If you read my very first comment made at 2:25pm, you'll see that I mentioned that the great international players come from all over the world!! Europe, South America and even places like China! My geography is fine! My point at that time and in a subsequent post, is that the "Team America" ain't what it used to be,and never will be!--The glory days of "supreme and utter dominance" have slipped away (For good?), I'm afraid. And my disdain for these spoiled American athletes,or should I say "gangsta-letes" is warranted! I'm tired of seeing these guys dribble, pass, dribble some more, pass, dribble between the legs, shoot from 20 some odd feet--miss! Get the rebound, then go up for a layup, miss! But draw a foul! And then miss at least one free throw, but more likely two free throws. And then, ultimately the final score ends up New York Knicks 69 Miami Heat 64. You know, I'm old enough to remember the NBA of the 70's, let alone the NBA of the 80's and 90's. I don't know how old you are Plato. I'll tell you one thing, there was a time when 69-64 was a typical half-time score in an NBA game of the 70's and 80's.--Not a final score! I've seen enough NBA games in recent years, having lived in Denver for a while, where people were falling asleep in their chairs! And the fact that the Denver Nuggets sucked so bad at the time was only 50% of the reason for people nodding off!The other 50% of the reason was the "style" of the game throughout the 90's had "evolved" or should I say "devolved" into a bunch of "playground hoopsta's" struttin' their stuff, showin' off their fancy footwork, and turning people/fans off with their abundant fouls, poor shooting, poor foul shooting, and me-first style of play! I admit that I got a perverse satisfaction out of watching the US team win a bronze medal! This current crop of NBA "talent"---and that includes the NBA "talent" that chose to stay home---didn't deserve any better! Who knows?? Maybe in 2008, the US men's team won't even earn a medal!! WOW!! HUH?! What a thought!! What an absolute nightmare for the likes of "Mr. ru4ku2" and his ilk. P.S. You all want to see really good basketball the way it is supposed to be played---in evry conceivable way, that is??!! Watch the womens' college basketball,especially the UCONN womens' program! Now, there you go!Good shooting, good gaurding, good hustle, good lay-up ability, good sportsmanship (Or perhaps I should say sports"woman"ship!!) and most importantly,GOOD TEAMWORK/EFFORT! I'm serious! Anybody out there who doesn't follow womens' COLLEGE hoops, should!! And don't tell me that I don't know what I am taliking about!! OKAY?? Spare me your smack!! Over the last 10 years or so womens' college hoops have "evovled" at the exact same time and way that mens' PRO hoops has "devolved"! It's shocking---but true!! I never thought that I'd live long enought to say that I enjoy womens' college hoops better than mens' pro hoops---but I do!! You go, Girl!!

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Plato 9 years, 7 months ago

Let's get a few things straight about the Men's Olympic Basketball Tournament:

  1. The U.S. didn't "lose" the gold medal; Argentina "won" the gold medal. There is a difference.

  2. Argentina is in SOUTH AMERICA, not Europe. Those of you who keep mentioning how good the European teams were in the tournament need to check your maps. By the way, Puerto Rico, another winner over the US, is in the Caribbean.

  3. The players on the various national teams that competed in the Olympics play on various club teams throughout the world. They have not "played together for years". Just like the US, they are selected and come together before an important tournament.

  4. With the exception of USA basketball, all of the other players were honored to have been selected to play in the Olympics. For them it is unfathomable to have said "no" to a national team call up. Are you reading this Shaq, et.al.???

  5. The NBA didn't fare too badly with Argentina winning the gold: One IS in the NBA; two players HAVE BEEN in the NBA; and three players have RECENTLY SIGNED to play in the NBA.

  6. If you want to know the attitude that will win a gold medal in basketball, replay the post-gold medal comments by Manu Ginobili. He said, "we don't get paid to play here. we're not playing for ourselves, we're playing for our country."

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PB_and_J 9 years, 7 months ago

Carmenilla, do you know how silly you sound??!!! We are all made up of a different race!! Black, White, Brown, Red, et al. So what's your point?? What? You are a minority---so you can't be blamed/accused for making bad/tasteless remarks about another minority group?? What are you, "immune" to being racist or bigoted person?? Boy! I wish I were you!!! Heck! You're perfect!!! You ain't no mean-spirited white male!! Hell, no!! You're a, what? Hispanic female or something? You're not capable of any impure thoughts or notions!! Well....good for you, Carmenilla!!! Good for you!!! Aren't you so special!!! Now go pat yourself on the head!!!--And give yourself a great, big chocolate-chip cookie, too!!! You deserve it!!

