Archive for Tuesday, October 31, 2017

8 killed by motorist in ‘cowardly act of terror’ on New York bike path

In this photo provided by the New York City Police Department, officers respond to a report of gunfire along West Street near the pedestrian bridge at Stuyvesant High School in lower Manhattan in New York, Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2017. (Martin Speechley/NYPD via AP)

In this photo provided by the New York City Police Department, officers respond to a report of gunfire along West Street near the pedestrian bridge at Stuyvesant High School in lower Manhattan in New York, Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2017. (Martin Speechley/NYPD via AP)

October 31, 2017

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— A man in a rented pickup truck drove onto a busy bicycle path near the World Trade Center memorial Tuesday, killing at least eight people and injuring several others in what the mayor called "a particularly cowardly act of terror."

The 29-year-old driver was shot by police after jumping out of the truck with what turned out to be a fake gun in each hand, officials said. He was taken into custody. His condition was not immediately disclosed.

Witnesses described a scene of panic and blood, with people screaming in fear and the path strewn with bodies and mangled bicycles.

Cities around the globe have been on alert against attacks by extremists in vehicles. The Islamic State has been encouraging its followers to mow down people, and Britain, France and Germany have all seen deadly vehicle attacks in recent months and years.

Police said the vehicle, a rented Home Depot truck, entered the bike path on West Street a few blocks from the new World Trade Center and mowed down several people. The truck also slammed into a small yellow school bus, injuring two adults and two children.

A paintball gun and a pellet gun were found at the scene, police said.

"This was an act of terror, and a particularly cowardly act of terror aimed at innocent civilians," Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

At least two bodies could be seen lying on the path beneath tarps, and the front end of the pickup was smashed in.

Tom Gay, a school photographer, was on Warren Street and heard people saying there was an accident. He went down to West Street and a woman came around the corner shouting, "He has a gun! He has a gun!"

Gay said he stuck his head around the corner and saw a slender man in a blue track suit running southbound on West Street holding a gun. He said there was a heavyset man pursuing him.

He said he heard five or six shots and the man in the tracksuit fell to the ground, gun still raised in the air. He said a man came over and kicked the gun out of his hand.

The attack closed roads across the western edge of Manhattan along the Hudson River and sent uniformed officers rushing to the neighborhood as people prepared for Halloween festivities, including an annual parade through Greenwich Village.

Eugene Duffy, 43, a chef at a waterfront restaurant, said he was crossing West Street when he heard something, turned back and saw the white pickup on the bike path.

After seeing the mangled bikes, he ran south, seeing the school bus that appeared to have been T-boned, and officers at the scene, guns drawn, ducked behind patrol cars.

"So many police came and they didn't know what was happening," Duffy said. "People were screaming. Females were screaming at the top of their lungs."

Uber driver Chen Yi said he saw a truck plow into people on a popular bike path adjacent to the West Side Highway. He said he then heard seven to eight shots and then police pointing a gun at a man kneeling on the pavement.

"I saw a lot of blood over there. A lot of people on the ground," Yi said.

Video footage of the school bus showed its right side bashed in, and firefighters surrounding it as they worked to free children inside.

The White House said President Donald Trump was briefed on the attack.

Comments

Brock Masters 1 month, 1 week ago

Very sad. Terrorism has become too common.

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

At the extreme, Islam is the antithesis to the constitution.

Why are these people allowed in the country?

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

He was allowed in on a "diversity" visa. Really, you just can't make this stuff up.

Brock Masters 1 month, 1 week ago

Here is the conundrum. We know that not all Muslims are violent but we also know there are millions that support attacks on civilians and attacking the West. Since there is no way to look at a Muslim and know if they are violent or not then how do we protect ourselves from those that want to kill us?

We do know which countries support terrorism and an anti-West ideology. A travel ban of residents from those countries makes sense. Won’t stop all terrorist from coming into our country, but it is one step in a multi-faceted approach to combating terrorism.

Theodore Calvin 1 month, 1 week ago

So in this instance we can piecemeal enough legislation that will culminate into a terror-free Utopia, but we can't piecemeal enough legislation that will culminate into less gun violence? How is it the obvious answer in one scenario but not the other? A ban won't stop every terrorist, so why try?

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

So are you admitting your agenda is to ban guns?

Theodore Calvin 1 month, 1 week ago

No, I just think it's funny how it's the obvious answer to stop/deter/minimize something in one instance, but isn't good enough to stop/deter/minimize something in another instance. I really don't care if people have guns. I just wish people would be more responsible with them. Just pointing out how people's ideologies really shape how they view things and can lead to quite the contradiction. It's totally reasonable in one instance, when it's things people are against, but not good enough/unnecessary in another when it comes to something one is for. I'd say it's much easier to ban an object (guns) and see some change, than try to ban an ideology (terrorism) based on geography and expect change. Good luck on that.

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

"I just wish people would be more responsible with them" Well we both can agree on that. However, I expect that little of the total gun violence is the result of just irresponsible behavior by otherwise law abiding gun owners. If anyone has a link to a breakdown of gun violence by "cause" I'd love to see it (i.e. gun left where a child could get it, accidental discharge, hunting accident, suicides, criminal use of firearms, law enforcement use of firearm, etc)

Theodore Calvin 1 month, 1 week ago

Well there is no mechanism for studying the exact type of things you are seeking thanks to the NRA and our bought and paid for legislators, since we are forbidden from compiling statistics on those type of things.

