Advertisement

Previous   Next

What should be done to improve traffic flow in Lawrence?

Browse the archives

“All I think really needs to be done is have better traffic signals and a separate lane for bikes and motorcycles.”

“Mainly, I think it would make more sense if they didn’t tear up major roads all at once.”

“More lanes and fill up potholes. Potholes are the big thing.”

“We need to put in some highways, like Topeka.”

Comments

Defender 6 years, 2 months ago

"The SLT is not needed except by commuters who made their decision to commute."

You could not be more wrong, Jack. Sorry, but this is just crap that you made up, and is a completely bogus claim. I live near, and work in Lawrence, and I will be using it every single day vs 23rd St. That is a fact, which is completely different than your fallacy.

0

workinghard 6 years, 2 months ago

This is so funny. A 7yr old forum being kept alive. Great.

0

aginglady 6 years, 2 months ago

Last night I drove down Kasold north of Peterson for the first time since it was opened. TWO roundabouts? I had no idea.

I'm looking into creating a blog, and I can't find where to go.

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

Ah, how wonderful. Last night (approx. 9:45) I made it all the way down 23rd St. (Harper to Kasold) with only a brief 5 second stop at Iowa.

Now, if the lights can work that way in the late evening, why not during morning and afternoon rush hours?

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

misseve if we don't allow the bus system to fail we could expand it would be an option for you. What you have seen and what they purpose to do to it are not at all a good example of a properly function bus system.

Coach because we have made the car the only feasible option there are a lot of people who probably shouldn't be driving, either because of age, ability, or distractions but what options do they have? Let's work to give them a real working option.

0

Eric Neuteboom 6 years, 2 months ago

I know Jack, just irritates me that I'm stuck behind someone going 12 mph UNDER the limit in the left lane. No question highway rules don't apply here, but common sense should.

0

misseve 6 years, 2 months ago

Ok Jack you take the bus... Because it doesnt go to my place of employment. You are boring me now... Im going to bed so i can get ready for work tonight...

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Tell ya what, why not build a transporter so NONE of us have to drive on any of the roads we have here.

Have that, it is called a bus

Yes i called the wetlands stinky: i drive by them daily but what does that have to do with the rivers?

wetlands work like sponge that help clean the water before it goes to the river. We need more of them.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Coach that may be true on the highway but in town the left lane is many time used in order to prepare for a left turn. Many times I'm going the speed limit and people still fly around me. Part of the privilege of driving is following the rules. We have to many people choosing the speed up option in Lawrence especially in the morning and still not awake.

0

Eric Neuteboom 6 years, 2 months ago

To me, people just need to have a basic understanding of traffic patterns. For example, the guy who was in front of me this morning driving 33 mph in the left-hand lane of Clinton Pkwy. If people would just use highway logic on a lot of streets (i.e. slow = right, fast = left) it would improve flow. But no, some people just meander down the road, in whatever lane, going whatever speed. Pay attention to your surrounding, and if you're impeding traffic, either move over or speed up!

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Yeah almost as bad as the person in the two ton vehicle trying to text message as they pass you. We can dwell on the bicyclist but seriously, what is more dangerous and a consistent problem? At any stoplight in this town you can watch people clearly run red lights. I wish we had real driver training and real enforcement of traffic laws in this country. Also remember, it's a lot easier to play with the cell phone on the bus.

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

I don't like those cyclists either, peaches. They give us all a bad name.

0

Dixie Jones 6 years, 2 months ago

i dont mind if the biker is in the lane where they are required to be its the idoits who ride in the middle or decide to turn in from of you without looking i am speaking of .

0

misseve 6 years, 2 months ago

JackRipper (Anonymous) says:

Wow, you are upset with me because you don't have your life worked out and it is my fault? Stinky swamp? Yeah, let's not do anything to help our rivers, let's allow more crap to go right into the water ways

Dont kid yourself, im not upset with you i just think your "input" is a bit stupid... You yourself said take the turnpike and i said tell me how that will work. This isnt about how my life is, it is what it is and i deal but i DONT have to like the fact that the traffic flow here is beyond stupid. Tell ya what, why not build a transporter so NONE of us have to drive on any of the roads we have here.
Yes i called the wetlands stinky... i drive by them daily but what does that have to do with the rivers?

0

cool 6 years, 2 months ago

build more bike lanes within town and improve sidewalks with the same saved money STOP the SLT and spend those dollars elsewhere from the city contribution.

STOP the TIF for the Oread Inn, and STOP TDD financing for new developements. a level playing field is the only fair way to approve developements. not tax favors for 'new proposals'.

0

cool 6 years, 2 months ago

STOP the SLT and spend the same amount of money on 6th, 23rd, Iowa, and other streets removing 'suicide center lanes' and providing islands and turn lane channelization.

