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Letter to the editor: More guns needed

March 16, 2018

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To the editor:

I am a 99-year-old. At no time in my life has there not been a rifle or shotgun in my home. I have used many types of guns from a .22-caliber rifle to a 16-inch battleship turret gun. With all of the so called “common sense dictating sensible” gun laws, I recently joined the NRA. It is time for the gun law people to quit acting like they know what they are talking about.

It’s when men have guns quickly available that attackers are quickly stopped. The answer to the problem is:

1) Provide sufficiently qualified people with guns throughout the school.

2) Control school entry.

3) Adequately provide armed personnel for the school perimeter, playgrounds, etc.

This is what we do in many government and private buildings.


Comments

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

Just yesterday you were saying that nobody was saying 'more guns is the answer'. Now today that is sage wisdom to you?

Were you lying yesterday or today?

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

Dan i generally resist responding to you because I view you as a troll and because I find it creepy how you stalk me. However, I can’t resist when you throw me softballs to point out your lack of honesty.

Here is the full quote of what I wrote, “Not true. Few argue for more guns except in the sense of providing armed security to protect school children”

Note I made an exception for providing armed security for schools.

Now read what Mr. Muirhead wrote. He list 3 answers to provide security for school children. He only calls for more guns in protecting school children which matches what I wrote exactly.

I am not always right, but I try to add constructively to the conversation most of the time. I’ve yet to see you add constructively or actually dispute what I say with facts. You resort to your gun nut label and whatever the talking point of the day is.

Enjoy the attention I’ve paid to you today. It may be all you get for awhile unless you pitch me another irresistible softball.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

You must live in a state of perpetual underwear in a twist. I've never seen anyone bemoan their treatment so much as if it's relevant in the slightest.

That victim complex seems to extend to your gun policies as well. Poor oppressed Brocky.

You got caught changing your position; own it for once instead of throwing a wall of logical fallacies per usual.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

Prove it. Show me how my true quote doesn’t match what was written in the LTE.

And of course you resorted to name calling just as I predicted.

Look forward to you proving your point. Do it and I will own it but you can’t. Just saying I changed my position doesn’t make it so. Show how what I wrote is different than what the letter stated - armed protection of schools.

Guarantee you will say something stupid like I don’t need to prove it. Just proves you have nothing as you’d jump at the chance to prove me wrong.

Done with you for today, but carryon my little fan.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

You proved it yourself, Brocky.

That's what makes it so hilarious.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months, 1 week ago

Who are we warring against that we need all that firepower? You'll probably miss an injure or kill innocent bystanders.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

I'm sorry that the peaceful exercise of my Constitutional Rights makes you afraid. Oh, wait, I'm not sorry at all.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months, 1 week ago

You did not answer my question. Come on Bob, tell us who we are warring against that it requires us to have so many weapons?

Bob Summers 2 months, 1 week ago

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Bob Summers 2 months, 1 week ago

Lacking in a sense of humor is an another symptom.

Glen Stovall 2 months, 1 week ago

Ah---the desperate proslelytization from the Church of the Second Amendment and White National Fellowship continues---except no one is joining. No one is even answering the door.

Paul Youk 2 months, 1 week ago

"I am a 99-year-old."

"I recently joined the NRA."

A few million teens joining the side of taking reasonable steps towards establishing the well-regulated part of the 2nd amendment vs. a cranky near centenarian being the NRAs new blood--this bodes well for better gun laws in the future. 2nd amendment becomes complete when well-regulated happens, as founders intended.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

I see examples of this on LJW everyday. "...1) Libsplaining: For every guy out there mansplaining, there are probably 500 liberals libsplaining what some conservative supposedly REALLY MEANT at exactly the same time. If you’re conservative, pretty much anything you say will be reinterpreted by liberals to mean something totally different. Against welfare because you think it encourages people not to work? You must hate black people. We need to cut wasteful government programs? You despise poor people. You weren’t in love with Trump, but really didn’t like Hillary, so you voted for him? You obviously want to turn America into Nazi Germany AND you hate women. None of this would be more than an annoyance except for the fact that liberals then take their completely nonsensical interpretation of what conservatives say and present it to the world as reality. This is how, for example, tens of millions of liberals who have probably never listened to Rush Limbaugh in their entire lives think he furiously spews lies and racist rants against the poor for three hours per day. Liberals seem to be practically incapable of taking common conservative beliefs at face value because that could lead them to intellectually engage in a debate about the best way to handle a problem, which could lead them away from liberal doctrine, which could….uh, YOU’RE A RACIST! THAT’S WHY..." https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/03/16/7-techniques-liberals-use-to-silence-conservatives-n2461494

Glen Stovall 2 months, 1 week ago

I'm so glad you are finally admitting things. Healing is now possible.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Beats me, I don't listen to the radio except for a couple of music channels on XM.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

We are at a crossroads and must decide if we want to ban guns or enact changes that do not include banning guns but will save lives.

