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Kansas Senate rejects extending gun exemption for universities

No guns signs are posted on a side door of KU's Art and Design Building, as well as other buildings on campus, pictured in May 2015.

No guns signs are posted on a side door of KU's Art and Design Building, as well as other buildings on campus, pictured in May 2015.

February 11, 2016

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— The Kansas Senate on Thursday rejected a proposal that would have given public colleges and universities another four years to comply with the state's concealed carry law, which will require them to allow concealed-carry weapons on campus by 2017.

Sen. Jeff Longbine, R-Emporia, offered that as an amendment onto another bill dealing with concealed-carry rights. He cited a recent Fort Hays State University poll that showed strong opposition among students to allowing concealed weapons on campus.

Under current law, enacted in 2013, state and municipal governments are required to allow people to carry concealed handguns in their public buildings unless the buildings have adequate security to prevent anyone from bringing in weapons.

Sens. Marci Francisco, D-Lawrence, and Forrest Knox, R-Altoona, debate a proposal to extend the deadline for universities to allow concealed carry handguns on campus until 2021. That amendment failed, 11-26.

Sens. Marci Francisco, D-Lawrence, and Forrest Knox, R-Altoona, debate a proposal to extend the deadline for universities to allow concealed carry handguns on campus until 2021. That amendment failed, 11-26.

Public colleges and universities are currently exempt from that law until July 1, 2017. Longbine's amendment would have extended that exemption until 2021. Public K-12 school buildings are exempt from the law entirely.

Sen. Forrest Knox, R-Altoona, said banning guns on campus would actually make students less safe.

"The real issues are the crimes that did not happen because young ladies had the means to protect themselves, or young men, or staff," Knox said.

Longbine's amendment failed, 11-26.

But the Senate also defeated, 14-25, an amendment offered by Sen. Michael O'Donnell, R-Wichita, that would have moved up the deadline for concealed carry on campus to July 1 of this year.

He offered the amendment onto a bill that would allow public employees who are qualified to own firearms, even if they're not law enforcement officers, to carry concealed weapons both on and off the premises of their workplaces, including onto private property.

Comments

Melinda Henderson 1 year, 10 months ago

And this is what O'Donnell the kid said: "Sen. O'Donnell says he hasn't talked to a single university student that opposes allowing concealed carry on campus in 2016."

Are you paying attention, KU Students?

Teri Griffin-Guntert 1 year, 10 months ago

Are you aware of the college campuses around this country that have had concealed carry laws in effect for y years without any complications or are you suggesting that KU students are too immature to handle responsibility and accountability? Start checking on our neighbor CU.

Greg Cooper 1 year, 10 months ago

Teri, people in the nation used to "own" other people. Somewhere along the line we as a nation figured out that that was a pretty bad thing and changed it. That someone else does something that is a pretty bad idea does NOT make it a good idea for us to follow blindly along. But, nice try.

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 10 months ago

Sorry Greg, Teri is right! All of the doomsday scenarios have never come to pass. Guns are not the problem, criminals are. There was a story just recently about a GM employee. He shot a woman who stabbing another woman (her daughter). He was fired by GM but the public outcry forced GM to rehire him.

Michael Kort 1 year, 10 months ago

What is good for the goose, should be good enough for the gander ?!

Let our legislators arm themselves with guns while at work......and just let any nut bag who wants to become famous, walk right in, legally unopposed,........who is looking to do what nut bags do best .

Or maybe when one of our legislators goes off,.....they can do whatever.....with their guns in chamber ?

How about dueling legislators, at high noon, as the clock strikes ?

They should live the same existence, as they force college students to live in, at their work place, where they are accessable to whatever comes in ( armed ), thru the various doors of the State of Kansas Capitol building .

Let them prove their personal support of the NRA.....the old fashioned way, Walk what you Talk !

Do away with any metal detectors, armed guards or weapons bans in the Capitol buildings .

If they want to create the "Wild West" in support of gun sales in Kansas,.......then I have no objections to them having this for themselves, in the Capitol Building ( what they force apon others, elsewhere ), in their own work place, ....where a monkey who votes as directed, when told to., could replace most of them !