0

blue73harley 6 years, 2 months ago

Maybe the SLT is caught in some kind of time warp, too.

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

Peaches, that's an entirely different can of worms altogether. And, yes, you do owe them (us). You owe us a full four feet of clearance when you pass us. If you can't do that safely, you are obliged to wait until it is safe to pass. I'm sorry if that takes an additional 10 seconds.

I guess now I'm waiting for Jack's response about time... since he's obviously bothered that I would like to see the lights on 23rd be more efficient for traffic flow.

0

Dixie Jones 6 years, 2 months ago

yeah you can get diffrent things everytime you click on here, i think ljw needs to quit worrying about things they cant fix and fix their dang web site.. i for one i would like to see a biker lane to get the stupid A@@ bikers off the sides of the streets, it wouldnt be bad if they didnt think you owed them the entire lane. they need to use common sense .....oh wait never mind that dont exist with them.

0

Multidisciplinary 6 years, 2 months ago

And like now, I clicked on NEWS at the top of the page, and the OTS question on the feb 19th news page gave me this http://www2.ljworld.com/onthestreet/2005/mar/09/sci/

so it varies from page to page too.

0

Multidisciplinary 6 years, 2 months ago

Often as the paper changes over to the next day, OTS will revert to some old date. Usually it perhaps "completes the changeover cycle" and is correct by morning. Or something, I don't know.

0

militant 6 years, 2 months ago

I think if there were rumors of serial traffic snipers, traffic would keep moving.

0

been_there 6 years, 2 months ago

A little early April Fool's joke from LJW?

0

Multidisciplinary 6 years, 2 months ago

People: please note the date of this OTS 2001/jun/21

How did this get on here for Feb 18th 2008?

0

jonas 6 years, 2 months ago

"And as to why I live in Lawrence, I didn't realize I needed to defend that."

Not until you start demanding (or expecting) other people to change their behavior rather than yourself. At that point, I think its fair we ask you to defend yourself.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow, you are upset with me because you don't have your life worked out and it is my fault? Stinky swamp? Yeah, let's not do anything to help our rivers, let's allow more crap to go right into the water ways.

0

misseve 6 years, 2 months ago

For heavens sake, if everyone moved to save a drive then people would be moving all the time... .The question IS what can be done to improve traffic flow... EITHER way for me i have the job of crossing town more than once a day. getting the traffic signals in sync would be a nice start. I have been in KC, hell i have even commuted there and frankly don't mind the traffic persa. I don't get stuck at traffic lights that at times don't even work... Tell you what genius, why don't you bus my kids around so i can just leave my house hop on 31st then K10 and not have to really worry about the traffic??? It seems all you do is have a bunch of hot air but no reasonable solutions for those of us who live in reality. As to the SLT i don't see that as a solution either, maybe get rid of that stinky swamp but other than that it will not fix all that ails us.

0

been_there 6 years, 2 months ago

JackRipper--ok, no thinking. How about a traffic signal at I believe it is 27th and Haskell, it's hard to pull out onto Haskell, and some of those Westar drivers will take the right of way whether they have it or not. A right hand turn lane going north at 19th and Iowa by the fire station would help. I hate getting stuck there behind a semi. It takes them forever to be able to get going with the hill. A double turn lane at 15th and Iowa turning onto Bob Billings street, and why didn't they put in a right hand turn lane at 19th and Haskell going east when they had the intersection redone a few years ago? A traffic light at 31st and Louisianna, I think the highway dept has some say so in that. I stay off of 23rd as much as possible so I have no suggestions there, but a turn lane down 19th between Iowa and Ousdahl. Always see traffic backed up from people trying to make a left hand turn. It is hard to make a left hand turn onto Tennessee off of 6th. I usually go up a block then come back to Tennessee. How about the rest of you that travel on 6th?

0

BigPrune 6 years, 2 months ago

Informed, my attempt at humor. The roads out west aren't congested because of the SLT.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Are you talking about k10 on the west side of town? If so I don't see what the problem is. If not it sounds like life. You have to do what you have to do. Solutions might be moving closer to your grandma, having someone else watch them, etc. but there could be a lot worse things to deal with. Just think, you could live in KC and have to take more time on bigger roads and put your life at risk doing it.

0

misseve 6 years, 2 months ago

Typically i dont resort to posting off topic, but Jack you are a moron... I was hardly kidding nor are the others who post on here. You have to admit the traffic signals are far from efficient from one part of town to the other. I wouldnt complain if i had no children to transport and have stay with grandma while i work because i live less than 5 minutes from K10. My mother lives off 6th and Kasold so i have to go from K10 to Kasold to get my children then back to my side of town all this is at 7am... Now genius, tell me how taking the turnpike would be helpful?