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Hi_Jinks 9 years, 7 months ago

Hey, ku....you made my point on one issue....Carmelo Anthony...if his head was screwed on straight, he would have played more. So, Larry was basically short one player--because of that players attitiude! Boy, that really helps our cause, huh??!!---And his, "me-first/selfish" attitude is an attitude that is shared by many in the NBA! And you know it's true!! You now have more and more kids coming out of high school---18 year old boys--playing pro ball!! A man's game being overrun by little "BowWow's"

Thank you for helping me make my point though!

Yeah, and you know what else? Shaq can't make a free throw to save his own life--or a basket that is further than 10 feet away from him!! And don't tell me that things such as tattoos aren't indicative of today's players and their "hoop style", either!! My other point was that the '92 players are long gone!!--And they took with them an entirely different game!!! There are no more Birds, Johnsons, Jordans, Kareems, Moses Malones, etc. etc. Today's ballplayers are striaght out of Yo! MTV Raps! Yo! Spree! Word, my brother! Love that Escalade you got, homie!!

European players have good/great fundamentals! They play good game, and we (the US) aren't quite the "Kings OF The Hill" that we once were in "roundball"!! Know what I mean??

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The_Original_Bob 9 years, 7 months ago

ru4ku2 - If you mean it shows my bias as in I can't stand NBA style basketball and it was asinine to put together an All-Star team to sell jerseys and tshirts instead of a team that didn't have the big names, but could play Team Basketball, then yes, I am biased. And don't give me this "they aren't making NBA$ doing this so they must be doing it for the love of their country" crap. Every single team member was reminded by their agents that this is a great way to market their name. AI not showing up to practive on time. Melo pouting like the spoiled 20 year old millionaire he is. Idiotic excuses after games in which the ball was lucky to be passed twice before a shot. Please, these guys treated the Olympics like it was just any other game in the NBA.

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ru4ku2 9 years, 7 months ago

You missed my point- whether they actually playt "year round" or not, they are still comfortable with their role on the team. They know what is required of them and what is required from everyone else. When you throw a bunch of all-stars from the NBA together, they don't know exactly what their role is. They may be used to being the key scorer for their perspective teams, but they may not be on the US Olympic Team.

Hi-Jinks- Having tattoes doesn't exactly make you a trash-talker of bad teammate. If you watched the team at all, you would know that those with attitude didn't get ANY playing time. (i.e. Carmello Anthony) He came in with a bad attitude and Larry Brown knew it was bad for the team, so he didn't put him in.

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"The rest of the world plays at a different speed, and a different level."-----HAHAHAHA!!! That is the dumbest thing I have heard. Another level??? Are you serious? If you take the U.SA's best players (I realize that this wasn't our best assembled team) and put them against ANYONE else, ANYONE, it would be a cake walk. Look what happened in 1992 with Jordan, Magic, Bird, (the best of the best) Are you telling me there are teams that could compete with Kobe, Shaq, Wallace, Kidd, Garnett, McGrady, Pierce, Bibby, Webber, etc.. There is no way.

However, in my opinion there will never be a team as good as the one assembled in 1992, but they would still be good enough to skunk the other countries.

Original Bob-

You saying, "I would agree with your comment on any sport but this edition of The Dream Team." shows your bias. Regardless of who is on the team, they are representing our country and deserve our support. They aren't making "NBA $" while they are playing for the U.S.A. I think that shows their attitude towards their country.

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Carmenilla 9 years, 7 months ago

Once again....it was sarcasm that was misconstrued. I'm not scared of black men or anyone of a different race BECAUSE I AM OF A DIFFERENT RACE!!!! Does that settle it for everyone now......

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sean_micheals 9 years, 7 months ago

Carmenilla, my name is Sean Micheals and I'm a black man. And, honey, if you and I ever met in person.....Well..Lets just say that I know you'd be scared of me and mine, that's for sure!! So long, sweet-thing!!