To ban guns you must do the following: narrowly define those weapons you want to ban or repeal/amend the 2nd Amendment to allow for a broad ban and confiscation of the banned weapons. Confiscation has to be part of a ban otherwise the weapons are still out there.

Defining weapons narrow enough to pass constitutional muster is difficult and ineffective. CA and CT banned assault weapons but those bans are not effective because it is easy to modify weapons to comply.

Any attempt to repeal the 2nd Amendment will result in a long hard fight and people will continue to be murdered in the meantime.

There are solutions that are available to us that will have widespread support.

Properly fund and staff the background check database program. Include people being treated for mental illness that makes them a risk for violence or suicide.

Study the issue. We don’t need the CDC although it’d be nice, but philanthropies can fund it. Let’s get to the root causes of violence

Enact red flag laws that have due process to remove weapons from people who pose a risk to themselves or others.

We make sexual offenders register so let’s make violent offenders register and subject to frisks and searches. Caught with a weapon then life in prison.

Increase sentences for felons illegally possessing guns- 3 years is a joke.

Provide rehabilitation for prisoners. Let’s give them opportunities for success when they get out.

Launch PSA campaigns promoting safe gun handling and storage to prevent accidental shootings.

There is more but this is a start.

We have a choice - fight over weapon bans or work together on solutions.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

"We are at a crossroads and must decide if we want to ban guns or enact changes that do not include banning guns but will save lives."

What a beautiful example of a false choice. That's a nice break from your usual logical fallacies, but still just as invalid.

Greg Cooper 2 months, 1 week ago

Dan, I don't see the fallacy. And, before you go off on me, please read my posts on this very subject. Now, what do you see as the fallacy in Brock's statement? I assume, from your posts, that you would rather all private gun ownership be eradicated. I don;t see that at all. I do think there has to be a way to make people safer, to make it possible that we head off killings before they happen. I also think such can be done without violating Constitutional guarantees of the citizens.

Would it be so difficult to stop a minute and think about that? There's a lot of emotion involved in this issue that, in my opinion, makes it difficult to have a constructive conversation. Face it: the Second Amendment is not going away. So, the best we can do, I think, is to legislate within the Constitution but with an eye to the rest of the Constitution, i.e., not reducing the population's guarantee of pursuit of a fruitful life.

I'm not castigating anyone who expresses a real opinion, nor am I in favor of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Just, for once,, it would be cool if each of us would step away from the keyboard for a moment, search our consciences for something constructive to say, and then say it.

Paul Youk 2 months, 1 week ago

"Confiscation has to be part of a ban otherwise the weapons are still out there."

I respectfully disagree. There is no reason to infer that making gun ownership well-regulated would include aggressive action by authorities to root out 100% of guns by force.

A particular gun could be banned with a window of time for compliance. During that time, gun owners of said gun would be expected to turn over this gun to authorities (preferably being compensated for the market value of their weapon based on condition). After that window of time, the owner would be in violation of law. If in the normal course of events this fact is exposed, they'd lose their gun and face a penalty (probably just a stiff fine if they were 100% otherwise law-abiding, but possibly punitive if the gun was associated with other serious criminal or violent activity they were engaged in or related to). While these guns would never 100% be removed from the population, their numbers would decrease over time, and their overall availability to potential mass shooters would be greatly diminished.

The bigger reality at play is that the manufacturing of such guns would be stopped domestically, and you could no longer easily buy them at shops. Yes, a black market and some smuggling would exist, but the guns would be much harder to come by, and intrinsically carry a risk for would be shooters--even trying to get the gun would be breaking the law.

Would it prevent 100% of mass shootings? Probably not. But even if it just cut them in half, that would be a great thing in and of itself.

