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Letter to the editor: Too soon to talk?

November 12, 2017

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To the editor:

According to National Public Radio, Morning Edition, on Nov. 6, 2017:

President Donald Trump, referring to the mass shooting occurring the day before in Sutherland Springs, Texas: “It’s too soon to talk about gun control.”

According to The Associated Press, published Nov. 5, 2017 — a list of some of the deadliest mass shootings occurring in the United States since 2012: 1. Nov. 5, 2017: First Baptist Church, Sutherland Springs, Texas — 26 killed.

  1. Oct. 1, 2017: Outdoor music festival, Las Vegas — 58 killed.
  2. June 12, 2016: Nightclub, Orlando, Fla. — 49 killed.
  3. Feb. 25, 2016: Lawnmower factory, Hesston, Kan. — three killed.
  4. Feb. 20, 2016: Kalamazoo, Mich. — six killed.
  5. Dec. 2, 2015: A social services center, San Bernardino, Calif. — 14 killed.
  6. Oct. 1, 2015: Umpqua Community College, Roseburg, Ore. — 10 killed.
  7. June 17, 2015: Emanuel A.M.E. Church, Charleston, S.C. — nine killed.
  8. May 23, 2014: University of California, Santa Barbara — six killed.
  9. Sept. 16, 2013: Washington Navy Yard — 12 killed.
  10. July 26, 2013: Apartment building, Hialeah, Fla. — six killed.
  11. Dec. 14, 2012: Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, Conn. — 26 killed.
  12. Sept. 27, 2012: Workplace, Minneapolis, Minn. — six killed.
  13. Aug. 5, 2012: Sikh Temple, Oak Creek, Wis. — six killed.
  14. July 20, 2012: Movie theater, Aurora, Colo. — 12 killed.
  15. April 2, 2012: Oikos University, Oakland, Calif. — seven killed.

AND Oct. 1, 2017: Massachusetts St., Lawrence, Kan. — three killed.

PLEASE elect officials who are determined to counter gun violence.

Comments

Bob Smith 1 month ago

When someone can come up with a plan that will impede the shooters without punishing the tens of millions of Americans who safely own and use firearms, then we can talk. Proposing failed solutions because "something must be done!" is futile and counterproductive.

Bob Summers 4 weeks, 1 day ago

Hey Mary!

PLEASE elect officials who are determined to counter gun violence.

Why isn't gun safety taught in school?

Liberals teach safe sex. Drug control. Diversity. Personal sex identification.

Why not gun safety?

Why not gun safety Mary?

PLEASE elect officials who are determined to counter Liberal profound ignorance.

Brock Masters 4 weeks, 1 day ago

The problem is those in power do not care about ending violence in our country. Gun control is a political football. Neither side wants to end violence because it is too lucrative politically and financially.

The solution to ending, to the degree possible, violence in this country is to take the focus off gun bans and limitations. This approach is not effective and shuts down real conversations.

Low hanging fruit solution - PSAs on gun safety and offering free training on gun handling, storage and safety.

Fund the background database to include the mentally ill and require all health professionals to report patients under their care for depression, and other mental health issues that can cause a person to be suicidal or harm others. To narrow it you could limit to those receiving medication to treat the illness.

Fund more affordable and accessible health clinics

Fund education in areas where a good education is lacking. Along with this fund school nutrition programs. Nutrition is key to learning.

Admit we have a culture problem in many communities and figure out how to end the culture of drugs, gangs and violence.

Is this the magic solution? Of course not, but it is a start and yes it will cost money, but we squander enough money on stupid stuff to fund this 10 times over.

P Allen Macfarlane 4 weeks, 1 day ago

"Low hanging fruit solution - PSAs on gun safety and offering free training on gun handling, storage and safety." Brock, I totally agree with you, but it has to go further than that. When a gun owner is placed in a situation where a shooter's gun is already drawn or where the element of surprise of surprise is on the side of the shooter, tips on gun storage and safety are not enough. If the point of making guns more available to individuals the point, training them in how to use them in extremely stressful situations is needed. Otherwise, they might be so immobilized by fear that they shoot innocent bystanders. Furthermore everybody should be required to be licensed and not just once, but only for a short period of time with the opportunity of renewal on completion of some refresher training. We license individuals to drive and as part of the process, they are required to actually drive safely in traffic. We do that because we care about individuals not getting hurt by the actions of someone not specifically trained in how to be safe and not trained in how to navigate our streets and highways with a vehicle. It has always been curious to me that we do not license or require any training of anyone owning a firearm, an object that is at least as dangerous as a car could be.

