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Letter to the editor: Safety plan

March 19, 2017

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To the editor:

Make America safe.

How to do that? The President thinks that denying visas to citizens of six predominantly Muslim countries will help. But none of those countries has been implicated in any terrorist attack on the U.S.

America would be made safer if something could be done about gun violence in the country. In 2015 alone, more than 12.000 people were killed by guns. Twice that number were injured. We need to examine more closely gun legislation at both the federal and the state levels.

Comments

Bob Smith 6 months, 1 week ago

Except for Democratic-controlled hell holes, violent crime has been dropping across America. This Bob is beating a dead horse.

Bob Summers 6 months, 1 week ago

What Bob said. Start by banning all firearms to humans testing positive for the Liberal genetic condition. A simple cobalt blue L tat in cursive on their foreheads should suffice.

Watch gun deaths plummet.

Save lives. Do it for the children.

Brock Masters 6 months, 1 week ago

Mr. Fraga - you should focus your energy on finding real solutions for America instead of trying to score political wins.

Yes, gun violence is a real problem in the US, but so is the threat of terrorist coming from predominantly Muslim countries. The countries named in the temporary travel ban do not have the infrastructure to enable us to properly vet their people. Just because they haven't exported a terrorist to date doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps to improve security.

This is a separate isse from gun violence in America but you chose to connect the two for obvious political reasons. Totally unnecessary and counter productive.

The nation doesn't need the president to deal with gun violence in our communities. We must enforce the gun laws on the books and implore our Congressional delegation to fund the background database to include people who suffer from mental illness and are prohibited from owning guns.

Cities must work to break the culture of violence that promotes gun violence. States must ensure that schools have adequate funding for schools and for early intervention programs that provide nutrition and medical assistance to poor children so they can be prepared to learn.

Sad that you wrote about an important issue, but chose to do so in a way that makes it political.

Paul Beyer 6 months, 1 week ago

Well,it seems that all people named Bob are not complete alt-right,gun lovers with low IQ's. Common sense says that less guns available means less gun related crime , but gun nuts seem to lack plain common sense.

Brock Masters 6 months, 1 week ago

"less guns available means less gun related crime"

Not true. You could remove every gun from law abiding gun owners and the crime rate would at least stay the same since the same amount of guns would be in the hands of criminals.

Take away guns from law abiding citizens and law enforcement and crime rates would likely increase.

The key is removing guns from criminals or those who are mentally ill.

BTW, what is the definition of "gun nut?"

Brandon Devlin 6 months, 1 week ago

My guess is that Paul's definition of a "gun nut" is anyone who doesn't share his opinion or his obvious fear of law abiding citizens that aren't afraid of them.

Bob Summers 6 months, 1 week ago

Beyer and his congenital cohorts are the "gun nuts".

This is why they should be banned from ownership of firearms.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 months, 1 week ago

Yes, gun violence is a real problem in the US, but so is the threat of terrorist coming from predominantly Muslim countries??. Really?? It seems to me that all the "terrorist attacks" here lately have come from American citizens who embrace ISIS and their crusade to destroy the United States of America.. No foreign terrorists here??

As for guns....the second amendment says "a well-regulated militia." Huh?? "he right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." FOR A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA!~!!!!

THIS WAS AT A TIME THERE WAS NO NATIONAL MILITARY ESTABLISHMENT TO PROTECT THE NATION!!

The mis-reading of the second amendment by gun advocates to prevent ANY SORT OF REASONABLE REGULATION is the source of the massive gun crime in the country.

Until the people wake up..........(never).......the massive carnage by incompetent and mentally unstable fools will continue to be a staple of the fake news outlets..

The NRA tosses piles of money for political purposes to gain influence in the political parties. Witness Trump cozying up to the NRA to let everybody see what a wonderful and great person he wants you to believe.

All the political parties are scared silly of the NRA and their influlance....so we will continue to the massive carnage occur in our country regardless of the blatherings and BS from the non-president.

Brandon Devlin 6 months, 1 week ago

The United States Army was founded on June 14th, 1784 to replace the Continental Army which had disbanded following the end of the Revolutionary War. The Second Amendment was adopted in December of 1791, a full seven years after the formation of a "standing military."

Good try, Fred. Still as grumpy as ever.

Brock Masters 6 months, 1 week ago

Fred please go read DC v Heller. The 2nd amendment, according to the SCOTUS is an individual right.

Germany, France, Brussels, and Turkey have suffered dozens of terrorist attacks by Muslims coming from predominantly Muslim countries.