How many guns and how much ammo could you sell, to arm every potential Ks college student from now until the end of time ? That's allot of money.......but wait......there's more because we haven't even begun to arm high schools ( yet ) ! Just think of all of the high schools......that could be weaponized ! Money, Money, money, money.....MONEY !!!

Big money to be made here.......but I guess not so much money, in arming the States Capitol Building ?!

Bob Forer 1 year, 10 months ago

Their hypocrisy is integral to their very being. they have a separate set of rules for themselves.

David Reber 1 year, 10 months ago

Nice rant, Michael, but guns are already allowed in the Capitol buildings.

Michael Kort 1 year, 10 months ago

Thanks for your point .

By gosh,....they are crazier than I thought that they were !,..... already !

Well, let's add our lawmaker to the happy list of gun and ammo $ purchasers !

Some day we will find out which one of them goes nuts and draws first !

I wouldn't want to be the guy sitting in the front row, with all our those armed loonies behnd me, in the back of the chambers .

Teri Griffin-Guntert 1 year, 10 months ago

and on other college campuses. CU has had them for several years without incidences.

Vic Janeway 1 year, 10 months ago

Wrong as in no incidents....there is History on incidents on campuses, so anyone saying there be in Total denial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 10 months ago

I didn't see any incidents at CU in the last 30 years. Where is your proof that Teri's claim is wrong?

Bob Summers 1 year, 10 months ago

There is no way in H E double toothpicks I would allow youth of today be anywhere near a firearm.

This is post transformation America. These youths have been nurtured by Liberal government indoctrination all their tender lives.

It would be better to put up more blue lights for them to run to during times they are under emotional distress.

Steve King 1 year, 10 months ago

Government By the People, for the People seems a forgotten concept in Kansas. According to the results of the latest FHSU poll of Kansans by the Capital Journal:

75% Oppose non-licensed conceal carry. THEY PASSED IT.

84% Support lower or no sales tax on food.     THEY RAISED SALES TAX

67% Support tax increases on Business      THEY HOLD FAST TO THEIR TAX CUTS

74% Feel they are paying more in property, sales and income taxes.       THEY PASSED THE HIGHEST TAX INCREASE IN HISTORY 

68% Support same sex unions         THEY FOUGHT IT TO THE END

62% Support Medicaid expansion            THEY REFUSE AND WON'T DEBATE  IT

60% Support no guns on campus          THEY FORCED IT THROUGH

75% Support repeal of the Corporate tax breaks           THEY REFUSED. 

18% Approval rating for the Governor            WORST IN THE NATION

Who are they actually working for?

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 10 months ago

You are right on everything but the guns. That is a constitutional right in both federal and state constitutions.

No one is forcing anyone to carry a gun. The only real change from past law is just that carrying a gun is no longer illegal. All the law's concerning the use of a weapon are still in full force.

Jason Johnson 1 year, 10 months ago

For all you people complaining about this, (I'm in favor for it), you can always vote for new people at the polls. Or if you think the same people will be voted in, how about try to get someone in opposition who is so awesome as to pull people's attention away from the incumbents?

If you think any of their practices are breaking any laws (or if they are breaking laws), you can try impeaching.

Steve King 1 year, 10 months ago

Guns on school campuses. Really, really stupid idea.

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 10 months ago

Steve do you realize you are acting like koback? You both want to criminalize and limit the exercise of constitutional rights.

Phillip Chappuie 1 year, 10 months ago

Sen. Forrest Knox, R-Altoona, said banning guns on campus would actually make students less safe.

Having Forrest Knox as a State Senator makes all of Kansas less safe. Anyone who thinks some college kid with a bit of training is going to be effective in a shoot out with another human being is out of their mind. Young ladies protecting themselves? Knox is an idiot.

Paula Roegge 1 year, 10 months ago

Those 'young girls' that need protecting aren't going to be the ones carrying the guns.

Teri Griffin-Guntert 1 year, 10 months ago

You mean all those 'young girls' that were in my women's defensive pistol courses?

Lawrence Freeman 1 year, 10 months ago

If the schools do get shut down it will be interesting to see how rural Kansas votes in the next election. My guess is the school district is the largest employer in almost every small town. How many teachers will be forced to bolt?

Of course forcing districts to consolidate is a republican goal. They probably consider this a perfect opportunity and as a bonus they get to blame the "activist" courts!

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