I do want to note that personally I'm only interested in bans on high capacity weapons that function similarly to military grade weapons. I don't have any issue with people owning guns to hunt, or for personal protection (though I'd argue the data shows that making enough $ to live in the right zip code is a better strategy, if your life opportunities permit it).

Bob Reinsch 2 months, 1 week ago

As gun ownership approaches infinity, gun deaths will approach zero. NRA Math.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

No, then we need to start arming the guns. Only when every gun has a gun that shots more guns instead of bullets will utopia be achieved.

Kendall Simmons 2 months, 1 week ago

I wonder if Mr. Muirhead is aware that:

1) there was an armed, trained law enforcement officer ON THE SCENE in Parkland...and he stopped NOTHNG.

2) There have been 3 accidental shooting incidents in schools since Parkland - accidental shootings by "SUFFICIENTLY TRAINED" individuals. Sure. One could argue it was not "sufficient training" in their cases. But how do you know until it's too late?

3) His "Adequately provide armed personnel for the school perimeter, playgrounds, etc." is an incredibly scary thought.

4) "It’s when men have guns quickly available that attackers are quickly stopped." Really? Since when? Or does Mr. Muirhead think "collateral damage" is OK in our schools?

5) It seems apparent that Mr. Muirhead really doesn't know a darned thing about today's NRA. They are in business nowadays solely to make money from the sale of guns and related equipment. Anything that reduces their money-making opportunities must be stopped.

I HAD been hoping that he'd finish by saying he joined the NRA to help make change from within. But no such luck. Fortunately he likely won't be a member for long.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

"....1) there was an armed, trained law enforcement officer ON THE SCENE in Parkland...and he stopped NOTHNG...." Citing the Broward coward as a reason why we should rely on the police to protect us is kinda dumb.

Mike Riner 2 months, 1 week ago

..."Fortunately he likely won't be a member for long." What an insensitive thing for you to say. I won't hold my breath, however, waiting to see your posted apology!

Paul Beyer 2 months, 1 week ago

Nothing insensitive about factual posts.

Richard Heckler 2 months, 1 week ago

NO one is asking that registered guns for hunting be taken away. THE NRA is merely misconstruing the situation. The NRA lies.

WE don't need to own assault weapons, military syle assault weapons, weapons that can accept magazines or SWAT team style weapons. The second amendment did not approve these weapons.

Politicians will say anything to shut americans up about guns when in reality are only waiting for this massive teen slaughter situation to run out of steam.

Review all new regulations and legislation as elected officials are notorious for providing loop holes.

Nothing will change.

This is why the loud voices for replacing all laws with a few new regulations need to stay active and loud.

Assault weapons must be taken off the retail market, the black market and not allowed in gun shows. Then make it a felony to own or sell one!!!!

Military and law enforcement weapons when retired MUST be melted down and perhaps brought back as picinic tables.

Arming teachers is shallow thinking. Security officers are acceptable HOWEVER they cannot stop an action if they don't when a shooting is going to take place or where it will take place

Regarding the gun issue. What is the true motivation is the question? I say it has little to with rights to own lethal assault weapons and more to do with a back door method of building right wing armed militias.

Law enforcement KNOWS damn well assault weapons and open carry places them and all of us in harms way to a greater extreme than ever before.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

Richard i truly believe you believe that no one is asking to ban hunting weapons but your belief comes from lack of knowledge on what weapons are used for hunting.

I have harped on the importance of defining what an assault weapon is because it is necessary to do it to prevent inadvertently banning hunting weapons or pistols or shotguns used for self defense.

We can’t have a reasonable discussion until we know what we are discussing. You will not be successful in banning any type of weapon as long as I and others believe it to be too far reaching. And if you define it narrowly it won’t be effective.

The solutions must be ones that focus on prevention and keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

I Googled Best Predator Hunting Rifle. Here is what one site lists as the best. Look at the picture and tell me you do not want to ban hunting rifles.

Now you may argue it shouldn’t be used for hunting but it is so you can’t honestly say we aren’t talking about banning hunting rifles.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

No, Brocky, you've harped on your gunsplaining because you want to derail the conversation...and it's all you have.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

How do you define "assault weapon", Richard? You've not clarified your position.

Gary Cauthon 2 months, 1 week ago

So more guns, more guns, and more guns. Also, you apparently can't be part of the conversation unless you've had extensive experience with many types of guns...

I can just imagine Wayne LaPierre off in the background making "CHA-CHING" noises as these ridiculous arguments are being presented.