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

You are aware that the NRA isn't even in the top 50 groups giving money to politicians, aren't you?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

The NRA's influence extends beyond their campaign contributions, Bobby.

They also have the full force of the gun-nuts that will vote however they are told by them.

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

You're too emotionally hypersensitive to be anywhere near a firearm.

Why are Liberals not banned from owning firearms? Why don't you and people under the influence fight to ban firearms in your own hands?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

...um...we do. Because we want the gun laws to be the same for everyone, liberals included.

It's only the right that wanted to target gun-laws for specific groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/26/opinion/sunday/do-black-people-have-equal-gun-rights.html

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

People under the influence are creating the gun violence.

Why don't the the Liberals at least teach gun safety in their government inculcation centers?

brtw, color does not matter. Why does the Liberal make it so?

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

With respect to trying to have a debate with Bob I'm reminded of the old adage "Don't wrestle with a pig. You just get muddy and the pig enjoys it."

Brock Masters 1 month, 1 week ago

Too true and too obvious but yet some can’t figure it out and get sucked right into the mud.

Brock Masters 1 month, 1 week ago

Theodore if you want to discuss a topic with me then please refrain from lying. I never said or suggested it would create a terror-free utopia. I actually said it wouldn’t stop all terrorist from entering our country.

As for gun violence, key difference is there is no right to immigrate into our country but there is the right to bear arms.

Regardless, I’ve been very consistent in my views on gun violence and have offered individual solutions that should be part of a multi-faceted approach to curbing gun violence.

My approach on gun violence is exactly the same as what I suggested on terrorism - focus efforts on those who are like;y to commit violence and not the ones who won’t - didn’t say ban all immigrants, didn’t even say ban Muslims, but did say ban residents from countries that support terrorism and an anti-West ideology.

Discuss, debate and challenge what I write in an honest intellectual manner and I will respond. Do it in a trol-like manner and I will ignore you.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

Just a reminder that two of the three worst terrorist attacks on US soil were perpetrated by white american citizens (Las Vegas & OKC bombing).

If you think this is a Muslim problem, you're not actually paying attention.

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

I would argue that this specific attack is indeed a radical Islam problem.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

So when a white guy goes crazy and shoots hundreds of people, that's just a crazy person.

But if a brown person goes crazy and kills people, THAT'S a religious problem?

In my opinion, these are complicated issues and throwing each of these incidents into whatever bin fits our preferred narrative is ignoring the actual issues behind them.

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

Motivations aside, all of the examples you cite were carried out by "crazy persons".

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

That's my point?

His religion and country of origin is irrelevant. But I guarantee both sides are going to crouch back into their corners and have the same irrelevant debate instead of addressing the real issues.

Fox News will spends days spewing hate for Muslims, then CNN and MSNBC will spend time trying to remind us that not all Muslims are evil.

The real issues behind these incidents (healthcare, the economy, extremism on all sides) will be ignored.

Pete Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

While we don't know about the Vegas shooter, we do know that most, if not all, of the other example you cite can be traced back to religion. Muslims, Christians and Jews have been killing each other for centuries. What do we do about that? Perhaps some day reason will dispel the bastardized beliefs in various sky fairies.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

You won't get an argument from me on the toxic nature of religion, but they are not the only sources of the extremism.

Those forces take advantage of weaknesses in our society to gain members. We should focus on removing those weaknesses rather than waiting for logic and reason to spontaneously appear in organizations built upon an unquestioning belief in fairy tales.

Bob Smith 1 month, 1 week ago

White American citizens aren't dragging Europe back to the Dark Ages even as we speak.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

Nobody is dragging Europe back to the Dark Ages bobby.

Try coming out from under your Nazi, pardon, I mean alt-right rock from time to time.

Bob Summers 1 month, 1 week ago

Why would the Eloi invite the Morlock into their village knowing their predilection for eating them?

Why would the Liberal invite the Muslim into into their village knowing their predilection for killing them?

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

So, you're saying we should completely ban something based on the risk of a very small sub-group of it?

Glad to see you've finally come around on gun control.

Ken Lassman 1 month, 1 week ago

I'm curious, Bob, since you keep bringing them up. Do you identify more with the Eloi or the Morlocks and why? For that matter, which do you identify more with in your extended analogy: the Liberal or the Muslim?

Brock Masters 1 month, 1 week ago

It is interesting to read and listen to the comments on this terrorist attack and the lengths people will use it to try and score political points, defend Islamic terrorist and be PC.

Thank goodness Trump is President and is willing to take swift action to make our country safer, not completely safe, but safer.

People try to defend to make this a race issue - it isn’t. Islamic terrorist are many different races. They try to make it an attack on an religion - it isn’t. Religion is only a component of the discussion because the terrorist commit their acts of terror in the name of Islam.

They point out that Muslim terrorist are not the only terrorist attacking the US. Agreed, we must fight against domestic and foreign terrorism, but while some solutions will counter both, the two are different and there are different tools needed to combat them.

We have no obligation to take refugees or immigrants from countries that promote terrorism or hate us and do not have a credible system in place to vet refugees and immigrants. Limiting immigration from these countries won’t stop terrorism, but it will help. Not a panacea, but just one component of a larger system to thwart terrorism.

Daniel Kennamore 1 month, 1 week ago

"It is interesting to read and listen to the comments on this terrorist attack and the lengths people will use it to try and score political points, defend Islamic terrorist and be PC."

Oh please, Brock.

Trump used this very same incident to score political points less than 24 hours after the incident by blaming Schumer.

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