0

grimpeur 6 years, 2 months ago

Develop a truly regional transit system that recognizes that people need to travel between cities in the I-70 and K-10 corridors and environs--from Topeka to Independence (heck, St. Joe) and from Gardner to Leavenworth--and to local destinations at the termini. This will also require recognizing that we cannot afford the current personal auto-funding scheme. Rail, buses and carpools must be given higher priorities in future KDOT and municipal budgets. New rail will have to be built to give working commuters their deserved priority over freight.

More lanes? You want more traffic? You got it!

SLT? 23rd St.? Most 23rd St. traffic is going to/from 23rd St. or KU. There would of course be a measurable shift in traffic to the SLT, but little improvement in traffic flow on 23rd. St.

The only way to improve traffic flow in Lawrence is to reduce the number of cars on the road. This requires that governments provide alternatives here and in the cities which serve as the origins and destinations of that traffic; remove the incentives that encourage people to drive; and provide incentives to make smart choices about carpooling.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Oh no been_there, let's not start thinking about thinking things through. There are larger fortunes to be made and we have to base our decisions around the lands they want to develop.

0

been_there 6 years, 2 months ago

Makes one wonder why they keep building west if most commuters work east?

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Surely misseve you are only kidding. Why should there be? Hey like I said before there is a better way for you to get to Wakarusa and it is called the turnpike. That's what it is built for. No stop lights, crowded streets, just lots of high speed cell phone users who sometimes think about driving. If you aren't familiar with it there are two west exits and the furthest will take you to the less developed side of west Lawrence but don't expect that way to last long either since we haven't put it together yet that sprawling on the west side of town when you work in KC isn't something that will win you any brightness awards. You all sure made a lot of developers wealthy though.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

That's the problem, there are no roundabouts on 23rd but sure would be a nice place for them. When they time those lights will it be for your vehicle? If everybody is going through at the same time perhaps a bus would be more efficient. You don't have defend living here but you shouldn't expect all of us to build multi million dollar roads that will only encourage more bad decisions by KC commuters. If you don't like the stop lights or 23rd street buying a house on the east side would make more sense now wouldn't it? That is if commuting is therapeutic or something and a requirement for some people.

0

misseve 6 years, 2 months ago

Traffic on 23rd St is a mess. With people trying to avoid it , now 31st and 27th are just as bad. There needs to be a better way to get from K10 to Wakarusa.

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

Well, Jack, where exactly is the roundabout on 23rd St.? Where would this mayhem occur?? All the tree huggers in this town are always complaining about reducing emssions and stuff like that. If the stoplights in this town were timed, a person could make it all the way down 23rd without stopping at every light.

And as to why I live in Lawrence, I didn't realize I needed to defend that.

0

been_there 6 years, 2 months ago

Merrill--so what about apartment buildings and condos? I have noticed a huge increase in apartment, duplex, and condo building going on especially out west and yet I see for rent signs all over town. There doesn't seem to be a rental shortage, in fact quite the opposite, but we keep building. So do they pay for themselves as far as services when we don't seem to really need them?

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

But Informed you said you didn't like sitting at stop lights. Do you want mayhem at the intersections?

0

Richard Heckler 6 years, 2 months ago

More roads bring financial stress:

"If residential growth paid for itself and was financially positive, we would not be in a budget crunch." "But with increased numbers of houses you have increased demand on services, and historically the funding of revenues generated by single-family housing does not pay for the services, they require from a municipality."

0

Richard Heckler 6 years, 2 months ago

Eliminate the number of cars during the two rush hours 7AM - 6:30PM: Ride the bike = dollars and sense Walk = dollars and sense Ride the T = dollars and sense Catch the K-10 connector = dollars and sense Move closer to the job = very very smart Put 4-5 people per car = helps some Realize life could be worse = far less stress

New roads bring more cars = more roads that bring more cars= increased taxes = congestion never goes away = makes no dollars and sense

Requires 10's of millions upon 10's of millions upon 10's millions upon 10's of millions to provide for car traffic yet still car traffic is never happy

$200 million for a bypass that brings more cars = makes no dollars and sense

Wherever roads go so go Lawrence homebuilders( keeps taxes high) = more and more cars = makes no dollars and sense

0

cdc 6 years, 2 months ago

Things to improve traffic flow:

  1. Don't drive. It's cheaper! It saves money! It's healthier for you!

  2. Live close to where you work.

  3. What kneejerkreaction said:

"Go live in a city with real traffic problems and come back. You won't have any traffic problems in Lawrence anymore."