Daniel Kennamore 2 months, 1 week ago

By their logic we can't have any regulations on meat until we've settled the 'is a hot-dog a sandwich' debate first.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

If you don't know what you are talking about, perhaps you shouldn't be recommending that scary-looking firearms should be banned.

Aaron McGrogor 2 months, 1 week ago

Do you know everything about this computer you're typing on? Could you take it apart and reassemble it? How about your car? How about your phone?

If you don't know EVERYTHING about these, do you refuse to talk about them?

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

I'm not demanding at Mac computers be banned, you spotty git.

Aaron McGrogor 2 months, 1 week ago

I asked if you refrained from talking about them, since you don't know everything about them. I did not ask if you were demanding they be banned.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 2 months, 1 week ago

Wow!! This one got a lot of feedback.

While I do not disagree with most of your letter I do have a comment. My father was an Army artillery officer in WWII. He participated in putting steel up Hitler's butt.

He had a number of weapons that he kept stored away from the family unless we went hunting or target shooting. His take on this was this.

As a military man, I do not reveal to anyone that I have weapons of any kind. Anyone who has ever been in the military knows that you do not reveal your means of defending yourself to anyone, friend or foe. The fact that an attacker does not know this is your first and best defense. Your letter reveals this and is most misguided in your zeal to promote your standing on this gun issue. Your attackers know you will be armed. They may be more so.

I chose to remain silent on this issue.

Bill Turner 2 months, 1 week ago

I am unsure how we can move past the romantic notion that carrying a gun will somehow allow us, as individual citizens, to rise up in super-hero fashion against an armed attacker. The ideas that owning a .44 will make us Dirty Harry, or that possessing an AR-15 will somehow stop a 21st century military from oppressing the citizens it is meant to protect are the fantasies of children.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Toting a 9mm won't make me cower outside a building when it's my job to protect the people inside that building.

Gary Stussie 2 months, 1 week ago

You thinking that the desire/need to protect one's self is fantasy ... I think total investment in others to provide you protection is naive.

I would think that the "Walking Dead" generation would be more sensitive of the need to defend themselves and their families!

I am not talking a Zombie Apocalypse. I am pointing out that the popular horror show demonstrates how quickly "civilization" fades, and how brutal people become, when they are fighting for their very survival!

There is a very significant difference between local/regional disasters and country/world-wide disaster. In the former, those adversely affected hang on fully expecting those unaffected to rush to their aid. Not so when everyone is potentially affected! Chaos develops very quickly.

Want to ruin your whole day? Do a little web search on "Pandemic". I attended a seminar on world-wide Pandemic sponsored by the CDC several years ago. They frankly state that "it is not IF a world-wide pandemic will happen, it is WHEN".

Obama's Administration seemed to take this pretty seriously, as they mandated that clauses be included in all government contracts dealing with expected performance during Pandemics.

The biggest pandemic on record was the 1918 Spanish influenza, which killed 50 million people at a time when the fastest way to travel the globe was by ship. In 2009 swine flu was the most recent pandemic that got public health officials concerned; first detected in April of that year in Mexico, it turned up in London within a week.

As I watch these young people march against guns, I wonder if they they realize that cities like Lawrence typically have only three days’ worth of food on hand! The old saying about "civilizations being just three or four meals away from anarchy" has been validated many times in recent history as a result of local or regional natural disasters?

Heck! The police will protect us ... right?

In the greater Los Angeles county, there are, between Federal, State, County and City agencies, about 25,000 law-enforcement sworn officers. In the same region, there are about 250,000+ known gang members, all operating within their own established chains of command with communication equipment, access to weapons, and organizational strength. In the event of a pandemic, it is estimated that by Day15 most law enforcement personnel would have abandon their posts and hole up in their homes to protect their own families. Gangs would run free robbing all the undefended civilians for food and supplies. Amazing how quickly "civilization" can dissipate.

Point being ... there can/may/will be times when the local/state and federal government cannot assure our protection. I am of the opinion that they should not stand in the way of us protecting ourselves.

Paul Beyer 2 months, 1 week ago

99 years old joining NRA is absolute proof of total senility and/or dementia. Definitely needs close monitoring to avoid harming self and others in close contact.

Mike Riner 2 months, 1 week ago

So because he doesn't subscribe to you way of thinking, he's demented? Paul, you are so predictable. Seek professional help, please!