Sean

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Carmenilla 9 years, 7 months ago

First off...my sarcasm obviously flew over your head, lunacy. I'm not scared because you're a black man. I'm scared because you're a black man that is following a stereotypical discriminitory view of what people think downtown is like. That's what was scary. And PB_and_J, you make so many conflicting and downright silly statements that I can't really take you seriously. You ass-ume a lot about me and my views. Where did I ever say that a reporter should only stay on Mass. St.? Well, looking back at today's post.....I didn't. You seem hot to trot to bash "liberals" and "artsy" types. I really would relish a political question answered by people at Wal-Mart. It would be indicative of what the average American believes. But Downtown is still a place to find every walk of life. Its true....maybe if you weren't so busy staring down people who freak you out, you would notice the little old lady who gave a dollar to the busking sax player on 8th and Mass. But than you're eyes would have to be open.....Oh well.

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ultimate175 9 years, 7 months ago

Why do you keep yelling?

I'm not going to waste my time going back through previous questions. They sample at most 4 people out of hundreds along a 6 block stretch. I think I can get a better picture of the "variety of thought" on Mass. by spending time down there myself - which I do.

I'm assuming you're serious about your wife being a tarot card reader. Because if you're not, you just took a shot at my wife, which is way out of line. Do you even know what a Pilates instructor is?

I don't consider my wife a great catch because she makes good money.

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PB_and_J 9 years, 7 months ago

Whatever!! My point is the same!! There is not nearly as much "variety of thought" on Mass. St. as you say "ultimate"!!! Just go back and look at past respondents---and do so CAREFULLY!! You'll see what I mean, if you're honest with your assesment.

P.S. Your wife is a pilates instructor?? How swell!

My wife is a tarot card reader.--And she makes good money doing so!

Aren't we both lucky, you and I??!! We both made a great catch!!

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Hi_Jinks 9 years, 7 months ago

I agree with you, Original Bob!!

First of all, ru4ku2, the previous Olympic Dream Teams have done okay for themselves without playing together year round!--Oh, sure, they may have played against each other in the NBA--but not "with each other"! Also, as Bob pointed out, many of the better European players (and South American players) play here in America!! They're not together "year round"!!

--Oh!! And let's not forget Yao Ming, either!!--The biggest thing to come out of China since Ying-Ying and Sing-Sing--the giant panda bears!!

The fact is, is that the Americans got beat because of the "American-style hip-hop, gangsta, tatooed, trash-talking, Snoop Dogg-like manner" that they (the Americans)insist on performing!! Also, the American version of basketball has become too painfully slow to watch as a viewer, and apparently, to difficult to execute successfully as a player!!!--These days, basketball seems to require a little too much talent and effort to actually make a basket from beyond 15 feet or so, or to simply make a free throw for many US ballplayers---or so it would seem, whenever I watch an NBA game!! The rest of the world plays at a different speed, and a different level.

So long MJ, Magic, Bird, Sir Charles...

Remember one thing....international basketball players don't come to play in the NBA to be like American players. They come here to make "NBA player-like money"!!!

Big difference!!

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ultimate175 9 years, 7 months ago

Your original point had nothing to do with "students" - in fact I don't even see the word student in your first post. I have no problem with the LJW going elsewhere to ask questions. My goal was simply to defend downtown against mindless stereotypes like yours.

Look at how you immediately categorized me into the anti-Bush, Michael Moore worshipping crowd based on your perceptions of downtown. I voted for Bush in 2000, and I'm voting for him again in 2004. Same goes for my wife - the Pilates instructor. By the way, she does that Pilates instruction in "your part of town" on the west side. Notice that neither one of us are students, and once again, there are countless, normal, non-student people who frequent downtown with great regularity. I speak from experience, not distant perceptions.

Finally, just because I spend a lot of time downtown doesn't mean I don't spend time elsewhere in Lawrence. You take an awful lot of liberties with your assumptions PBJ.

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The_Original_Bob 9 years, 7 months ago

"American didn't quit passing and playing team basketball."

Wow. Never seen anyone take this stand before. Did you actually watch the games? Marbury and AI dribbled in circles, rarely passed, and shot brick after brick.

"The teams that beat us play together year round and have for several years."

That's not true, but it seems if USA Hoops apologists say it enought, it might come true. They don't play together year round. Many of their top players play full seasons in the NBA or top tier Euro leagues. Makes it kind of tough to play year round for their respective countries. Now, they may have a more consistent roster from Int'l tourney to Int'l tourney, but they most assuredly do not play together year round.

"I view rooting for them to lose as being unpatriotic whether sport or not."

Couldn't disagree with you more. There is nothing sacred about the Olympics and there is definately nothing unpatriotic about rooting for a bunch of millionaire hoops players to lose. That team did not even stay in the Olympic Village with the rest of the American athletes. I would agree with your comment on any sport but this edition of The Dream Team.