0

mr_economy 6 years, 2 months ago

Fill in the damned potholes. The ones I've seen this past week are large enough to be potentially damaging to any vehicle unfortunate enough to roll over them, and potentially deadly to any two-wheeled vehicles. The obvious solution is to avoid them, but that's not exactly possible during rush hour bumper-to-bumper traffic or at night on poorly-lit streets (which is most of Lawrence).

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

gccs14r the trolley tracks are still under there too, at least where the street is exposed you can see them.

An other idea for high speed commuters, how about taking the turnpike? 435 goes to it and there is a west Lawrence and a west west Lawrence exit. The roads already exist but it never seem to be enough and that is what will happen with the SLT. After it is built the next round of new roads will be demanded.

0

kneejerkreaction 6 years, 2 months ago

Lawrence has traffic problems? The cure? Go live in a city with real traffic problems and come back. You won't have any traffic problems in Lawrence anymore.

0

jonas 6 years, 2 months ago

Informed: I think the point was, more, why are you living in Lawrence? There's plenty of housing available in Lenexa and Olathe, should you not wish to commute.

More practically, you could take 31st, 27th, or 19th street and see a profound difference in your traffic difficulties.

Personally, I think the SLT would almost be rendered moot by the addition of two stop lights, one at 31st and Haskell favoring Haskell, and one at 31st and Louisiana favoring 31st.

0

gccs14r 6 years, 2 months ago

Put the trolley tracks back in and expand the system to cover every half mile. Run them on a varying-density schedule, with more frequent service during the morning and evening rushes and lunchtime, with less-frequent service during evenings and weekends. Run the system 24/7 so that people know they can get home from a trip out. Allow transfers at any intersection point so it doesn't take two hours to get from Free State to Haskell.

0

deskboy04 6 years, 2 months ago

Build the trafficway. It will reduce congestion. Until it is built, the traffic on 23rd Street will continue to be heavy.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Then you make that trade off and should have been aware of the situation before taking action. The SLT is not needed except by commuters who made their decision to commute. Society doesn't owe it to people who chose to make those decisions.

Not trying to get rid of you but if work life is so good over there, why don't you move over there? The costs now days are about the same plus you wouldn't have the drive as far. The better jobs have always been over there, that isn't something new.

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

Well, JackRipper, when Lawrence starts having decent jobs, then I will consider working in Lawrence again. Until then, I'll continue to commute to Lenexa for a job that pays me considerably more than I was making in Lawrence. My income is more than double what I was making in a tech job in Lawrence. Even with the additional expenses I have while commuting (gas, wear & tear on my vehicle, etc.) my disposable income is substantially higher than it was while working in Lawrence.

I laughed today when I saw an ad for a post-doc researcher at KU. $33,000-36,000? For a post-doc? What a joke.

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

KU students? How about all the parents delivering their kids to the schools in the morning? I'll take KU students any day over those!

0

ksdivakat 6 years, 2 months ago

There are 2 kinds of drivers in this town, those who can and those who cant. I suggest, take the ku students, give them their own roadway, OR, make them take a ks driving test before they can get on the road!!

0

JackRipper 6 years, 2 months ago

Helping people who live on the west side of town to sell their houses and move to KC and closer to their jobs. If the stop lights on Harper and Kasold are a waste of time and energy what exactly is a commute of 30-60 minutes?

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

I disagree about the SLT, BigPrune. I wish I could avoid 23rd St. every afternoon as I come back into town. Stopping at every (or almost every) traffic light between Harper and Kasold is ridiculous. It's a waste of time and energy. Good thing I don't have blood pressure problems!

0

DonQuipunch 6 years, 2 months ago

Incidentally, "separate lanes for motorcycles?"

What?

0

been_there 6 years, 2 months ago

Turn lane with maybe a turn signal at 9th and Tennesee for west bound traffic.

0

BigPrune 6 years, 2 months ago

The SLT will not remove congestion anywhere. Just ask the people who live in west Lawrence, where the major streets have very little if any congestion, namely Clinton Parkway west of Kasold and Wakarusa.

0

The_Original_Bob 6 years, 2 months ago

Well, for one thing people should quit messing with the space-time continuum. Twice in one day?

0

Stain 6 years, 2 months ago

What would it take to get the city to repaint the white stripes on 6th Street? They are nearly invisible. In the dark and the rain they are invisible.

They city does not care about traffic or it would not have put a Wal-Mart across from a high school.

0

Dont_Feed_The_Bears 6 years, 2 months ago

Get rid of the pothole producing empTy bus system and put that poorly spent cash into the SLT.

0

Norma Jeane Baker 6 years, 2 months ago

Finish the $%^&*#@#@! SLT.

'nuff said!

0

Commenting has been disabled for this item.