Terrorist have easy access to Europe so it is easy to conclude that if they could they would come here to commit terrorist attacks.

Can't we learn from Europe before it happens here on a regular basis?

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 months, 1 week ago

The Second Amendment was included in the U.S. Constitution as a notice to the British (who were the governing power to the not-yet-established country at that time) from attempting to gain control over the Americans in restricting their efforts to provide for a national military force to oppose the British rule.

THAT was the purpose of the Second Amendment. The folks who established this amendment could not imagined in their wildest dreams of the massive carnage and destruction they created by having the unregulated spread of deadly military style weapons in the hands of fools.

Brandon Devlin 6 months, 1 week ago

The Bill of Rights (the first ten amendments to the Constitution) wasn't even brought up until June of 1789, eight years after Britain recognized our independence (following Yorktown in 1781.) I mean, even counting the actual peace treaty being signed in 1783, I still fail to see how Britain was "still" the governing power?"

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 1 week ago

It was in reaction to what they did when they were ruling. You have dates down pretty good, but you need to study more deeply into history.

Brandon Devlin 6 months, 1 week ago

That's fine that you want to defend Fred. . .I was purely pointing out the folly of his statement about the British being "the governing power to the not-yet-established country at that time," which was a false statement.

But really, if you want to read deeper into the saga, I'd suggest starting with William Blackstone's "Commentaries on the Laws of England," which the framers of the constitution and the Bill of Rights relied quite a bit on, including quite a passage on the idea of "natural right of self-defense."

Dorothy Hoyt-Reed 6 months, 1 week ago

The danger of dying in a terrorist attack in the US is very slim. But there are plenty of people dying from gun violence. But let's take a look at the causes. Obviously, the more guns there are, the more gun violence. But what makes a person take the life of another person? That's what we should be studying.

Is it the influence of fiction? I know someone who fantasizes about someone breaking into her house and how she will take her gun and blow them away (I won't go to her house unannounced ever). She and I both watch shows like Criminal Minds and NCIS, but she is convinced that these shows indicate we have a rise in crime, and won't be convinced by the facts. I however just like the puzzle of figuring out who did it, and I understand it's fiction. Car chases? Are they being reported more, or are people watching too much Fast and Furious type movies? They really think they can drive like trained stunt drivers?

As far as Chicago and other city problems, much of this is caused by an increase in gang activity, not unlike what happened in the 90's. Why not figure out how to give alternatives to joining gangs? How about more community policing? How about instead of cutting after school programs, we create more and more. This increase of gang violence coincides with the cutting of these programs, and most of these programs are going to get cut again.

Why not stop worshipping the rich? Many kids turn to crime, because they see some criminals living high on the hog, at least, until they finally get busted. Why not worship the working person. Why not make the person who works hard and takes care of his/her family a hero, even if they live in a modest house and don't take expensive vacations? These reality stars with no talent are ridiculous. The are just famous for being rich and flaunting it.

But terrorism will probably happen. Making up lies about our intelligence agencies is going to make this more likely. They will be too busy defending themselves to pay attention to keeping an eye out. This travel ban is as bigoted as it gets. It's like saying that you were robbed by a Black man; therefore, all Black men or thieves. Or my girl friend cheated on me, so all women are cheaters. It's simplistic, cowardly thinking. And would someone like to explain to me that why these countries? No one from these countries have committed a terrorist attack in the US. Why not a ban on Saudi Arabia? They seem to be creating a lot of terrorists. How do we protect ourselves from our own terrorists? Calling them hate crimes is just a nice way of saying terrorism. Do we assume all white men are terrorists? Does the travel ban help to fuel these hate crimes?

Bob Smith 6 months, 1 week ago

Why do the people who run Chicago keep rolling over for the drug gangs?

Bob Summers 6 months, 1 week ago

Meanwhile, Liberals are releasing murderers, arsonists, and drug pushers, (terrorists) into the public.

Hide your children. The Liberals are coming.

Homeland Security officials have identified 118 different sanctuary cities across the U.S., according to the first edition of President Trump’s new name-and-shame policy, released Monday, that suggested Clark County in Nevada and Nassau County in New York were likely the worst offenders in the first week. During that period, from Jan, 28 through Feb. 3, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said it became aware of some 206 illegal immigrants whom sanctuaries refused to turn over. ICE said it expects that number to grow as it learns of more names. Los Angeles refused to turn over a convicted arsonist from Mexico, while Philadelphia balked at cooperating on a Jamaican man accused of murder.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/20/sanctuary-city-slip-ups-as-la-released-arsonist-ph/

Brandon Devlin 6 months, 1 week ago

It's easy for certain people to conveniently "forget" that the previous administration was working over Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) in Yemen, only with drones. (Including an accidental killing of 41 civilians in 2009.)