Pete Rowland 4 weeks, 1 day ago

These comments don't make sense. Does anyone think the Las Vegas or Texas shooters lacked knowledge about gun safety? Really? A PSA and all is well? Failed solutions? Exactly when did limiting access of mentally deranged people to ammunition designed only to maim and kill fellow human beings "fail." As a gun owner myself, I agree with deceased Justice Scalia who, in an opinion (Heller) defending the second amendment as an individual right, pointed out that an individual's right to own firearms did not mean that this right was not subject to reasonable restrictions -- just as free speech doesn't give us the right to shout "fire" in a crowded theater. Would such restrictions prevent all gun violence? Of course not. Would they have prevented or at least minimized the violence in Texas and Las Vegas? Duh. Scalia must be turning over in his grave.

Brock Masters 4 weeks, 1 day ago

Pete your attitude is a big part of the problem. I offer up solutions and you respond in an aggressive and condescending manner. Sure challenge what I suggest but be constructive.

PSAs may help prevent accidental shootings. Those deaths are worth stopping too.

All ammunition is designed to kill so are you suggesting banning all ammo? If so, that isn’t reasonable.

Had the proper information been entered into the background database the TX shooter would not have been allowed to legally purchase his weapons.

Why not put forth your specific solution.

Richard Aronoff 4 weeks, 1 day ago

Know what all of those shooters had in common? Not one of them was a member of the NRA. Many of them had known mental health issues or criminal records that were not reported to the federal system.

When Sen. Diane Feinstein was asked if any gun control law could have stopped the Las Vegas shooter, she said no law would have stopped him.

Finally Mary, you might want to check the FBI statistics showing how many crimes were prevented by private citizens with guns.

Gene Ralno 4 weeks, 1 day ago

Leftists see what conservatives see. We all know how incompetent the government is in controlling illegal immigration. We all know the incompetence of government in preventing illegal drugs from flooding into the U.S. We now know colossal mistakes are being made by the government in operating the NICS background checking system. We know what a train wreck we face with government medical care, national debt, entitlement abuse, Social Security, Environmental Protection and on and on. Who on God’s green earth really, deep down, believes we're stupid enough to entrust the safety and security of our families to the incompetent bureaucrats who would administer new gun control laws?

When thinking about the latest mass shooting, remember this. Governments that carry out mass murders fear armed citizens and it’s precisely why disarmament of the governed always precedes the killings. Taken together, all the mass shooting deaths by nuts, felons, terrorists and illegal aliens throughout history for the entire planet is infinitesimal compared to the total of mass killings of civilian citizens by governments. It’s the reason for our 2nd Amendment and throughout history, it has been a very bad idea to allow any government to disarm its people.

This latest atrocity should serve as a wakeup call for all the states as well as Texas. Governments will do whatever it takes to confiscate privately owned firearms. Leftists were beaten badly during Obama’s reign. So they’re starting over with little things like magazine size, bump-stocks, ammunition taxes, license fees, sound suppressors, bullet shapes and on and on. Eventually, they’ll get around to universal registration again. Clearly, they need universal registration because it fundamentally transforms all owners of firearms into dependents. Once they know who the owners are, they’ll proceed to choose which of them are allowed to be licensed. It’s the grandest of all entitlements. They need the hundred million owners to be dependent on the government in order to convince them to vote for more leftists.

Conservatives have declared they’ve talked enough already. Leftists have hammered this issue for so long and so hard, it's totally worn out. We already have 20,000 laws and they're the best our legislators can write. They haven't delivered disarmament as leftists want. The agenda is clear and there's nothing left to talk about. If they want to "force" states to launch colossal projects to input all their felons to the NICS database, conservatives will support it heartily. If they want to punish everyone who falsifies the required BATFE (ATF) Form 4473, fine. If they want to fully punish criminals who violate firearms laws in conjunction with their other crimes, fine. But the usual stuff we've already been over a hundred times? Not a chance. No more talk.

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