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PB_and_J 9 years, 7 months ago

Geez!! You guys just don't get it, do you ultimate175/Carmenilla??

ultimate175/Carmenilla, take a minute to look back at all of the questions asked over the last 30 days.

See how many of the Mass. St. (pictured)respondents are students!! When you go to a place like a bookstore or some trendy clothes shop, that's what you'll find!! I looked back at all of the questions of the last 30 days, and I was struck by the sheer number of (pictured) student respondents!! Today, there were no (pictured) student respondents AT ALL!!! NONE!!! ZIP!!! ZILCH!!! You know why that is, ultimate175/Carmenilla??? Because somebody at the LJWorld DARED TO VENTURE OUTSIDE OF THE MASS. ST. AREA AND INTO OTHER PARTS OF LAWRENCE (SUBURBIA)!!! You know, up until today, I was under the impression that 75% of all Lawrence citizens were either high school students, college students, graduate students, or aspiring poets or novelists.---Based on the volume/break down of (pictured)respondents that there have been on this post in recent months. And we all know, that that is not the case here in Lawrence.---After all, just go beyond the Mass St. area, and you'll see for yourself!! What are you afraid of, ultimate175/Carmenilla?? Huh?? Are you guys afraid that if an LJWorld person went and stood outside of WalMart one sunny afternoon and asked a whole lot of "blue collar-types" a question about the conflict in Iraq, that those people wouldn't give the same type of reponses that the "Michael Moore-worshipping crowd" on Mass. St. would probably give??!! Yeah, that's it!! The Mass St. area is a safe haven for people who think like you two--and you guys know it!! All of those negative Mass. St. responses about Bush/Cheney really brings a smile to your faces each and every day!! Doesn't it? I'm sure it does!!! Carmenilla, I bet that if you two were calling the shots at the LJWorld, there would be a young LJWorld reporter walking up and down Mass. St. FROM 9 TILL 5PM, EACH AND EVERY DAY!! GOING FROM BOOKSTORE TO BOOKSTORE, COFFEE SHOP TO COFFEE SHOP, TRENDY CLOTHING STORE TO TRENDY CLOTHING STORE asking the same contrived Bush-bashing questions!!! You know the type of " contrived questions" I mean, don't you, ultimate175/Carmenilla?

Questions like: If the Bush Administration decided to take military action against terrorist supporting Iran, and THOUSANDS of US soldiers died in the process, would this be acceptable to you? --You know, those types of contrived anti-Bush questions!!

What's more, is that under direct orders from you, Carmenilla, that reporter would NEVER be allowed to go beyond Mass. St. to see what people in other parts of Lawrence think and feel about Bush or what have you!!

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ultimate175 9 years, 7 months ago

Lunacy and PB and J - come on now. Lunacy already admitted he never ventures down there. How often are you there PBJ?

I'm downtown almost everyday, and there are far more "normal", "mainstream", "safe" people down there than not. The "freaks" are noticed more because they usually stand out visually. You walk by countless run-of-the-mill Mary and John all-Americans and don't even realize it - because they look how you think people should look. Carmenilla is right - normal people are all over downtown.

As for the Pilates instructor. I happen to know she's decidedly pro-Bush - and also downtown almost everyday.

In my opinion, there is nowhere in Lawrence that is more representative of the community as a whole than downtown. There are slices of the whole city down there constantly. Not so in other areas.

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lunacydetector 9 years, 7 months ago

i never venture downtown because i have felt at times, ill at ease with the "clientele" on the streets.

i don't think a large cross section of the lawrence populace goes downtown. in fact, i know quite a few people who never go down there for anything. too many minuses versus positives. too many "weird" looking/acting people, and i must say PB & J hit the nail on the head.

i am open minded to all walks of life. however, carmenilla, when one group likes to congregate downtown, perhaps more of your kind, and those folks make me feel ill at ease - i am sure it is like you feel about being around a black man.

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sunny 9 years, 7 months ago

Ya...I even saw a guy Friday evening, with a big thick chain around his neck. He was 'leading himself' up and down Mass.

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Carmenilla 9 years, 7 months ago

Funny, I've noticed that when they go downtown to question folks, there are a plethora of people to choose from. Some aren't even hippy artists. Can you believe it? I would go so far as to say that you could find every and any kind of person downtown on any given day. Not everyone downtown is a liberal artsy "freaker". There are lots of suburban soccor moms, suited business-types, and retired peeps who frequent the Mass St. area.