And Yemen is still crawling with AQAP operatives (according to CNN,), so maybe having it on the list isn't such a bad thing.

Ken Lassman 6 months, 1 week ago

In these days of factoids, alternative facts, fake news and partisan blindered realities, I think a great place to find common ground in this emotionally charged topic would be to join the American Medical Association's call to start treating gun violence as a public health crisis and fund studies that develop effective strategies for combating this affliction in the same manner as you would any other public health crisis. Times that researchers have looked at gun violence the same way as they look at other diseases have shown real promise in preventing the spread of violence outbreaks in the same way as you would look at infectious diseases.

It seems to me that both gun rights advocates and public safety advocates could support increased funding of this kind of research, with only diehard beyond-the-pale folks wanting to prevent more effective, research-based prevention/mitigation. It's time to get past the anecdotal, self-reinforcing arguments and get down to developing effective policies that will potentially cut urban crime rates and protect hunters and gun-possessing citizens at the same time. Here's a link to the AMA study report: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/03/508037642/study-says-gun-violence-should-be-treated-as-a-public-health-crisis

Bob Smith 6 months, 1 week ago

AMA has their own ax to grind. Grains of salt should be taken along with their studies.

Ken Lassman 6 months, 1 week ago

It's the Center for Disease Control, NIH and other federal agencies who would disburse the funds to established researchers with a track record of impartiality and expertise; the AMA just thinks it's a good idea. I would hope you do too.

Brandon Devlin 6 months, 1 week ago

I like your idea, Ken. As a gun owner (not a "gun nut" as some would say in this very board,) I'm all for education.

One of my problems all along, however, has been the statistic from the CDC that says on average, 62% of gun-related deaths is suicide. (I'm not sure where the AMA gets their numbers from, but overall, their gun related numbers pretty closely match what the CDC says.) Granted, those gun-related numbers might go down if someone who wanted to kill themselves couldn't get access to a gun, but wouldn't they find another way? Wouldn't they still be dead? In those cases, are guns the real problem?

Brock Masters 6 months, 1 week ago

Ken, there is no need for a study. I can tell you exactly why there is gun violence.

We have people living in poverty with no future. They have no future because the family structure has broken down, children are born but not raised and nurtured. The schools do not have adequate funding but even if they the parent component is not there to supplement what the school teaches.

Role models are gang bangers instead of intelligent successful, but boring people.

Bob Summers 6 months, 1 week ago

You're scratching at the symptoms with your "poverty" claim.

The root cause of "poverty" is their generational reliance on Liberal government institutions for education, food, shelter, cell phone.

Look at what the Liberal people have done to Detroit.

How can they not be in poverty?

Ken Lassman 6 months ago

Brock, I don't think you understand what research on gun violence would be designed to investigate. Of course, poverty with no economic opportunities to reverse that is a volatile playground for gun violence, but there are plenty of other places around the world where those two things exist that have way lower rates, while other places with plenty of economic opportunity can have very high rates of gun violence, too.

Resarch on gun violence would likely be much more focused and applied in nature. As I mentioned earlier, there seems to be a pattern in gun violence proliferation in many communities that are very similar to epidemiological outbreaks of infectious diseases, and what research that has been done indicates that there may be ways to disrupt the spread of that violence once it occurs, mimicking other disease-stopping measures.

Research can put a much finer point on which preventative measures work and which don't. How important is access to guns? How about extended magazine clips or kinds of guns? How effective is arming everyone in reducing gun violence? Well designed research on such questions would bear much fruitful information. I think that most Americans are ready to hear the answers to such research in our shared quest to reduce the rates of gun violence, whether it be in the streets of Chicago, for suicides, for terrorist attacks, for it all. It can help us develop evidence-based policies, i.e. that includes research as an important consideration when we look at all of the tradeoffs.

Bob Smith 6 months ago

"...magazine clips"? You're such a funny guy, Ken.

Bob Smith 6 months ago

For those civilian-disarmament folks who want to ban normal capacity magazines, the federal government has sold hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of 20 and 30 round M-16 magazines as surplus over the years. That genie is not going back into the bottle.

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