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Paul goes directly to personal insults because he'd bereft of anything else.

Gary Stussie 2 months, 1 week ago

The Florida school shooting on Wednesday was a horrific massacre in which at least 17 people were murdered. in the years 2016 and 2017, at K-12 schools in America, of the 51 million students enrolled, there were seven children killed. That is seven human lives snuffed out, and the agony of the families who suffered the loss is incalculable.

Now young people are encouraged to march to ban guns ... you are being used!

Every year in the U.S., almost a half million people are injured or killed in traffic accidents attributed to the combination of texting and driving. With the latest statistics available as of 2018, in 2015, according to statistics compiled by the Department of Transportation, 3,477 people died and another 391,000 were injured in motor vehicle crashes caused by drivers who were distracted because they were texting or using cell phones.

You want to make a safer environment for yourself and your school friends? March to bring attention to the dangers of texting and driving!

Steve Hicks 2 months, 1 week ago

I doubt the current president knows, or understands, any of the arguments about technical capabilities of various firearms, but he obviously believes rapid firing is the best way to protect himself.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

None of the leftists on this site understand any of the arguments about technical capabilities of firearms.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Would you classify this firearm as an assault weapon? Is so, please explain your reasoning.

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

No, but this is a Military grade weapon.

We need to stop talking about guns and define 'different' guns. Here are a few I can think of:

Hunting

Personal protection

Sporting

Military

Etc.

Much like with cars you have different kinds with different uses.

Off Road

Street Legal

SUV

Sports Car

NASCAR

etc.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

What is the make and model and which military uses it?

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Did you just look and the picture and not read the rest ?

Link for you Brock. https://www.swggun.org/m4-vs-ar15/

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

There was no link or description of the gun in what you wrote.

So now tell me how you ban that weapon in an effective way? I say it can’t be done in a Constitutional way, or at least without banning thousands of other weapons used for hunting or self defense.

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Below is my post, please point out me saying we need to ban anything.

No, but this is a Military grade weapon.

We need to stop talking about guns and define 'different' guns. Here are a few I can think of:

Hunting

Personal protection

Sporting

Military

Etc.

Much like with cars you have different kinds with different uses.

Off Road

Street Legal

SUV

Sports Car

NASCAR

etc.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

You’re right. So what was the point of your post?

What is the purpose of labeling weapons by use if not to ban military grade ones

No point?

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

My point was define different guns and stop saying "ban all guns"

I'll be off working on the civilian version of a weapon used in a war, check back with you later.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

Okay I could be wrong but I get you want to stop saying ban all guns, but doesn’t that suggest you’re okay with banning some guns. I would have to assume that it is the military grade weapon you’re okay with banning?

If I’m mistaken then tell me. If I’m correct then I asked my previous question on how do you do it?

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Not sure how the government could regulate specific guns, but there are different types of guns with different intended uses.

My point was to talk about the different types of guns. Heck I own guns and would rather they not be banned.

Ban all guns is a bad rally cry, it scares the gun owners.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

I misunderstood so thanks for the clarification. Discussing and identifying different types of weapons is helpful.

Bob Summers 2 months, 1 week ago

The looks of this AR firearm is what scares the Liberal.

This is why they should be banned from owning them.

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Cool your jets Bob, I do not plan on ever owning one.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

How are you defining "military-grade", Cary?

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Was it used/made for military use.

How would you define it ?

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

It's sort of a meaningless term to me. Springfield 03s were made for military use. So were trapdoor Springfields. The government is about to start selling thousands of military surplus Garands to civilians. Is there a statue of limitations on your military-grade description? My Armalite AR was made for the civilian market. Does any direct-impingement rifle chambered for 5.56mm count as military grade even if the maker never sold any to the military? The camel's nose needs to stay outside the tent.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

There's a meaning term that I do use, "military surplus". If something was owned by the government and has now been sold into the civilian market, it is now military surplus. Not lost at all.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Bayonet lugs and flash hiders scare leftists.

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Not as much as running out of craft beer.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

As far as I know, the Democrats haven't tried to ban craft beer in the last 30 years.

Steve Hicks 2 months, 1 week ago

Interesting that a local bloviator says those who don't "...understand any of the arguments about technical capabilities of firearms" are "leftists"...including his own Dear Leader in his definition.