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ru4ku2 9 years, 7 months ago

American didn't quit passing and playing team basketball. The teams that beat us play together year round and have for several years. Its almost impossible to get 12 guys from different teams and ask them to function like a team that has been together for years.

I have no problem that competition has gotten better. It certainly makes for entertaining basketball. But to actually be amused by their losing is wrong. Basketball or not, they are still representing our country- I view rooting for them to lose as being unpatriotic whether sport or not.

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sunny 9 years, 7 months ago

I haven't watched any of the olympics. I've been busy cleaning up water in my basement!

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The_Original_Bob 9 years, 7 months ago

Carmenilla - You are scared because lunacy is a black man? I didn't know all black people had to have the same opinions about things.

Watched very little. Swimming, mt biking, and marathon.

The bigger issue raised earlier... How does rooting against men's hoops make one unpatriotic? It's freaking basketball.

About time the rest of the world caught up with us in basketball. Makes for more interesting and exciting games. Quite fun watching teams that know how to pass, shoot, play Team Defense, you know.... things Americans quite practicing 10 years ago.

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PB_and_J 9 years, 7 months ago

For a moment there, I thought that I was the only one who noticed that the "question of the day" was being asked outside of the Mass. St. area, but I guess I wasn't. Thanks for pointing that out Lunacy!! And for what it's worth, Carmenilla... Regardless of your observation(s) about the "Hy-Vee area", Lunacy's MAIN POINT is still very well-made--and is still very much intact, thank you very much!! The LJworld SHOULD be going all around the city of Lawrence when it asks the questions that it does in order to get a far more "well-rounded, more accurate, well-balanced" picture of what Lawrence citizens think about what is going on in the world. Did you notice what these "white, middle class people" as you say, do for a living?? Homemaker, real estate agent, assistant manager....so very different from the Mass St. people...which typically are "sculptors", "poets", "message therapists", "pilates instructors", etc. etc. More often than not, whenever Mass. St. individuals are asked about Bush or his policies, typically, the responses are decidedly negative in tone. Now how much of that has to do with being a "pilates instructor" or a "poet", I don't know.--Although I do have a few theories on that!--Anyway, if a poll-taker were to move away from the Mass St. area, and go off into suburbia....YES!! THAT'S RIGHT, CARMENILLA!! SHUDDER THE THOUGHT/WORD..."SUBURBIA"!!!!!...That interviewer/poll-taker might very well indeed find quite a few people who see things differently about the world in general than the folks down on Mass. St. It's all a matter of principle! To be fair when taking a poll...Start off with a fair question (that is fairly worded/phrased)and then go to the Mass St. area--and then move way from Mass. St. and then go about the town AT-LARGE in order to get a WIDE VARIETY OF OPINIONS from people of all different walks of life---and that includes "white, middle-class suburbanites"!!! And as far as the Olmpics goes...Well, at least there were no acts of terrorism!! Thankfully!!

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Carmenilla 9 years, 7 months ago

Okay, I'm scared now because I just read a post where lunacydetector says he's a black man. C'mon now, you're going to discriminate against people downtown and call them freaks? Aren't you over the whole discrimination thing? I sure am.....

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Carmenilla 9 years, 7 months ago

And by normal, you mean.....white and middle class? What constitutes as normal anyway? Hy-Vee is a store for white suburbanites. There's little or no diversity of any kind. In fact, when I go in there I may be the only minority in the whole place! And as far as the Olympics go, the women's beach volleyball kicked some serious butt!!!

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lunacydetector 9 years, 7 months ago

i must say, the folks who are being interviewed are definitely more normal looking than the ones interviewed downtown.

thanks ljworld for asking mainstream looking people some questions. it's nice you ventured out of the freakdom we call the downtown.

it's nice to see normal looking people for once.

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ru4ku2 9 years, 7 months ago

Andy Heinicke is an idiot. Why would you be amused by watching the basketball team falter? Are you not American? Regardless of whether or not you like the NBA and the attitudes that many players have, they still deserve our support because they went over there to represent our country when many other "marquee" players were not willing to. Its hypocrits like you that that piss true patriots off. Why root for one US team and not another?! You suck

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Wittmann 9 years, 7 months ago

hahah amy looks like a phantom or something nice job photographer. I enjoyed seeing Warriner dominate the 400M and the "dream team" getting whipped.

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