Steve Sharp 2 months, 1 week ago

Obviously age and wisdom don't necessarily go together. Basically he wants us to become Somalia, wow, what a vision.

Brock Masters 2 months, 1 week ago

Why do we protect elected officials, celebrities, the wealthy at public events, sports players at public events and on and on, but suggesting we protected our children while at school with armed security means he wants the US to be Somalia?

Your comment is illogical.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

I hope you get some help with your wandering womb problem, Steve.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Another chance missed in Florida. "..BREAKING: Deputy and counselors recommended institutionalizing Nikolas Cruz long before deadly massacre at Florida school..." https://twitter.com/AP/status/9754266...

Bob Summers 2 months, 1 week ago

yep.

You know, facts are racist in the congenital Liberal realm of thought.

Bob Summers 2 months, 1 week ago

Here's an oldy but factual pic.

Remember fans of Summers, facts to those under the influence of the DRD4 gene polymorphism, is "racist".

Facts are racist.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

In other news: "...To the editor: I am a retired Los Angeles police officer, a lifetime member of the National Rifle Assn. and the owner of several modern sporting rifles, sometimes called "assault rifles." I have a hard time understanding what "gun violence crisis" or "epidemic" we are supposedly experiencing in this country. ("The biggest outrage about America's gun violence is Congress' failure to do anything about it," editorial, March 13) The rate of gun violence is almost half of what it was in 1993. This has occurred during a time in which millions of law-abiding citizens have purchased guns — many of them "assault rifles" — and concealed carry limits have been relaxed all over the country. Even if you fulfilled every gun grabber's fantasy and went house to house confiscating every assault rifle in America, mass shootings would still occur. The terrorist at Ft. Hood, Texas, killed 13 Americans with a pistol and a revolver. In the largest recent mass murder a gun wasn't even used. A terrorist in France killed 86 people using a truck..." http://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-gun-violence-united-states-20180317-story.html

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months, 1 week ago

After scrolling through all the 85 comments that came after this very short LTE, I think it's a shame that all of the energy put into writing and googling is at best a waste. No opinions have changed as far as I can tell. We have had many of these LTEs that deal with guns and they lead nowhere. I guess we have not learned that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. This topic only brings out only the insanity that surrounds the topic of guns. We only seem to provide soundbites, not reasonable, thoughtful arguments that can be debated in an equally thoughtful manner.

Bob Summers 2 months, 1 week ago

Your ideology is why the 2nd was drafted.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months, 1 week ago

Your post is a good example of why debate among reasonable individuals is not possible. So, your message from the photo and caption is that the rationale for being armed is fear of the government?

I'm sure those folks in 1789 were probably not aware that this could happen when the 2nd amendment was drafted: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/19/boy-shoots-sister-video-game/437207002/?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

Anyone dumb enough to leave firearms lying around and loaded in the presence of children has no business being allowed to possess a firearm.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

Children should be taught firearms safety.

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months, 1 week ago

The cause of the incident, if you had read the article, was not safety. It was the kid wanting to get at the controller for the game that was in his sister's possession. Pretty effective way of achieving that end, wouldn't you say?

P Allen Macfarlane 2 months, 1 week ago

Furthermore, the issue of poor safety habits rests with the parent, not the child.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

A scary-looking firearm that isn't a semi-automatic.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

It's the difference of opinion that makes a horse race.

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

My Dad had a saying about opinions.....

Cary Ediger 2 months, 1 week ago

Not so much, I deal with facts, logic and common sense.

Bob Smith 2 months, 1 week ago

The dumb is strong with the City of Richmond school board. They want to ban "...NOW, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the School Board and RPS call on the Congress of the United States to ban the manufacture, sale, purchase, possession, and use of assault weapons and large-capacity ammunition cartridges, except those needed by the military and law enforcement..." https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/richmond/Board.nsf/files/AWWM6N59B640/$file/School%20Safety%20Resolution%203.19.2018.pdf Who wants to ask them what is a large-capacity ammunition cartridge? They're just throwing stuff against the wall to see what will stick.

Bob Reinsch 2 months, 1 week ago

Maybe we could post pictures of dead high school kids and guess which ones were killed by assault weapons and which ones were killed with ordinary firearms. That should clear things up.

Joshua Cain 2 months, 1 week ago

The 30+ killed at Virginia Tech were killed by a .22 and a 9 mm. Does it really matter which gun was used?

Bob Smith 2 months ago

Leftists seem to believe that AR-type rifles and 5.56 ammo are magically evil in some fashion.

Charles L. Bloss, Jr. 2 months, 1 week ago

Like many in my age group I was taught firearm safety, hunting, and fishing by my Dad. When I was 10 he gave me a new .410 pump shotgun. As I am the oldest of three boys, when my second oldest behind me got the .410, I got a new Remington 20 ga. semi-auto shotgun. As we aged a few years we all got new .22 rifles Our Founding Fathers said we can keep and bear arms, by adding the second amendment to our constitution. As smart as they were in taking years to mold it, and just coming out of a war to whip Britain's butt, they knew that being armed was the cornerstone that guaranteed and protected the remainder of the constitution. They had to have known that everything would change in time, be upgraded, not just firearms. These were the smartest men of their time. Changes in the constitution have been made as needed since the drafting of the entire constitution. After spending a 30 year career enforcing the law, anything done with a firearm, the firearm is blamed not the evil person using one in a crime. Think about this. People are murdered with all sorts of other objects, and rightfully so the evil intent is the main focus. Not a pot of flowers dropped from a high building to kill, or an iron skillet, or a table fork, etc. None of these objects, or tools are blamed for the death. The evil person using them is blamed and tried for it. No screams for registering flower pots, iron kitchen tools, etc. A firearm is a tool that has many legitimate used, not simply to kill people. As for me I collect them, enjoy shooting them, and buying certain new ones that catch my fancy. I live in the real world, I know the evil that is there. I sent a few of them to prison. I am always armed, and so are other friends. Some are retired peace officers, some are not. I also collect, music, coins, and movies. We need to start blaming firearm deaths on the evil people misusing them.

George Lippencott 2 months, 1 week ago

I thought about posting and then realized it would be a waste of time. So many of us are talking and nobody is listening.

Richard Heckler 2 months ago

Council member suggests APD retired weapons could be melted www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/...apd... Dec 19, 2017 - The council member, when asked what she would like to see the police department do with their retired guns, said there are other agencies that melt them down. "I think if we're going to approach this problem, we have to understand that there was a fiscal challenge at the root of why they chose to take this ...

Thousands of guns melted down into rebar - Washington Times https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/.../thousands-of-guns-melted-down-into-rebar... Aug 13, 2014 - Thousands of weapons collected through the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department's "Gift for Guns" program have been melted down into rebar at a steel mill.

Where Guns Go to Die | HuffPost https://www.huffingtonpost.com/diane-dimond/where-guns-go-to-die_b_216911.html

Jul 18, 2009 - In Rancho Cucamonga, California the TAMCO Steel foundry has been melting down guns for years. They call the program 'Project Isaiah,' named for the biblical passage about beating swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks. One TAMCO official put the project's goals into a modern version, ...

Council member suggests APD retired weapons could be melted ... Video for retired weapons melted down▶ 3:02 https://ru-clip.com/.../council-member-suggests-apd-retired-weapons-...

Thousands of Guns Melted Down - Pasadena Independent www.pasadenaindependent.com/featured/... Jul 21, 2016 - The more than 7,000 weapons were mixed with about 150 tons of scrap metal and then melted into a pool of liquid metal. – Photo courtesy Gerdau Steel Mill. 23rd Annual Event Is Largest Ever at Rancho Cucamonga, Steel Mill Transforms Firearms Into Steel Rebar for New Roads, Freeways, and Buildings.

Guns melted down at ArcelorMittal steel mill - Daily Local News www.dailylocal.com/general-news/.../g... Sep 29, 2015 - Sgt. Rodger Ollis takes a picture of guns loaded into a truck by the Coatesville Police outside the police station in Coatesville on Tuesday. The guns from the city, along with some from Parkesburg and Baltimore police departments, were melted down at the ArcelorMittal steel mill. LUCAS RODGERS ... Missing: retired

Where Illegal Guns Can Do No More Harm - The New York Times

www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/nyregion/03guns.html

Jun 3, 2008 - “With the destruction of these illegal guns, they'll eventually be melted down and used as machine parts, piping or whatever the industry can use at this time to help better society,” said William G. McMahon, the special agent in charge who heads the bureau's ... A Retirement Plan for Confiscated Guns FEB.

Bob Smith 2 months ago

You spammed 4 threads today with this same tripe?

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